Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
news:tkp0co$1bor$1@gioia.aioe.org:

> On 11/12/2022 1:37 PM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:tkor96$177j$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>>
>>> On 11/12/2022 9:42 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
>>>> writes:
>>>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:tkmbd3$uc0u$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> xkcd: Y2K and 2038
>>>>>> https://xkcd.com/2697/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It shouldn't cost more than a trillion dollars or two to
>>>>>> investigate this.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll start doing so as soon as the check clears.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or it could end up being as big a nothingburger as y2k was,
>>>>> because the people who run such systems aren't idiots.
>>>>
>>>> We (Burroughs) started preparing for 2000 in 1987. None of
>>>> our customers were affected by the rollover (and most
>>>> customer software on those mainframes used two-digit year
>>>> fields in 1987).
>>>>
>>>> And, on the vast majority of unix/linux servers/desktops
>>>> currently running,
>>>>
>>>> sizeof(time_t)=8 (64 bits)
>>>>
>>>> Which pushes the "2038" date out to December 4th, in the year
>>>> 292,277,026,596.
>>>>
>>>> For the most part, a nothingburger. However, there are
>>>> likely lots of small embedded 32-bit processors in devices
>>>> like routers which may exhibit issues, if they're still
>>>> running 16 years from now.
>>>
>>> The operating systems arefixed but the customer software is
>>> not.
>>> The software at minimum needs a recompile. But the software
>>> needs a going through to see if it is just stuffing the time
>>> and date information into a 32 bit signed integer.
>>>
>> Do you anticipate a lot of problems getting that done in the
>> next 16 years?
>
> Hard to tell. There is an enormous amount of custom software in
> companies.
>
But then, given your preference for post apocalyptic revcenge
fantasies, you might be a tad biased.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote in
news:o0idnQslu6gLie3-nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com:

> On 11/12/22 11:32 AM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>> news:l9PbL.74464$1449.32517@fx14.iad:
>>
>>> For the most part, a nothingburger. However, there are
>>> likely lots of small embedded 32-bit processors in devices
>>> like routers which may exhibit issues, if they're still
>>> running 16 years from now.
>>>
>> You sound just like the doom criers ("Give me money or you'll
>> DIE!!!") in the run up to y2k.
>>
>> How many appliances with embedded processors running today do
>> you actually believe will still be functional in another 16
>> years?
>>
>> https://www.wired.com/2000/01/y2k-alarmist-wha-happened/
>>
>
> Do not misunderstand. The Y2K problem was very real, and started
> causing serious damage at least as early as August 16, 1972
> (9999 days before Y2K), when tapes on IBM mainframes that were
> supposed to be marked “retain forever” started to be marked
> "ready for recycling” instead.

Serious, perhaps, but not especially wide spread.
>
> (It was also about that time that our operating system—to be
> fair to IBM, it was a beta—started crashing every day at
> exactly 7:00PM EST. It turned out to be caused by a zero divide
> in the rollover-GMT code—7:00PM EST is midnight, GMT. And why
> the zero divide? Ultimately, because one IBM coder was aware
> that, in the Gregorian Calendar, AD 1900 had skipped leap year,
> while another coder was blissfully unaware of it.)
>
And did hellfire rain down from the heavens, with cats and dogs
living together, heralding the end of human civilization? No.
Nobody kicked your dog, either. Professionals fixed it, and life
went on.

And we know 2038 is coming. Decades in advance.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On 11/11/2022 5:39 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:tkmbd3$uc0u$2@dont-email.me:
>>
>> xkcd: Y2K and 2038
>> https://xkcd.com/2697/
>>
>> It shouldn't cost more than a trillion dollars or two to
>> investigate this.
>
> I'll start doing so as soon as the check clears.
>
> Or it could end up being as big a nothingburger as y2k was, because
> the people who run such systems aren't idiots.

Y2K was massively over-hyped - largely by the media, as usual. There
was never going to be huge issues with with things like traffic lights
and elevators suddenly not working. There were also a lot of tech
people who jumped on this scaremongering bandwagon to greedily increase
their own pay-packets.

2038, and whatever other year turnovers they discover, will be no different.

Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
> On 11/11/2022 5:39 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:tkmbd3$uc0u$2@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>> xkcd: Y2K and 2038
>>> https://xkcd.com/2697/
>>>
>>> It shouldn't cost more than a trillion dollars or two to
>>> investigate this.
>>
>> I'll start doing so as soon as the check clears.
>>
>> Or it could end up being as big a nothingburger as y2k was, because
>> the people who run such systems aren't idiots.
>
> Y2K was massively over-hyped - largely by the media, as usual. There
> was never going to be huge issues with with things like traffic lights
> and elevators suddenly not working. There were also a lot of tech
> people who jumped on this scaremongering bandwagon to greedily increase
> their own pay-packets.

