In the wonderful anthology _Tomorrow's Children_ is a story titled
"The Wayward Cravat". It tells of a slightly off-normal boy who
seems to sometimes move about in 4-space, causing the knot in his
cravat to reverse its chirality.

The ISFDB listing for this story is:
<http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?98038>

However, it appears to be incomplete. To the best of my knowledge,
unlike Knight's Orbit series, no new works were commissioned for
this anthology. This is supported by the fact that its Acknowledgements
page shows its initial publication as 1958 in what seems to be a
collection of Friedberg's works, also titled _The Wayward Cravat.[1]

Searching on both ISFDB and Duck-Duck-Go only give information about
the short story. I can find no references to this putative collection.
Does anybody have any information on it? I'd like to update the ISFDB
if possible.

[1] Shoutout to Don, who just pointed out how confusing this can be.
--
Michael F. Stemper
A preposition is something you should never end a sentence with.

In article <st6h6t$2jn$1@dont-email.me>,
Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>In the wonderful anthology _Tomorrow's Children_ is a story titled
>"The Wayward Cravat". It tells of a slightly off-normal boy who
>seems to sometimes move about in 4-space, causing the knot in his
>cravat to reverse its chirality.
>
>The ISFDB listing for this story is:
><http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?98038>
>
>However, it appears to be incomplete. To the best of my knowledge,
>unlike Knight's Orbit series, no new works were commissioned for
>this anthology. This is supported by the fact that its Acknowledgements
>page shows its initial publication as 1958 in what seems to be a
>collection of Friedberg's works, also titled _The Wayward Cravat.[1]
>
>Searching on both ISFDB and Duck-Duck-Go only give information about
>the short story. I can find no references to this putative collection.
>Does anybody have any information on it? I'd like to update the ISFDB
>if possible.
>
>
>[1] Shoutout to Don, who just pointed out how confusing this can be.

I believe "The Wayward Cravat" was also included in 1959's Short Story 2,
edited by Arno Karlen. The anthology is not well documented but it looks
like it was all original work. If so, that would have been the story's
first appearance.

(Her career as a playwright started in the 1930s but that falls outside the
ISFDB's focus)

It has been a half-century since I read her The Revolving Boy. I wonder
what, if any, relation the novel had to "The Wayward Cravat"?
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In article <st6h6t$2jn$1@dont-email.me>,
Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>In the wonderful anthology _Tomorrow's Children_ is a story titled
>"The Wayward Cravat". It tells of a slightly off-normal boy who
>seems to sometimes move about in 4-space, causing the knot in his
>cravat to reverse its chirality.
>
>The ISFDB listing for this story is:
><http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?98038>
>
>However, it appears to be incomplete. To the best of my knowledge,
>unlike Knight's Orbit series, no new works were commissioned for
>this anthology. This is supported by the fact that its Acknowledgements
>page shows its initial publication as 1958 in what seems to be a
>collection of Friedberg's works, also titled _The Wayward Cravat.[1]
>
>Searching on both ISFDB and Duck-Duck-Go only give information about
>the short story. I can find no references to this putative collection.
>Does anybody have any information on it? I'd like to update the ISFDB
>if possible.

Hm. I have on a shelf in the fiction room an anthology with the
title _Tomorrow's Children_. I haven't opened it in years (decades?),
so I can only say "I don't remember that story, but that doesn't
prove it isn't there." I can't go looking for it, because cats.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On 30/01/2022 11.36, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <st6h6t$2jn$1@dont-email.me>,
> Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In the wonderful anthology _Tomorrow's Children_ is a story titled
>> "The Wayward Cravat". It tells of a slightly off-normal boy who
>> seems to sometimes move about in 4-space, causing the knot in his
>> cravat to reverse its chirality.
>>
>> The ISFDB listing for this story is:
>> <http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?98038>
>>
>> However, it appears to be incomplete. To the best of my knowledge,
>> unlike Knight's Orbit series, no new works were commissioned for
>> this anthology. This is supported by the fact that its Acknowledgements
>> page shows its initial publication as 1958 in what seems to be a
>> collection of Friedberg's works, also titled _The Wayward Cravat.[1]
>>
>> Searching on both ISFDB and Duck-Duck-Go only give information about
>> the short story. I can find no references to this putative collection.
>> Does anybody have any information on it? I'd like to update the ISFDB
>> if possible.
>
> Hm. I have on a shelf in the fiction room an anthology with the
> title _Tomorrow's Children_. I haven't opened it in years (decades?),
> so I can only say "I don't remember that story, but that doesn't
> prove it isn't there."

