On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 18:12:29 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>news:1a92nh1b4c0gnnf2tsq61at0iokjlhie59@4ax.com:
>
>> It got fixed real fast.
>
>But according to the predictions, that's impossible, because
>civilization has ended, and cannibals living in caves lack the
>ability to fix complicated electronics.

Fortunately, this was a rare occurrence, not the new normal.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
news:scs4nhphhs64b5ip08vaen6u6nq3eg0n20@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 18:12:29 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
> <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>>news:1a92nh1b4c0gnnf2tsq61at0iokjlhie59@4ax.com:
>>
>>> It got fixed real fast.
>>
>>But according to the predictions, that's impossible, because
>>civilization has ended, and cannibals living in caves lack the
>>ability to fix complicated electronics.
>
> Fortunately, this was a rare occurrence, not the new normal.

Doomcriers doing their Chicken Little impersonantion is, indeed, and
old, old phenomenon. Old enough to have a fable about it, in fact.

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:51g3nh1d7ovl4ae65869ugav22sbeoqhp8@4ax.com:

> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> on Mon, 14 Nov 2022 16:50:19
> +1300 typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>>
>>Things these days simply aren't made to last, and in many cases
>>they're difficult or impossible to even fix. :-(
>
> Things are designed with (at best) ease of assembly /
> installation
> in mind. Remember the Manza 2+2 which had access to one of the
> spark plugs blocked by an engine mount?

Wasn't there a Cadillac that required lifting the block off the motor
mounts to access the spark plugs?

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 18:11:28 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>news:2692nh5sqaeh4ib95csfmcie379ponq5tg@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:48:23 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>> <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) on Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:57:44
>>>GMT typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>>>>Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>>>>news:l9PbL.74464$1449.32517@fx14.iad:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For the most part, a nothingburger. However, there are
>>>>>> likely lots of small embedded 32-bit processors in devices
>>>>>> like routers which may exhibit issues, if they're still
>>>>>> running 16 years from now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>You sound just like the doom criers ("Give me money or you'll
>>>>>DIE!!!") in the run up to y2k.
>>>>
>>>>I said "if they're still running 16 years from now", which is
>>>>quite unlikely. However, cheap-ass manufacturers may continue
>>>>to use the same software in newer devices, sadly.
>>>
>>> It is possible. As the cliche was "back in my day" - most
>>> of the
>>>current batch of programmers have no idea that there are COBOL
>>>programs still running which were compiled before they were
>>>born.
>>>
>>> The question is, how many people / organizations have a
>>> system
>>>which has been running, is running, will be running, with little
>>>or no reason to replace it with a New And Improved Hardware?
>>
>> Raises hand.
>>
>> (I tend to use my equipment until it literally dies. OK, the DSL
>> modem/router was an exception, but only because the ISP pulled
>> the plug.)
>
>And how often do you have inexpensive appliance devices last 16
>years? How many do you have right now that were bought in 2006?

The Belkin DSL Line Filter I bought to replace the el-cheapo that came
with the first DSL modem and which was preventing my phone from
picking up on incoming calls was working right up to the point it
became redundant because my ISP pulled the plug on DSL. That was last
January.

My other "inexpensive appliance devices" were purchased more recently,
but /not last week or even last year/. My HP Envy was purchased in
2014, the HP Mini in 2010, and the HP Pavillion in 2015.

The older of the two Kindles and the Squeezebox Touch would have been
purchased after/concurrent with the HP Mini and my first 11n router to
test WiFi.

The HP Mini was an experimental purchase, to see what a small laptop
might be used for. It is what was called a "Netbook", and apparently
was run out of the market by tablets. The HP Pavillion was purchased
because a laptop had turned out to have its uses, and I needed one
with more disk space. The HP Envy was purchased when the motherboard
in my XP computer died. Well, either that or both hard drives and
other attachments all got flaky at the same time.