Well, I'll admit that I got a very nice boost for the holiday by volunteering
(at 8x times my normal pay) to sit at work rather than stay home with the
family on New Year's Eve.
There were a LOT of function-breaking bugs fixed in significant bits of
infrastructure leading up to Y2K. Other than generating a whole lot of sales
to preppers, the hype did one really important thing...it got the bean
counters listening to what the the engineers had been saying for years.
Which was, essentially, that the bean counters were going to regret their
inaction when the lawsuits started rolling in. Even if the failures weren't
of the "All die. Oh the embarrassment." type, customers tend to frown on things
like, for example, discovering that the service they were charging by the
minute for stopped recording usage on January 1st.
It was never a matter of not knowing that there was a problem, it was a
matter of prioritizing remediation over new features and other bugs.
Even with the effort put in, we still saw plenty of unpatched (mostly
cosmetic) issues. The most common was probably seeing dates displayed as
"1-1-19100".

Robert
--
Robert K. Shull Email: rkshull at rosettacon dot com

On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:48:23 -0800, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

>scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) on Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:57:44 GMT
>typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>>Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
>>>scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>>news:l9PbL.74464$1449.32517@fx14.iad:
>>>
>>>> For the most part, a nothingburger. However, there are likely
>>>> lots of small embedded 32-bit processors in devices like routers
>>>> which may exhibit issues, if they're still running 16 years from
>>>> now.
>>>>
>>>You sound just like the doom criers ("Give me money or you'll
>>>DIE!!!") in the run up to y2k.
>>
>>I said "if they're still running 16 years from now", which is
>>quite unlikely. However, cheap-ass manufacturers may continue
>>to use the same software in newer devices, sadly.
>
> It is possible. As the cliche was "back in my day" - most of the
>current batch of programmers have no idea that there are COBOL
>programs still running which were compiled before they were born.
>
> The question is, how many people / organizations have a system
>which has been running, is running, will be running, with little or no
>reason to replace it with a New And Improved Hardware?

Raises hand.

(I tend to use my equipment until it literally dies. OK, the DSL
modem/router was an exception, but only because the ISP pulled the
plug.)
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 22:06:42 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote in
>news:jtaee3F1vqmU1@mid.individual.net:
>
>> On 11/12/2022 2:35 PM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>>> dvandom@eyrie.org (Dave Van Domelen) wrote in
>>
>>>> Dave Van Domelen, really tired of the attitude people have
>>>> that if a
>>>> problem is fixed, then it was never a problem in the first
>>>> place.
>>>>
>>> Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey, really tired of idiots who
>>> assume that because professionals did their job once, they
>>> can't possibly do so again.
>>>
>>> It's not a big deal if those professionals keep doing their
>>> jobs, and - this is the part you're apparently too stupid to
>>> understand - *doing* *their* *jobs* *isn't* *a* *big* *deal*
>>> *either*.
>>>
>>> It's *routine.*
>>
>> Not a regular reader of the Risks digest, then.
>>
>I was for a while. Yes, stupid people do stupid things.
>
>But the world didn't end at midnight, December 31, 1999, despite the
>predictions of idiots like you.

The first workday after that, however, a key command stopped working.

Nobody updated it to pull the data it needed from its new position in
the field, two bytes further to the right than before.

It got fixed real fast.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 19:37:07 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>news:hekvmhh5jjbjnmefu2sjoecpkqla6pmmg3@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 14:30:25 -0600, Lynn McGuire
>> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>xkcd: Y2K and 2038
>>> https://xkcd.com/2697/
>>>
>>>It shouldn't cost more than a trillion dollars or two to
>>>investigate this.
>>>
>>>Explained at:
>>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2697:_Y2K_and_2038
>>
>> So, two questions occur:
>>
>> 1. This appears to be a Unix problem. Apart of Unix and Linux
>> and friends, will anyone /else/ be affected?
>>
>> 2. Why go to 33 bits? If the problem is that 32 is too few, why
>> not just jump to 64 and save the future some problems? Is doing
>> things in the clearly least optimal way (you are going to end up
>> with 40 bits anyway, since they come in 8-bit groups called
>> "bytes") a Unix/Linux tradition? Do Real Programmers always to
>> things the Most Difficult Way Possible?
>>
>Perhaps it's comic, and 33 bits is funnier than 64, and _you missed
>the joke_.

Quite quite possible.

Thanks for pointing that out.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
news:2692nh5sqaeh4ib95csfmcie379ponq5tg@4ax.com:

> On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:48:23 -0800, pyotr filipivich
> <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) on Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:57:44
>>GMT typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>>>Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>>>news:l9PbL.74464$1449.32517@fx14.iad:
>>>>
>>>>> For the most part, a nothingburger. However, there are
>>>>> likely lots of small embedded 32-bit processors in devices
>>>>> like routers which may exhibit issues, if they're still
>>>>> running 16 years from now.
>>>>>
>>>>You sound just like the doom criers ("Give me money or you'll
>>>>DIE!!!") in the run up to y2k.
>>>
>>>I said "if they're still running 16 years from now", which is
>>>quite unlikely. However, cheap-ass manufacturers may continue
>>>to use the same software in newer devices, sadly.
>>
>> It is possible. As the cliche was "back in my day" - most
>> of the
>>current batch of programmers have no idea that there are COBOL
>>programs still running which were compiled before they were
>>born.
>>
>> The question is, how many people / organizations have a
>> system
>>which has been running, is running, will be running, with little
>>or no reason to replace it with a New And Improved Hardware?
>
> Raises hand.
>
> (I tend to use my equipment until it literally dies. OK, the DSL
> modem/router was an exception, but only because the ISP pulled
> the plug.)

