On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 7:23:40 PM UTC-6, Default User wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 8:30:10 AM UTC-5, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Ronald Reagan was considered for the part of Rick. I recall one story in
> > which his rejection subconsciously drove him to seek residence in
> > another 'Casa Blanca'; the White House.

> That seems to be firmly in the urban legend category. One of many debunkings:
>
> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ronald-reagan-casablanca/

There _was_ a real press release from Warner Brothers which mentioned him
as being considered for the part. So they _claimed_ he was their choice, and
yet it turns out they weren't telling the truth, because Ronald Reagan was
overseas, fighting in World War II, and therefore not available - and the movie
was being made by an independent producer, meaning the studio didn't have
input into casting.

Interesting. It's understandable people might have been fooled.

However, that doesn't mean it's an urban legend that someone wrote an
alternate-history story based on the legend.

John Savard

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 10:32:44 AM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 7:23:40 PM UTC-6, Default User wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 8:30:10 AM UTC-5, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Ronald Reagan was considered for the part of Rick. I recall one story in
> > > which his rejection subconsciously drove him to seek residence in
> > > another 'Casa Blanca'; the White House.
>
> > That seems to be firmly in the urban legend category. One of many debunkings:
> >
> > https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ronald-reagan-casablanca/
> There _was_ a real press release from Warner Brothers which mentioned him
> as being considered for the part. So they _claimed_ he was their choice, and
> yet it turns out they weren't telling the truth, because Ronald Reagan was
> overseas, fighting in World War II, and therefore not available - and the movie
> was being made by an independent producer, meaning the studio didn't have
> input into casting.
>
> Interesting. It's understandable people might have been fooled.
>
> However, that doesn't mean it's an urban legend that someone wrote an
> alternate-history story based on the legend.

IIRC, the alt-history had RR getting the role of Rick, and never feeling the
need to enter politics.

I think this was published sometime in his frist term. The author clearly thought
this would be better world.

pt

On 13/04/2022 16.07, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <t37bcu$ghs$1@dont-email.me>,
> Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 12/04/2022 20.56, Lynn McGuire wrote:

>>> Dude, I was born in 1960.  18 years after Casablanca was released in
>> 1942.  In fact, I have never watched the movie all the way through.
>>
>> Your loss.
>
> Then there's the OT _The Children's Hour_ by Stirling & Pournelle.

As well as (at least) _The Asteroid Queen_ and _In the Hall of the
Mountain King_, by the usual suspects.

Which leads to something about which I've wondered about (but not too
seriously) for several years: Are there other similar pastiches in
the Man-Kzin Wars series? I've only read the first few books in that
series before I got turned off by it (esp the human woman being groomed
as a kzinrette).

If there are more of these Bogie pastiches, in which books are they to
be found? (I'd rather not have any more detail than that, so that I can
have the pleasure of discovery.)

--
Michael F. Stemper
Life's too important to take seriously.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 18:36:53 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 4/12/2022 6:03 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 1:37:43 PM UTC-6, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>
>>> Book number one of a three book young adult space opera series.
>>
>> As if "young adults" these days are going to remember Casablanca.
>>
>> John Savard
>
>I am sorry but I do not understand your comment.
>
>Lynn

I don't understand it either though no question I consider part of my
job as a parent (and my kids are now in the 30-35 age group) to expose
my kids to cultural icons they might not have heard of.

For instance shortly before the pandemic a local indie theater did a
double bill of Cabaret and the Great Dictator. I also introduced her
to Triumph of the Will. On the other hand she introduced ME to Birth
of a Nation (which I knew about but had never seen) and remember that
she told me of her shock when she realized who the heroes of that
piece were!

In article <t39s31$37s$1@dont-email.me>,
"Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 13/04/2022 16.07, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> > In article <t37bcu$ghs$1@dont-email.me>,
> > Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 12/04/2022 20.56, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>
> >>> Dude, I was born in 1960.  18 years after Casablanca was released in
> >> 1942.  In fact, I have never watched the movie all the way through.
> >>
> >> Your loss.
> >
> > Then there's the OT _The Children's Hour_ by Stirling & Pournelle.
>
> As well as (at least) _The Asteroid Queen_ and _In the Hall of the
> Mountain King_, by the usual suspects.
>
> Which leads to something about which I've wondered about (but not too
> seriously) for several years: Are there other similar pastiches in
> the Man-Kzin Wars series? I've only read the first few books in that
> series before I got turned off by it (esp the human woman being groomed
> as a kzinrette).
>
> If there are more of these Bogie pastiches, in which books are they to
> be found? (I'd rather not have any more detail than that, so that I can
> have the pleasure of discovery.)

The only other Stirling in the Man-Kzin Wars anthologies is "The Man Who
Would Be Kzin", co-written with Greg Bear, in _Man-Kzin Wars IV_ - I
have no idea if it is a Bogart pastiche (or any other movie). Jerry
Pournelle has no other entries in the _Man-Kzin Wars series.

By the way, the novella "The Children's Hour" in _Man-Kzin Wars II_ was
later expanded into a novel as _The Children's Hour_ (I can't remember
the differences off hand).