It is there. Really.

--
Michael F. Stemper
Why doesn't anybody care about apathy?

On 30/01/2022 11.40, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <st6h6t$2jn$1@dont-email.me>,
> Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In the wonderful anthology _Tomorrow's Children_ is a story titled
>> "The Wayward Cravat". It tells of a slightly off-normal boy who
>> seems to sometimes move about in 4-space, causing the knot in his
>> cravat to reverse its chirality.
>>
>> The ISFDB listing for this story is:
>> <http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?98038>
>>
>> However, it appears to be incomplete. To the best of my knowledge,
>> unlike Knight's Orbit series, no new works were commissioned for
>> this anthology. This is supported by the fact that its Acknowledgements
>> page shows its initial publication as 1958 in what seems to be a
>> collection of Friedberg's works, also titled _The Wayward Cravat_.[1]
>>
>> Searching on both ISFDB and Duck-Duck-Go only give information about
>> the short story. I can find no references to this putative collection.
>> Does anybody have any information on it? I'd like to update the ISFDB
>> if possible.
>>
>> [1] Shoutout to Don, who just pointed out how confusing this can be.
>
> I believe "The Wayward Cravat" was also included in 1959's Short Story 2,
> edited by Arno Karlen. The anthology is not well documented but it looks
> like it was all original work. If so, that would have been the story's
> first appearance.

Ah, I misunderstood the text "Short Story 2" on the Acknowledgements page
of _Tomorrow's Children_, then. And you're right about "not well documented",
as Arno Karlen has no entry in the ISFDB. (If the Friedberg was the only
SFnal work in _Short Story 2_, that is probably correct.)

--
Michael F. Stemper
Why doesn't anybody care about apathy?

On 30/01/2022 10.10, Don wrote:

> You can also add my vote to "Convergent Series" as the canonical
> mathematical short story by Niven. Although neither "Convergent Series"
> nor "All The Myriad Ways" was memorable to me. It took a re-read of both
> to refresh my memory of either.
> It creates confusion when a collection and a short story share the
> same title under a given author. In the end, it turns out
> "All The Myriad Ways" is /not/ included in the big list.

I really don't think that it should be. "Many Worlds" isn't math, it's
physics.

--
Michael F. Stemper
Why doesn't anybody care about apathy?

In article <st6jfk$nlc$1@dont-email.me>,
Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 30/01/2022 11.40, James Nicoll wrote:
>> In article <st6h6t$2jn$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> In the wonderful anthology _Tomorrow's Children_ is a story titled
>>> "The Wayward Cravat". It tells of a slightly off-normal boy who
>>> seems to sometimes move about in 4-space, causing the knot in his
>>> cravat to reverse its chirality.
>>>
>>> The ISFDB listing for this story is:
>>> <http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?98038>
>>>
>>> However, it appears to be incomplete. To the best of my knowledge,
>>> unlike Knight's Orbit series, no new works were commissioned for
>>> this anthology. This is supported by the fact that its Acknowledgements
>>> page shows its initial publication as 1958 in what seems to be a
>>> collection of Friedberg's works, also titled _The Wayward Cravat_.[1]
>>>
>>> Searching on both ISFDB and Duck-Duck-Go only give information about
>>> the short story. I can find no references to this putative collection.
>>> Does anybody have any information on it? I'd like to update the ISFDB
>>> if possible.
>>>
>>> [1] Shoutout to Don, who just pointed out how confusing this can be.
>>
>> I believe "The Wayward Cravat" was also included in 1959's Short Story 2,
>> edited by Arno Karlen. The anthology is not well documented but it looks
>> like it was all original work. If so, that would have been the story's
>> first appearance.
>
>Ah, I misunderstood the text "Short Story 2" on the Acknowledgements page
>of _Tomorrow's Children_, then. And you're right about "not well documented",
>as Arno Karlen has no entry in the ISFDB. (If the Friedberg was the only
>SFnal work in _Short Story 2_, that is probably correct.)