And how often do you have inexpensive appliance devices last 16
years? How many do you have right now that were bought in 2006?

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
news:1a92nh1b4c0gnnf2tsq61at0iokjlhie59@4ax.com:

> It got fixed real fast.

But according to the predictions, that's impossible, because
civilization has ended, and cannibals living in caves lack the
ability to fix complicated electronics.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

In article <XnsAF4E67ABA8F77taustincagmailcom@85.12.62.232>,
Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>news:2692nh5sqaeh4ib95csfmcie379ponq5tg@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:48:23 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>> <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) on Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:57:44
>>>GMT typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>>>>Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>>>>news:l9PbL.74464$1449.32517@fx14.iad:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For the most part, a nothingburger. However, there are
>>>>>> likely lots of small embedded 32-bit processors in devices
>>>>>> like routers which may exhibit issues, if they're still
>>>>>> running 16 years from now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>You sound just like the doom criers ("Give me money or you'll
>>>>>DIE!!!") in the run up to y2k.
>>>>
>>>>I said "if they're still running 16 years from now", which is
>>>>quite unlikely. However, cheap-ass manufacturers may continue
>>>>to use the same software in newer devices, sadly.
>>>
>>> It is possible. As the cliche was "back in my day" - most
>>> of the
>>>current batch of programmers have no idea that there are COBOL
>>>programs still running which were compiled before they were
>>>born.
>>>
>>> The question is, how many people / organizations have a
>>> system
>>>which has been running, is running, will be running, with little
>>>or no reason to replace it with a New And Improved Hardware?
>>
>> Raises hand.
>>
>> (I tend to use my equipment until it literally dies. OK, the DSL
>> modem/router was an exception, but only because the ISP pulled
>> the plug.)
>
>And how often do you have inexpensive appliance devices last 16
>years? How many do you have right now that were bought in 2006?
>
>--

Well, I post to Usenet from a 1997 desktop, read SF on a 2011 Kindle,
and have a 2002 Sun Ultrasparc I do my email on..
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

On 2022-11-13 10:11, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
> news:2692nh5sqaeh4ib95csfmcie379ponq5tg@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:48:23 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>> <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) on Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:57:44
>>> GMT typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>>>> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>>>> news:l9PbL.74464$1449.32517@fx14.iad:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For the most part, a nothingburger. However, there are
>>>>>> likely lots of small embedded 32-bit processors in devices
>>>>>> like routers which may exhibit issues, if they're still
>>>>>> running 16 years from now.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You sound just like the doom criers ("Give me money or you'll
>>>>> DIE!!!") in the run up to y2k.
>>>>
>>>> I said "if they're still running 16 years from now", which is
>>>> quite unlikely. However, cheap-ass manufacturers may continue
>>>> to use the same software in newer devices, sadly.
>>>
>>> It is possible. As the cliche was "back in my day" - most
>>> of the
>>> current batch of programmers have no idea that there are COBOL
>>> programs still running which were compiled before they were
>>> born.
>>>
>>> The question is, how many people / organizations have a
>>> system
>>> which has been running, is running, will be running, with little
>>> or no reason to replace it with a New And Improved Hardware?
>>
>> Raises hand.
>>
>> (I tend to use my equipment until it literally dies. OK, the DSL
>> modem/router was an exception, but only because the ISP pulled
>> the plug.)
>
> And how often do you have inexpensive appliance devices last 16
> years? How many do you have right now that were bought in 2006?

My Braun coffee maker dates from well before 1994...

....because I got it from my Dad when I bought my condo in 1994...

....and he'd had it for ages when I got it.

It's probably more than 40 years old.