--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
—-----------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 10:48:35 PM UTC-6, Robert Woodward wrote:

> The only other Stirling in the Man-Kzin Wars anthologies is "The Man Who
> Would Be Kzin", co-written with Greg Bear, in _Man-Kzin Wars IV_ - I
> have no idea if it is a Bogart pastiche (or any other movie).

If it _was_, it wouldn't be a Humphrey Bogart movie. Try Sean Connery and
Michael Caine.

John Savard

On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 1:01:41 AM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 10:48:35 PM UTC-6, Robert Woodward wrote:
>
> > The only other Stirling in the Man-Kzin Wars anthologies is "The Man Who
> > Would Be Kzin", co-written with Greg Bear, in _Man-Kzin Wars IV_ - I
> > have no idea if it is a Bogart pastiche (or any other movie).
> If it _was_, it wouldn't be a Humphrey Bogart movie. Try Sean Connery and
> Michael Caine.

Since John didn't say, its 'The Man Who Would Be King', based on the
Kipling novella of the same name.

Caine and Connery in their prime. Great adventure yarn, set in the Hindu
Kush during the late British Empire. Totally recommend.

pt

On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 07:36:34 -0700 (PDT), "pete...@gmail.com"
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 1:01:41 AM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 10:48:35 PM UTC-6, Robert Woodward wrote:
>>
>> > The only other Stirling in the Man-Kzin Wars anthologies is "The Man Who
>> > Would Be Kzin", co-written with Greg Bear, in _Man-Kzin Wars IV_ - I
>> > have no idea if it is a Bogart pastiche (or any other movie).
>> If it _was_, it wouldn't be a Humphrey Bogart movie. Try Sean Connery and
>> Michael Caine.
>
>Since John didn't say, its 'The Man Who Would Be King', based on the
>Kipling novella of the same name.
>
>Caine and Connery in their prime. Great adventure yarn, set in the Hindu
>Kush during the late British Empire. Totally recommend.

ISTR reading somewhere that Huston had tried to get it off the ground
for decades, and his original casting choices were Bogart and Gable.

--
Jerry Brown

A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)

On 14/04/2022 23.48, Robert Woodward wrote:
> In article <t39s31$37s$1@dont-email.me>,
> "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Which leads to something about which I've wondered about (but not too
>> seriously) for several years: Are there other similar pastiches in
>> the Man-Kzin Wars series? I've only read the first few books in that
>> series before I got turned off by it (esp the human woman being groomed
>> as a kzinrette).
>>
>> If there are more of these Bogie pastiches, in which books are they to
>> be found? (I'd rather not have any more detail than that, so that I can
>> have the pleasure of discovery.)
>
> The only other Stirling in the Man-Kzin Wars anthologies is "The Man Who
> Would Be Kzin", co-written with Greg Bear, in _Man-Kzin Wars IV_ - I
> have no idea if it is a Bogart pastiche (or any other movie).

I read that a very long time ago and remember nothing of it. However, I
would guess that it's based on:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Would_Be_King#Films>

--
Michael F. Stemper
Galatians 3:28

On 23/04/22 02:32, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> On 14/04/2022 23.48, Robert Woodward wrote:
>> In article <t39s31$37s$1@dont-email.me>,
>>   "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Which leads to something about which I've wondered about (but not too
>>> seriously) for several years: Are there other similar pastiches in
>>> the Man-Kzin Wars series? I've only read the first few books in that
>>> series before I got turned off by it (esp the human woman being groomed
>>> as a kzinrette).
>>>
>>> If there are more of these Bogie pastiches, in which books are they to
>>> be found? (I'd rather not have any more detail than that, so that I can
>>> have the pleasure of discovery.)
>>
>> The only other Stirling in the Man-Kzin Wars anthologies is "The Man Who
>> Would Be Kzin", co-written with Greg Bear, in _Man-Kzin Wars IV_ - I
>> have no idea if it is a Bogart pastiche (or any other movie).
>
> I read that a very long time ago and remember nothing of it. However, I
> would guess that it's based on:
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Would_Be_King#Films>
>

_The Man Who Would Be King_ was originally a story by Rudyard Kipling of
British adventurers in Afghanistan. IIRC, Dorothy's favourite Kipling
was _Kim_ bit I preferred _The Man Who Would Be King_ and recommend it.
(It is quite short so a small investment of time.)