I think Freidberg has a number of stories in that anthology. Wait, I
wonder if it is on LibraryThing or Goodreads? Or Amazon? Eh, not usefully
except that Amazon says it was 331 pages long.

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In article <st6mr7$d8n$1@reader1.panix.com>,
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <st6jfk$nlc$1@dont-email.me>,
>Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On 30/01/2022 11.40, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> In article <st6h6t$2jn$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> In the wonderful anthology _Tomorrow's Children_ is a story titled
>>>> "The Wayward Cravat". It tells of a slightly off-normal boy who
>>>> seems to sometimes move about in 4-space, causing the knot in his
>>>> cravat to reverse its chirality.
>>>>
>>>> The ISFDB listing for this story is:
>>>> <http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?98038>
>>>>
>>>> However, it appears to be incomplete. To the best of my knowledge,
>>>> unlike Knight's Orbit series, no new works were commissioned for
>>>> this anthology. This is supported by the fact that its Acknowledgements
>>>> page shows its initial publication as 1958 in what seems to be a
>>>> collection of Friedberg's works, also titled _The Wayward Cravat_.[1]
>>>>
>>>> Searching on both ISFDB and Duck-Duck-Go only give information about
>>>> the short story. I can find no references to this putative collection.
>>>> Does anybody have any information on it? I'd like to update the ISFDB
>>>> if possible.
>>>>
>>>> [1] Shoutout to Don, who just pointed out how confusing this can be.
>>>
>>> I believe "The Wayward Cravat" was also included in 1959's Short Story 2,
>>> edited by Arno Karlen. The anthology is not well documented but it looks
>>> like it was all original work. If so, that would have been the story's
>>> first appearance.
>>
>>Ah, I misunderstood the text "Short Story 2" on the Acknowledgements page
>>of _Tomorrow's Children_, then. And you're right about "not well documented",
>>as Arno Karlen has no entry in the ISFDB. (If the Friedberg was the only
>>SFnal work in _Short Story 2_, that is probably correct.)
>
>I think Freidberg has a number of stories in that anthology. Wait, I
>wonder if it is on LibraryThing or Goodreads? Or Amazon? Eh, not usefully
>except that Amazon says it was 331 pages long.

Found the table of contents:

ARNO KARLEN
The Clown
Serantha and the Boys
After
Princess Netva, Anton Yakov, and the Dancing Bear

SALLY WEBER
The River Summer
You Never Know With Mama
Blind Date
The Alabaster City
A Necessary End

MICHAEL RUMAKER
Exit 3
The Pipe
The Truck
The Desert

GERTRUDE FREIDBERG
The Wayward Cravat
Where Moth and Rust
A Nested Toy
The Vanishing Wallet
"Whose Speed? Whose Direction?"

In article <st6j5r$k7d$1@dont-email.me>,
Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 30/01/2022 11.36, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <st6h6t$2jn$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> In the wonderful anthology _Tomorrow's Children_ is a story titled
>>> "The Wayward Cravat". It tells of a slightly off-normal boy who
>>> seems to sometimes move about in 4-space, causing the knot in his
>>> cravat to reverse its chirality.
>>>
>>> The ISFDB listing for this story is:
>>> <http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?98038>
>>>
>>> However, it appears to be incomplete. To the best of my knowledge,
>>> unlike Knight's Orbit series, no new works were commissioned for
>>> this anthology. This is supported by the fact that its Acknowledgements
>>> page shows its initial publication as 1958 in what seems to be a
>>> collection of Friedberg's works, also titled _The Wayward Cravat.[1]
>>>
>>> Searching on both ISFDB and Duck-Duck-Go only give information about
>>> the short story. I can find no references to this putative collection.
>>> Does anybody have any information on it? I'd like to update the ISFDB
>>> if possible.
>>
>> Hm. I have on a shelf in the fiction room an anthology with the
>> title _Tomorrow's Children_. I haven't opened it in years (decades?),
>> so I can only say "I don't remember that story, but that doesn't
>> prove it isn't there."
>
>It is there. Really.
>