On 2022-11-13 11:08, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <XnsAF4E67ABA8F77taustincagmailcom@85.12.62.232>,
> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>> news:2692nh5sqaeh4ib95csfmcie379ponq5tg@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:48:23 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>>> <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) on Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:57:44
>>>> GMT typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>>>>> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>>>>> news:l9PbL.74464$1449.32517@fx14.iad:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the most part, a nothingburger. However, there are
>>>>>>> likely lots of small embedded 32-bit processors in devices
>>>>>>> like routers which may exhibit issues, if they're still
>>>>>>> running 16 years from now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You sound just like the doom criers ("Give me money or you'll
>>>>>> DIE!!!") in the run up to y2k.
>>>>>
>>>>> I said "if they're still running 16 years from now", which is
>>>>> quite unlikely. However, cheap-ass manufacturers may continue
>>>>> to use the same software in newer devices, sadly.
>>>>
>>>> It is possible. As the cliche was "back in my day" - most
>>>> of the
>>>> current batch of programmers have no idea that there are COBOL
>>>> programs still running which were compiled before they were
>>>> born.
>>>>
>>>> The question is, how many people / organizations have a
>>>> system
>>>> which has been running, is running, will be running, with little
>>>> or no reason to replace it with a New And Improved Hardware?
>>>
>>> Raises hand.
>>>
>>> (I tend to use my equipment until it literally dies. OK, the DSL
>>> modem/router was an exception, but only because the ISP pulled
>>> the plug.)
>>
>> And how often do you have inexpensive appliance devices last 16
>> years? How many do you have right now that were bought in 2006?
>>
>> --
>
> Well, I post to Usenet from a 1997 desktop, read SF on a 2011 Kindle,
> and have a 2002 Sun Ultrasparc I do my email on..

Don't bother Terry with facts...

On 11/13/2022 1:08 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <XnsAF4E67ABA8F77taustincagmailcom@85.12.62.232>,
> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>> news:2692nh5sqaeh4ib95csfmcie379ponq5tg@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:48:23 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>>> <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) on Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:57:44
>>>> GMT typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>>>>> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>>>>> news:l9PbL.74464$1449.32517@fx14.iad:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the most part, a nothingburger. However, there are
>>>>>>> likely lots of small embedded 32-bit processors in devices
>>>>>>> like routers which may exhibit issues, if they're still
>>>>>>> running 16 years from now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You sound just like the doom criers ("Give me money or you'll
>>>>>> DIE!!!") in the run up to y2k.
>>>>>
>>>>> I said "if they're still running 16 years from now", which is
>>>>> quite unlikely. However, cheap-ass manufacturers may continue
>>>>> to use the same software in newer devices, sadly.
>>>>
>>>> It is possible. As the cliche was "back in my day" - most
>>>> of the
>>>> current batch of programmers have no idea that there are COBOL
>>>> programs still running which were compiled before they were
>>>> born.
>>>>
>>>> The question is, how many people / organizations have a
>>>> system
>>>> which has been running, is running, will be running, with little
>>>> or no reason to replace it with a New And Improved Hardware?
>>>
>>> Raises hand.
>>>
>>> (I tend to use my equipment until it literally dies. OK, the DSL
>>> modem/router was an exception, but only because the ISP pulled
>>> the plug.)
>>
>> And how often do you have inexpensive appliance devices last 16
>> years? How many do you have right now that were bought in 2006?
>>
>> --
>
> Well, I post to Usenet from a 1997 desktop, read SF on a 2011 Kindle,
> and have a 2002 Sun Ultrasparc I do my email on..

I have been thinking about seeing if my 1993 Sun workstation will boot.
The last time I booted it (maybe 20 years ago), the disk was squealing.
I've got some code on there I would like to have again.

Lynn

In article <tkrjr0$832$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 11/13/2022 1:08 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>> In article <XnsAF4E67ABA8F77taustincagmailcom@85.12.62.232>,
>> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>>> news:2692nh5sqaeh4ib95csfmcie379ponq5tg@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:48:23 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>>>> <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) on Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:57:44
>>>>> GMT typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>>>>>> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>>>>>> news:l9PbL.74464$1449.32517@fx14.iad:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For the most part, a nothingburger. However, there are
>>>>>>>> likely lots of small embedded 32-bit processors in devices
>>>>>>>> like routers which may exhibit issues, if they're still
>>>>>>>> running 16 years from now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You sound just like the doom criers ("Give me money or you'll
>>>>>>> DIE!!!") in the run up to y2k.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I said "if they're still running 16 years from now", which is
>>>>>> quite unlikely. However, cheap-ass manufacturers may continue
>>>>>> to use the same software in newer devices, sadly.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is possible. As the cliche was "back in my day" - most
>>>>> of the
>>>>> current batch of programmers have no idea that there are COBOL
>>>>> programs still running which were compiled before they were
>>>>> born.
>>>>>
>>>>> The question is, how many people / organizations have a
>>>>> system
>>>>> which has been running, is running, will be running, with little
>>>>> or no reason to replace it with a New And Improved Hardware?
>>>>
>>>> Raises hand.
>>>>
>>>> (I tend to use my equipment until it literally dies. OK, the DSL
>>>> modem/router was an exception, but only because the ISP pulled
>>>> the plug.)
>>>
>>> And how often do you have inexpensive appliance devices last 16
>>> years? How many do you have right now that were bought in 2006?
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> Well, I post to Usenet from a 1997 desktop, read SF on a 2011 Kindle,
>> and have a 2002 Sun Ultrasparc I do my email on..
>
>I have been thinking about seeing if my 1993 Sun workstation will boot.
>The last time I booted it (maybe 20 years ago), the disk was squealing.
>I've got some code on there I would like to have again.
>
>Lynn

