On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 9:40:33 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <t8rh6k$hrd$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >On 6/20/2022 7:02 PM, Magewolf wrote:
> >> On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 16:04:38 -0700, Ahasuerus wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 12:54:10 PM UTC-4, Robert Woodward wrote:
> >>>> In article <t8psis$dc$1...@reader1.panix.com>, jdni...@panix.com (James
> >>>> Nicoll) wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> In article <t8ooc1$kv2$1...@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "William Gibson, Jules Verne, H.G. Wells, Robert Heinlein, Ursula K.
> >>>>>> Le Guin, Arthur C. Clarke, Frank Herbert, John Ringo, Isaac Asimov,
> >>>>>> Ray Bradbury, and Philip K. Dick."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One of these things is not like the others, one of these things
> >>>>> doesn't belong...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I assume Ringo is the curator's friend?
> >>>> Just how is he uniquely unlike the others? [snip]
> >>>
> >>> Well, we don't know what criteria the compiler used, so we can't tell
> >>> whether the chosen authors meet the criteria. It's like trying to answer
> >>> the question "What do Harlan Ellison, Roger Zelazny, George Alec
> >>> Effinger, Lois McMaster Bujold and R. A. MacAvoy have in common?"
> >>
> >> He might be going by being known outside the fandom bubble. William
> >> Gibson has the techy crowd, Jules Verne and H.G. Wells are famous authors
> >> "claimed" by SF, Robert Heinlein and Isaac Asimov both became famous by
> >> breaking out of the bubble with their books, Arthur C. Clarke broke out
> >> with books and then exploded with the movies, Ursula K.Le Guin has
> >> academia, Ray Bradbury broke out with books has academia and TV and
> >> movies, Frank Herbert has Dune and all the multimedia chaos around it,
> >> Philip K. Dick has movies and some academia, and John Ringo seems to be
> >> much more popular outside the field than he is in it.
> >>
> >> But even then it is a strange list and I would have dropped at least
> >> three names to get King,Tolkien and Martin on it.
> >
> >King is Horror, Tolkien and Martin are Fantasy.
> >
> Martin had his Thousand Worlds, although I don't think he's had a story in
> that setting for a while:
>
> Dying of the Light (novel)
> Tuff Voyaging (fix-up)
>
> A Song for Lya
> And Seven Times Never Kill Man
> Bitterblooms
> Dark, Dark Were the Tunnels
> In the House of the Worm
> Men of Greywater Station
> Nightflyers
> Sandkings
> Starlady
> The Glass Flower
> The Hero
> The Stone City
> This Tower of Ashes
> Warship (with with George Guthridge)
> With Morning Comes Mistfall

I'm not that familiar with most of GRRM's work, but of ones I *know* to
be SF, Martin won a Hugo for 'A Song for Lya', and both Hugo and Nebula
for 'Sandkings'

I'd say that alone makes him a significant SF author.