Okay, thanks.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On 30/01/2022 13.03, jdnicoll@panix.com wrote:
> In article <st6mr7$d8n$1@reader1.panix.com>,
> James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:

>>> On 30/01/2022 11.40, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>> In article <st6h6t$2jn$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> In the wonderful anthology _Tomorrow's Children_ is a story titled
>>>>> "The Wayward Cravat". It tells of a slightly off-normal boy who
>>>>> seems to sometimes move about in 4-space, causing the knot in his
>>>>> cravat to reverse its chirality.
>>>>>
>>>>> The ISFDB listing for this story is:
>>>>> <http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?98038>

>>>> I believe "The Wayward Cravat" was also included in 1959's Short Story 2,
>>>> edited by Arno Karlen. The anthology is not well documented but it looks
>>>> like it was all original work. If so, that would have been the story's
>>>> first appearance.

>> I think Freidberg has a number of stories in that anthology. Wait, I
>> wonder if it is on LibraryThing or Goodreads? Or Amazon? Eh, not usefully
>> except that Amazon says it was 331 pages long.
>
> Found the table of contents:
>
> ARNO KARLEN
> The Clown

> MICHAEL RUMAKER
> Exit 3

> GERTRUDE FREIDBERG
> The Wayward Cravat
> Where Moth and Rust

Maybe this is why the ISFDB doesn't show the first publication:
it was in a non-SF anthology. Is anybody here who knows the
relevant policy? Is there any way to show this anthology as
the first publication without creating an entry for it?

--
Michael F. Stemper
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.

On 1/31/2022 3:06 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 17:36:38 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
> Heydt) wrote:
>
>> Hm. I have on a shelf in the fiction room an anthology with the
>> title _Tomorrow's Children_. I haven't opened it in years (decades?),
>> so I can only say "I don't remember that story, but that doesn't
>> prove it isn't there." I can't go looking for it, because cats.
>
> Because cats what? I often have to wait to perk my coffee in the
> morning because Jill the cat insists on being fed first....and with
> the dog and the cat in our household there's only one F-bomb and
> that's F O O D

Because the cats think that the storage room with all of her sf/f books
is the undiscovered country and try to slip in there with her. And then
get stuck in there and cry piteously. So, Dorothy cannot get to her
sf/f books now and verify anything.

Lynn

In article <5njgvg55f3jkntvb4t15m3crroeoigtb2i@4ax.com>,
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 17:36:38 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>Heydt) wrote:
>
>>Hm. I have on a shelf in the fiction room an anthology with the
>>title _Tomorrow's Children_. I haven't opened it in years (decades?),
>>so I can only say "I don't remember that story, but that doesn't
>>prove it isn't there." I can't go looking for it, because cats.
>
>Because cats what? I often have to wait to perk my coffee in the
>morning because Jill the cat insists on being fed first....and with
>the dog and the cat in our household there's only one F-bomb and
>that's F O O D

Sorry; I thought everyone knew (I've explained it several times):
most of my books are shelved in what the people who built this
apartment thought would be bedrooms. Instead, our bed is in the
living room, where the computers are. And even before I became
too weak to get out of bed by myself, I would have to be
super-careful in going into either the brown room (fiction) or
the yellow room (nonfiction), because the cats would get in, and
then we'd have the dickens of a time getting them out again.

I don't think I've mentioned this either: I was recently
diagnosed with ALS; that's why I'm weak. And I have no idea how
long I've got: could be ten years, could be ten months. I'm
taking it one day at a time.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

In article <st9kii$kl$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 1/31/2022 3:06 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 17:36:38 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>> Heydt) wrote:
>>
>>> Hm. I have on a shelf in the fiction room an anthology with the
>>> title _Tomorrow's Children_. I haven't opened it in years (decades?),
>>> so I can only say "I don't remember that story, but that doesn't
>>> prove it isn't there." I can't go looking for it, because cats.
>>
>> Because cats what? I often have to wait to perk my coffee in the
>> morning because Jill the cat insists on being fed first....and with
>> the dog and the cat in our household there's only one F-bomb and
>> that's F O O D
>
>Because the cats think that the storage room with all of her sf/f books
>is the undiscovered country and try to slip in there with her. And then
>get stuck in there and cry piteously.

