On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 7:33:48 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> George J. Dance wrote:
>
> > On 2022-11-02 9:03 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 12:04:09 AM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:25:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> postpoetry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~~
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaker of the poem needs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muse?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teacher we once had here:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That saying has been used too much here.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Should she have?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that.....
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pendragon damned well knows it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That only accounts for one of the accusations.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's not plagiarism, though.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from PJR. And you know that, as well.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> No, it was a parody, satire of PJR.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Fair use.
> >>>>>>>>>> Exactly, you nailed that onme, Doc...!
> >>>>>>>>> Obvious, probably even to PJR himself.
> >>>>>>>> Obviously not, since PJR accused George Dance of having plagiarized it from him.
> >>>>>>> I didn't say PJR would admit it, little monkey.
> >>>>>> Was George's "Penny's Hat" blog a satire as well, Donkey?
> >>>>> I don't remember, we should ask George Dance, little monkey.
> >>>
> >>>> If you like. I do remember reading PJR's accusation, and finding it disturbingly convincing.
> >>> Your memory is not well known to be very trustworthy, Pen.
> >>
> >> I am known for having an exceptional memory, Stink.
> >>
> >> I could easily find and repost PJR's accusation, but I doubt that George Dance would be happy about it.
> >>
> >> I also doubt that George Dance appreciates how you and your Donkey insist on pressing the issue. As previously noted, I don't believe that George Dance intentionally set out to plagiarize PJR.
> >>
> >> However, that is precisely what he did
>
>
> > No, that was a false accusation of PJ Ross's (and, now, yours). The
> > alleged plagiaized poem that PJ Ross claimed I'd posted never existed.
> > When that was not just pointed out but proven, he simply made up a story
> > that I'd "deleted" it (not just from Google groups, but from all of
> > usenet).
>
>
> >> , and raking it over the coals, yet another time, does nothing to improve his reputation.
>
>
> > Actually, I think allowing bogus allegations like the above one go
> > unanswered would be far worse for my reputation.
> Pendragon has based a bit of his persona on PJR, he wanted to have PJR mentor him, remember?

PP or STFU, Donkey.