Well then, have a plan to get it on the network quick (and enable
FTP on another system behind your firewall) because you may not
have long to do the transfer..
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On 11/13/2022 12:37 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <tkrjr0$832$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 11/13/2022 1:08 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>>> In article <XnsAF4E67ABA8F77taustincagmailcom@85.12.62.232>,
>>> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>>>> news:2692nh5sqaeh4ib95csfmcie379ponq5tg@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:48:23 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>>>>> <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) on Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:57:44
>>>>>> GMT typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>>>>>>> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:l9PbL.74464$1449.32517@fx14.iad:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For the most part, a nothingburger. However, there are
>>>>>>>>> likely lots of small embedded 32-bit processors in devices
>>>>>>>>> like routers which may exhibit issues, if they're still
>>>>>>>>> running 16 years from now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You sound just like the doom criers ("Give me money or you'll
>>>>>>>> DIE!!!") in the run up to y2k.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I said "if they're still running 16 years from now", which is
>>>>>>> quite unlikely. However, cheap-ass manufacturers may continue
>>>>>>> to use the same software in newer devices, sadly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is possible. As the cliche was "back in my day" - most
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> current batch of programmers have no idea that there are COBOL
>>>>>> programs still running which were compiled before they were
>>>>>> born.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The question is, how many people / organizations have a
>>>>>> system
>>>>>> which has been running, is running, will be running, with little
>>>>>> or no reason to replace it with a New And Improved Hardware?
>>>>>
>>>>> Raises hand.
>>>>>
>>>>> (I tend to use my equipment until it literally dies. OK, the DSL
>>>>> modem/router was an exception, but only because the ISP pulled
>>>>> the plug.)
>>>>
>>>> And how often do you have inexpensive appliance devices last 16
>>>> years? How many do you have right now that were bought in 2006?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>> Well, I post to Usenet from a 1997 desktop, read SF on a 2011 Kindle,
>>> and have a 2002 Sun Ultrasparc I do my email on..
>>
>> I have been thinking about seeing if my 1993 Sun workstation will boot.
>> The last time I booted it (maybe 20 years ago), the disk was squealing.
>> I've got some code on there I would like to have again.
>>
>> Lynn
>
> Well then, have a plan to get it on the network quick (and enable
> FTP on another system behind your firewall) because you may not
> have long to do the transfer..

May be a good idea to hire a data retrieval service to recover the
contents of the drive.

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dirty old man.

ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote in
news:jtctllFddjjU2@mid.individual.net:

> In article <XnsAF4E67ABA8F77taustincagmailcom@85.12.62.232>,
> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>>news:2692nh5sqaeh4ib95csfmcie379ponq5tg@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:48:23 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>>> <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) on Sat, 12 Nov 2022
>>>>16:57:44 GMT typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>>>>>Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>>>>>news:l9PbL.74464$1449.32517@fx14.iad:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the most part, a nothingburger. However, there are
>>>>>>> likely lots of small embedded 32-bit processors in devices
>>>>>>> like routers which may exhibit issues, if they're still
>>>>>>> running 16 years from now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>You sound just like the doom criers ("Give me money or
>>>>>>you'll DIE!!!") in the run up to y2k.
>>>>>
>>>>>I said "if they're still running 16 years from now", which is
>>>>>quite unlikely. However, cheap-ass manufacturers may
>>>>>continue to use the same software in newer devices, sadly.
>>>>
>>>> It is possible. As the cliche was "back in my day" - most
>>>> of the
>>>>current batch of programmers have no idea that there are COBOL
>>>>programs still running which were compiled before they were
>>>>born.
>>>>
>>>> The question is, how many people / organizations have a
>>>> system
>>>>which has been running, is running, will be running, with
>>>>little or no reason to replace it with a New And Improved
>>>>Hardware?
>>>
>>> Raises hand.
>>>
>>> (I tend to use my equipment until it literally dies. OK, the
>>> DSL modem/router was an exception, but only because the ISP
>>> pulled the plug.)
>>
>>And how often do you have inexpensive appliance devices last 16
>>years? How many do you have right now that were bought in 2006?
>>
>>--
>
> Well, I post to Usenet from a 1997 desktop,

Which, of course, caught on fire, exploded, and killed your dog at
midnight on December 31, 1999, because these things are unsolvable
catatrophes that will end human civilization.