Yeah; except they don't get stuck and cry; they find hiding
places and defy us to find them and get them out.

> So, Dorothy cannot get to her
>sf/f books now and verify anything.

Just so.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On 1/31/2022 4:50 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <5njgvg55f3jkntvb4t15m3crroeoigtb2i@4ax.com>,
> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 17:36:38 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>> Heydt) wrote:
>>
>>> Hm. I have on a shelf in the fiction room an anthology with the
>>> title _Tomorrow's Children_. I haven't opened it in years (decades?),
>>> so I can only say "I don't remember that story, but that doesn't
>>> prove it isn't there." I can't go looking for it, because cats.
>>
>> Because cats what? I often have to wait to perk my coffee in the
>> morning because Jill the cat insists on being fed first....and with
>> the dog and the cat in our household there's only one F-bomb and
>> that's F O O D
>
> Sorry; I thought everyone knew (I've explained it several times):
> most of my books are shelved in what the people who built this
> apartment thought would be bedrooms. Instead, our bed is in the
> living room, where the computers are. And even before I became
> too weak to get out of bed by myself, I would have to be
> super-careful in going into either the brown room (fiction) or
> the yellow room (nonfiction), because the cats would get in, and
> then we'd have the dickens of a time getting them out again.
>
> I don't think I've mentioned this either: I was recently
> diagnosed with ALS; that's why I'm weak. And I have no idea how
> long I've got: could be ten years, could be ten months. I'm
> taking it one day at a time.

I am so sorry about the ALS diagnosis. That sucks, really sucks. And I
assume that there is no treatment still.

Lynn

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 6:05:40 PM UTC-5, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <st9kii$kl$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On 1/31/2022 3:06 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> >> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 17:36:38 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
> >> Heydt) wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hm. I have on a shelf in the fiction room an anthology with the
> >>> title _Tomorrow's Children_. I haven't opened it in years (decades?),
> >>> so I can only say "I don't remember that story, but that doesn't
> >>> prove it isn't there." I can't go looking for it, because cats.
> >>
> >> Because cats what? I often have to wait to perk my coffee in the
> >> morning because Jill the cat insists on being fed first....and with
> >> the dog and the cat in our household there's only one F-bomb and
> >> that's F O O D
> >
> >Because the cats think that the storage room with all of her sf/f books
> >is the undiscovered country and try to slip in there with her. And then
> >get stuck in there and cry piteously.
> Yeah; except they don't get stuck and cry; they find hiding
> places and defy us to find them and get them out.
> > So, Dorothy cannot get to her
> >sf/f books now and verify anything.
> Just so.

If they aren't getting stuck, what is the Bad Thing which would
occur if you just opened the door and let them explore?

Pt

On Monday, 31 January 2022 at 23:24:45 UTC, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 6:05:40 PM UTC-5, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> > In article <st9kii$kl$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >On 1/31/2022 3:06 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 17:36:38 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
> > >> Heydt) wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hm. I have on a shelf in the fiction room an anthology with the
> > >>> title _Tomorrow's Children_. I haven't opened it in years (decades?),
> > >>> so I can only say "I don't remember that story, but that doesn't
> > >>> prove it isn't there." I can't go looking for it, because cats.
> > >>
> > >> Because cats what? I often have to wait to perk my coffee in the
> > >> morning because Jill the cat insists on being fed first....and with
> > >> the dog and the cat in our household there's only one F-bomb and
> > >> that's F O O D
> > >
> > >Because the cats think that the storage room with all of her sf/f books
> > >is the undiscovered country and try to slip in there with her. And then
> > >get stuck in there and cry piteously.
> > Yeah; except they don't get stuck and cry; they find hiding
> > places and defy us to find them and get them out.
> > > So, Dorothy cannot get to her
> > >sf/f books now and verify anything.
> > Just so.
> If they aren't getting stuck, what is the Bad Thing which would
> occur if you just opened the door and let them explore?