On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 1:56:48 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <jbo253...@mid.individual.net>,
> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
> >In article <f927d4ed-8b34-47a8...@googlegroups.com>,
> >pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 11:59:44 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 02:05:09 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
> >>> Heydt) wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >In article <12caddef-5850-4eee...@googlegroups.com>,
> >>> >Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> >>> >>On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 1:37:43 PM UTC-6, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> Book number one of a three book young adult space opera series.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>As if "young adults" these days are going to remember Casablanca.
> >>> >
> >>> >You never know.
> >>> Depends on whether they're into movies or not. It's #3 on the AFI top
> >>> 100, #5 on the IMDB top 100, and #8 on the Rottentomatoes top 100. So
> >>> anybody who professes to have a serious interest in film has likely
> >>> seen it.
> >>
> >>Thread drift time!
> >>
> >>Ronald Reagan was considered for the part of Rick. I recall one story in
> >>which his rejection subconsciously drove him to seek residence in
> >>another 'Casa Blanca'; the White House.
> >>
> >>The movie is based on a then-unproduced play, 'Everybody comes to Ricks',
> >>and 'As Time Goes By' goes back to a 1932 stage comedy 'Everybody's Welcome'.
> >>
> >>Most people have only heard the latter part of the lyrics. The song has a
> >>prolog, whichi (ObSF) references Einstein and the Theory of Relativity.
> >>
> >>This YT video includes it: https://youtu.be/KqkYyG4MpnI?t=60
> >>
> >>It's Jimmy Durante; I've been unable to find a more melodious version
> >>in a quick search.
> >>
> >>pt
> >
> >More thread drift for "anybody who professes to have a serious
> >interest in film".
> >
> >"Singing In The Rain" is back in theaters this week. As perfect in its
> >own way as Casa Blanca.
> Indeed. I can't get to theaters, but I have the DVD.
>
> Further drift: A work-related convention once sent me to Reno or
> Las Vegas or one of the other places that were built, as the
> Chancellor of UN Reno told us, "to get some of our silver back."
>
> We also saw a show featuring many chorus girls with their boobs
> showing, plus Donald O'Connor, fully dressed--just as well, for
> he had put on a lot of weight since the '50s; he did not attempt
> to dance, just told off-color jokes. I forget now why I didn't
> just get up and walk out.
> --

A live show? That sounds like his part in the film of "Ragtime." He
sings "I Could Love a Million Girls" with chorus girls "of all nations"
dancing around him.

I was in college in the mid-70s and "Casablanca" would get shown
in various venues: the uni film society series in the student union
ballroom; the campus movie theater which doubled as a first run house
at night and a lecture hall in the daytime; also the local repertory film
house, part of the Landmark chain. Woody Allen's play (1969) and
film (1972) "Play It Again, Sam" had brought the Bogart film to the
attention of younger folk.

Folks younger than I am may know the Simpsons references.

https://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/Casablanca

--
Kevin R

On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 07:01:46 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 1:56:48 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <jbo253...@mid.individual.net>,
>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>> >In article <f927d4ed-8b34-47a8...@googlegroups.com>,
>> >pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 11:59:44 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>> >>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 02:05:09 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>> >>> Heydt) wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >In article <12caddef-5850-4eee...@googlegroups.com>,
>> >>> >Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> >>> >>On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 1:37:43 PM UTC-6, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> Book number one of a three book young adult space opera series.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>As if "young adults" these days are going to remember Casablanca.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >You never know.
>> >>> Depends on whether they're into movies or not. It's #3 on the AFI top
>> >>> 100, #5 on the IMDB top 100, and #8 on the Rottentomatoes top 100. So
>> >>> anybody who professes to have a serious interest in film has likely
>> >>> seen it.
>> >>
>> >>Thread drift time!
>> >>
>> >>Ronald Reagan was considered for the part of Rick. I recall one story in
>> >>which his rejection subconsciously drove him to seek residence in
>> >>another 'Casa Blanca'; the White House.
>> >>
>> >>The movie is based on a then-unproduced play, 'Everybody comes to Ricks',
>> >>and 'As Time Goes By' goes back to a 1932 stage comedy 'Everybody's Welcome'.
>> >>
>> >>Most people have only heard the latter part of the lyrics. The song has a
>> >>prolog, whichi (ObSF) references Einstein and the Theory of Relativity.
>> >>
>> >>This YT video includes it: https://youtu.be/KqkYyG4MpnI?t=60
>> >>
>> >>It's Jimmy Durante; I've been unable to find a more melodious version
>> >>in a quick search.
>> >>
>> >>pt
>> >
>> >More thread drift for "anybody who professes to have a serious
>> >interest in film".
>> >
>> >"Singing In The Rain" is back in theaters this week. As perfect in its
>> >own way as Casa Blanca.
>> Indeed. I can't get to theaters, but I have the DVD.
>>
>> Further drift: A work-related convention once sent me to Reno or
>> Las Vegas or one of the other places that were built, as the
>> Chancellor of UN Reno told us, "to get some of our silver back."
>>
>> We also saw a show featuring many chorus girls with their boobs
>> showing, plus Donald O'Connor, fully dressed--just as well, for
>> he had put on a lot of weight since the '50s; he did not attempt
>> to dance, just told off-color jokes. I forget now why I didn't
>> just get up and walk out.
>> --
>
>A live show? That sounds like his part in the film of "Ragtime." He
>sings "I Could Love a Million Girls" with chorus girls "of all nations"
>dancing around him.

Donald O'Connor did play "Evelyn's dance instructor" in the film, but
I don't remember that scene.

Are you certain it wasn't in ... some other film? Or a TV series? He
was in a /lot/ of TV series.

>I was in college in the mid-70s and "Casablanca" would get shown
>in various venues: the uni film society series in the student union
>ballroom; the campus movie theater which doubled as a first run house
>at night and a lecture hall in the daytime; also the local repertory film
>house, part of the Landmark chain. Woody Allen's play (1969) and
>film (1972) "Play It Again, Sam" had brought the Bogart film to the
>attention of younger folk.
>
>Folks younger than I am may know the Simpsons references.
>
>https://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/Casablanca
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

In article <t3vsj2$74c$1@dont-email.me>, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>_The Man Who Would Be King_ was originally a story by Rudyard Kipling of
>British adventurers in Afghanistan. IIRC, Dorothy's favourite Kipling
>was _Kim_

And the _Just So Stories_, _Puck of Pook's Hill_, and _Rewards
and Fairies._ I'm not much for war stories (with the exception
of _The March North_).

bit I preferred _The Man Who Would Be King_ and recommend it.
>(It is quite short so a small investment of time.)

