On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:32:53 AM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 6/8/2022 1:23 AM, Kevrob wrote:

[snip]

> > Herd all the nasty piggies to the border, and use them like sharks on your
> > Evil Overlord HQ's moat?
> >
> > Durned things can swim, though.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5xqf5dOEXk&ab_channel=PatHanning
> >
> Two problems with that idea. One, how are you going to herd them? Two,
> how are you going to make them stay at the border?
> --

Not a serious suggestion. If they could be herded, they could be slaughtered
en masse.

Now, shooting machine guns from helicopters has a certain style.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/feral-hog-helicopter-hunt-17127504.php

--
Kevin R

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 9:45:40 AM UTC-4, Kevrob wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:32:53 AM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> > On 6/8/2022 1:23 AM, Kevrob wrote:
> [snip]
> > > Herd all the nasty piggies to the border, and use them like sharks on your
> > > Evil Overlord HQ's moat?
> > >
> > > Durned things can swim, though.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5xqf5dOEXk&ab_channel=PatHanning
> > >
> > Two problems with that idea. One, how are you going to herd them? Two,
> > how are you going to make them stay at the border?
> > --
> Not a serious suggestion. If they could be herded, they could be slaughtered
> en masse.
>
> Now, shooting machine guns from helicopters has a certain style.
>
> https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/feral-hog-helicopter-hunt-17127504.php

If the state offered a bounty (say, $5) for each feral hog tail turned in, you might make a dent.
That's how much is paid for nutria tails in some places.

Of course, there's potential problems.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive

pt

On 6/8/2022 6:45 AM, Kevrob wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:32:53 AM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 6/8/2022 1:23 AM, Kevrob wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>> Herd all the nasty piggies to the border, and use them like sharks on your
>>> Evil Overlord HQ's moat?
>>>
>>> Durned things can swim, though.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5xqf5dOEXk&ab_channel=PatHanning
>>>
>> Two problems with that idea. One, how are you going to herd them? Two,
>> how are you going to make them stay at the border?
>> --
>
> Not a serious suggestion. If they could be herded, they could be slaughtered
> en masse.
>
> Now, shooting machine guns from helicopters has a certain style.
>
> https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/feral-hog-helicopter-hunt-17127504.php
>
Sounds like a job for the National Guard (assuming of course that all
those gun owners in Texas aren't up to the job).

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 10:49:56 AM UTC-4, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 9:45:40 AM UTC-4, Kevrob wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:32:53 AM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> > > On 6/8/2022 1:23 AM, Kevrob wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > > Herd all the nasty piggies to the border, and use them like sharks on your
> > > > Evil Overlord HQ's moat?
> > > >
> > > > Durned things can swim, though.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5xqf5dOEXk&ab_channel=PatHanning
> > > >
> > > Two problems with that idea. One, how are you going to herd them? Two,
> > > how are you going to make them stay at the border?
> > > --
> > Not a serious suggestion. If they could be herded, they could be slaughtered
> > en masse.
> >
> > Now, shooting machine guns from helicopters has a certain style.
> >
> > https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/feral-hog-helicopter-hunt-17127504.php
> If the state offered a bounty (say, $5) for each feral hog tail turned in, you might make a dent.
> That's how much is paid for nutria tails in some places.
>
> Of course, there's potential problems.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive
>
>

The Chronicle article points out that those running hunting operations
would go out of business if all the porkers were killed.

Trophy deer hunters want bucks with large racks.
Officials charged with issuing deer hunting tags
want the hunters to take does, so that the herd
doesn't outbreed the resources they feed on.

--
Kevin R

On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 08:14:56 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 6/8/2022 6:45 AM, Kevrob wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:32:53 AM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 6/8/2022 1:23 AM, Kevrob wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>>> Herd all the nasty piggies to the border, and use them like sharks on your
>>>> Evil Overlord HQ's moat?
>>>>
>>>> Durned things can swim, though.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5xqf5dOEXk&ab_channel=PatHanning
>>>>
>>> Two problems with that idea. One, how are you going to herd them? Two,
>>> how are you going to make them stay at the border?
>>> --
>>
>> Not a serious suggestion. If they could be herded, they could be slaughtered
>> en masse.
>>
>> Now, shooting machine guns from helicopters has a certain style.
>>
>> https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/feral-hog-helicopter-hunt-17127504.php
>>
>Sounds like a job for the National Guard (assuming of course that all
>those gun owners in Texas aren't up to the job).

Perhaps they prefer softer targets in enclosed environments.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

On 6/8/2022 8:45 AM, Kevrob wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:32:53 AM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 6/8/2022 1:23 AM, Kevrob wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>> Herd all the nasty piggies to the border, and use them like sharks on your
>>> Evil Overlord HQ's moat?
>>>
>>> Durned things can swim, though.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5xqf5dOEXk&ab_channel=PatHanning
>>>
>> Two problems with that idea. One, how are you going to herd them? Two,
>> how are you going to make them stay at the border?
>> --
>
> Not a serious suggestion. If they could be herded, they could be slaughtered
> en masse.
>
> Now, shooting machine guns from helicopters has a certain style.
>
> https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/feral-hog-helicopter-hunt-17127504.php
>
>

And if that's too noisy, you can also use hot air balloons.

