Michael Pendragon <michaelmaleficapendragon@gmail.com> wrote in
news:3b778939-97f4-45a5-b0da-0487f92732a9n@googlegroups.com:

> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 7:33:48 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery
> wrote:
>> George J. Dance wrote:
>>
>> > On 2022-11-02 9:03 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 12:04:09 AM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> >>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:25:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery
>> >>>> wrote
>:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pen
> dragon wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dock
> ery wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC, g
> eorge....@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> postpoetry
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~~
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Professo
> r"; it's about what the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaker of the poem needs.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> speaker might be a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muse?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
> lack of punctuation help your poem?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're
> there for.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You did not address the visual demand for six
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ampe
> rsands..
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by &
> .
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "and."
> I can understand you
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not knowing that, but it's something you could
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
> Googled.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another wa
> nnabe online poetry
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teacher we once had here:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> writer of the poem.."
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That saying has been used too much here.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> so often.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The poem still represents your attempt at
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creativi
> ty.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "plagiariz
> ed" yet..
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Should she have?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes.
>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opini
> on), but *should* she have.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Dance is known (with or without
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justification)
> for
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.....
>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pendragon damned well knows it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That only accounts for one of the accusations.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both Jim and I were victims of another form of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> literary t
> heft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website
> and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's not plagiarism, though.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What part of "another form" are you failing to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> comprehend?
>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> PJR. A
> nd you know that, as well.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> No, it was a parody, satire of PJR.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Fair use.
>> >>>>>>>>>> Exactly, you nailed that onme, Doc...!
>> >>>>>>>>> Obvious, probably even to PJR himself.
>> >>>>>>>> Obviously not, since PJR accused George Dance of having
>> >>>>>>>> plagiari
> zed it from him.
>> >>>>>>> I didn't say PJR would admit it, little monkey.
>> >>>>>> Was George's "Penny's Hat" blog a satire as well, Donkey?
>> >>>>> I don't remember, we should ask George Dance, little monkey.
>> >>>
>> >>>> If you like. I do remember reading PJR's accusation, and finding
>> >>>> it
> disturbingly convincing.
>> >>> Your memory is not well known to be very trustworthy, Pen.
>> >>
>> >> I am known for having an exceptional memory, Stink.
>> >>
>> >> I could easily find and repost PJR's accusation, but I doubt that
>> >> Geor
> ge Dance would be happy about it.
>> >>
>> >> I also doubt that George Dance appreciates how you and your Donkey
>> >> ins
> ist on pressing the issue. As previously noted, I don't believe that
> George Dance intentionally set out to plagiarize PJR.
>> >>
>> >> However, that is precisely what he did
>>
>>
>> > No, that was a false accusation of PJ Ross's (and, now, yours). The
>> > alleged plagiaized poem that PJ Ross claimed I'd posted never
>> > existed.
>
>> > When that was not just pointed out but proven, he simply made up a
>> > story
>> > that I'd "deleted" it (not just from Google groups, but from all of
>> > usenet).
>>
>>
>> >> , and raking it over the coals, yet another time, does nothing to
>> >> improve his reputation.
>>
>>
>> > Actually, I think allowing bogus allegations like the above one go
>> > unanswered would be far worse for my reputation.
>> Pendragon has based a bit of his persona on PJR, he wanted to have
>> PJR mentor him, remember?
>
> PP or STFU, Donkey.

Q. Why is the Dreckweasel trying to evade the subject with lame
"whataboutisms"?

A. To muddle his hypocrisy, lies or stupidity.

If Duckery put that energy into child support payments instead, he
wouldn't be a deadbeat father.

When your kids are shortchanged
And your shirts smell real strange
That's a D-o-o-o-o-o-o-chebag!

--
"If the viewer doesn't read the language the film is in, that's why
subtitles are provided." - Will Dockery being his usual incoherent
self.