Everybody to his own taste, said the good woman as she kissed her
cow.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

In article <a63cf938-2e26-495a-8a6a-6a8a109b8f5cn@googlegroups.com>,
Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 1:56:48 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <jbo253...@mid.individual.net>,
>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>> >In article <f927d4ed-8b34-47a8...@googlegroups.com>,
>> >pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 11:59:44 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>> >>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 02:05:09 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>> >>> Heydt) wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >In article <12caddef-5850-4eee...@googlegroups.com>,
>> >>> >Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> >>> >>On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 1:37:43 PM UTC-6, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> Book number one of a three book young adult space opera series.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>As if "young adults" these days are going to remember Casablanca.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >You never know.
>> >>> Depends on whether they're into movies or not. It's #3 on the AFI top
>> >>> 100, #5 on the IMDB top 100, and #8 on the Rottentomatoes top 100. So
>> >>> anybody who professes to have a serious interest in film has likely
>> >>> seen it.
>> >>
>> >>Thread drift time!
>> >>
>> >>Ronald Reagan was considered for the part of Rick. I recall one story in
>> >>which his rejection subconsciously drove him to seek residence in
>> >>another 'Casa Blanca'; the White House.
>> >>
>> >>The movie is based on a then-unproduced play, 'Everybody comes to Ricks',
>> >>and 'As Time Goes By' goes back to a 1932 stage comedy 'Everybody's
>Welcome'.
>> >>
>> >>Most people have only heard the latter part of the lyrics. The song has a
>> >>prolog, whichi (ObSF) references Einstein and the Theory of Relativity.
>> >>
>> >>This YT video includes it: https://youtu.be/KqkYyG4MpnI?t=60
>> >>
>> >>It's Jimmy Durante; I've been unable to find a more melodious version
>> >>in a quick search.
>> >>
>> >>pt
>> >
>> >More thread drift for "anybody who professes to have a serious
>> >interest in film".
>> >
>> >"Singing In The Rain" is back in theaters this week. As perfect in its
>> >own way as Casa Blanca.
>> Indeed. I can't get to theaters, but I have the DVD.
>>
>> Further drift: A work-related convention once sent me to Reno or
>> Las Vegas or one of the other places that were built, as the
>> Chancellor of UN Reno told us, "to get some of our silver back."
>>
>> We also saw a show featuring many chorus girls with their boobs
>> showing, plus Donald O'Connor, fully dressed--just as well, for
>> he had put on a lot of weight since the '50s; he did not attempt
>> to dance, just told off-color jokes. I forget now why I didn't
>> just get up and walk out.
>> --
>
>A live show? That sounds like his part in the film of "Ragtime." He
>sings "I Could Love a Million Girls" with chorus girls "of all nations"
>dancing around him.

There was actually a number in "Singing In The Rain" like that, but
O'Connor was not the male lead for that. (Neither was Kelly, it
was presented as a musical filming on a new soundstage that the cast
walked through for plot reasons).

>
>I was in college in the mid-70s and "Casablanca" would get shown
>in various venues: the uni film society series in the student union
>ballroom; the campus movie theater which doubled as a first run house
>at night and a lecture hall in the daytime; also the local repertory film
>house, part of the Landmark chain. Woody Allen's play (1969) and
>film (1972) "Play It Again, Sam" had brought the Bogart film to the
>attention of younger folk.
>

When I was at USC in the early 80s, the Russell House student union would
show movies 7 nights a week with the 5 weekday nights being classics.
I was lucky enough to see many movies I would never have otherwise.
Casablanca, Lost Horizon, Lolita, The Big Sleep, The Roaring 20s,
The Maltese Falcon, Sahara, The Pound, The 39 Steps, The Lady Vahishes,
Rear Window, Psycho, The Best Years Of Our Lives, Wings, The Cameraman,
Beau Geste, Robin Hood, Captain Blood, Kiss Me Deadly, The Repo Man,
Forbidden Planet, Citizen Kane, The Third Man, The African Queen,
The Umbrellas Of Cherbourg, Zardoz, The Lion In Winter, 12 Angry Men,
The Philadelphia Story, The Bells Of St. Mary, She Wore A Yellow Ribbon,
Stagecoach, High Noon, The Searchers, Rio Bravo, The General, Road To Rio,
Bringing Up Baby, It Happened One Night, & Eraserhead.