On 09/06/2022 01:14, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 6/8/2022 6:45 AM, Kevrob wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:32:53 AM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler
>> wrote:
>>> On 6/8/2022 1:23 AM, Kevrob wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>>> Herd all the nasty piggies to the border, and use them like sharks
>>>> on your
>>>> Evil Overlord HQ's moat?
>>>>
>>>> Durned things can swim, though.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5xqf5dOEXk&ab_channel=PatHanning
>>>>
>>> Two problems with that idea. One, how are you going to herd them? Two,
>>> how are you going to make them stay at the border?
>>> --
>>
>> Not a serious suggestion.  If they could be herded, they could be
>> slaughtered
>> en masse.
>>
>> Now, shooting machine guns from helicopters has a certain style.
>>
>> https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/feral-hog-helicopter-hunt-17127504.php
>>
>>
> Sounds like a job for the National Guard (assuming of course that all
> those gun owners in Texas aren't up to the job).
>
>
One of my hunting friends - who also hunted feral pigs with a bow and
arrow - said, "If you need a semi-automatic weapon, or a pistol, you're
not hunting, you're slaughtering something - probably monkeys".

Cheers,
Gary B-)

In <bc804711-22bc-40b6-a006-1dcb3a779267n@googlegroups.com>
"pete...@gmail.com" <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:

>If the state offered a bounty (say, $5) for each feral hog tail turned in, you might make a dent.
>That's how much is paid for nutria tails in some places.

>Of course, there's potential problems.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive

Terry Pratchett may or may not have read that article, but he was certainly
aware of the concept, as shown in this footnote in Soul Music:

Rats had featured largely in the history of Ankh-Morpork. Shortly before
the Patrician came to power there was a terrible plague of rats. The
city council countered it by offering twenty pence for every rat tail.
This did, for a week or two, reduce the number of rats—and then people
were suddenly queing up with tails, the city treasury was being drained,
and no one seemed to be doing much work. And there still seemed to be a
lot of rats around. Lord Vetinari had listened carefully while the
problem was explained, and had solved the thing with one memorable
phrase which said a lot about him, about the folly of bounty offers, and
about the natural instinct of Ankh-Morporkians in any situation
involving money: “Tax the rat farms.”

- Steven
--
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smw@smwonline.ca | My belief is that in life people will
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| - Isaac Asimov

On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 04:55:17 UTC+1, smw wrote:
> In <bc804711-22bc-40b6...@googlegroups.com>
> "pete...@gmail.com" <pete...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> >If the state offered a bounty (say, $5) for each feral hog tail turned in, you might make a dent.
> >That's how much is paid for nutria tails in some places.
>
> >Of course, there's potential problems.
> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive
> Terry Pratchett may or may not have read that article, but he was certainly
> aware of the concept, as shown in this footnote in Soul Music:
>
> Rats had featured largely in the history of Ankh-Morpork. Shortly before
> the Patrician came to power there was a terrible plague of rats. The
> city council countered it by offering twenty pence for every rat tail.
> This did, for a week or two, reduce the number of rats—and then people
> were suddenly queing up with tails, the city treasury was being drained,
> and no one seemed to be doing much work. And there still seemed to be a
> lot of rats around. Lord Vetinari had listened carefully while the
> problem was explained, and had solved the thing with one memorable
> phrase which said a lot about him, about the folly of bounty offers, and
> about the natural instinct of Ankh-Morporkians in any situation
> involving money: “Tax the rat farms.”

It's just crossed my mind that earlier, in _Guards! Guards!_,
there's a present-day scene which could imply that
Vetinari went on to corner the rat.

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 11:55:17 PM UTC-4, smw wrote:
> In <bc804711-22bc-40b6...@googlegroups.com>
> "pete...@gmail.com" <pete...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> >If the state offered a bounty (say, $5) for each feral hog tail turned in, you might make a dent.
> >That's how much is paid for nutria tails in some places.
>
> >Of course, there's potential problems.
> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive
> Terry Pratchett may or may not have read that article, but he was certainly
> aware of the concept, as shown in this footnote in Soul Music:
>
> Rats had featured largely in the history of Ankh-Morpork. Shortly before
> the Patrician came to power there was a terrible plague of rats. The
> city council countered it by offering twenty pence for every rat tail.
> This did, for a week or two, reduce the number of rats—and then people
> were suddenly queing up with tails, the city treasury was being drained,
> and no one seemed to be doing much work. And there still seemed to be a
> lot of rats around. Lord Vetinari had listened carefully while the
> problem was explained, and had solved the thing with one memorable
> phrase which said a lot about him, about the folly of bounty offers, and
> about the natural instinct of Ankh-Morporkians in any situation
> involving money: “Tax the rat farms.”

PTerry almost certainly had the following in mind, which is probably much better
known in the UK than in the US. From Wikipedia:

"The term "cobra effect" was coined by economist Horst Siebert based on an anecdote of an occurrence in India during British rule. The British government, concerned about the number of venomous cobras in Delhi, offered a bounty for every dead cobra. Initially, this was a successful strategy; large numbers of snakes were killed for the reward. Eventually, however, enterprising people began to breed cobras for the income. When the government became aware of this, the reward program was scrapped. When cobra breeders set their now-worthless snakes free, the wild cobra population further increased."

pt

On 6/8/2022 10:23 PM, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
> On 09/06/2022 01:14, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 6/8/2022 6:45 AM, Kevrob wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:32:53 AM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 6/8/2022 1:23 AM, Kevrob wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>>> Herd all the nasty piggies to the border, and use them like sharks
>>>>> on your
>>>>> Evil Overlord HQ's moat?
>>>>>
>>>>> Durned things can swim, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5xqf5dOEXk&ab_channel=PatHanning
>>>>>
>>>> Two problems with that idea. One, how are you going to herd them? Two,
>>>> how are you going to make them stay at the border?
>>>> --
>>>
>>> Not a serious suggestion.  If they could be herded, they could be
>>> slaughtered
>>> en masse.
>>>
>>> Now, shooting machine guns from helicopters has a certain style.
>>>
>>> https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/feral-hog-helicopter-hunt-17127504.php
>>>
>>>
>> Sounds like a job for the National Guard (assuming of course that all
>> those gun owners in Texas aren't up to the job).
>>
>>
> One of my hunting friends - who also hunted feral pigs with a bow and
> arrow - said, "If you need a semi-automatic weapon, or a pistol, you're
> not hunting, you're slaughtering something - probably monkeys".
>
>     Cheers,
>         Gary    B-)

That's kinda of the idea. You come across a group of 20-30 feral pigs
the goal is to leave 0. Unless he's Hawkeye that's not happening.