My faithful Nova Electronic L.E.D. Alarm Clock, BTW, was purchased in
1999 and is still going strong. But whether that qualifies as an
"inexpensive appliance device" or not is a good question.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 20:24:50 -0800, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> on Sun, 13 Nov 2022
>09:10:30 -0800 typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>>
>>>>>You sound just like the doom criers ("Give me money or you'll
>>>>>DIE!!!") in the run up to y2k.
>>>>
>>>>I said "if they're still running 16 years from now", which is
>>>>quite unlikely. However, cheap-ass manufacturers may continue
>>>>to use the same software in newer devices, sadly.
>>>
>>> It is possible. As the cliche was "back in my day" - most of the
>>>current batch of programmers have no idea that there are COBOL
>>>programs still running which were compiled before they were born.
>>>
>>> The question is, how many people / organizations have a system
>>>which has been running, is running, will be running, with little or no
>>>reason to replace it with a New And Improved Hardware?
>>
>>Raises hand.
>>
>>(I tend to use my equipment until it literally dies. OK, the DSL
>>modem/router was an exception, but only because the ISP pulled the
>>plug.)
>
> "it was ... a mercy killing." B-)

Considering that I am now paying a different ISP less per month than I
was for DSL (granted, after a $20/mo discount for being a long-term
customer) for optic fibre, as opposed to paying the same amount plus
$10 for "equipment rental" and a 10Mb/s limit (what I have is "up to"
900+Mb/s and the equipment and installation were free), you may have a
point.

But the DSL worked well for me. I doubt that I would /ever/ have
changed, left to my own devices (so to speak).
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

On 11/14/2022 10:02 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in
> news:51g3nh1d7ovl4ae65869ugav22sbeoqhp8@4ax.com:
>
>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> on Mon, 14 Nov 2022 16:50:19
>> +1300 typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>>>
>>> Things these days simply aren't made to last, and in many cases
>>> they're difficult or impossible to even fix. :-(
>>
>> Things are designed with (at best) ease of assembly /
>> installation
>> in mind. Remember the Manza 2+2 which had access to one of the
>> spark plugs blocked by an engine mount?
>
> Wasn't there a Cadillac that required lifting the block off the motor
> mounts to access the spark plugs?

My Dad's 1977 Ford F-350 required laying on top of the air cleaner to
get to the back two plugs in the 460 in3 V8. When I changed the plugs
at 30,000+ miles, it was obvious that the back two plugs had never been
changed as the electrodes were totally burnt off.

Lynn

On 2022-11-14 15:04, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 11/14/2022 10:02 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in
>> news:51g3nh1d7ovl4ae65869ugav22sbeoqhp8@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> on Mon, 14 Nov 2022 16:50:19
>>> +1300 typed in rec.arts.sf.written  the following:
>>>>
>>>> Things these days simply aren't made to last, and in many cases
>>>> they're difficult or impossible to even fix.  :-(
>>>
>>>       Things are designed with (at best) ease of assembly /
>>>       installation
>>> in mind.  Remember the Manza 2+2 which had access to one of the
>>> spark plugs blocked by an engine mount?
>>
>> Wasn't there a Cadillac that required lifting the block off the motor
>> mounts to access the spark plugs?
>
> My Dad's 1977 Ford F-350 required laying on top of the air cleaner to
> get to the back two plugs in the 460 in3 V8.  When I changed the plugs
> at 30,000+ miles, it was obvious that the back two plugs had never been
> changed as the electrodes were totally burnt off.

A buddy of mine was working on Ford pickup for his son to replace some
broken exhaust manifold studs...

(A KNOWN problem with this particular truck)

....because the official Ford repair procedure involved...

....REMOVING THE ENTIRE CAB!

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
news:tkuhik$1rt0u$2@dont-email.me:

> On 11/14/2022 10:02 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in
>> news:51g3nh1d7ovl4ae65869ugav22sbeoqhp8@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> on Mon, 14 Nov 2022 16:50:19
>>> +1300 typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>>>>
>>>> Things these days simply aren't made to last, and in many
>>>> cases they're difficult or impossible to even fix. :-(
>>>
>>> Things are designed with (at best) ease of assembly /
>>> installation
>>> in mind. Remember the Manza 2+2 which had access to one of
>>> the spark plugs blocked by an engine mount?
>>
>> Wasn't there a Cadillac that required lifting the block off the
>> motor mounts to access the spark plugs?
>
> My Dad's 1977 Ford F-350 required laying on top of the air
> cleaner to get to the back two plugs in the 460 in3 V8. When I
> changed the plugs at 30,000+ miles, it was obvious that the back
> two plugs had never been changed as the electrodes were totally
> burnt off.
>
I had an Oldsmobile that would run OK on six cylinders, provided it
was the *right* six (the #1 plug would foul with oil within a hundred
miles due to a leaky valve guide). Got pretty rough, though, at five.
(#1 wasn't the only valve guide that leaked, just the worst.)