pt

In article <e757e8aa-e9b4-4ea8-b53e-7305c8b61ddan@googlegroups.com>,
pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 9:40:33 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
>> In article <t8rh6k$hrd$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>> >On 6/20/2022 7:02 PM, Magewolf wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 16:04:38 -0700, Ahasuerus wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 12:54:10 PM UTC-4, Robert Woodward wrote:
>> >>>> In article <t8psis$dc$1...@reader1.panix.com>, jdni...@panix.com (James
>> >>>> Nicoll) wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> In article <t8ooc1$kv2$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> >>>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> "William Gibson, Jules Verne, H.G. Wells, Robert Heinlein, Ursula K.
>> >>>>>> Le Guin, Arthur C. Clarke, Frank Herbert, John Ringo, Isaac Asimov,
>> >>>>>> Ray Bradbury, and Philip K. Dick."
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> One of these things is not like the others, one of these things
>> >>>>> doesn't belong...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I assume Ringo is the curator's friend?
>> >>>> Just how is he uniquely unlike the others? [snip]
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, we don't know what criteria the compiler used, so we can't tell
>> >>> whether the chosen authors meet the criteria. It's like trying to answer
>> >>> the question "What do Harlan Ellison, Roger Zelazny, George Alec
>> >>> Effinger, Lois McMaster Bujold and R. A. MacAvoy have in common?"
>> >>
>> >> He might be going by being known outside the fandom bubble. William
>> >> Gibson has the techy crowd, Jules Verne and H.G. Wells are famous authors
>> >> "claimed" by SF, Robert Heinlein and Isaac Asimov both became famous by
>> >> breaking out of the bubble with their books, Arthur C. Clarke broke out
>> >> with books and then exploded with the movies, Ursula K.Le Guin has
>> >> academia, Ray Bradbury broke out with books has academia and TV and
>> >> movies, Frank Herbert has Dune and all the multimedia chaos around it,
>> >> Philip K. Dick has movies and some academia, and John Ringo seems to be
>> >> much more popular outside the field than he is in it.
>> >>
>> >> But even then it is a strange list and I would have dropped at least
>> >> three names to get King,Tolkien and Martin on it.
>> >
>> >King is Horror, Tolkien and Martin are Fantasy.
>> >
>> Martin had his Thousand Worlds, although I don't think he's had a story in
>> that setting for a while:
>>
>> Dying of the Light (novel)
>> Tuff Voyaging (fix-up)
>>
>> A Song for Lya
>> And Seven Times Never Kill Man
>> Bitterblooms
>> Dark, Dark Were the Tunnels
>> In the House of the Worm
>> Men of Greywater Station
>> Nightflyers
>> Sandkings
>> Starlady
>> The Glass Flower
>> The Hero
>> The Stone City
>> This Tower of Ashes
>> Warship (with with George Guthridge)
>> With Morning Comes Mistfall
>
>I'm not that familiar with most of GRRM's work, but of ones I *know* to
>be SF, Martin won a Hugo for 'A Song for Lya', and both Hugo and Nebula
>for 'Sandkings'
>
>I'd say that alone makes him a significant SF author.
>
>pt
>

I saw him at a signing in a Borders in Overland Park KS sometime in the 90s
(Before "Thrones"). He had an amusing story about the filming of "Sandkings"
and how he was always hearing from people congratulating him who loved
various parts of the show which had nothing to do with the story..
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In article <e757e8aa-e9b4-4ea8-b53e-7305c8b61ddan@googlegroups.com>,
pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 9:40:33 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
>> In article <t8rh6k$hrd$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>> >On 6/20/2022 7:02 PM, Magewolf wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 16:04:38 -0700, Ahasuerus wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 12:54:10 PM UTC-4, Robert Woodward wrote:
>> >>>> In article <t8psis$dc$1...@reader1.panix.com>, jdni...@panix.com (James
>> >>>> Nicoll) wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> In article <t8ooc1$kv2$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> >>>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> "William Gibson, Jules Verne, H.G. Wells, Robert Heinlein, Ursula K.
>> >>>>>> Le Guin, Arthur C. Clarke, Frank Herbert, John Ringo, Isaac Asimov,
>> >>>>>> Ray Bradbury, and Philip K. Dick."
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> One of these things is not like the others, one of these things
>> >>>>> doesn't belong...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I assume Ringo is the curator's friend?
>> >>>> Just how is he uniquely unlike the others? [snip]
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, we don't know what criteria the compiler used, so we can't tell
>> >>> whether the chosen authors meet the criteria. It's like trying to answer
>> >>> the question "What do Harlan Ellison, Roger Zelazny, George Alec
>> >>> Effinger, Lois McMaster Bujold and R. A. MacAvoy have in common?"
>> >>
>> >> He might be going by being known outside the fandom bubble. William
>> >> Gibson has the techy crowd, Jules Verne and H.G. Wells are famous authors
>> >> "claimed" by SF, Robert Heinlein and Isaac Asimov both became famous by
>> >> breaking out of the bubble with their books, Arthur C. Clarke broke out
>> >> with books and then exploded with the movies, Ursula K.Le Guin has
>> >> academia, Ray Bradbury broke out with books has academia and TV and
>> >> movies, Frank Herbert has Dune and all the multimedia chaos around it,
>> >> Philip K. Dick has movies and some academia, and John Ringo seems to be
>> >> much more popular outside the field than he is in it.
>> >>
>> >> But even then it is a strange list and I would have dropped at least
>> >> three names to get King,Tolkien and Martin on it.
>> >
>> >King is Horror, Tolkien and Martin are Fantasy.
>> >
>> Martin had his Thousand Worlds, although I don't think he's had a story in
>> that setting for a while:
>>
>> Dying of the Light (novel)
>> Tuff Voyaging (fix-up)
>>
>> A Song for Lya
>> And Seven Times Never Kill Man
>> Bitterblooms
>> Dark, Dark Were the Tunnels
>> In the House of the Worm
>> Men of Greywater Station
>> Nightflyers
>> Sandkings
>> Starlady
>> The Glass Flower
>> The Hero
>> The Stone City
>> This Tower of Ashes
>> Warship (with with George Guthridge)
>> With Morning Comes Mistfall
>
>I'm not that familiar with most of GRRM's work, but of ones I *know* to
>be SF, Martin won a Hugo for 'A Song for Lya', and both Hugo and Nebula
>for 'Sandkings'
>
>I'd say that alone makes him a significant SF author.