He's probably just taking a pig or two for the meat. And yes, a feral
pig can be processed, cooked, and eaten safely.

On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 08:29:09 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 10:49:56 AM UTC-4, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 9:45:40 AM UTC-4, Kevrob wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:32:53 AM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> > > On 6/8/2022 1:23 AM, Kevrob wrote:
>> > [snip]
>> > > > Herd all the nasty piggies to the border, and use them like sharks on your
>> > > > Evil Overlord HQ's moat?
>> > > >
>> > > > Durned things can swim, though.
>> > > >
>> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5xqf5dOEXk&ab_channel=PatHanning
>> > > >
>> > > Two problems with that idea. One, how are you going to herd them? Two,
>> > > how are you going to make them stay at the border?
>> > > --
>> > Not a serious suggestion. If they could be herded, they could be slaughtered
>> > en masse.
>> >
>> > Now, shooting machine guns from helicopters has a certain style.
>> >
>> > https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/feral-hog-helicopter-hunt-17127504.php
>> If the state offered a bounty (say, $5) for each feral hog tail turned in, you might make a dent.
>> That's how much is paid for nutria tails in some places.
>>
>> Of course, there's potential problems.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive
>>
>>
>
>The Chronicle article points out that those running hunting operations
>would go out of business if all the porkers were killed.
>
>Trophy deer hunters want bucks with large racks.
>Officials charged with issuing deer hunting tags
>want the hunters to take does, so that the herd
>doesn't outbreed the resources they feed on.

Back when I played wargames with other people, it quickly became
apparent that I had the superpower of "snatching defeat from the jaws
of victory".

It was quite discouraging, as might be imagined.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> On 6/8/2022 6:45 AM, Kevrob wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:32:53 AM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 6/8/2022 1:23 AM, Kevrob wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>>> Herd all the nasty piggies to the border, and use them like sharks on your
>>>> Evil Overlord HQ's moat?
>>>>
>>>> Durned things can swim, though.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5xqf5dOEXk&ab_channel=PatHanning
>>>>
>>> Two problems with that idea. One, how are you going to herd them? Two,
>>> how are you going to make them stay at the border?
>>> --
>>
>> Not a serious suggestion. If they could be herded, they could be slaughtered
>> en masse.
>>
>> Now, shooting machine guns from helicopters has a certain style.
>>
>> https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/feral-hog-helicopter-hunt-17127504.php
>>
> Sounds like a job for the National Guard (assuming of course that all
> those gun owners in Texas aren't up to the job).

The problem is that the hogs don't stick to areas where hunting is legal.
Our particular bunch move between our neighborhood (inside the city limits)
and the neighboring Corps of Engineers land.
Another problem is that killing them leaves you with a yard full of dead
hogs that will soon become dead, rotting hogs. Butchering them leaves you
with a bunch of meat and a pile of soon-to-be rotting hog bits.
Enough sufficiently large predators might keep the hog population down, but
they'd have their own issues (there's already enough whining about coyotes
and ex-pets).

Robert
--
Robert K. Shull Email: rkshull at rosettacon dot com

Jay E. Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:
> On 6/8/2022 10:23 PM, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>> On 09/06/2022 01:14, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 6/8/2022 6:45 AM, Kevrob wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:32:53 AM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 6/8/2022 1:23 AM, Kevrob wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>>>> Herd all the nasty piggies to the border, and use them like sharks
>>>>>> on your
>>>>>> Evil Overlord HQ's moat?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Durned things can swim, though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5xqf5dOEXk&ab_channel=PatHanning
>>>>>>
>>>>> Two problems with that idea. One, how are you going to herd them? Two,
>>>>> how are you going to make them stay at the border?
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Not a serious suggestion.  If they could be herded, they could be
>>>> slaughtered
>>>> en masse.
>>>>
>>>> Now, shooting machine guns from helicopters has a certain style.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/feral-hog-helicopter-hunt-17127504.php
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Sounds like a job for the National Guard (assuming of course that all
>>> those gun owners in Texas aren't up to the job).
>>>
>>>
>> One of my hunting friends - who also hunted feral pigs with a bow and
>> arrow - said, "If you need a semi-automatic weapon, or a pistol, you're
>> not hunting, you're slaughtering something - probably monkeys".
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>         Gary    B-)
>
> That's kinda of the idea. You come across a group of 20-30 feral pigs
> the goal is to leave 0. Unless he's Hawkeye that's not happening.
>
> He's probably just taking a pig or two for the meat. And yes, a feral
> pig can be processed, cooked, and eaten safely.

They're tasty enough, but I'm too paranoid to use them for anything but stew.

Robert
--
Robert K. Shull Email: rkshull at rosettacon dot com

On 08/06/2022 08.45, Kevrob wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:32:53 AM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 6/8/2022 1:23 AM, Kevrob wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>> Herd all the nasty piggies to the border, and use them like sharks on your
>>> Evil Overlord HQ's moat?
>>>
>>> Durned things can swim, though.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5xqf5dOEXk&ab_channel=PatHanning
>>>
>> Two problems with that idea. One, how are you going to herd them? Two,
>> how are you going to make them stay at the border?
>> --
>
> Not a serious suggestion. If they could be herded, they could be slaughtered
> en masse.
>
> Now, shooting machine guns from helicopters has a certain style.
>
> https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/feral-hog-helicopter-hunt-17127504.php

On Capella IV, they herd supercows that way.

<http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3041>

Until a minute ago, I had no idea that Piper had a co-author
for this one.