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 17:04:52 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 11/14/2022 10:02 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in
>> news:51g3nh1d7ovl4ae65869ugav22sbeoqhp8@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> on Mon, 14 Nov 2022 16:50:19
>>> +1300 typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>>>>
>>>> Things these days simply aren't made to last, and in many cases
>>>> they're difficult or impossible to even fix. :-(
>>>
>>> Things are designed with (at best) ease of assembly /
>>> installation
>>> in mind. Remember the Manza 2+2 which had access to one of the
>>> spark plugs blocked by an engine mount?
>>
>> Wasn't there a Cadillac that required lifting the block off the motor
>> mounts to access the spark plugs?
>
>My Dad's 1977 Ford F-350 required laying on top of the air cleaner to
>get to the back two plugs in the 460 in3 V8. When I changed the plugs
>at 30,000+ miles, it was obvious that the back two plugs had never been
>changed as the electrodes were totally burnt off.

Did that improve it's performance or did they turn out to be
superfluous?
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 15:09:09 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2022-11-14 15:04, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 11/14/2022 10:02 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>> pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in
>>> news:51g3nh1d7ovl4ae65869ugav22sbeoqhp8@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> on Mon, 14 Nov 2022 16:50:19
>>>> +1300 typed in rec.arts.sf.written  the following:
>>>>>
>>>>> Things these days simply aren't made to last, and in many cases
>>>>> they're difficult or impossible to even fix.  :-(
>>>>
>>>>       Things are designed with (at best) ease of assembly /
>>>>       installation
>>>> in mind.  Remember the Manza 2+2 which had access to one of the
>>>> spark plugs blocked by an engine mount?
>>>
>>> Wasn't there a Cadillac that required lifting the block off the motor
>>> mounts to access the spark plugs?
>>
>> My Dad's 1977 Ford F-350 required laying on top of the air cleaner to
>> get to the back two plugs in the 460 in3 V8.  When I changed the plugs
>> at 30,000+ miles, it was obvious that the back two plugs had never been
>> changed as the electrodes were totally burnt off.
>
>A buddy of mine was working on Ford pickup for his son to replace some
>broken exhaust manifold studs...
>
>(A KNOWN problem with this particular truck)
>
>...because the official Ford repair procedure involved...
>
>...REMOVING THE ENTIRE CAB!

Well, if it's under warranty so Ford is paying for it, that /might/ be
OK.

If not, then a known problem combined with a perhaps overly-elaborate
repair procedure doesn't speak well for Ford.

But then, my dad, not a Ford fan, gave two "explanations" for the
name:
Found On Road Dead
Fix Or Replace Daily
and who can say he was wrong?
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> schrieb:
> On 11/12/2022 2:35 PM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>> dvandom@eyrie.org (Dave Van Domelen) wrote in
>
>>> Dave Van Domelen, really tired of the attitude people have
>>> that if a
>>> problem is fixed, then it was never a problem in the first
>>> place.
>>>
>> Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey, really tired of idiots who assume
>> that because professionals did their job once, they can't possibly do
>> so again.
>>
>> It's not a big deal if those professionals keep doing their jobs, and
>> - this is the part you're apparently too stupid to understand -
>> *doing* *their* *jobs* *isn't* *a* *big* *deal* *either*.
>>
>> It's *routine.*
>
> Not a regular reader of the Risks digest, then.

There hasn't been an issue of RISKS for quite some time.
(I'm a reader, and very occasionally a contributor).