It does not involve a cat-litter tray.

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:r6LJLt.191x@kithrup.com:

> In article <st9kii$kl$1@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On 1/31/2022 3:06 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 17:36:38 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy
>>> J Heydt) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hm. I have on a shelf in the fiction room an anthology with
>>>> the title _Tomorrow's Children_. I haven't opened it in
>>>> years (decades?), so I can only say "I don't remember that
>>>> story, but that doesn't prove it isn't there." I can't go
>>>> looking for it, because cats.
>>>
>>> Because cats what? I often have to wait to perk my coffee in
>>> the morning because Jill the cat insists on being fed
>>> first....and with the dog and the cat in our household there's
>>> only one F-bomb and that's F O O D
>>
>>Because the cats think that the storage room with all of her
>>sf/f books is the undiscovered country and try to slip in there
>>with her. And then get stuck in there and cry piteously.
>
> Yeah; except they don't get stuck and cry; they find hiding
> places and defy us to find them and get them out.

When they get hungry enough, they'll come out. With most cats, it
doesn't take that long if you open the gushy food within earshot.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

In article <e764b8c8-12be-4543-a639-e3a0fd495285n@googlegroups.com>,
pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 6:05:40 PM UTC-5, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <st9kii$kl$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On 1/31/2022 3:06 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 17:36:38 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>> >> Heydt) wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hm. I have on a shelf in the fiction room an anthology with the
>> >>> title _Tomorrow's Children_. I haven't opened it in years (decades?),
>> >>> so I can only say "I don't remember that story, but that doesn't
>> >>> prove it isn't there." I can't go looking for it, because cats.
>> >>
>> >> Because cats what? I often have to wait to perk my coffee in the
>> >> morning because Jill the cat insists on being fed first....and with
>> >> the dog and the cat in our household there's only one F-bomb and
>> >> that's F O O D
>> >
>> >Because the cats think that the storage room with all of her sf/f books
>> >is the undiscovered country and try to slip in there with her. And then
>> >get stuck in there and cry piteously.
>> Yeah; except they don't get stuck and cry; they find hiding
>> places and defy us to find them and get them out.
>> > So, Dorothy cannot get to her
>> >sf/f books now and verify anything.
>> Just so.
>
>If they aren't getting stuck, what is the Bad Thing which would
>occur if you just opened the door and let them explore?

Although they have a perfectly good scratching post in the
bathroom, they do not scorn other scratchable things. Such as
the mattress of our bed. I don't want them going after the
spines of all those books.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

In article <dmqgvg9adt4cdaj01f2u8k8ek0bodpcn5n@4ax.com>,
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 22:50:14 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>Heydt) wrote:
>
>>I don't think I've mentioned this either: I was recently
>>diagnosed with ALS; that's why I'm weak. And I have no idea how
>>long I've got: could be ten years, could be ten months. I'm
>>taking it one day at a time.
>
>Am very sorry to hear that part of your story - it must have been told
>in one of the message threads I skipped over.

No, this is the first time I've mentioned it on this group,
actually.

>In any case be as
>healthy as you can under the circumstances - sounds like you're doing
>all you can do at the moment.

I'm doing that. And my husband of fifty years is being a tower
of strength: strength being what he needs to pick me up and put
me on the junior-sized office chair and wheel me into the
bathroom. We do have a proper wheelchair, two of them in fact,
but neither one will fit between the bed and the wall with me in
it.

We hope to get moved out of Vallejo into a larger place once our
grandson graduates from middle school this summer.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
>
>(I'm amazed I'm able to be so supportive right now - have just come
>from checking over my car which is parked on the street where a hit
>and run driver or cyclist clipped my driver rear view mirror and
>carefully left it in the gutter next to the passenger dioor - but
>didn't leave a note. This is likely going to be a $200 repair if I'm
>lucky...)