Not *all* classics by any means, but I miss those days..
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 11:42:30 PM UTC-4, Titus G wrote:
> On 23/04/22 02:32, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> > On 14/04/2022 23.48, Robert Woodward wrote:
> >> In article <t39s31$37s$1...@dont-email.me>,
> >> "Michael F. Stemper" <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> Which leads to something about which I've wondered about (but not too
> >>> seriously) for several years: Are there other similar pastiches in
> >>> the Man-Kzin Wars series? I've only read the first few books in that
> >>> series before I got turned off by it (esp the human woman being groomed
> >>> as a kzinrette).
> >>>
> >>> If there are more of these Bogie pastiches, in which books are they to
> >>> be found? (I'd rather not have any more detail than that, so that I can
> >>> have the pleasure of discovery.)
> >>
> >> The only other Stirling in the Man-Kzin Wars anthologies is "The Man Who
> >> Would Be Kzin", co-written with Greg Bear, in _Man-Kzin Wars IV_ - I
> >> have no idea if it is a Bogart pastiche (or any other movie).
> >
> > I read that a very long time ago and remember nothing of it. However, I
> > would guess that it's based on:
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Would_Be_King#Films>
> >
> _The Man Who Would Be King_ was originally a story by Rudyard Kipling of
> British adventurers in Afghanistan. IIRC, Dorothy's favourite Kipling
> was _Kim_ bit I preferred _The Man Who Would Be King_ and recommend it.
> (It is quite short so a small investment of time.)

The film is a superb Caine/Connery buddy film, at the height of their powers.

Pt

On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 2:48:35 PM UTC+10, Robert Woodward wrote:
>
> By the way, the novella "The Children's Hour" in _Man-Kzin Wars II_ was
> later expanded into a novel as _The Children's Hour_ (I can't remember
> the differences off hand).

More pages

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 1:42:37 PM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <a63cf938-2e26-495a...@googlegroups.com>,
> Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 1:56:48 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >> In article <jbo253...@mid.individual.net>,
> >> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
> >> >In article <f927d4ed-8b34-47a8...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> >pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 11:59:44 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
> >> >>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 02:05:09 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
> >> >>> Heydt) wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >In article <12caddef-5850-4eee...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> >>> >Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> >> >>> >>On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 1:37:43 PM UTC-6, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>> Book number one of a three book young adult space opera series..
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>As if "young adults" these days are going to remember Casablanca..
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >You never know.
> >> >>> Depends on whether they're into movies or not. It's #3 on the AFI top
> >> >>> 100, #5 on the IMDB top 100, and #8 on the Rottentomatoes top 100. So
> >> >>> anybody who professes to have a serious interest in film has likely
> >> >>> seen it.
> >> >>
> >> >>Thread drift time!
> >> >>
> >> >>Ronald Reagan was considered for the part of Rick. I recall one story in
> >> >>which his rejection subconsciously drove him to seek residence in
> >> >>another 'Casa Blanca'; the White House.
> >> >>
> >> >>The movie is based on a then-unproduced play, 'Everybody comes to Ricks',
> >> >>and 'As Time Goes By' goes back to a 1932 stage comedy 'Everybody's
> >Welcome'.
> >> >>
> >> >>Most people have only heard the latter part of the lyrics. The song has a
> >> >>prolog, whichi (ObSF) references Einstein and the Theory of Relativity.
> >> >>
> >> >>This YT video includes it: https://youtu.be/KqkYyG4MpnI?t=60
> >> >>
> >> >>It's Jimmy Durante; I've been unable to find a more melodious version
> >> >>in a quick search.
> >> >>
> >> >>pt
> >> >
> >> >More thread drift for "anybody who professes to have a serious
> >> >interest in film".
> >> >
> >> >"Singing In The Rain" is back in theaters this week. As perfect in its
> >> >own way as Casa Blanca.
> >> Indeed. I can't get to theaters, but I have the DVD.
> >>
> >> Further drift: A work-related convention once sent me to Reno or
> >> Las Vegas or one of the other places that were built, as the
> >> Chancellor of UN Reno told us, "to get some of our silver back."
> >>
> >> We also saw a show featuring many chorus girls with their boobs
> >> showing, plus Donald O'Connor, fully dressed--just as well, for
> >> he had put on a lot of weight since the '50s; he did not attempt
> >> to dance, just told off-color jokes. I forget now why I didn't
> >> just get up and walk out.
> >> --
> >
> >A live show? That sounds like his part in the film of "Ragtime." He
> >sings "I Could Love a Million Girls" with chorus girls "of all nations"
> >dancing around him.
> There was actually a number in "Singing In The Rain" like that, but
> O'Connor was not the male lead for that. (Neither was Kelly, it
> was presented as a musical filming on a new soundstage that the cast
> walked through for plot reasons).
> >

Forman tipping his hat to classic Hollywood?

[quote]

Donald O’Connor plays Nesbit’s unnamed dance teacher, who sings
“I Could Love a Million Girls”.