In <tl0k9m$3cde4$1@newsreader4.netcologne.de> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes:

[snip]

>> Not a regular reader of the Risks digest, then.

>There hasn't been an issue of RISKS for quite some time.
>(I'm a reader, and very occasionally a contributor).

Just got one last night. PGN is most certainly
still distributing it.

--
_____________________________________________________
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
dannyb@panix.com
[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes:
>Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> schrieb:
>> On 11/12/2022 2:35 PM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>>> dvandom@eyrie.org (Dave Van Domelen) wrote in
>>
>>>> Dave Van Domelen, really tired of the attitude people have
>>>> that if a
>>>> problem is fixed, then it was never a problem in the first
>>>> place.
>>>>
>>> Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey, really tired of idiots who assume
>>> that because professionals did their job once, they can't possibly do
>>> so again.
>>>
>>> It's not a big deal if those professionals keep doing their jobs, and
>>> - this is the part you're apparently too stupid to understand -
>>> *doing* *their* *jobs* *isn't* *a* *big* *deal* *either*.
>>>
>>> It's *routine.*
>>
>> Not a regular reader of the Risks digest, then.
>
>There hasn't been an issue of RISKS for quite some time.
>(I'm a reader, and very occasionally a contributor).

There is one every week. The latest is 33.52, published
November 13, 2022. 33.51 was published November 9,2022.

See comp.risks.

RISKS-LIST: Risks-Forum Digest Sunday 13 November 2022 Volume 33 : Issue 52

On 15.11.22 19:07, danny burstein wrote:
> In <tl0k9m$3cde4$1@newsreader4.netcologne.de> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes:
>
> [snip]
>
>>> Not a regular reader of the Risks digest, then.
>
>> There hasn't been an issue of RISKS for quite some time.
>> (I'm a reader, and very occasionally a contributor).
>
> Just got one last night. PGN is most certainly
> still distributing it.
>
>
>
Yep. weekly issues.
Read all of them.

On 11/15/2022 1:45 PM, Sjouke Burry wrote:
> On 15.11.22 19:07, danny burstein wrote:
>> In <tl0k9m$3cde4$1@newsreader4.netcologne.de> Thomas Koenig
>> <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>>> Not a regular reader of the Risks digest, then.
>>
>>> There hasn't been an issue of RISKS for quite some time.
>>> (I'm a reader, and very occasionally a contributor).
>>
>> Just got one last night.  PGN is most certainly
>> still distributing it.
>>
>>
>>
> Yep. weekly issues.
> Read all of them.

For those who need to catch up: http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/

For those who only see "stupid people" doing stupid things there: don't
bother.

--
Mark Jackson - https://mark-jackson.online/
Reasoning will never make a man correct an ill opinion, which
by reasoning he never acquired: for in the course of things,
men always grow vicious before they become unbelievers.
- Jonathan Swift

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
news:r7i7nhdctpodl8os23hmft381i7tv0iobo@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 15:09:09 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On 2022-11-14 15:04, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 11/14/2022 10:02 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
>>> wrote:
>>>> pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in
>>>> news:51g3nh1d7ovl4ae65869ugav22sbeoqhp8@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> on Mon, 14 Nov 2022
>>>>> 16:50:19 +1300 typed in rec.arts.sf.written� the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Things these days simply aren't made to last, and in many
>>>>>> cases they're difficult or impossible to even fix.� :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> ����� Things are designed with (at best) ease of assembly /
>>>>> ����� installation
>>>>> in mind.� Remember the Manza 2+2 which had access to one of
>>>>> the spark plugs blocked by an engine mount?
>>>>
>>>> Wasn't there a Cadillac that required lifting the block off
>>>> the motor mounts to access the spark plugs?
>>>
>>> My Dad's 1977 Ford F-350 required laying on top of the air
>>> cleaner to get to the back two plugs in the 460 in3 V8.� When
>>> I changed the plugs at 30,000+ miles, it was obvious that the
>>> back two plugs had never been changed as the electrodes were
>>> totally burnt off.
>>
>>A buddy of mine was working on Ford pickup for his son to
>>replace some broken exhaust manifold studs...
>>
>>(A KNOWN problem with this particular truck)
>>
>>...because the official Ford repair procedure involved...
>>
>>...REMOVING THE ENTIRE CAB!
>
> Well, if it's under warranty so Ford is paying for it, that
> /might/ be OK.
>
> If not, then a known problem combined with a perhaps
> overly-elaborate repair procedure doesn't speak well for Ford.
>
> But then, my dad, not a Ford fan, gave two "explanations" for
> the name:
> Found On Road Dead
> Fix Or Replace Daily
> and who can say he was wrong?