In article <nhqgvg9g94plrrqfnm3oqra9r8a90e2lb1@4ax.com>,
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 15:33:05 -0600, Lynn McGuire
><lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Because cats what? I often have to wait to perk my coffee in the
>>> morning because Jill the cat insists on being fed first....and with
>>> the dog and the cat in our household there's only one F-bomb and
>>> that's F O O D
>>
>>Because the cats think that the storage room with all of her sf/f books
>>is the undiscovered country and try to slip in there with her. And then
>>get stuck in there and cry piteously. So, Dorothy cannot get to her
>>sf/f books now and verify anything.
>
>Hmmm - this room has my computer desk at one end and bookshelf after
>bookshelf at the other (plus a refrigerator and barely used piano).
>Our cat's only interest in the room is her litter box next to the
>piano.....I get into very big trouble with my better half if I ever
>close the door to this room since that cuts off puss' access to her
>box...

Oh, yeah, you don't want that to happen. I've already mentioned
the tendency of ours to scratch on any inappropriate vertical
surface.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

In article <st9qv3$mvr$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 1/31/2022 4:50 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <5njgvg55f3jkntvb4t15m3crroeoigtb2i@4ax.com>,
>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 17:36:38 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>>> Heydt) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hm. I have on a shelf in the fiction room an anthology with the
>>>> title _Tomorrow's Children_. I haven't opened it in years (decades?),
>>>> so I can only say "I don't remember that story, but that doesn't
>>>> prove it isn't there." I can't go looking for it, because cats.
>>>
>>> Because cats what? I often have to wait to perk my coffee in the
>>> morning because Jill the cat insists on being fed first....and with
>>> the dog and the cat in our household there's only one F-bomb and
>>> that's F O O D
>>
>> Sorry; I thought everyone knew (I've explained it several times):
>> most of my books are shelved in what the people who built this
>> apartment thought would be bedrooms. Instead, our bed is in the
>> living room, where the computers are. And even before I became
>> too weak to get out of bed by myself, I would have to be
>> super-careful in going into either the brown room (fiction) or
>> the yellow room (nonfiction), because the cats would get in, and
>> then we'd have the dickens of a time getting them out again.
>>
>> I don't think I've mentioned this either: I was recently
>> diagnosed with ALS; that's why I'm weak. And I have no idea how
>> long I've got: could be ten years, could be ten months. I'm
>> taking it one day at a time.
>
>I am so sorry about the ALS diagnosis. That sucks, really sucks. And I
>assume that there is no treatment still.

There's definitely no *cure*. One of my neurologists wants to
put me on something that will keep me breathing "three or four
months" longer than I otherwise would. Nobody is in a position
to estimate how long that would be.

And a month's worse of the drug costs I don't know how much
before Medicare and Blue Cross pay their share, but the copay is
something like $250.

Oh well, as a housemate of mine used to say, "The Lord is my
shepherd, I should worry."

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

In article <gasgvgpukrjqtgc4f0ivvqhv6i9v3sfsfo@4ax.com>,
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 22:50:14 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>Heydt) wrote:
>
>>In article <5njgvg55f3jkntvb4t15m3crroeoigtb2i@4ax.com>,
>>The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 17:36:38 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>>>Heydt) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hm. I have on a shelf in the fiction room an anthology with the
>>>>title _Tomorrow's Children_. I haven't opened it in years (decades?),
>>>>so I can only say "I don't remember that story, but that doesn't
>>>>prove it isn't there." I can't go looking for it, because cats.
>>>
>>>Because cats what? I often have to wait to perk my coffee in the
>>>morning because Jill the cat insists on being fed first....and with
>>>the dog and the cat in our household there's only one F-bomb and
>>>that's F O O D
>>
>>Sorry; I thought everyone knew (I've explained it several times):
>>most of my books are shelved in what the people who built this
>>apartment thought would be bedrooms. Instead, our bed is in the
>>living room, where the computers are. And even before I became
>>too weak to get out of bed by myself, I would have to be
>>super-careful in going into either the brown room (fiction) or
>>the yellow room (nonfiction), because the cats would get in, and
>>then we'd have the dickens of a time getting them out again.
>>
>>I don't think I've mentioned this either: I was recently
>>diagnosed with ALS; that's why I'm weak. And I have no idea how
>>long I've got: could be ten years, could be ten months. I'm
>>taking it one day at a time.
>
>Sorry to hear about the ALS.

