Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space/

Teens: cheap, plentiful, and notoriously poor at judging risk: why _not_
send them on dangerous missions in space?
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In article <t9ch5s$c18$1@panix3.panix.com>,
jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:

> Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
> https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space/
>
> Teens: cheap, plentiful, and notoriously poor at judging risk: why _not_
> send them on dangerous missions in space?

You started with _Rocket Ship Galileo_ (most of Heinlein's juveniles had
teenagers or younger in space), is it the oldest teens in space novel?

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In article <robertaw-9D1887.10045427062022@news.individual.net>,
Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
>In article <t9ch5s$c18$1@panix3.panix.com>,
> jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>
>> Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
>> https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space/
>>
>> Teens: cheap, plentiful, and notoriously poor at judging risk: why _not_
>> send them on dangerous missions in space?
>
>You started with _Rocket Ship Galileo_ (most of Heinlein's juveniles had
>teenagers or younger in space), is it the oldest teens in space novel?

I would be astounded if it was. It would be fantastic if thrilling wonder
stories about teens in space did not predate RSG since teens were the main
market for early SF.

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On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 1:05:00 PM UTC-4, Robert Woodward wrote:
> In article <t9ch5s$c18$1...@panix3.panix.com>,
> jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>
> > Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
> > https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space/
> >
> > Teens: cheap, plentiful, and notoriously poor at judging risk: why _not_
> > send them on dangerous missions in space?
> You started with _Rocket Ship Galileo_ (most of Heinlein's juveniles had
> teenagers or younger in space), is it the oldest teens in space novel?

https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/doughty_francis_w mentions
"Two Boys' Trip to an Unknown Planet" (1889). The text is available at
https://archive.org/details/twoboystriptounk0174mont_u0c1/page/n1/mode/2up

On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 4:08:48 PM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
> https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space/
>
> Teens: cheap, plentiful, and notoriously poor at judging risk: why _not_
> send them on dangerous missions in space?
> --
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> My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
> My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
> My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll
This would be almost a perfect introduction to "The Only Neat Thing to Do", by James Tiptree Jr.

Every time I search to check a reference to this I find that it is big in Japan - today's search found https://tanoshimi.xyz/2016/11/29/yes-sadpanda-is-one-of-my-sources/

On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 17:11:34 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:

>In article <robertaw-9D1887.10045427062022@news.individual.net>,
>Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
>>In article <t9ch5s$c18$1@panix3.panix.com>,
>> jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>>
>>> Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
>>> https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space/
>>>
>>> Teens: cheap, plentiful, and notoriously poor at judging risk: why _not_
>>> send them on dangerous missions in space?
>>
>>You started with _Rocket Ship Galileo_ (most of Heinlein's juveniles had
>>teenagers or younger in space), is it the oldest teens in space novel?
>
>I would be astounded if it was. It would be fantastic if thrilling wonder
>stories about teens in space did not predate RSG since teens were the main
>market for early SF.

And there's those stories Heinlein wrote for Boy's Life the Boy Scouts
of America magazine.....

On 6/27/2022 10:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
> https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space/
>
> Teens: cheap, plentiful, and notoriously poor at judging risk: why _not_
> send them on dangerous missions in space?

How about a story of sending teens back from space to a nuclear war
ravaged Earth ? They even made a tv show of it. "The 100" by Kass Morgan.
https://www.amazon.com/100-Kass-Morgan/dp/0316234494/

Lynn

On 6/27/2022 10:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
> https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space/
>
> Teens: cheap, plentiful, and notoriously poor at judging risk: why _not_
> send them on dangerous missions in space?

I have read the "Rocketship Galileo" of course. Maybe the Vonda
McIntyre book, I am not sure.

John Varley's "Red Thunder" is wonderful addition to this group.
https://www.amazon.com/Red-Thunder-Lightning-Novel/dp/0441011624/

Lynn

On 6/27/2022 12:45 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 6/27/2022 10:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>> Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
>> https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space/
>>
>>
>> Teens: cheap, plentiful, and notoriously poor at judging risk: why _not_
>> send them on dangerous missions in space?
>
> How about a story of sending teens back from space to a nuclear war
> ravaged Earth ?  They even made a tv show of it.  "The 100" by Kass Morgan.
>   https://www.amazon.com/100-Kass-Morgan/dp/0316234494/
>
Please post that in the rec.arts.TV group. I could use the
entertainment I'd get from some of the responses from regulars there. :D

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dirty old man.