The other old saw is, of course, First On Race Day, which has about
as much basis in history (which is to say, a tiny bit, but not
much.)

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On 11/15/2022 11:14 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 17:04:52 -0600, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/14/2022 10:02 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>> pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in
>>> news:51g3nh1d7ovl4ae65869ugav22sbeoqhp8@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> on Mon, 14 Nov 2022 16:50:19
>>>> +1300 typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
>>>>>
>>>>> Things these days simply aren't made to last, and in many cases
>>>>> they're difficult or impossible to even fix. :-(
>>>>
>>>> Things are designed with (at best) ease of assembly /
>>>> installation
>>>> in mind. Remember the Manza 2+2 which had access to one of the
>>>> spark plugs blocked by an engine mount?
>>>
>>> Wasn't there a Cadillac that required lifting the block off the motor
>>> mounts to access the spark plugs?
>>
>> My Dad's 1977 Ford F-350 required laying on top of the air cleaner to
>> get to the back two plugs in the 460 in3 V8. When I changed the plugs
>> at 30,000+ miles, it was obvious that the back two plugs had never been
>> changed as the electrodes were totally burnt off.
>
> Did that improve it's performance or did they turn out to be
> superfluous?

Gas mileage changed from 5 mpg to 6 mpg.

Lynn

In article <XnsAF5076CFCB35Ctaustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>news:r7i7nhdctpodl8os23hmft381i7tv0iobo@4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 15:09:09 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2022-11-14 15:04, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 11/14/2022 10:02 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:51g3nh1d7ovl4ae65869ugav22sbeoqhp8@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> on Mon, 14 Nov 2022
>>>>>> 16:50:19 +1300 typed in rec.arts.sf.written� the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Things these days simply aren't made to last, and in many
>>>>>>> cases they're difficult or impossible to even fix.� :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ����� Things are designed with (at best) ease of assembly /
>>>>>> ����� installation
>>>>>> in mind.� Remember the Manza 2+2 which had access to one of
>>>>>> the spark plugs blocked by an engine mount?
>>>>>
>>>>> Wasn't there a Cadillac that required lifting the block off
>>>>> the motor mounts to access the spark plugs?
>>>>
>>>> My Dad's 1977 Ford F-350 required laying on top of the air
>>>> cleaner to get to the back two plugs in the 460 in3 V8.� When
>>>> I changed the plugs at 30,000+ miles, it was obvious that the
>>>> back two plugs had never been changed as the electrodes were
>>>> totally burnt off.
>>>
>>>A buddy of mine was working on Ford pickup for his son to
>>>replace some broken exhaust manifold studs...
>>>
>>>(A KNOWN problem with this particular truck)
>>>
>>>...because the official Ford repair procedure involved...
>>>
>>>...REMOVING THE ENTIRE CAB!
>>
>> Well, if it's under warranty so Ford is paying for it, that
>> /might/ be OK.
>>
>> If not, then a known problem combined with a perhaps
>> overly-elaborate repair procedure doesn't speak well for Ford.
>>
>> But then, my dad, not a Ford fan, gave two "explanations" for
>> the name:
>> Found On Road Dead
>> Fix Or Replace Daily
>> and who can say he was wrong?
>
>The other old saw is, of course, First On Race Day, which has about
>as much basis in history (which is to say, a tiny bit, but not
>much.)
>

I found an entire Ford Joke Book at my aunt's house once. Probably
from the 1920s:

Did you know Ford is mentioned in the Bible?

Really?

Well, what other car could Ascend to Heaven on 'High'?

Did you know all Fords must now be painted red?

No, why?