Thanks.
>
>With regard to the cats, do you have an electric can opener?
>Regardless of their merits for the purpose of opening cans, I have
>found that they make remarkably efficacious cat-callers.

They don't eat canned food. They ate canned kitten food when
they were kittens, but they won't touch it now. They eat kibble
and love it.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

In article <XnsAE30A60B3FB00taustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>news:r6LJLt.191x@kithrup.com:
>
>> In article <st9kii$kl$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On 1/31/2022 3:06 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 17:36:38 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy
>>>> J Heydt) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hm. I have on a shelf in the fiction room an anthology with
>>>>> the title _Tomorrow's Children_. I haven't opened it in
>>>>> years (decades?), so I can only say "I don't remember that
>>>>> story, but that doesn't prove it isn't there." I can't go
>>>>> looking for it, because cats.
>>>>
>>>> Because cats what? I often have to wait to perk my coffee in
>>>> the morning because Jill the cat insists on being fed
>>>> first....and with the dog and the cat in our household there's
>>>> only one F-bomb and that's F O O D
>>>
>>>Because the cats think that the storage room with all of her
>>>sf/f books is the undiscovered country and try to slip in there
>>>with her. And then get stuck in there and cry piteously.
>>
>> Yeah; except they don't get stuck and cry; they find hiding
>> places and defy us to find them and get them out.
>
>When they get hungry enough, they'll come out. With most cats, it
>doesn't take that long if you open the gushy food within earshot.

Vide supra: they don't eat gushy food. Also, they like to
scratch vertical surfaces.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

In article <ga2hvgholluvdjld40avfjlufqsrab5l2d@4ax.com>,
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 00:23:24 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
>wrote:
>
>>>Hmmm - this room has my computer desk at one end and bookshelf after
>>>bookshelf at the other (plus a refrigerator and barely used piano).
>>>Our cat's only interest in the room is her litter box next to the
>>>piano.....I get into very big trouble with my better half if I ever
>>>close the door to this room since that cuts off puss' access to her
>>>box...
>>
>>Oh, yeah, you don't want that to happen. I've already mentioned
>>the tendency of ours to scratch on any inappropriate vertical
>>surface.
>
>We have a 5' high tower (with a cat sized tube and two higher
>platforms all nicely carpetted for her. Naturally she has scratched
>the hell of the vertical sections.
>
>This is one spoiled kitty we are talking about here and she's come
>along way from when she was apprehended by the animal welfare people -
>someone had put mama cat and her kits sealed in a cardboard box and
>left by the side of a highway 300 miles north of us. Mama cat had
>clawed a hole in the side of the box and gotten all but one of her
>kittens to the safety of the roadside ditch when they were
>apprehended. Ours was the last of the litter to be adopted which isn't
>surprising given she likes to sleep through the day which of course is
>when most people who come to the shelter come and active playful
>kittens tend to find 'forever homes' before kittens who are sleeping
>when people come. I remember scratching her under the chin to which
>she gave a pitiful mew and the deal was done. 8 years later here we
>are!

Awwwwwwwww. You are good cat parents.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

In article <cl2hvgt66tkd0dgj49m0sd7qf5o775sr75@4ax.com>,
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 00:31:07 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
>wrote:
>
>>We hope to get moved out of Vallejo into a larger place once our
>>grandson graduates from middle school this summer.
>
>At least you've got grandkids - our three are taking their time (when
>my grandfather was the age I am now I was a high school senior) though
>our daughter in law is due with her first in May.

Tell her I hope she delivers easily and *on time.* My son was
three weeks late and when he finally made his appearance, he
weighed 11 pounds 1 ounce, and the nurse said, "It's a boy!" and
the doctor said "No it's not, it's a human moose!"

He's now 47 and has two kids of his own.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
>
>The world is a very different place than 50 years ago...