On 6/27/2022 3:47 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 6/27/2022 12:45 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 6/27/2022 10:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
>>> https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space/
>>>
>>>
>>> Teens: cheap, plentiful, and notoriously poor at judging risk: why _not_
>>> send them on dangerous missions in space?
>>
>> How about a story of sending teens back from space to a nuclear war
>> ravaged Earth ?  They even made a tv show of it.  "The 100" by Kass
>> Morgan.
>>    https://www.amazon.com/100-Kass-Morgan/dp/0316234494/
>>
> Please post that in the rec.arts.TV group.  I could use the
> entertainment I'd get from some of the responses from regulars there.  :D

Hey, "The 100" tv show went seven seasons with 100 episodes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100_(TV_series)

I am not sure if the book series was written before or after the tv
show. Looks like the first book in the series preceded the tv show.
You can watch all seven seasons of the tv show on Netflix.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100_(novel_series)

Lynn

On 6/27/2022 3:47 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 6/27/2022 12:45 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 6/27/2022 10:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
>>> https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space/
>>>
>>>
>>> Teens: cheap, plentiful, and notoriously poor at judging risk: why _not_
>>> send them on dangerous missions in space?
>>
>> How about a story of sending teens back from space to a nuclear war
>> ravaged Earth ?  They even made a tv show of it.  "The 100" by Kass
>> Morgan.
>>    https://www.amazon.com/100-Kass-Morgan/dp/0316234494/
>>
> Please post that in the rec.arts.TV group.  I could use the
> entertainment I'd get from some of the responses from regulars there.  :D

Hey, "The 100" tv show went seven seasons with 100 episodes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100_(TV_series)

I am not sure if the book series was written before or after the tv
show. Looks like the first book in the series preceded the tv show.
You can watch all seven seasons of the tv show on Netflix.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100_(novel_series)

Lynn

On 6/27/2022 2:09 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 6/27/2022 3:47 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 6/27/2022 12:45 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 6/27/2022 10:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>> Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
>>>> https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Teens: cheap, plentiful, and notoriously poor at judging risk: why
>>>> _not_
>>>> send them on dangerous missions in space?
>>>
>>> How about a story of sending teens back from space to a nuclear war
>>> ravaged Earth ?  They even made a tv show of it.  "The 100" by Kass
>>> Morgan.
>>>    https://www.amazon.com/100-Kass-Morgan/dp/0316234494/
>>>
>> Please post that in the rec.arts.TV group.  I could use the
>> entertainment I'd get from some of the responses from regulars there.  :D
>
> Hey, "The 100" tv show went seven seasons with 100 episodes.
>    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100_(TV_series)
>
> I am not sure if the book series was written before or after the tv
> show.  Looks like the first book in the series preceded the tv show. You
> can watch all seven seasons of the tv show on Netflix.
>    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100_(novel_series)
>
The books definitely came before because the show credits included an
"inspired by" credit for them. But as with most adaptations the show
had little to do with the books beyond the title. From a report by one
of the regulars in r.a.tv the entire book series covers the first 24
hours after landing on Earth. Dat's it. And apparently was almost all
teen angst soap opera. :D

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On 6/27/2022 2:09 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 6/27/2022 3:47 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 6/27/2022 12:45 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 6/27/2022 10:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>> Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
>>>> https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Teens: cheap, plentiful, and notoriously poor at judging risk: why
>>>> _not_
>>>> send them on dangerous missions in space?
>>>
>>> How about a story of sending teens back from space to a nuclear war
>>> ravaged Earth ?  They even made a tv show of it.  "The 100" by Kass
>>> Morgan.
>>>    https://www.amazon.com/100-Kass-Morgan/dp/0316234494/
>>>
>> Please post that in the rec.arts.TV group.  I could use the
>> entertainment I'd get from some of the responses from regulars there.  :D
>
> Hey, "The 100" tv show went seven seasons with 100 episodes.
>    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100_(TV_series)
>
> I am not sure if the book series was written before or after the tv
> show.  Looks like the first book in the series preceded the tv show. You
> can watch all seven seasons of the tv show on Netflix.
>    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100_(novel_series)
>
The books definitely came before because the show credits included an
"inspired by" credit for them. But as with most adaptations the show
had little to do with the books beyond the title. From a report by one
of the regulars in r.a.tv the entire book series covers the first 24
hours after landing on Earth. Dat's it. And apparently was almost all
teen angst soap opera. :D