Because the law says any tin-can filled with gasoline must
be painted red!

--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

On 11/12/22 5:09 PM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:o0idnQslu6gLie3-nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> On 11/12/22 11:32 AM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>> news:l9PbL.74464$1449.32517@fx14.iad:
>>>
>>>> For the most part, a nothingburger. However, there are
>>>> likely lots of small embedded 32-bit processors in devices
>>>> like routers which may exhibit issues, if they're still
>>>> running 16 years from now.
>>>>
>>> You sound just like the doom criers ("Give me money or you'll
>>> DIE!!!") in the run up to y2k.
>>>
>>> How many appliances with embedded processors running today do
>>> you actually believe will still be functional in another 16
>>> years?
>>>
>>> https://www.wired.com/2000/01/y2k-alarmist-wha-happened/
>>>
>>
>> Do not misunderstand. The Y2K problem was very real, and started
>> causing serious damage at least as early as August 16, 1972
>> (9999 days before Y2K), when tapes on IBM mainframes that were
>> supposed to be marked “retain forever” started to be marked
>> "ready for recycling” instead.
>
> Serious, perhaps, but not especially wide spread.

Really? Tell me, are you saying that IBM mainframes were uncommon in
1972, or that few of them used 2400-foot tapes?

>> (It was also about that time that our operating system—to be
>> fair to IBM, it was a beta—started crashing every day at
>> exactly 7:00PM EST. It turned out to be caused by a zero divide
>> in the rollover-GMT code—7:00PM EST is midnight, GMT. And why
>> the zero divide? Ultimately, because one IBM coder was aware
>> that, in the Gregorian Calendar, AD 1900 had skipped leap year,
>> while another coder was blissfully unaware of it.)
>>
> And did hellfire rain down from the heavens, with cats and dogs
> living together, heralding the end of human civilization? No.
> Nobody kicked your dog, either. Professionals fixed it, and life
> went on.
>
> And we know 2038 is coming. Decades in advance.
>

--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!

ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
>In article <XnsAF5076CFCB35Ctaustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
>Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>>news:r7i7nhdctpodl8os23hmft381i7tv0iobo@4ax.com:

>>> Well, if it's under warranty so Ford is paying for it, that
>>> /might/ be OK.
>>>
>>> If not, then a known problem combined with a perhaps
>>> overly-elaborate repair procedure doesn't speak well for Ford.
>>>
>>> But then, my dad, not a Ford fan, gave two "explanations" for
>>> the name:
>>> Found On Road Dead
>>> Fix Or Replace Daily
>>> and who can say he was wrong?
>>
>>The other old saw is, of course, First On Race Day, which has about
>>as much basis in history (which is to say, a tiny bit, but not
>>much.)
>>
>
>I found an entire Ford Joke Book at my aunt's house once. Probably
>from the 1920s:
>
> Did you know Ford is mentioned in the Bible?
>
> Really?
>
> Well, what other car could Ascend to Heaven on 'High'?
>
> Did you know all Fords must now be painted red?
>
> No, why?
>
> Because the law says any tin-can filled with gasoline must
> be painted red!

Yet, the Model T, Model A and pony cars are quite highly sought after,
even today.

My Ranger was rock solid until a dereecho dropped a tree on it (18 years
after purchase).

John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote in
news:aLqcnXaJr_WAau7-nZ2dnZfqn_oAAAAA@giganews.com:

> On 11/12/22 5:09 PM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>> John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:o0idnQslu6gLie3-nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>> On 11/12/22 11:32 AM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>>> news:l9PbL.74464$1449.32517@fx14.iad:
>>>>
>>>>> For the most part, a nothingburger. However, there are
>>>>> likely lots of small embedded 32-bit processors in devices
>>>>> like routers which may exhibit issues, if they're still
>>>>> running 16 years from now.
>>>>>
>>>> You sound just like the doom criers ("Give me money or you'll
>>>> DIE!!!") in the run up to y2k.
>>>>
>>>> How many appliances with embedded processors running today do
>>>> you actually believe will still be functional in another 16
>>>> years?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.wired.com/2000/01/y2k-alarmist-wha-happened/
>>>>
>>>
>>> Do not misunderstand. The Y2K problem was very real, and
>>> started causing serious damage at least as early as August 16,
>>> 1972 (9999 days before Y2K), when tapes on IBM mainframes that
>>> were supposed to be marked “retain forever” started to be
>>> marked "ready for recycling” instead.
>>
>> Serious, perhaps, but not especially wide spread.
>
> Really? Tell me, are you saying that IBM mainframes were
> uncommon in 1972, or that few of them used 2400-foot tapes?