This entire converstaion is an hallucination during your death
throes at the hands of cannibals.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

In article <XnsAF4EC623A8BC0taustincagmailcom@85.12.62.232>,
Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote in
>news:jtctllFddjjU2@mid.individual.net:
>
>> In article <XnsAF4E67ABA8F77taustincagmailcom@85.12.62.232>,
>> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>>>news:2692nh5sqaeh4ib95csfmcie379ponq5tg@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:48:23 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>>>> <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) on Sat, 12 Nov 2022
>>>>>16:57:44 GMT typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>>>>>>Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>>>>>>news:l9PbL.74464$1449.32517@fx14.iad:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For the most part, a nothingburger. However, there are
>>>>>>>> likely lots of small embedded 32-bit processors in devices
>>>>>>>> like routers which may exhibit issues, if they're still
>>>>>>>> running 16 years from now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You sound just like the doom criers ("Give me money or
>>>>>>>you'll DIE!!!") in the run up to y2k.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I said "if they're still running 16 years from now", which is
>>>>>>quite unlikely. However, cheap-ass manufacturers may
>>>>>>continue to use the same software in newer devices, sadly.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is possible. As the cliche was "back in my day" - most
>>>>> of the
>>>>>current batch of programmers have no idea that there are COBOL
>>>>>programs still running which were compiled before they were
>>>>>born.
>>>>>
>>>>> The question is, how many people / organizations have a
>>>>> system
>>>>>which has been running, is running, will be running, with
>>>>>little or no reason to replace it with a New And Improved
>>>>>Hardware?
>>>>
>>>> Raises hand.
>>>>
>>>> (I tend to use my equipment until it literally dies. OK, the
>>>> DSL modem/router was an exception, but only because the ISP
>>>> pulled the plug.)
>>>
>>>And how often do you have inexpensive appliance devices last 16
>>>years? How many do you have right now that were bought in 2006?
>>>
>>>--
>>
>> Well, I post to Usenet from a 1997 desktop,
>
>Which, of course, caught on fire, exploded, and killed your dog at
>midnight on December 31, 1999, because these things are unsolvable
>catatrophes that will end human civilization.
>
>This entire converstaion is an hallucination during your death
>throes at the hands of cannibals.
>

Nah, I perished when the end of Net Neutrality destroyed the world.

(O the embarassment..)
--
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On 2022-11-13 19:12:14 +0000, Alan said:
> On 2022-11-13 10:11, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>> news:2692nh5sqaeh4ib95csfmcie379ponq5tg@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:48:23 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>>> <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) on Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:57:44
>>>> GMT typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>>>>> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>>>>> news:l9PbL.74464$1449.32517@fx14.iad:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the most part, a nothingburger. However, there are
>>>>>>> likely lots of small embedded 32-bit processors in devices
>>>>>>> like routers which may exhibit issues, if they're still
>>>>>>> running 16 years from now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You sound just like the doom criers ("Give me money or you'll
>>>>>> DIE!!!") in the run up to y2k.
>>>>>
>>>>> I said "if they're still running 16 years from now", which is
>>>>> quite unlikely. However, cheap-ass manufacturers may continue
>>>>> to use the same software in newer devices, sadly.
>>>>
>>>> It is possible. As the cliche was "back in my day" - most
>>>> of the current batch of programmers have no idea that there are COBOL
>>>> programs still running which were compiled before they were
>>>> born.
>>>>
>>>> The question is, how many people / organizations have a
>>>> system which has been running, is running, will be running, with little
>>>> or no reason to replace it with a New And Improved Hardware?
>>>
>>> Raises hand.
>>>
>>> (I tend to use my equipment until it literally dies. OK, the DSL
>>> modem/router was an exception, but only because the ISP pulled
>>> the plug.)
>>
>> And how often do you have inexpensive appliance devices last 16
>> years? How many do you have right now that were bought in 2006?
>
> My Braun coffee maker dates from well before 1994...
>
> ...because I got it from my Dad when I bought my condo in 1994...
>
> ...and he'd had it for ages when I got it.
>
> It's probably more than 40 years old.

There's a UK show called "The Repair Shop" where people bring all sorts
of old things in to be repaired by experts. A few episodes ago there
was one woman with her mother's old electric food mixer, which was at
least 50 years old. After the expert took it apart to fully clean it,
it was working again like new. Another woman wrote in to the local TV
GUide magazine to say she had the same model of food mixer that was
also still going well.

Our clothes tumble dryer is probably about that old too and has never
had any problems. Our dishwasher on the other hand is about 20 years
old, but we rarely use it, so has probably only been turned on about
half a dozen times over those yeras, yet the control panel is still
broken (it's a now-known fault because they stupidly used cheap plastic
which gets ruined by teh water and heat).

Things these days simply aren't made to last, and in many cases they're
difficult or impossible to even fix. :-(

