On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 3:05:18 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 7:33:48 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> George J. Dance wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 2022-11-02 9:03 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> >> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 12:04:09 AM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >> >>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:25:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> postpoetry
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~~
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaker of the poem needs.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muse?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &..
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teacher we once had here:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That saying has been used too much here.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Should she have?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes..
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that......
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pendragon damned well knows it.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That only accounts for one of the accusations.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's not plagiarism, though.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from PJR.. And you know that, as well.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> No, it was a parody, satire of PJR.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Fair use.
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Exactly, you nailed that onme, Doc...!
> >> >>>>>>>>> Obvious, probably even to PJR himself.
> >> >>>>>>>> Obviously not, since PJR accused George Dance of having plagiarized it from him.
> >> >>>>>>> I didn't say PJR would admit it, little monkey.
> >> >>>>>> Was George's "Penny's Hat" blog a satire as well, Donkey?
> >> >>>>> I don't remember, we should ask George Dance, little monkey.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> If you like. I do remember reading PJR's accusation, and finding it disturbingly convincing.
> >> >>> Your memory is not well known to be very trustworthy, Pen.
> >> >>
> >> >> I am known for having an exceptional memory, Stink.
> >> >>
> >> >> I could easily find and repost PJR's accusation, but I doubt that George Dance would be happy about it.
> >> >>
> >> >> I also doubt that George Dance appreciates how you and your Donkey insist on pressing the issue. As previously noted, I don't believe that George Dance intentionally set out to plagiarize PJR.
> >> >>
> >> >> However, that is precisely what he did
> >>
> >>
> >> > No, that was a false accusation of PJ Ross's (and, now, yours). The
> >> > alleged plagiaized poem that PJ Ross claimed I'd posted never existed.
> >> > When that was not just pointed out but proven, he simply made up a story
> >> > that I'd "deleted" it (not just from Google groups, but from all of
> >> > usenet).
> >>
> >>
> >> >> , and raking it over the coals, yet another time, does nothing to improve his reputation.
> >>
> >>
> >> > Actually, I think allowing bogus allegations like the above one go
> >> > unanswered would be far worse for my reputation.
> >> Pendragon has based a bit of his persona on PJR, he wanted to have PJR mentor him, remember?
>
> > PP or STFU
> You know I can prove it, little monkey.

If I thought you could prove it, I wouldn't have asked for proof.

Now PP or STFU.