By comparison to today, yes, they were uncommon. And they were all
being handled by people who knew what they were doing. And few
businesses relied on them to the degree that most businesses do
today, so that if they're without it for a short time, it's not a
catastrophe.

Can you point me to a single news story about how catastrophic a
problem it was? No? Why do you suppose that is?

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On 2022-11-15 11:45, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:aLqcnXaJr_WAau7-nZ2dnZfqn_oAAAAA@giganews.com:
>
>> On 11/12/22 5:09 PM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>>> John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:o0idnQslu6gLie3-nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> On 11/12/22 11:32 AM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>>>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>>>> news:l9PbL.74464$1449.32517@fx14.iad:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For the most part, a nothingburger. However, there are
>>>>>> likely lots of small embedded 32-bit processors in devices
>>>>>> like routers which may exhibit issues, if they're still
>>>>>> running 16 years from now.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You sound just like the doom criers ("Give me money or you'll
>>>>> DIE!!!") in the run up to y2k.
>>>>>
>>>>> How many appliances with embedded processors running today do
>>>>> you actually believe will still be functional in another 16
>>>>> years?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.wired.com/2000/01/y2k-alarmist-wha-happened/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do not misunderstand. The Y2K problem was very real, and
>>>> started causing serious damage at least as early as August 16,
>>>> 1972 (9999 days before Y2K), when tapes on IBM mainframes that
>>>> were supposed to be marked “retain forever” started to be
>>>> marked "ready for recycling” instead.
>>>
>>> Serious, perhaps, but not especially wide spread.
>>
>> Really? Tell me, are you saying that IBM mainframes were
>> uncommon in 1972, or that few of them used 2400-foot tapes?
>
> By comparison to today, yes, they were uncommon.

If by allowing personal computers into the comparison...

> And they were all
> being handled by people who knew what they were doing.

LOL!

> And few
> businesses relied on them to the degree that most businesses do
> today, so that if they're without it for a short time, it's not a
> catastrophe.

LOL!

>
> Can you point me to a single news story about how catastrophic a
> problem it was? No? Why do you suppose that is?

Because people reacted with appropriate seriousness to the problem.

Just like how at least some of the people in charge reacted with
appropriate serious to COVID-19 when you were dismissing it as nothing
more than a bad flu season.

You remember that, right?

In article <tkmbd3$uc0u$2@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>xkcd: Y2K and 2038
> https://xkcd.com/2697/
>
>It shouldn't cost more than a trillion dollars or two to investigate this.
>
>Explained at:
> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2697:_Y2K_and_2038

(Hal Heydt)
The *nix world is well into the shift to 64-bit date variables.

On 11/15/2022 6:09 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <tkmbd3$uc0u$2@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> xkcd: Y2K and 2038
>> https://xkcd.com/2697/
>>
>> It shouldn't cost more than a trillion dollars or two to investigate this.
>>
>> Explained at:
>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2697:_Y2K_and_2038
>
> (Hal Heydt)
> The *nix world is well into the shift to 64-bit date variables.

Yup. But has the client software been upgraded ?

Thanks,
Lynn

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>On 11/15/2022 6:09 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <tkmbd3$uc0u$2@dont-email.me>,
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> xkcd: Y2K and 2038
>>> https://xkcd.com/2697/
>>>
>>> It shouldn't cost more than a trillion dollars or two to investigate this.
>>>
>>> Explained at:
>>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2697:_Y2K_and_2038
>>
>> (Hal Heydt)
>> The *nix world is well into the shift to 64-bit date variables.
>
>Yup. But has the client software been upgraded ?

For the most part, yes.