[/quote]

https://www.popmatters.com/milos-forman-ragtime-40th-anniversary

I can't find an online clip, but I have found the track from the sountrack:

https://youtu.be/RuNXe5-V7FE

Simpsons version:

https://youtu.be/3J4Ai3kNkI4

> >I was in college in the mid-70s and "Casablanca" would get shown
> >in various venues: the uni film society series in the student union
> >ballroom; the campus movie theater which doubled as a first run house
> >at night and a lecture hall in the daytime; also the local repertory film
> >house, part of the Landmark chain. Woody Allen's play (1969) and
> >film (1972) "Play It Again, Sam" had brought the Bogart film to the
> >attention of younger folk.
> >
> When I was at USC in the early 80s, the Russell House student union would
> show movies 7 nights a week with the 5 weekday nights being classics.
> I was lucky enough to see many movies I would never have otherwise.
> Casablanca, Lost Horizon, Lolita, The Big Sleep, The Roaring 20s,
> The Maltese Falcon, Sahara, The Pound, The 39 Steps, The Lady Vahishes,
> Rear Window, Psycho, The Best Years Of Our Lives, Wings, The Cameraman,
> Beau Geste, Robin Hood, Captain Blood, Kiss Me Deadly, The Repo Man,
> Forbidden Planet, Citizen Kane, The Third Man, The African Queen,
> The Umbrellas Of Cherbourg, Zardoz, The Lion In Winter, 12 Angry Men,
> The Philadelphia Story, The Bells Of St. Mary, She Wore A Yellow Ribbon,
> Stagecoach, High Noon, The Searchers, Rio Bravo, The General, Road To Rio,
> Bringing Up Baby, It Happened One Night, & Eraserhead.
>
> Not *all* classics by any means, but I miss those days..
> --

Ones I remember seeing not on your list: The Adventures of Robin Hood,
The Strawberry Blonde, [I loved Olivia de Havilland]
Growing up near New York City we were served WOR's (Ch9) "Million Dollar
Movie" and WABC's (7) "4:30 Movie" where a lot of these classic films were
shown. Ch 7 liked to give us "John Wayne Week," "Bogart Week" and other
theme weeks. It was nicer to see an uncut version in the theater setting.
CBS-TV ran movies (Late Show, Late Late Show) after the
evening news, but I was sent to bed before they rolled.
--
Kevin R

On 23/04/2022 12.42, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <a63cf938-2e26-495a-8a6a-6a8a109b8f5cn@googlegroups.com>,
> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:

>> I was in college in the mid-70s and "Casablanca" would get shown
>> in various venues: the uni film society series in the student union
>> ballroom; the campus movie theater which doubled as a first run house
>> at night and a lecture hall in the daytime; also the local repertory film
>> house, part of the Landmark chain. Woody Allen's play (1969) and
>> film (1972) "Play It Again, Sam" had brought the Bogart film to the
>> attention of younger folk.
>
> When I was at USC in the early 80s, the Russell House student union would
> show movies 7 nights a week with the 5 weekday nights being classics.
> I was lucky enough to see many movies I would never have otherwise.

At the University of Wisconsin in the early 1970s, there were scores of
film societies. Every student organization that could scrape up a couple
hundred bucks for a pair of projectors (and a cutover switch) set up a
film society. We had our choice of movies every night of the week (well,
not during finals week).

I moved away in 1976, and came back in 2013. All that we have now is an
official UW program:

<https://cinema.wisc.edu/>

(I say "only", but it has a pretty diverse array of films.)

Presumably, the advent of the more-or-less affordable VCR killed off the
student film societies in the mid-1980s.

> Not *all* classics by any means, but I miss those days..

I feel your pain.

--
Michael F. Stemper
This email is to be read by its intended recipient only. Any other party
reading is required by the EULA to send me $500.00.

