On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:32:36 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:28:25 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 9:09:53 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:15:23 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> muse?
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &..
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
> > > >> > > > > >>> > Should she have?
> > > >> > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> > > >> > > > >
> > >
> > > >> > > > > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
> > > >> > > > > Pendragon damned well knows it.
> > > >> > > > That only accounts for one of the accusations.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
> > > >> > > That's not plagiarism, though.
> > > >> > What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?
> > > >> George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from PJR. And you know that, as well.
> > >
> > > > No, it was a parody, satire of PJR.
> > >
> > > > Fair use.
> > > Exactly, you nailed that onme, Doc...!
> > Obvious, probably even to PJR himself.
> Obviously not, since PJR accused George Dance of having plagiarized it from him.

I didn't say PJR would admit it, little monkey.

HTH and HAND.

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> Michael Pendragon
> "He's not obsessing, he's laughing.overover this typo..."
> -- Will Donkey laughing overover other people's typos.