--
Michael F. Stemper
Deuteronomy 10:18-19

On 6/3/2022 2:52 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 6/3/2022 8:44 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 14:23:27 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/2/2022 10:48 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 22:33:01 -0500, "Jay E. Morris"
>>>> <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/1/2022 9:43 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/1/2022 9:01 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/30/2022 11:20 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/30/2022 9:58 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/27/2022 7:37 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 May 2022 22:30:10 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>>>>>>>>>> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2022 4:12 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2022 2:22 PM, William Hyde wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A fireproof copy of Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaid's Tail"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>> created.  The pages and cover are aluminum, the signatures
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bound
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> metal wire, and the boards  of phenolic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A video of Ms Atwood taking a flamethrower to her book can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpsMsAMY4eM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> William Hyde
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. Still not going to read it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But her “Oryx and Crake” series is pretty good.  It is about the
>>>>>>>>>>> coming
>>>>>>>>>>> genetic modification of everything, including humans.  The
>>>>>>>>>>> pigs with
>>>>>>>>>>> human brain DNA bothered me the most.  I have been treed by a
>>>>>>>>>>> hundred
>>>>>>>>>>> javelinas while hunting, I would hate to mess with them if they
>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>> had intelligence.  I shot one of the javelinas with my .308, the
>>>>>>>>>>> rest of
>>>>>>>>>>> them did not care.  A hundred javelinas and five rounds in my
>>>>>>>>>>> gun
>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>> very bad match.  I now carry a pistol when hunting also.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Crake-MaddAddam-Trilogy-Margaret-Atwood/dp/0385721676
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    From the sound of things a few grenades might be in order.
>>>>>>>>>> And the
>>>>>>>>>> 155s on call.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's reserved for the feral hogs. Both will chase you up a tree
>>>>>>>>> but then the ferals will eat the tree to get to you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have always had the feral pigs run away from me, even in packs of
>>>>>>>> 30 to 35.  They are fairly smart.  The javelina pigs are stupid,
>>>>>>>> travel in huge packs of a 100 or more, and always chase you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Must be the east verses west Texas pigs. I have had them strongly
>>>>>>> object   to my presence while backpacking/camping.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, I am usually chasing them in a 4x4 pickup.  And
>>>>>> occasionally
>>>>>> shooting at them.  Or running them over with my truck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would not go anywhere near them while on foot.  They are freaking
>>>>>> dangerous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, were never intentional encounters. They're bigger and meaner than
>>>>> the boars I encountered in Germany.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm, wonder how many can say they've been treed by pigs on two
>>>>> continents?
>>>>
>>>> Rotten Tomatoes suggests a documentary is opening this week on Texas
>>>> Wildlife Conservation.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder what /it/ has to say about feral pigs and/or javelinas.
>>>
>>> Kill them all.  We have an estimated 4 million feral pigs in Texas
>>> alone, increasing at a half million per year.  They will outnumber the 6
>>> million deer soon.
>>
>> That's a lot of live non-stock roaming about at will.
>>
>> Perhaps fencing them in would help ...
>>
> Would cost more than Trump's Mexican Wall.  Have to be tougher too.  :P
>
>> or maybe gene therapy to reduce reproductive success.
>
> I'm not sticking it with a needle!  You stick it with a needle first!

No freaking way. I have inoculated calves before. It is a surprising
difficult maneuver.

Lynn

On 6/9/2022 2:11 PM, rkshullat@rosettacondot.com wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> On 6/8/2022 6:45 AM, Kevrob wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:32:53 AM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> On 6/8/2022 1:23 AM, Kevrob wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>>> Herd all the nasty piggies to the border, and use them like sharks on your
>>>>> Evil Overlord HQ's moat?
>>>>>
>>>>> Durned things can swim, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5xqf5dOEXk&ab_channel=PatHanning
>>>>>
>>>> Two problems with that idea. One, how are you going to herd them? Two,
>>>> how are you going to make them stay at the border?
>>>> --
>>>
>>> Not a serious suggestion. If they could be herded, they could be slaughtered
>>> en masse.
>>>
>>> Now, shooting machine guns from helicopters has a certain style.
>>>
>>> https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/feral-hog-helicopter-hunt-17127504.php
>>>
>> Sounds like a job for the National Guard (assuming of course that all
>> those gun owners in Texas aren't up to the job).
>
> The problem is that the hogs don't stick to areas where hunting is legal.
> Our particular bunch move between our neighborhood (inside the city limits)
> and the neighboring Corps of Engineers land.
> Another problem is that killing them leaves you with a yard full of dead
> hogs that will soon become dead, rotting hogs. Butchering them leaves you
> with a bunch of meat and a pile of soon-to-be rotting hog bits.
> Enough sufficiently large predators might keep the hog population down, but
> they'd have their own issues (there's already enough whining about coyotes
> and ex-pets).
>
> Robert

I use buzzards for my feral hog disposal. Takes them about two weeks
for a 90% disposal. I have a buzzard roost of somewhere between 200 to
300 adults about five miles away from my nine acre property.