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On 6/27/2022 6:05 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 6/27/2022 2:09 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 6/27/2022 3:47 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 6/27/2022 12:45 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 6/27/2022 10:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>>> Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
>>>>> https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Teens: cheap, plentiful, and notoriously poor at judging risk: why
>>>>> _not_
>>>>> send them on dangerous missions in space?
>>>>
>>>> How about a story of sending teens back from space to a nuclear war
>>>> ravaged Earth ?  They even made a tv show of it.  "The 100" by Kass
>>>> Morgan.
>>>>    https://www.amazon.com/100-Kass-Morgan/dp/0316234494/
>>>>
>>> Please post that in the rec.arts.TV group.  I could use the
>>> entertainment I'd get from some of the responses from regulars
>>> there.  :D
>>
>> Hey, "The 100" tv show went seven seasons with 100 episodes.
>>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100_(TV_series)
>>
>> I am not sure if the book series was written before or after the tv
>> show.  Looks like the first book in the series preceded the tv show.
>> You can watch all seven seasons of the tv show on Netflix.
>>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100_(novel_series)
>>
> The books definitely came before because the show credits included an
> "inspired by" credit for them.  But as with most adaptations the show
> had little to do with the books beyond the title.  From a report by one
> of the regulars in r.a.tv the entire book series covers the first 24
> hours after landing on Earth.  Dat's it.  And apparently was almost all
> teen angst soap opera.  :D
>
Apologies for the double post, software error.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 18:30:50 UTC+1, Ahasuerus wrote:
> On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 1:05:00 PM UTC-4, Robert Woodward wrote:
> > In article <t9ch5s$c18$1...@panix3.panix.com>,
> > jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
> >
> > > Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
> > > https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space/
> > >
> > > Teens: cheap, plentiful, and notoriously poor at judging risk: why _not_
> > > send them on dangerous missions in space?
> > You started with _Rocket Ship Galileo_ (most of Heinlein's juveniles had
> > teenagers or younger in space), is it the oldest teens in space novel?
> https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/doughty_francis_w mentions
> "Two Boys' Trip to an Unknown Planet" (1889). The text is available at
> https://archive.org/details/twoboystriptounk0174mont_u0c1/page/n1/mode/2up

That beats my bids, _Adrift in the Stratosphere_ (1937) -
whose cast may not be teens: they have motorcycles -
(<https://www.tor.com/2022/04/13/accidental-adventure-adrift-in-the-stratosphere-by-professor-a-m-low/>)
and, at the risk of spoiling _The First Men in the Moon_
(1900-1901) - best read as dark comedy - "a lean little boy",
probably not a teen, who gets a ride in the moon-ship.

You may have an unfair advantage. :-)

On 6/27/2022 8:08 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 6/27/2022 6:05 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 6/27/2022 2:09 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 6/27/2022 3:47 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> On 6/27/2022 12:45 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>> On 6/27/2022 10:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>>>> Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
>>>>>> https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Teens: cheap, plentiful, and notoriously poor at judging risk: why
>>>>>> _not_
>>>>>> send them on dangerous missions in space?
>>>>>
>>>>> How about a story of sending teens back from space to a nuclear war
>>>>> ravaged Earth ?  They even made a tv show of it.  "The 100" by Kass
>>>>> Morgan.
>>>>>    https://www.amazon.com/100-Kass-Morgan/dp/0316234494/
>>>>>
>>>> Please post that in the rec.arts.TV group.  I could use the
>>>> entertainment I'd get from some of the responses from regulars
>>>> there.  :D
>>>
>>> Hey, "The 100" tv show went seven seasons with 100 episodes.
>>>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100_(TV_series)
>>>
>>> I am not sure if the book series was written before or after the tv
>>> show.  Looks like the first book in the series preceded the tv show.
>>> You can watch all seven seasons of the tv show on Netflix.
>>>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100_(novel_series)
>>>
>> The books definitely came before because the show credits included an
>> "inspired by" credit for them.  But as with most adaptations the show
>> had little to do with the books beyond the title.  From a report by
>> one of the regulars in r.a.tv the entire book series covers the first
>> 24 hours after landing on Earth.  Dat's it.  And apparently was almost
>> all teen angst soap opera.  :D
>>
> Apologies for the double post, software error.

Yup, something is going on at Eternal September.

