Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> wrote in
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> On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 10:32:06 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
> Kujisalimisha wrote:
>
>> Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>> news:24po4hp6tsb7peb0hhc1rlbnc75v8c0o1c@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Mon, 04 Apr 2022 10:59:13 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>>> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>>>>news:hssg4hl2pbnqr26rdhh3qudlo7ria82a2i@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 09:53:43 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>>>>> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Andrew McDowell <mcdowell_ag@sky.com> wrote in
>>>>>>news:342571b7-0a8a-4cb7-afa3-c69cdce6fcabn@googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 1:14:39 AM UTC+1, Quadibloc
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I can't bring myself to have a lot of sympathy for Chris
>>>>>>>> Rock. He should have realized that in this day and age,
>>>>>>>> making jokes based on alopecia is something our society
>>>>>>>> no longer accepts; it's viewed the same way we view
>>>>>>>> making jokes about someone with a disability or an
>>>>>>>> exceptionality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thus, the movie Tropic Thunder was condemned for the
>>>>>>>> frequent use of what is now called "the R-word" within
>>>>>>>> it, with the intent to convey the same attitude towards
>>>>>>>> the word in question as the phrase "the N-word" does.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So if Chris Rock winds up being "cancelled", well, even
>>>>>>>> if it is terribly unjust instead of serving him right,
>>>>>>>> it's only to be expected.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But what about Will Smith?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While it is true that it isn't really appropriate to
>>>>>>>> approve of his reaction, waxing eloquent about how
>>>>>>>> physical violence must never be condoned regardless of
>>>>>>>> the provocation... would be hypocritical, at least on my
>>>>>>>> part. Because I don't feel like waggilng my finger in the
>>>>>>>> same way at Dr. Edwin Aldrin, who lost his temper at an
>>>>>>>> advocate of the notion that the moon landings were a hoax
>>>>>>>> who called him a liar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Edwin Aldrin and Will Smith are two unique human
>>>>>>>> individuals. So it would be untrue to say that the only
>>>>>>>> difference between them is that Edwin Aldrin is a real
>>>>>>>> astronaut, and Will Smith only played one in the movie
>>>>>>>> Independence Day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But I'm only going to note _one_ other difference between
>>>>>>>> the two of them. And no points for guessing which one of
>>>>>>>> those many differences it is going to be.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because while what Will Smith did wasn't an evil act, and
>>>>>>>> it doesn't make him a bad man, it still will have evil
>>>>>>>> consequences.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because, unlike Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin, Will Smith...
>>>>>>>> doesn't have white privilege? Maybe _that's_ not the
>>>>>>>> right way to put it; if Will Smith had been hauled away
>>>>>>>> by the LAPD, _then_ that would be a sequence of events
>>>>>>>> fitting that paradigm.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But it's still something in that area.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because to a lot of the white people who either saw what
>>>>>>>> transpired on the Oscars that night, or who just heard
>>>>>>>> about it, the incident will only serve as confirmation to
>>>>>>>> some of the most harmful racial stereotypes that have
>>>>>>>> been floating around for hundreds of years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The conclusion that has been supported once again is this
>>>>>>>> one:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can put a suit and a tie on a black man, but you
>>>>>>>> can't change his "real" nature, said nature being that
>>>>>>>> of... an impulsive small child. A savage at heart, rather
>>>>>>>> than a civilized adult.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is where a legitimate criticism of Will Smith needs
>>>>>>>> to start; not with hypocritical sanctimony about physical
>>>>>>>> violence, but with honestly facing the damage he has the
>>>>>>>> potential of doing to the fragile progress being made by
>>>>>>>> Americans of color.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John Savard
>>>>>>> We now know from sports that even very mild head trauma
>>>>>>> can be dangerous, so we should be even less tolerant of
>>>>>>> attacks than before, regardless of excuse. As it happens,
>>>>>>> I find the reported joke entirely unobjectionable
>>>>>>> (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/mar/27/will-smith-pu
>>>>>>> nc h- ch ris-rock-wife-joke-gi-jane-video-oscars). I find
>>>>>>> any culture that regards violence as the proper reaction
>>>>>>> to perceived so-called disrespect much more troubling.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Every state in the US has some form of "fighting words" law,
>>>>>>wherein it is recognized that there are things one can say
>>>>>>that are *so* offensive that any reasonable person would
>>>>>>respond with violence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rock's joke did not rise to that level. It was, perhaps, in
>>>>>>bad taste (but most comedy is), and perhaps not particularly
>>>>>>funny, in context, but it certainly wasn't "fighting words."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Smith's lucky that Rock doesn't want to pursue it in a legal
>>>>>>venue. I guess he's too busy booking more shows due to the
>>>>>>massive increase in ticket sales for his concerts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly. The free publicity is worth more than pursuing
>>>>> criminal action. Which might reduce the value of the free
>>>>> publicity.
>>>>
>>>>Plus, it was a slap. Technically, battery, but c'mon. Man up
>>>>and don't whine. Which Rock did. (I suspect that, while he
>>>>should have known that Smith's wife is bald due to a medical
>>>>condition, he probably didn't concsiously realize it when he
>>>>wrote the joke, which was apparently improved (if he'd
>>>>rehearsed it, it's likely somebody would have say, "Hey, dude,
>>>>remember . . .). In the moment, he was too surprised to react,
>>>>and by the time he gave any real thought to police reports, I
>>>>suspect he felt bad about the joke anyway.)
>>>
>>> We are, of course, overlooking the obvious point that these
>>> are /performers/ on /television/, meaning the whole thing
>>> could have been rehearsed beforehand and written into the
>>> script.
>>
>> Many thought that at first, but it appears not, based on pretty
>> much everything anyone involved has said.
>
>
> As several people pointed out Chris Rock is not that good of an
> actor. Or a comedian either, if he was after the "Keep your
> mouth off of my wife" he would have answered "From what I hear I
> am the only dude who does not have his mouth on your wife".
>
And he was clearly too surprised in the moment to have been
expecting it. While, in theory, he might have faked it, that
wouldn't have been the script if it was planned.

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