Lynn

On 6/9/2022 12:41 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 6/3/2022 2:52 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 6/3/2022 8:44 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 14:23:27 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>>> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/2/2022 10:48 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 22:33:01 -0500, "Jay E. Morris"
>>>>> <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/1/2022 9:43 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/1/2022 9:01 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/30/2022 11:20 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/30/2022 9:58 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/27/2022 7:37 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 May 2022 22:30:10 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>>>>>>>>>>> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2022 4:12 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2022 2:22 PM, William Hyde wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A fireproof copy of Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaid's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tail" has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> created.  The pages and cover are aluminum, the signatures
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> metal wire, and the boards  of phenolic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A video of Ms Atwood taking a flamethrower to her book can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpsMsAMY4eM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> William Hyde
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. Still not going to read it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But her “Oryx and Crake” series is pretty good.  It is about
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> coming
>>>>>>>>>>>> genetic modification of everything, including humans.  The
>>>>>>>>>>>> pigs with
>>>>>>>>>>>> human brain DNA bothered me the most.  I have been treed by
>>>>>>>>>>>> a hundred
>>>>>>>>>>>> javelinas while hunting, I would hate to mess with them if they
>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>> had intelligence.  I shot one of the javelinas with my .308,
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> rest of
>>>>>>>>>>>> them did not care.  A hundred javelinas and five rounds in
>>>>>>>>>>>> my gun
>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> very bad match.  I now carry a pistol when hunting also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Crake-MaddAddam-Trilogy-Margaret-Atwood/dp/0385721676
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    From the sound of things a few grenades might be in order.
>>>>>>>>>>> And the
>>>>>>>>>>> 155s on call.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's reserved for the feral hogs. Both will chase you up a tree
>>>>>>>>>> but then the ferals will eat the tree to get to you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have always had the feral pigs run away from me, even in
>>>>>>>>> packs of
>>>>>>>>> 30 to 35.  They are fairly smart.  The javelina pigs are stupid,
>>>>>>>>> travel in huge packs of a 100 or more, and always chase you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Must be the east verses west Texas pigs. I have had them strongly
>>>>>>>> object   to my presence while backpacking/camping.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course, I am usually chasing them in a 4x4 pickup.  And
>>>>>>> occasionally
>>>>>>> shooting at them.  Or running them over with my truck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would not go anywhere near them while on foot.  They are freaking
>>>>>>> dangerous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, were never intentional encounters. They're bigger and meaner
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> the boars I encountered in Germany.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmm, wonder how many can say they've been treed by pigs on two
>>>>>> continents?
>>>>>
>>>>> Rotten Tomatoes suggests a documentary is opening this week on Texas
>>>>> Wildlife Conservation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder what /it/ has to say about feral pigs and/or javelinas.
>>>>
>>>> Kill them all.  We have an estimated 4 million feral pigs in Texas
>>>> alone, increasing at a half million per year.  They will outnumber
>>>> the 6
>>>> million deer soon.
>>>
>>> That's a lot of live non-stock roaming about at will.
>>>
>>> Perhaps fencing them in would help ...
>>>
>> Would cost more than Trump's Mexican Wall.  Have to be tougher too.  :P
>>
>>> or maybe gene therapy to reduce reproductive success.
>>
>> I'm not sticking it with a needle!  You stick it with a needle first!
>
> No freaking way.  I have inoculated calves before.  It is a surprising
> difficult maneuver.
>
Then get used to feral hogs living on your front lawn. :D

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On 6/9/2022 6:26 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 6/9/2022 12:41 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 6/3/2022 2:52 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 6/3/2022 8:44 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 14:23:27 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>>>> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/2/2022 10:48 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 22:33:01 -0500, "Jay E. Morris"
>>>>>> <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/1/2022 9:43 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/1/2022 9:01 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/30/2022 11:20 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/30/2022 9:58 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/27/2022 7:37 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 May 2022 22:30:10 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>>>>>>>>>>>> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2022 4:12 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2022 2:22 PM, William Hyde wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A fireproof copy of Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaid's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tail" has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> created.  The pages and cover are aluminum, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signatures bound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> metal wire, and the boards  of phenolic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A video of Ms Atwood taking a flamethrower to her book
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpsMsAMY4eM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> William Hyde
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. Still not going to read it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But her “Oryx and Crake” series is pretty good.  It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming
>>>>>>>>>>>>> genetic modification of everything, including humans.  The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pigs with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> human brain DNA bothered me the most.  I have been treed by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a hundred
>>>>>>>>>>>>> javelinas while hunting, I would hate to mess with them if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>> had intelligence.  I shot one of the javelinas with my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> .308, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rest of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them did not care.  A hundred javelinas and five rounds in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my gun
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> very bad match.  I now carry a pistol when hunting also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Crake-MaddAddam-Trilogy-Margaret-Atwood/dp/0385721676
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>    From the sound of things a few grenades might be in
>>>>>>>>>>>> order. And the
>>>>>>>>>>>> 155s on call.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's reserved for the feral hogs. Both will chase you up a
>>>>>>>>>>> tree
>>>>>>>>>>> but then the ferals will eat the tree to get to you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have always had the feral pigs run away from me, even in
>>>>>>>>>> packs of
>>>>>>>>>> 30 to 35.  They are fairly smart.  The javelina pigs are stupid,
>>>>>>>>>> travel in huge packs of a 100 or more, and always chase you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Must be the east verses west Texas pigs. I have had them strongly
>>>>>>>>> object   to my presence while backpacking/camping.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course, I am usually chasing them in a 4x4 pickup.  And
>>>>>>>> occasionally
>>>>>>>> shooting at them.  Or running them over with my truck.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would not go anywhere near them while on foot.  They are freaking
>>>>>>>> dangerous.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, were never intentional encounters. They're bigger and meaner
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> the boars I encountered in Germany.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmm, wonder how many can say they've been treed by pigs on two
>>>>>>> continents?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rotten Tomatoes suggests a documentary is opening this week on Texas
>>>>>> Wildlife Conservation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder what /it/ has to say about feral pigs and/or javelinas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kill them all.  We have an estimated 4 million feral pigs in Texas
>>>>> alone, increasing at a half million per year.  They will outnumber
>>>>> the 6
>>>>> million deer soon.
>>>>
>>>> That's a lot of live non-stock roaming about at will.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps fencing them in would help ...
>>>>
>>> Would cost more than Trump's Mexican Wall.  Have to be tougher too.  :P
>>>
>>>> or maybe gene therapy to reduce reproductive success.
>>>
>>> I'm not sticking it with a needle!  You stick it with a needle first!
>>
>> No freaking way.  I have inoculated calves before.  It is a surprising
>> difficult maneuver.
>>
> Then get used to feral hogs living on your front lawn.  :D

I shoot them and/or run them over with my truck every chance I get. I
don't mind the 10 or 12 deer that live on my property but the feral pigs
are incredibly destructive. I got one of the mamas in Jan 2021 and they
come around a lot less now.