Lynn

On 2022-06-27, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey, "The 100" tv show went seven seasons with 100 episodes.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100_(TV_series)

I think I saw some of that. The first season maybe? It was your
standard "shot in and around Vancouver" SF series. The teen angle
allowed the casting of a lot of twenty-somethings at the start of
their career, when they are cheap. The lead was imported from
Australia. IIRC, in the first episode her Australian accent broke
through a few times, afterwards she passed for North American, at
least to my ear.

Anyway, it was on US network TV, so it was very generic.

> I am not sure if the book series was written before or after the tv
> show.

The TV show was definitely marketed as based on a book.

--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

In article <f51kbh94a1sp75tlhh9oovhmbgg46154oo@4ax.com>,
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 17:11:34 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
> Nicoll) wrote:
>
> >In article <robertaw-9D1887.10045427062022@news.individual.net>,
> >Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
> >>In article <t9ch5s$c18$1@panix3.panix.com>,
> >> jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
> >>
> >>> Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
> >>> https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space
> >>> /
> >>>
> >>> Teens: cheap, plentiful, and notoriously poor at judging risk: why _not_
> >>> send them on dangerous missions in space?
> >>
> >>You started with _Rocket Ship Galileo_ (most of Heinlein's juveniles had
> >>teenagers or younger in space), is it the oldest teens in space novel?
> >
> >I would be astounded if it was. It would be fantastic if thrilling wonder
> >stories about teens in space did not predate RSG since teens were the main
> >market for early SF.
>
> And there's those stories Heinlein wrote for Boy's Life the Boy Scouts
> of America magazine.....

Except those were published after the publication of _Rocket Ship
Galileo_.

--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
-------------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 13:47:25 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 6/27/2022 12:45 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 6/27/2022 10:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
>>> https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space/
>>>
>>>
>>> Teens: cheap, plentiful, and notoriously poor at judging risk: why _not_
>>> send them on dangerous missions in space?
>>
>> How about a story of sending teens back from space to a nuclear war
>> ravaged Earth ?  They even made a tv show of it.  "The 100" by Kass Morgan.
>>   https://www.amazon.com/100-Kass-Morgan/dp/0316234494/
>>
>Please post that in the rec.arts.TV group. I could use the
>entertainment I'd get from some of the responses from regulars there. :D

I dunno - it's mostly woke vs. non-woke there now...

On 6/29/2022 7:02 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 13:47:25 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> On 6/27/2022 12:45 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 6/27/2022 10:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>> Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
>>>> https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Teens: cheap, plentiful, and notoriously poor at judging risk: why _not_
>>>> send them on dangerous missions in space?
>>>
>>> How about a story of sending teens back from space to a nuclear war
>>> ravaged Earth ?  They even made a tv show of it.  "The 100" by Kass Morgan.
>>>   https://www.amazon.com/100-Kass-Morgan/dp/0316234494/
>>>
>> Please post that in the rec.arts.TV group. I could use the
>> entertainment I'd get from some of the responses from regulars there. :D
>
> I dunno - it's mostly woke vs. non-woke there now...

Like we don't have some of that here?

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 20:17:47 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 6/29/2022 7:02 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 13:47:25 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/27/2022 12:45 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 6/27/2022 10:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>>> Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
>>>>> https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Teens: cheap, plentiful, and notoriously poor at judging risk: why _not_
>>>>> send them on dangerous missions in space?
>>>>
>>>> How about a story of sending teens back from space to a nuclear war
>>>> ravaged Earth ?  They even made a tv show of it.  "The 100" by Kass Morgan.
>>>>   https://www.amazon.com/100-Kass-Morgan/dp/0316234494/
>>>>
>>> Please post that in the rec.arts.TV group. I could use the
>>> entertainment I'd get from some of the responses from regulars there. :D
>>
>> I dunno - it's mostly woke vs. non-woke there now...
>
>Like we don't have some of that here?

An article on /Christianity Today/ on African-American homeschoolers
reveals "WOKE" as an acronym used with various meanings.