On 2022-11-13 14:42:51 +0000, rkshullat@rosettacondot.com said:
> Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
>> On 11/11/2022 5:39 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:tkmbd3$uc0u$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>> xkcd: Y2K and 2038
>>>> https://xkcd.com/2697/
>>>>
>>>> It shouldn't cost more than a trillion dollars or two to
>>>> investigate this.
>>>
>>> I'll start doing so as soon as the check clears.
>>>
>>> Or it could end up being as big a nothingburger as y2k was, because
>>> the people who run such systems aren't idiots.
>>
>> Y2K was massively over-hyped - largely by the media, as usual. There
>> was never going to be huge issues with with things like traffic lights
>> and elevators suddenly not working. There were also a lot of tech
>> people who jumped on this scaremongering bandwagon to greedily increase
>> their own pay-packets.
>
> Well, I'll admit that I got a very nice boost for the holiday by volunteering
> (at 8x times my normal pay) to sit at work rather than stay home with the
> family on New Year's Eve.
> There were a LOT of function-breaking bugs fixed in significant bits of
> infrastructure leading up to Y2K. Other than generating a whole lot of sales
> to preppers, the hype did one really important thing...it got the bean
> counters listening to what the the engineers had been saying for years.
> Which was, essentially, that the bean counters were going to regret their
> inaction when the lawsuits started rolling in. Even if the failures weren't
> of the "All die. Oh the embarrassment." type, customers tend to frown on things
> like, for example, discovering that the service they were charging by the
> minute for stopped recording usage on January 1st.
> It was never a matter of not knowing that there was a problem, it was a
> matter of prioritizing remediation over new features and other bugs.
> Even with the effort put in, we still saw plenty of unpatched (mostly
> cosmetic) issues. The most common was probably seeing dates displayed as
> "1-1-19100".

There were some Y2K issues, but they were relatively few. The vast
majority of it was at inconvenient at worst, if not simply over-hyped
nonsense.

The date battery on my old Mac computer stoped working a few times over
the 20 years I had it, but it was never really anything other than a
cosmetic problem ... newly saved files would be dated as 1969 (or
whatever the default date was). Otherwise it still worked perfectly
well until I got around to replacing the battery.

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> on Sun, 13 Nov 2022
09:10:30 -0800 typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>
>>>>You sound just like the doom criers ("Give me money or you'll
>>>>DIE!!!") in the run up to y2k.
>>>
>>>I said "if they're still running 16 years from now", which is
>>>quite unlikely. However, cheap-ass manufacturers may continue
>>>to use the same software in newer devices, sadly.
>>
>> It is possible. As the cliche was "back in my day" - most of the
>>current batch of programmers have no idea that there are COBOL
>>programs still running which were compiled before they were born.
>>
>> The question is, how many people / organizations have a system
>>which has been running, is running, will be running, with little or no
>>reason to replace it with a New And Improved Hardware?
>
>Raises hand.
>
>(I tend to use my equipment until it literally dies. OK, the DSL
>modem/router was an exception, but only because the ISP pulled the
>plug.)

"it was ... a mercy killing." B-)
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Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> on Mon, 14 Nov 2022 16:50:19 +1300
typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>
>Things these days simply aren't made to last, and in many cases they're
>difficult or impossible to even fix. :-(

Things are designed with (at best) ease of assembly / installation
in mind. Remember the Manza 2+2 which had access to one of the spark
plugs blocked by an engine mount?
>
--
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This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> on Sun, 13 Nov 2022 11:12:14 -0800 typed in
rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>
>>> (I tend to use my equipment until it literally dies. OK, the DSL
>>> modem/router was an exception, but only because the ISP pulled
>>> the plug.)
>>
>> And how often do you have inexpensive appliance devices last 16
>> years? How many do you have right now that were bought in 2006?
>
>My Braun coffee maker dates from well before 1994...
>
>...because I got it from my Dad when I bought my condo in 1994...
>
>...and he'd had it for ages when I got it.
>
>It's probably more than 40 years old.

I've had mine for twenty years. How long Mom had it before then,
I have no idea.

But then again, it doesn't have any electronics involved. One
switch - on / off.
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Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)

On 2022-11-12 17:48:23 +0000, pyotr filipivich said:

> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) on Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:57:44 GMT
> typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>> news:l9PbL.74464$1449.32517@fx14.iad:
>>>
>>>> For the most part, a nothingburger. However, there are likely
>>>> lots of small embedded 32-bit processors in devices like routers
>>>> which may exhibit issues, if they're still running 16 years from
>>>> now.
>>>>
>>> You sound just like the doom criers ("Give me money or you'll
>>> DIE!!!") in the run up to y2k.
>>
>> I said "if they're still running 16 years from now", which is
>> quite unlikely. However, cheap-ass manufacturers may continue
>> to use the same software in newer devices, sadly.
>
> It is possible. As the cliche was "back in my day" - most of the
> current batch of programmers have no idea that there are COBOL
> programs still running which were compiled before they were born.
>
> The question is, how many people / organizations have a system
> which has been running, is running, will be running, with little or no
> reason to replace it with a New And Improved Hardware?

I used my Apple PowerMac G3 computer for just over 20 years before I
had to replace it due to it irrepairably breaking down. It was used for
both leisure time and for running my own work-from-home IT business.
For all that time it was also connected to the internet via a dial-up
modem. It was only when I was forced to get the newer replacement
computer that I also had to upgrade the internet connection to a home
4G modem-router instead.

I've never owned a mobile phone and just used the standard copper
landline, until this year when they dropped the copper services, so the
landline is now also bundled through the 4G modem-router. Not sure how
long we've had the landline phone wireless handsets, but quite a few
years.