In article <00507ed4-5a4b-4667-9f80-a3fc083fdd69n@googlegroups.com>,
Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 1:42:37 PM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>> In article <a63cf938-2e26-495a...@googlegroups.com>,
>> Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> >On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 1:56:48 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> >> In article <jbo253...@mid.individual.net>,
>> >> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>> >> >In article <f927d4ed-8b34-47a8...@googlegroups.com>,
>> >> >pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 11:59:44 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>> >> >>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 02:05:09 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>> >> >>> Heydt) wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >In article <12caddef-5850-4eee...@googlegroups.com>,
>> >> >>> >Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 1:37:43 PM UTC-6, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>> Book number one of a three book young adult space opera series.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>As if "young adults" these days are going to remember Casablanca.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >You never know.
>> >> >>> Depends on whether they're into movies or not. It's #3 on the AFI top
>> >> >>> 100, #5 on the IMDB top 100, and #8 on the Rottentomatoes top 100. So
>> >> >>> anybody who professes to have a serious interest in film has likely
>> >> >>> seen it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Thread drift time!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Ronald Reagan was considered for the part of Rick. I recall one story in
>> >> >>which his rejection subconsciously drove him to seek residence in
>> >> >>another 'Casa Blanca'; the White House.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>The movie is based on a then-unproduced play, 'Everybody comes to
>Ricks',
>> >> >>and 'As Time Goes By' goes back to a 1932 stage comedy 'Everybody's
>> >Welcome'.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Most people have only heard the latter part of the lyrics. The
>song has a
>> >> >>prolog, whichi (ObSF) references Einstein and the Theory of Relativity.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>This YT video includes it: https://youtu.be/KqkYyG4MpnI?t=60
>> >> >>
>> >> >>It's Jimmy Durante; I've been unable to find a more melodious version
>> >> >>in a quick search.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>pt
>> >> >
>> >> >More thread drift for "anybody who professes to have a serious
>> >> >interest in film".
>> >> >
>> >> >"Singing In The Rain" is back in theaters this week. As perfect in its
>> >> >own way as Casa Blanca.
>> >> Indeed. I can't get to theaters, but I have the DVD.
>> >>
>> >> Further drift: A work-related convention once sent me to Reno or
>> >> Las Vegas or one of the other places that were built, as the
>> >> Chancellor of UN Reno told us, "to get some of our silver back."
>> >>
>> >> We also saw a show featuring many chorus girls with their boobs
>> >> showing, plus Donald O'Connor, fully dressed--just as well, for
>> >> he had put on a lot of weight since the '50s; he did not attempt
>> >> to dance, just told off-color jokes. I forget now why I didn't
>> >> just get up and walk out.
>> >> --
>> >
>> >A live show? That sounds like his part in the film of "Ragtime." He
>> >sings "I Could Love a Million Girls" with chorus girls "of all nations"
>> >dancing around him.
>> There was actually a number in "Singing In The Rain" like that, but
>> O'Connor was not the male lead for that. (Neither was Kelly, it
>> was presented as a musical filming on a new soundstage that the cast
>> walked through for plot reasons).
>> >
>
>Forman tipping his hat to classic Hollywood?
>
>[quote]
>
> Donald O’Connor plays Nesbit’s unnamed dance teacher, who sings
>“I Could Love a Million Girls”.
>
>[/quote]
>
>https://www.popmatters.com/milos-forman-ragtime-40th-anniversary
>
>I can't find an online clip, but I have found the track from the sountrack:
>
>https://youtu.be/RuNXe5-V7FE
>
>Simpsons version:
>
>https://youtu.be/3J4Ai3kNkI4
>
>> >I was in college in the mid-70s and "Casablanca" would get shown
>> >in various venues: the uni film society series in the student union
>> >ballroom; the campus movie theater which doubled as a first run house
>> >at night and a lecture hall in the daytime; also the local repertory film
>> >house, part of the Landmark chain. Woody Allen's play (1969) and
>> >film (1972) "Play It Again, Sam" had brought the Bogart film to the
>> >attention of younger folk.
>> >
>> When I was at USC in the early 80s, the Russell House student union would
>> show movies 7 nights a week with the 5 weekday nights being classics.
>> I was lucky enough to see many movies I would never have otherwise.
>> Casablanca, Lost Horizon, Lolita, The Big Sleep, The Roaring 20s,
>> The Maltese Falcon, Sahara, The Pound, The 39 Steps, The Lady Vahishes,
>> Rear Window, Psycho, The Best Years Of Our Lives, Wings, The Cameraman,
>> Beau Geste, Robin Hood, Captain Blood, Kiss Me Deadly, The Repo Man,
>> Forbidden Planet, Citizen Kane, The Third Man, The African Queen,
>> The Umbrellas Of Cherbourg, Zardoz, The Lion In Winter, 12 Angry Men,
>> The Philadelphia Story, The Bells Of St. Mary, She Wore A Yellow Ribbon,
>> Stagecoach, High Noon, The Searchers, Rio Bravo, The General, Road To Rio,
>> Bringing Up Baby, It Happened One Night, & Eraserhead.
>>
>> Not *all* classics by any means, but I miss those days..
>> --
>
>Ones I remember seeing not on your list: The Adventures of Robin Hood,
>The Strawberry Blonde, [I loved Olivia de Havilland]
>Growing up near New York City we were served WOR's (Ch9) "Million Dollar
>Movie" and WABC's (7) "4:30 Movie" where a lot of these classic films were
>shown. Ch 7 liked to give us "John Wayne Week," "Bogart Week" and other
>theme weeks. It was nicer to see an uncut version in the theater setting.
>CBS-TV ran movies (Late Show, Late Late Show) after the
>evening news, but I was sent to bed before they rolled.
>--
>Kevin R