Also, Wild Cards is SFnal and notable for being a shared world project
whose wheels have not yet irrepairably come off.
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In article <robertaw-B360E3.09540520062022@news.individual.net>,
Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:

> In article <t8psis$dc$1@reader1.panix.com>,
> jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>
> > In article <t8ooc1$kv2$1@dont-email.me>,
> > Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >"William Gibson, Jules Verne, H.G. Wells, Robert Heinlein, Ursula K. Le
> > >Guin, Arthur C. Clarke, Frank Herbert, John Ringo, Isaac Asimov, Ray
> > >Bradbury, and Philip K. Dick."
> >
> > One of these things is not like the others, one of these things doesn't
> > belong...
> >
> > I assume Ringo is the curator's friend?
>
> Just how is he uniquely unlike the others? IIRC, 9 of the 11 have died
> (he and Gibson are the exceptions). He hasn't received a Hugo or Nebula
> award, but neither did Verne and Wells (not being alive while such were
> being handed out). I haven't found a mention of a Hugo or Nebula award
> for Ray Bradbury, Retro-Hugos yes. Ringo has been published by Baen
> Books, but Baen Books has also reprinted Robert Heinlein.
>
> I have been handed a note "First publication in the 21st Century".

Upon checking the ISFDB, I have found his first publication listed there
was in 2000 which was the last year of the 20th century. However, that
is over 2 decades after William Gibson's first publication.

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On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 09:54:05 -0700, Robert Woodward
<robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:

>In article <t8psis$dc$1@reader1.panix.com>,
> jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>
>> In article <t8ooc1$kv2$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"William Gibson, Jules Verne, H.G. Wells, Robert Heinlein, Ursula K. Le
>> >Guin, Arthur C. Clarke, Frank Herbert, John Ringo, Isaac Asimov, Ray
>> >Bradbury, and Philip K. Dick."
>>
>> One of these things is not like the others, one of these things doesn't
>> belong...
>>
>> I assume Ringo is the curator's friend?
>
>Just how is he uniquely unlike the others? IIRC, 9 of the 11 have died
>(he and Gibson are the exceptions). He hasn't received a Hugo or Nebula
>award, but neither did Verne and Wells (not being alive while such were
>being handed out). I haven't found a mention of a Hugo or Nebula award
>for Ray Bradbury, Retro-Hugos yes. Ringo has been published by Baen
>Books, but Baen Books has also reprinted Robert Heinlein.
>
>I have been handed a note "First publication in the 21st Century".

Merde - I hadn't heard Ursula le Guiin had died (2018 according to
Google) Of those living you might persuade me on Spider Robinson.

On 2022-06-21 7:21 a.m., Jack Bohn wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 12:52:32 AM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 6/20/2022 11:24 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 6/20/2022 7:02 PM, Magewolf wrote:
>>>>
>>>> But even then it is a strange list and I would have dropped at least
>>>> three names to get King,Tolkien and Martin on it.
>>>
>>> King is Horror, Tolkien and Martin are Fantasy.
>> Horror is Dark Fantasy.
>> http://leepers.us/evelyn/faqs/sf-written.htm
>
> But still, the list calls for science fiction.
> Of which, Martin has written some in the '70s and '80s, at least.

But nothing that deserves being put on a list of the greats.