Lynn

On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:06:51 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 6/9/2022 6:26 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> > On 6/9/2022 12:41 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >> On 6/3/2022 2:52 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> >>> On 6/3/2022 8:44 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 14:23:27 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> >>>> <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 6/2/2022 10:48 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> >>>>>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 22:33:01 -0500, "Jay E. Morris"
> >>>>>> <mor...@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 6/1/2022 9:43 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 6/1/2022 9:01 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 5/30/2022 11:20 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/30/2022 9:58 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 5/27/2022 7:37 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 May 2022 22:30:10 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2022 4:12 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2022 2:22 PM, William Hyde wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A fireproof copy of Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaid's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tail" has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> created. The pages and cover are aluminum, the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signatures bound
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> metal wire, and the boards of phenolic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A video of Ms Atwood taking a flamethrower to her book
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpsMsAMY4eM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> William Hyde
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. Still not going to read it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lynn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But her “Oryx and Crake” series is pretty good. It is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> about the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> coming
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> genetic modification of everything, including humans. The
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> pigs with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> human brain DNA bothered me the most. I have been treed by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a hundred
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> javelinas while hunting, I would hate to mess with them if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> had intelligence. I shot one of the javelinas with my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> .308, the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> rest of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> them did not care. A hundred javelinas and five rounds in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> my gun
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> very bad match. I now carry a pistol when hunting also.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Crake-MaddAddam-Trilogy-Margaret-Atwood/dp/0385721676
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> From the sound of things a few grenades might be in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> order. And the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 155s on call.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> That's reserved for the feral hogs. Both will chase you up a
> >>>>>>>>>>> tree
> >>>>>>>>>>> but then the ferals will eat the tree to get to you.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I have always had the feral pigs run away from me, even in
> >>>>>>>>>> packs of
> >>>>>>>>>> 30 to 35. They are fairly smart. The javelina pigs are stupid,
> >>>>>>>>>> travel in huge packs of a 100 or more, and always chase you.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Lynn
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Must be the east verses west Texas pigs. I have had them strongly
> >>>>>>>>> object to my presence while backpacking/camping.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Of course, I am usually chasing them in a 4x4 pickup. And
> >>>>>>>> occasionally
> >>>>>>>> shooting at them. Or running them over with my truck.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I would not go anywhere near them while on foot. They are freaking
> >>>>>>>> dangerous.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yes, were never intentional encounters. They're bigger and meaner
> >>>>>>> than
> >>>>>>> the boars I encountered in Germany.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hmm, wonder how many can say they've been treed by pigs on two
> >>>>>>> continents?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rotten Tomatoes suggests a documentary is opening this week on Texas
> >>>>>> Wildlife Conservation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I wonder what /it/ has to say about feral pigs and/or javelinas.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kill them all. We have an estimated 4 million feral pigs in Texas
> >>>>> alone, increasing at a half million per year. They will outnumber
> >>>>> the 6
> >>>>> million deer soon.
> >>>>
> >>>> That's a lot of live non-stock roaming about at will.
> >>>>
> >>>> Perhaps fencing them in would help ...
> >>>>
> >>> Would cost more than Trump's Mexican Wall. Have to be tougher too. :P
> >>>
> >>>> or maybe gene therapy to reduce reproductive success.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not sticking it with a needle! You stick it with a needle first!
> >>
> >> No freaking way. I have inoculated calves before. It is a surprising
> >> difficult maneuver.
> >>
> > Then get used to feral hogs living on your front lawn. :D
> I shoot them and/or run them over with my truck every chance I get. I
> don't mind the 10 or 12 deer that live on my property but the feral pigs
> are incredibly destructive. I got one of the mamas in Jan 2021 and they
> come around a lot less now.

About 3 weeks ago my neighbor shot and killed a black bear on his property.
It had twice taken his chickens, and Animal Control cleared him to do so.
As a general rule, if a predator is killing your livestock, you can get permission
to take it out.

On 10/06/2022 01:51, Jay E. Morris wrote:
> On 6/8/2022 10:23 PM, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>> On 09/06/2022 01:14, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 6/8/2022 6:45 AM, Kevrob wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:32:53 AM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 6/8/2022 1:23 AM, Kevrob wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>>>> Herd all the nasty piggies to the border, and use them like sharks
>>>>>> on your
>>>>>> Evil Overlord HQ's moat?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Durned things can swim, though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5xqf5dOEXk&ab_channel=PatHanning
>>>>>>
>>>>> Two problems with that idea. One, how are you going to herd them? Two,
>>>>> how are you going to make them stay at the border?
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Not a serious suggestion.  If they could be herded, they could be
>>>> slaughtered
>>>> en masse.
>>>>
>>>> Now, shooting machine guns from helicopters has a certain style.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/feral-hog-helicopter-hunt-17127504.php
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Sounds like a job for the National Guard (assuming of course that all
>>> those gun owners in Texas aren't up to the job).
>>>
>>>
>> One of my hunting friends - who also hunted feral pigs with a bow and
>> arrow - said, "If you need a semi-automatic weapon, or a pistol,
>> you're not hunting, you're slaughtering something - probably monkeys".
>>
>>      Cheers,
>>          Gary    B-)
>
> That's kinda of the idea. You come across a group of 20-30 feral pigs
> the goal is to leave 0. Unless he's Hawkeye that's not happening.
>
Oh, I agree, we used - legally, there are ways to get permits - SLRs
when we were clearing a new section of a National Park of feral animals:
pigs, deer, brumbies.