Whether this is the origin of the anti-woke hysteria is unknown to me.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

On Thursday, 30 June 2022 at 17:14:09 UTC+1, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 20:17:47 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
> <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> >On 6/29/2022 7:02 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> >> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 13:47:25 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
> >> <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 6/27/2022 12:45 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>>> On 6/27/2022 10:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> >>>>> Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
> >>>>> https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space/
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Teens: cheap, plentiful, and notoriously poor at judging risk: why _not_
> >>>>> send them on dangerous missions in space?
> >>>>
> >>>> How about a story of sending teens back from space to a nuclear war
> >>>> ravaged Earth ? They even made a tv show of it. "The 100" by Kass Morgan.
> >>>> https://www.amazon.com/100-Kass-Morgan/dp/0316234494/
> >>>>
> >>> Please post that in the rec.arts.TV group. I could use the
> >>> entertainment I'd get from some of the responses from regulars there. :D
> >>
> >> I dunno - it's mostly woke vs. non-woke there now...
> >
> >Like we don't have some of that here?
> An article on /Christianity Today/ on African-American homeschoolers
> reveals "WOKE" as an acronym used with various meanings.
>
> Whether this is the origin of the anti-woke hysteria is unknown to me.

As far as I make out, to be "woke" is to recognize prejudice,
in particular when it's against African-Americans and when
there's an immediate threat of actual harm.

The opposite position, therefore, is to refuse to recognize
prejudice. And there are other uses of "woke", such as
against other prejudices, but the fundamental question
is simply of whether you find race violence acceptable,
or not.

> "In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
> development was the disintegration, under Christian
> influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
> of family right."

Is that part of the argument? And if so, where?

On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 12:26:36 -0000 (UTC), Christian Weisgerber
<naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:

>On 2022-06-27, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey, "The 100" tv show went seven seasons with 100 episodes.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100_(TV_series)
>
>I think I saw some of that. The first season maybe? It was your
>standard "shot in and around Vancouver" SF series. The teen angle
>allowed the casting of a lot of twenty-somethings at the start of
>their career, when they are cheap. The lead was imported from
>Australia. IIRC, in the first episode her Australian accent broke
>through a few times, afterwards she passed for North American, at
>least to my ear.
>
>Anyway, it was on US network TV, so it was very generic.
>
>> I am not sure if the book series was written before or after the tv
>> show.
>
>The TV show was definitely marketed as based on a book.

I watched the first two or three seasons and burnt out on it.

On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 12:22:46 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
<rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, 30 June 2022 at 17:14:09 UTC+1, Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 20:17:47 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
>> <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On 6/29/2022 7:02 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 13:47:25 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
>> >> <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 6/27/2022 12:45 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> >>>> On 6/27/2022 10:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>> >>>>> Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
>> >>>>> https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space/
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Teens: cheap, plentiful, and notoriously poor at judging risk: why _not_
>> >>>>> send them on dangerous missions in space?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> How about a story of sending teens back from space to a nuclear war
>> >>>> ravaged Earth ? They even made a tv show of it. "The 100" by Kass Morgan.
>> >>>> https://www.amazon.com/100-Kass-Morgan/dp/0316234494/
>> >>>>
>> >>> Please post that in the rec.arts.TV group. I could use the
>> >>> entertainment I'd get from some of the responses from regulars there. :D
>> >>
>> >> I dunno - it's mostly woke vs. non-woke there now...
>> >
>> >Like we don't have some of that here?
>> An article on /Christianity Today/ on African-American homeschoolers
>> reveals "WOKE" as an acronym used with various meanings.
>>
>> Whether this is the origin of the anti-woke hysteria is unknown to me.
>
>As far as I make out, to be "woke" is to recognize prejudice,
>in particular when it's against African-Americans and when
>there's an immediate threat of actual harm.
>
>The opposite position, therefore, is to refuse to recognize
>prejudice. And there are other uses of "woke", such as
>against other prejudices, but the fundamental question
>is simply of whether you find race violence acceptable,
>or not.

Somewhere, somehow, the "--" dropped out.

>> "In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
>> development was the disintegration, under Christian
>> influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
>> of family right."
>
>Is that part of the argument? And if so, where?

As the "--" was intended to indicate, this is a sig.

It's from /Christianity and Classical Culture/ by Charles Norris
Cochrane, ISBN 0-19-500207-5.

IIRC, (one of?) the items referred to was a law, passed by the (Roman,
not US) Senate requiring the Pater Familias to have a /reason/ if he
wanted to put one of his children to death. This was a great
impediment to his absolute power over his children.

Traditional Family Values -- enforced by the Taliban. Even nastier in
Rome than in the 50s.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Stories About Sending Teens Into Space
> https://www.tor.com/2022/06/27/five-stories-about-sending-teens-into-space/

Providentially, my lousy vision has provided you with a new topic:

"Five stories about sending trees into space"

William Hyde