On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 3:22:35 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 3:05:18 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > > On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 7:33:48 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> George J. Dance wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > On 2022-11-02 9:03 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> >> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 12:04:09 AM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > >> >>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:25:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> postpoetry
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~~
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaker of the poem needs.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muse?
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &..
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teacher we once had here:
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That saying has been used too much here.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Should she have?
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that......
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pendragon damned well knows it.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That only accounts for one of the accusations.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's not plagiarism, though.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from PJR. And you know that, as well.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> No, it was a parody, satire of PJR.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Fair use.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Exactly, you nailed that onme, Doc...!
> > >> >>>>>>>>> Obvious, probably even to PJR himself.
> > >> >>>>>>>> Obviously not, since PJR accused George Dance of having plagiarized it from him.
> > >> >>>>>>> I didn't say PJR would admit it, little monkey.
> > >> >>>>>> Was George's "Penny's Hat" blog a satire as well, Donkey?
> > >> >>>>> I don't remember, we should ask George Dance, little monkey.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> If you like. I do remember reading PJR's accusation, and finding it disturbingly convincing.
> > >> >>> Your memory is not well known to be very trustworthy, Pen.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I am known for having an exceptional memory, Stink.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I could easily find and repost PJR's accusation, but I doubt that George Dance would be happy about it.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I also doubt that George Dance appreciates how you and your Donkey insist on pressing the issue. As previously noted, I don't believe that George Dance intentionally set out to plagiarize PJR.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> However, that is precisely what he did
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > No, that was a false accusation of PJ Ross's (and, now, yours). The
> > >> > alleged plagiaized poem that PJ Ross claimed I'd posted never existed.
> > >> > When that was not just pointed out but proven, he simply made up a story
> > >> > that I'd "deleted" it (not just from Google groups, but from all of
> > >> > usenet).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >> , and raking it over the coals, yet another time, does nothing to improve his reputation.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Actually, I think allowing bogus allegations like the above one go
> > >> > unanswered would be far worse for my reputation.
> > >> Pendragon has based a bit of his persona on PJR, he wanted to have PJR mentor him, remember?
> >
> > > PP or STFU
> > You know I can prove it, little monkey.
> If I thought you could prove it,

Your poor memory is showing again, Pendragon.

You probably don't even remember PJR laughing as he rejected you.

🙂

I wouldn't have asked for proof.
>
> Now PP or STFU.