And if we'd seen any cats or dogs - but not Dingoes - we'd've killed
them as well.

> He's probably just taking a pig or two for the meat. And yes, a feral
> pig can be processed, cooked, and eaten safely.

Again, yes, but I don't like being near them with only a bow to hand!!

Cheers,
Gary B-)

On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 14:41:42 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 6/3/2022 2:52 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 6/3/2022 8:44 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 14:23:27 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>>> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/2/2022 10:48 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 22:33:01 -0500, "Jay E. Morris"
>>>>> <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/1/2022 9:43 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/1/2022 9:01 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/30/2022 11:20 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/30/2022 9:58 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/27/2022 7:37 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 May 2022 22:30:10 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>>>>>>>>>>> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2022 4:12 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2022 2:22 PM, William Hyde wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A fireproof copy of Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaid's Tail"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> created.  The pages and cover are aluminum, the signatures
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> metal wire, and the boards  of phenolic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A video of Ms Atwood taking a flamethrower to her book can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpsMsAMY4eM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> William Hyde
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. Still not going to read it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But her “Oryx and Crake” series is pretty good.  It is about the
>>>>>>>>>>>> coming
>>>>>>>>>>>> genetic modification of everything, including humans.  The
>>>>>>>>>>>> pigs with
>>>>>>>>>>>> human brain DNA bothered me the most.  I have been treed by a
>>>>>>>>>>>> hundred
>>>>>>>>>>>> javelinas while hunting, I would hate to mess with them if they
>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>> had intelligence.  I shot one of the javelinas with my .308, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> rest of
>>>>>>>>>>>> them did not care.  A hundred javelinas and five rounds in my
>>>>>>>>>>>> gun
>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> very bad match.  I now carry a pistol when hunting also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Crake-MaddAddam-Trilogy-Margaret-Atwood/dp/0385721676
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    From the sound of things a few grenades might be in order.
>>>>>>>>>>> And the
>>>>>>>>>>> 155s on call.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's reserved for the feral hogs. Both will chase you up a tree
>>>>>>>>>> but then the ferals will eat the tree to get to you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have always had the feral pigs run away from me, even in packs of
>>>>>>>>> 30 to 35.  They are fairly smart.  The javelina pigs are stupid,
>>>>>>>>> travel in huge packs of a 100 or more, and always chase you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Must be the east verses west Texas pigs. I have had them strongly
>>>>>>>> object   to my presence while backpacking/camping.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course, I am usually chasing them in a 4x4 pickup.  And
>>>>>>> occasionally
>>>>>>> shooting at them.  Or running them over with my truck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would not go anywhere near them while on foot.  They are freaking
>>>>>>> dangerous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, were never intentional encounters. They're bigger and meaner than
>>>>>> the boars I encountered in Germany.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmm, wonder how many can say they've been treed by pigs on two
>>>>>> continents?
>>>>>
>>>>> Rotten Tomatoes suggests a documentary is opening this week on Texas
>>>>> Wildlife Conservation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder what /it/ has to say about feral pigs and/or javelinas.
>>>>
>>>> Kill them all.  We have an estimated 4 million feral pigs in Texas
>>>> alone, increasing at a half million per year.  They will outnumber the 6
>>>> million deer soon.
>>>
>>> That's a lot of live non-stock roaming about at will.
>>>
>>> Perhaps fencing them in would help ...
>>>
>> Would cost more than Trump's Mexican Wall.  Have to be tougher too.  :P
>>
>>> or maybe gene therapy to reduce reproductive success.
>>
>> I'm not sticking it with a needle!  You stick it with a needle first!
>
>No freaking way. I have inoculated calves before. It is a surprising
>difficult maneuver.

Oh, for Pete's sake.

Just get a tranquilizer gun that is able to put them down so they can
be tagged and instead deliver the fertility-suppressor that way.

No direct contact needed. And, since it involves a /gun/, it should be
something any Texan can manage to use.

Just not on gradeschoolers.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 19:11:24 -0000 (UTC), rkshullat@rosettacondot.com
wrote:

>Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> On 6/8/2022 6:45 AM, Kevrob wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:32:53 AM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> On 6/8/2022 1:23 AM, Kevrob wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>>> Herd all the nasty piggies to the border, and use them like sharks on your
>>>>> Evil Overlord HQ's moat?
>>>>>
>>>>> Durned things can swim, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5xqf5dOEXk&ab_channel=PatHanning
>>>>>
>>>> Two problems with that idea. One, how are you going to herd them? Two,
>>>> how are you going to make them stay at the border?
>>>> --
>>>
>>> Not a serious suggestion. If they could be herded, they could be slaughtered
>>> en masse.
>>>
>>> Now, shooting machine guns from helicopters has a certain style.
>>>
>>> https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/feral-hog-helicopter-hunt-17127504.php
>>>
>> Sounds like a job for the National Guard (assuming of course that all
>> those gun owners in Texas aren't up to the job).
>
>The problem is that the hogs don't stick to areas where hunting is legal.
>Our particular bunch move between our neighborhood (inside the city limits)
>and the neighboring Corps of Engineers land.

The boundary sounds like a good place for a fence. Or a Wall. Possibly
including land mines.

>Another problem is that killing them leaves you with a yard full of dead
>hogs that will soon become dead, rotting hogs. Butchering them leaves you
>with a bunch of meat and a pile of soon-to-be rotting hog bits.

>Enough sufficiently large predators might keep the hog population down, but
>they'd have their own issues (there's already enough whining about coyotes
>and ex-pets).