On 2022-06-20 12:10 p.m., Andrew McDowell wrote:
> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 4:09:03 PM UTC+1, artyw2@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 10:08:55 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> “10 Famous Science Fiction Authors”
>>> https://studyfy.com/blog/the-10-best-sci-fi-authors-of-all-time
>>>
>>> “Science fiction is one of the most popular genres of entertainment in
>>> the world today. It has grown from a niche interest 100 years ago into a
>>> multibillion-dollar industry. Now almost every single person on the
>>> planet has either read or watched something related to science fiction.
>>> Its importance is only going to grow in the future. In this article,
>>> we’ll take a look at some of the best sci-fi authors of all time. We’ll
>>> go back to the beginnings of science fiction. We’ll take a look at the
>>> big three of science fiction. We’ll cover the writers who have impacted
>>> the field most strongly. Along this journey, you will come across some
>>> of their best works which are considered the top sci fi books of all time.”
>>>
>>> "William Gibson, Jules Verne, H.G. Wells, Robert Heinlein, Ursula K. Le
>>> Guin, Arthur C. Clarke, Frank Herbert, John Ringo, Isaac Asimov, Ray
>>> Bradbury, and Philip K. Dick."
>> I have read 10/11 of those authors which is better than I usually do with these lists. Perhaps they have a Ringo book at the library...
>
> I can wholeheartedly recommend the Looking Glass series, of which Ringo is a co-author for some and I think only author for others.

Is that one of those annoying "Humans are the only species who can fight
except for the bad guys" series?

On Monday, 20 June 2022 at 04:08:55 UTC+1, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> “10 Famous Science Fiction Authors”
> https://studyfy.com/blog/the-10-best-sci-fi-authors-of-all-time
>
> “Science fiction is one of the most popular genres of entertainment in
> the world today. It has grown from a niche interest 100 years ago into a
> multibillion-dollar industry. Now almost every single person on the
> planet has either read or watched something related to science fiction.
> Its importance is only going to grow in the future. In this article,
> we’ll take a look at some of the best sci-fi authors of all time. We’ll
> go back to the beginnings of science fiction. We’ll take a look at the
> big three of science fiction. We’ll cover the writers who have impacted
> the field most strongly. Along this journey, you will come across some
> of their best works which are considered the top sci fi books of all time..”
>
> "William Gibson, Jules Verne, H.G. Wells, Robert Heinlein, Ursula K. Le
> Guin, Arthur C. Clarke, Frank Herbert, John Ringo, Isaac Asimov, Ray
> Bradbury, and Philip K. Dick."
>
> Yup, that is eleven, not ten. And that is a great group. I would like
> to add David Weber and Orson Scott Card to the group.

We're offered variously "Famous science fiction authors",
"Some of the best sci-fi authors", and "The top sci fi books
of all time".

I'm therefore reviving, I expect, a suggestion that John Ringo
is mainly famous for being two of The Beatles.

On 6/25/2022 2:16 PM, David Johnston wrote:
> On 2022-06-20 12:10 p.m., Andrew McDowell wrote:
>> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 4:09:03 PM UTC+1, artyw2@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 10:08:55 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> “10 Famous Science Fiction Authors”
>>>> https://studyfy.com/blog/the-10-best-sci-fi-authors-of-all-time
>>>>
>>>> “Science fiction is one of the most popular genres of entertainment in
>>>> the world today. It has grown from a niche interest 100 years ago
>>>> into a
>>>> multibillion-dollar industry. Now almost every single person on the
>>>> planet has either read or watched something related to science fiction.
>>>> Its importance is only going to grow in the future. In this article,
>>>> we’ll take a look at some of the best sci-fi authors of all time. We’ll
>>>> go back to the beginnings of science fiction. We’ll take a look at the
>>>> big three of science fiction. We’ll cover the writers who have impacted
>>>> the field most strongly. Along this journey, you will come across some
>>>> of their best works which are considered the top sci fi books of all
>>>> time.”
>>>>
>>>> "William Gibson, Jules Verne, H.G. Wells, Robert Heinlein, Ursula K. Le
>>>> Guin, Arthur C. Clarke, Frank Herbert, John Ringo, Isaac Asimov, Ray
>>>> Bradbury, and Philip K. Dick."
>>> I have read 10/11 of those authors which is better than I usually do
>>> with these lists. Perhaps they have a Ringo book at the library...
>>
>> I can wholeheartedly recommend the Looking Glass series, of which
>> Ringo is a co-author for some and I think only author for others.
>
> Is that one of those annoying "Humans are the only species who can fight
> except for the bad guys" series?

No, other species out there can fight too.

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