Actually the "Robin Hood" I mention is the Flynn. I forgot the "The Adventures
Of" part. I tried to show it to my niece and she bailed at the part where
he comes into the feast with a dead deer over his shoulders. Also I
remembered after posting: Goodbye Mr. Chips, The Grand Illusion, All Quiet
On The Western Front, The Inlaws, Rebecca & The Birds.
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 1:41:56 PM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <00507ed4-5a4b-4667...@googlegroups.com>,
> Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 1:42:37 PM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> >> In article <a63cf938-2e26-495a...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >> >On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 1:56:48 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >> >> In article <jbo253...@mid.individual.net>,
> >> >> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
> >> >> >In article <f927d4ed-8b34-47a8...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> >pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 11:59:44 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
> >> >> >>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 02:05:09 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
> >> >> >>> Heydt) wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> >In article <12caddef-5850-4eee...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> >>> >Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> >> >> >>> >>On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 1:37:43 PM UTC-6, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>> >>> Book number one of a three book young adult space opera series.
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>> >>As if "young adults" these days are going to remember Casablanca.
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >You never know.
> >> >> >>> Depends on whether they're into movies or not. It's #3 on the AFI top
> >> >> >>> 100, #5 on the IMDB top 100, and #8 on the Rottentomatoes top 100. So
> >> >> >>> anybody who professes to have a serious interest in film has likely
> >> >> >>> seen it.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Thread drift time!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Ronald Reagan was considered for the part of Rick. I recall one story in
> >> >> >>which his rejection subconsciously drove him to seek residence in
> >> >> >>another 'Casa Blanca'; the White House.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>The movie is based on a then-unproduced play, 'Everybody comes to
> >Ricks',
> >> >> >>and 'As Time Goes By' goes back to a 1932 stage comedy 'Everybody's
> >> >Welcome'.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Most people have only heard the latter part of the lyrics. The
> >song has a
> >> >> >>prolog, whichi (ObSF) references Einstein and the Theory of Relativity.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>This YT video includes it: https://youtu.be/KqkYyG4MpnI?t=60
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>It's Jimmy Durante; I've been unable to find a more melodious version
> >> >> >>in a quick search.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>pt
> >> >> >
> >> >> >More thread drift for "anybody who professes to have a serious
> >> >> >interest in film".
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Singing In The Rain" is back in theaters this week. As perfect in its
> >> >> >own way as Casa Blanca.
> >> >> Indeed. I can't get to theaters, but I have the DVD.
> >> >>
> >> >> Further drift: A work-related convention once sent me to Reno or
> >> >> Las Vegas or one of the other places that were built, as the
> >> >> Chancellor of UN Reno told us, "to get some of our silver back."
> >> >>
> >> >> We also saw a show featuring many chorus girls with their boobs
> >> >> showing, plus Donald O'Connor, fully dressed--just as well, for
> >> >> he had put on a lot of weight since the '50s; he did not attempt
> >> >> to dance, just told off-color jokes. I forget now why I didn't
> >> >> just get up and walk out.
> >> >> --
> >> >
> >> >A live show? That sounds like his part in the film of "Ragtime." He
> >> >sings "I Could Love a Million Girls" with chorus girls "of all nations"
> >> >dancing around him.
> >> There was actually a number in "Singing In The Rain" like that, but
> >> O'Connor was not the male lead for that. (Neither was Kelly, it
> >> was presented as a musical filming on a new soundstage that the cast
> >> walked through for plot reasons).
> >> >
> >
> >Forman tipping his hat to classic Hollywood?
> >
> >[quote]
> >
> > Donald O’Connor plays Nesbit’s unnamed dance teacher, who sings
> >“I Could Love a Million Girls”.
> >
> >[/quote]
> >
> >https://www.popmatters.com/milos-forman-ragtime-40th-anniversary
> >
> >I can't find an online clip, but I have found the track from the sountrack:
> >
> >https://youtu.be/RuNXe5-V7FE
> >
> >Simpsons version:
> >
> >https://youtu.be/3J4Ai3kNkI4
> >
> >> >I was in college in the mid-70s and "Casablanca" would get shown
> >> >in various venues: the uni film society series in the student union
> >> >ballroom; the campus movie theater which doubled as a first run house
> >> >at night and a lecture hall in the daytime; also the local repertory film
> >> >house, part of the Landmark chain. Woody Allen's play (1969) and
> >> >film (1972) "Play It Again, Sam" had brought the Bogart film to the
> >> >attention of younger folk.
> >> >
> >> When I was at USC in the early 80s, the Russell House student union would
> >> show movies 7 nights a week with the 5 weekday nights being classics.
> >> I was lucky enough to see many movies I would never have otherwise.
> >> Casablanca, Lost Horizon, Lolita, The Big Sleep, The Roaring 20s,
> >> The Maltese Falcon, Sahara, The Pound, The 39 Steps, The Lady Vahishes,
> >> Rear Window, Psycho, The Best Years Of Our Lives, Wings, The Cameraman,
> >> Beau Geste, Robin Hood, Captain Blood, Kiss Me Deadly, The Repo Man,
> >> Forbidden Planet, Citizen Kane, The Third Man, The African Queen,
> >> The Umbrellas Of Cherbourg, Zardoz, The Lion In Winter, 12 Angry Men,
> >> The Philadelphia Story, The Bells Of St. Mary, She Wore A Yellow Ribbon,
> >> Stagecoach, High Noon, The Searchers, Rio Bravo, The General, Road To Rio,
> >> Bringing Up Baby, It Happened One Night, & Eraserhead.
> >>
> >> Not *all* classics by any means, but I miss those days..
> >> --
> >
> >Ones I remember seeing not on your list: The Adventures of Robin Hood,
> >The Strawberry Blonde, [I loved Olivia de Havilland]
> >Growing up near New York City we were served WOR's (Ch9) "Million Dollar
> >Movie" and WABC's (7) "4:30 Movie" where a lot of these classic films were
> >shown. Ch 7 liked to give us "John Wayne Week," "Bogart Week" and other
> >theme weeks. It was nicer to see an uncut version in the theater setting..
> >CBS-TV ran movies (Late Show, Late Late Show) after the
> >evening news, but I was sent to bed before they rolled.
> >--
> >Kevin R
> Actually the "Robin Hood" I mention is the Flynn. I forgot the "The Adventures
> Of" part. I tried to show it to my niece and she bailed at the part where
> he comes into the feast with a dead deer over his shoulders. Also I
> remembered after posting: Goodbye Mr. Chips, The Grand Illusion, All Quiet
> On The Western Front, The Inlaws, Rebecca & The Birds.

Ah, The Inlaws! (I presume you mean the one with Peter Falk and Alan Arkin.)
That was one of my very favorites for many years. I actually haven't seen it in
years - I wonder if it holds up? I'd hate to ruin my super-fond memories.

"Serpentine!"
- Tony