How large? Would a mountain lion (couger/panther/other names) do? Or
would velociraptors be more the thing?
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In article <2oq6ahtquc3kf4mf7nf3dlu1uauikiser8@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 19:11:24 -0000 (UTC), rkshullat@rosettacondot.com
> wrote:
>
> >Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> >> On 6/8/2022 6:45 AM, Kevrob wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:32:53 AM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On 6/8/2022 1:23 AM, Kevrob wrote:
> >>>
> >>> [snip]
> >>>
> >>>>> Herd all the nasty piggies to the border, and use them like sharks on
> >>>>> your
> >>>>> Evil Overlord HQ's moat?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Durned things can swim, though.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5xqf5dOEXk&ab_channel=PatHanning
> >>>>>
> >>>> Two problems with that idea. One, how are you going to herd them? Two,
> >>>> how are you going to make them stay at the border?
> >>>> --
> >>>
> >>> Not a serious suggestion. If they could be herded, they could be
> >>> slaughtered
> >>> en masse.
> >>>
> >>> Now, shooting machine guns from helicopters has a certain style.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/feral-ho
> >>> g-helicopter-hunt-17127504.php
> >>>
> >> Sounds like a job for the National Guard (assuming of course that all
> >> those gun owners in Texas aren't up to the job).
> >
> >The problem is that the hogs don't stick to areas where hunting is legal.
> >Our particular bunch move between our neighborhood (inside the city limits)
> >and the neighboring Corps of Engineers land.
>
> The boundary sounds like a good place for a fence. Or a Wall. Possibly
> including land mines.
>
> >Another problem is that killing them leaves you with a yard full of dead
> >hogs that will soon become dead, rotting hogs. Butchering them leaves you
> >with a bunch of meat and a pile of soon-to-be rotting hog bits.
>
> >Enough sufficiently large predators might keep the hog population down, but
> >they'd have their own issues (there's already enough whining about coyotes
> >and ex-pets).
>
> How large? Would a mountain lion (couger/panther/other names) do? Or
> would velociraptors be more the thing?

I don't think cougars or jaguars (except possibly for especially large
South American jaguars) are big enough to tackle feral boars. It appears
that wolf packs were the primary predator of wild pigs in Eurasia.

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On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 12:00:07 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 14:41:42 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On 6/3/2022 2:52 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> >> On 6/3/2022 8:44 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 14:23:27 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> >>> <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 6/2/2022 10:48 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 22:33:01 -0500, "Jay E. Morris"
> >>>>> <mor...@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 6/1/2022 9:43 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 6/1/2022 9:01 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 5/30/2022 11:20 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 5/30/2022 9:58 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/27/2022 7:37 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 May 2022 22:30:10 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> >>>>>>>>>>> <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2022 4:12 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2022 2:22 PM, William Hyde wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A fireproof copy of Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaid's Tail"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> created. The pages and cover are aluminum, the signatures
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bound
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> metal wire, and the boards of phenolic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A video of Ms Atwood taking a flamethrower to her book can be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpsMsAMY4eM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> William Hyde
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. Still not going to read it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lynn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> But her “Oryx and Crake” series is pretty good. It is about the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> coming
> >>>>>>>>>>>> genetic modification of everything, including humans. The
> >>>>>>>>>>>> pigs with
> >>>>>>>>>>>> human brain DNA bothered me the most. I have been treed by a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> hundred
> >>>>>>>>>>>> javelinas while hunting, I would hate to mess with them if they
> >>>>>>>>>>>> actually
> >>>>>>>>>>>> had intelligence. I shot one of the javelinas with my .308, the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rest of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> them did not care. A hundred javelinas and five rounds in my
> >>>>>>>>>>>> gun
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> very bad match. I now carry a pistol when hunting also.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Crake-MaddAddam-Trilogy-Margaret-Atwood/dp/0385721676
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> From the sound of things a few grenades might be in order.
> >>>>>>>>>>> And the
> >>>>>>>>>>> 155s on call.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> That's reserved for the feral hogs. Both will chase you up a tree
> >>>>>>>>>> but then the ferals will eat the tree to get to you.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I have always had the feral pigs run away from me, even in packs of
> >>>>>>>>> 30 to 35. They are fairly smart. The javelina pigs are stupid,
> >>>>>>>>> travel in huge packs of a 100 or more, and always chase you.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Lynn
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Must be the east verses west Texas pigs. I have had them strongly
> >>>>>>>> object to my presence while backpacking/camping.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Of course, I am usually chasing them in a 4x4 pickup. And
> >>>>>>> occasionally
> >>>>>>> shooting at them. Or running them over with my truck.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I would not go anywhere near them while on foot. They are freaking
> >>>>>>> dangerous.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yes, were never intentional encounters. They're bigger and meaner than
> >>>>>> the boars I encountered in Germany.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hmm, wonder how many can say they've been treed by pigs on two
> >>>>>> continents?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rotten Tomatoes suggests a documentary is opening this week on Texas
> >>>>> Wildlife Conservation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I wonder what /it/ has to say about feral pigs and/or javelinas.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kill them all. We have an estimated 4 million feral pigs in Texas
> >>>> alone, increasing at a half million per year. They will outnumber the 6
> >>>> million deer soon.
> >>>
> >>> That's a lot of live non-stock roaming about at will.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps fencing them in would help ...
> >>>
> >> Would cost more than Trump's Mexican Wall. Have to be tougher too. :P
> >>
> >>> or maybe gene therapy to reduce reproductive success.
> >>
> >> I'm not sticking it with a needle! You stick it with a needle first!
> >
> >No freaking way. I have inoculated calves before. It is a surprising
> >difficult maneuver.
> Oh, for Pete's sake.
>
> Just get a tranquilizer gun that is able to put them down so they can
> be tagged and instead deliver the fertility-suppressor that way.

Why are you objecting to killing them?

Lynn wants something to stop them damaging his property NOW.
He doesn't want to wait for them die of old age (10-14 years in
the wild).

Pt