My car is 28 years old, and I've had it for 24 of those years. :-)

As in another post, our clothes tumble dryer is around 50 years old. My
mother's bed would be about the same vintage (she doesn't want to
replace it).

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in
news:tksdtr$13hk$1@gioia.aioe.org:

> On 2022-11-13 19:12:14 +0000, Alan said:
>> On 2022-11-13 10:11, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>>> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>>> news:2692nh5sqaeh4ib95csfmcie379ponq5tg@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:48:23 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>>>> <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) on Sat, 12 Nov 2022
>>>>> 16:57:44 GMT typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>>>>>> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>>>>>> news:l9PbL.74464$1449.32517@fx14.iad:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For the most part, a nothingburger. However, there are
>>>>>>>> likely lots of small embedded 32-bit processors in
>>>>>>>> devices like routers which may exhibit issues, if they're
>>>>>>>> still running 16 years from now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You sound just like the doom criers ("Give me money or
>>>>>>> you'll DIE!!!") in the run up to y2k.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I said "if they're still running 16 years from now", which
>>>>>> is quite unlikely. However, cheap-ass manufacturers may
>>>>>> continue to use the same software in newer devices, sadly.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is possible. As the cliche was "back in my day" - most
>>>>> of the current batch of programmers have no idea that there
>>>>> are COBOL programs still running which were compiled before
>>>>> they were born.
>>>>>
>>>>> The question is, how many people / organizations have a
>>>>> system which has been running, is running, will be running,
>>>>> with little or no reason to replace it with a New And
>>>>> Improved Hardware?
>>>>
>>>> Raises hand.
>>>>
>>>> (I tend to use my equipment until it literally dies. OK, the
>>>> DSL modem/router was an exception, but only because the ISP
>>>> pulled the plug.)
>>>
>>> And how often do you have inexpensive appliance devices last
>>> 16 years? How many do you have right now that were bought in
>>> 2006?
>>
>> My Braun coffee maker dates from well before 1994...
>>
>> ...because I got it from my Dad when I bought my condo in
>> 1994...
>>
>> ...and he'd had it for ages when I got it.
>>
>> It's probably more than 40 years old.
>
> There's a UK show called "The Repair Shop" where people bring
> all sorts of old things in to be repaired by experts. A few
> episodes ago there was one woman with her mother's old electric
> food mixer, which was at least 50 years old. After the expert
> took it apart to fully clean it, it was working again like new.
> Another woman wrote in to the local TV GUide magazine to say she
> had the same model of food mixer that was also still going well.
>
> Our clothes tumble dryer is probably about that old too and has
> never had any problems. Our dishwasher on the other hand is
> about 20 years old, but we rarely use it, so has probably only
> been turned on about half a dozen times over those yeras, yet
> the control panel is still broken (it's a now-known fault
> because they stupidly used cheap plastic which gets ruined by
> teh water and heat).
>
> Things these days simply aren't made to last, and in many cases
> they're difficult or impossible to even fix. :-(
>
That's a nice list of appliances that don't have computer chips in
them, or if they don't, don't keep track of the date, or if they
do, don't give a shit (and can't tell) if it's set to 50 years ago.
(And that all survived Y2K without an issue, obviously.)

Which is to say, you're supporting my position.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in
news:tksm5h$18d7$1@gioia.aioe.org:

> On 2022-11-12 17:48:23 +0000, pyotr filipivich said:
>
>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) on Sat, 12 Nov 2022
>> 16:57:44 GMT typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>>> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>>> news:l9PbL.74464$1449.32517@fx14.iad:
>>>>
>>>>> For the most part, a nothingburger. However, there are
>>>>> likely lots of small embedded 32-bit processors in devices
>>>>> like routers which may exhibit issues, if they're still
>>>>> running 16 years from now.
>>>>>
>>>> You sound just like the doom criers ("Give me money or you'll
>>>> DIE!!!") in the run up to y2k.
>>>
>>> I said "if they're still running 16 years from now", which is
>>> quite unlikely. However, cheap-ass manufacturers may continue
>>> to use the same software in newer devices, sadly.
>>
>> It is possible. As the cliche was "back in my day" - most
>> of the
>> current batch of programmers have no idea that there are COBOL
>> programs still running which were compiled before they were
>> born.
>>
>> The question is, how many people / organizations have a
>> system
>> which has been running, is running, will be running, with
>> little or no reason to replace it with a New And Improved
>> Hardware?
>
> I used my Apple PowerMac G3 computer for just over 20 years
> before I had to replace it due to it irrepairably breaking down.

Precisely my point.

> My car is 28 years old, and I've had it for 24 of those years.

My car is a lot newer than that, and is completely unaware of what
the date is. So I'm pretty sure it won't care about 2038, either.

> As in another post, our clothes tumble dryer is around 50 years
> old. My mother's bed would be about the same vintage (she
> doesn't want to replace it).
>
And?

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.