On 27/11/2023 11:29 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Noddy wrote:

>> Suffice to say there is no way *any* new car today is going to be
>> shipped to a dealer with a sump full of "running in" oil and expected
>> to last 10k km's or more before it sees it's first change to "regular"
>> engine oil :)
>
> I wont echo any more of Xeno's posts. he just keeps going on and on and
> on..

Fine with me, as nothing he says makes sense to anyone but him.

It's his standard stock in trade. To be honest I'm not sure how you
haven't managed to see through it before now.

<shrug>

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Noddy.

On 27/11/2023 11:35 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Clocky wrote:
>> On 27/11/2023 2:21 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>> On Monday, 27 November 2023 at 13:31:33 UTC+11, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/11/2023 12:24 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> They are not programmed to do anything *other* than learn from the
>>>>>>>> way you drive so they can update themselves to suit your particular
>>>>>>>> driving habits.
>>>>>>> I knew the Magna did that but I didn't know they all did
>>>>>> I'm not aware of any today that don't, and that's been the case for
>>>>>> some time. Your ZS will be no different.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That must have been a very long time ago, as car manufacturers
>>>>>>>> haven't used running in oil for many years.
>>>>>>> yeah, I've been around for a while..  :)
>>>>>> Apparently :)
>>>>>>
>>>>> I still miss the Magna. :(  wish I had have kept it. for the money
>>>>> I got
>>>>> for it ($2,250) I might as well have. just for fun I put it into car
>>>>> sales. valued at $3,300 - $4,600
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>   As I said to you at the time I would have snapped it up, ah well
>>>> win some lose some. ;)
>>>
>>> I remember. whoever got it at the time good a really good one.
>>> shortly after I traded it I actually asked the dealer if I could buy
>>> it back, but they had already sent it off to the trade. I'll probably
>>> have a good ZS to sell in twelve months or so tho!  :) (just kidding)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If you know the rego of your old car punch it into your states rego
>> check to see if it's still registered with those plates.
>>
>>
>>
>
> registration cancelled  :(
>
Probably went to the wreckers.
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Noddy wrote:
> On 27/11/2023 11:29 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Noddy wrote:
>
>>> Suffice to say there is no way *any* new car today is going to be
>>> shipped to a dealer with a sump full of "running in" oil and
>>> expected to last 10k km's or more before it sees it's first change
>>> to "regular" engine oil :)
>>
>> I wont echo any more of Xeno's posts. he just keeps going on and on
>> and on..
>
> Fine with me, as nothing he says makes sense to anyone but him.
>
>
> It's his standard stock in trade. To be honest I'm not sure how you
> haven't managed to see through it before now.
>
> <shrug>
>
>

even Clocky disagreed with him.

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Xeno wrote:
> On 27/11/2023 11:35 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Clocky wrote:
>>> On 27/11/2023 2:21 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, 27 November 2023 at 13:31:33 UTC+11, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/11/2023 12:24 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> They are not programmed to do anything *other* than learn from
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> way you drive so they can update themselves to suit your
>>>>>>>>> particular
>>>>>>>>> driving habits.
>>>>>>>> I knew the Magna did that but I didn't know they all did
>>>>>>> I'm not aware of any today that don't, and that's been the case for
>>>>>>> some time. Your ZS will be no different.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That must have been a very long time ago, as car manufacturers
>>>>>>>>> haven't used running in oil for many years.
>>>>>>>> yeah, I've been around for a while..  :)
>>>>>>> Apparently :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I still miss the Magna. :(  wish I had have kept it. for the
>>>>>> money I got
>>>>>> for it ($2,250) I might as well have. just for fun I put it into car
>>>>>> sales. valued at $3,300 - $4,600
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>   As I said to you at the time I would have snapped it up, ah well
>>>>> win some lose some. ;)
>>>>
>>>> I remember. whoever got it at the time good a really good one.
>>>> shortly after I traded it I actually asked the dealer if I could
>>>> buy it back, but they had already sent it off to the trade. I'll
>>>> probably have a good ZS to sell in twelve months or so tho!  :)
>>>> (just kidding)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you know the rego of your old car punch it into your states rego
>>> check to see if it's still registered with those plates.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> registration cancelled  :(
>>
> Probably went to the wreckers.

I don't know why, considering the excellent condition it was in, unless
whoever bought it trashed it, or it was written off as a result of an
accident

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On 28/11/2023 12:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>> On 27/11/2023 11:29 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> Suffice to say there is no way *any* new car today is going to be
>>>> shipped to a dealer with a sump full of "running in" oil and
>>>> expected to last 10k km's or more before it sees it's first change
>>>> to "regular" engine oil :)
>>>
>>> I wont echo any more of Xeno's posts. he just keeps going on and on
>>> and on..
>>
>> Fine with me, as nothing he says makes sense to anyone but him.
>>
>>
>> It's his standard stock in trade. To be honest I'm not sure how you
>> haven't managed to see through it before now.
>>
>> <shrug>
>>
>>
>
> even Clocky disagreed with him.

That's because he was talking utter nonsense and making a complete fool
of himself, and as much as he usually likes to support him Clocky
obviously wanted to distance himself from the rubbish he was putting up.

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Noddy.

On 28/11/2023 12:52 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Xeno wrote:

>>>
>> Probably went to the wreckers.
>
> I don't know why, considering the excellent condition it was in, unless
> whoever bought it trashed it, or it was written off as a result of an
> accident

It prolly got pranged. It happens.

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Noddy.

Mighty Mouse wrote:
> alvey wrote:
>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> why do you write long detailed replies to ppl who won't see them? I
>>> know you say he doesn't 'really' have you blocked, but that is unproven.
>>
>> It's also unproven that he doesn't.
>
> yep
>
>>
>> Then there's the small matter that he *has* responded directly to
>> people who he brayed *were* in his mighty killfile.
>
> not sure if he has or just replied to echoed posts

I'm sure.

brev snip

> well he certainly knows what he's talking about in this thread, plus
> what he says confirms what I think, and I'm never wrong  :)

You mean aside from your car-buying history...

alvey

Noddy wrote:
> On 27/11/2023 7:12 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> alvey wrote:
>
>>> Then there's the small matter that he *has* responded directly to
>>> people who he brayed *were* in his mighty killfile.
>>
>> not sure if he has or just replied to echoed posts
>
> Not for a very long time, and either because I'd reinstalled Thunderbird
> and didn't have the filters set, or was using a machine where the
> filters weren't enabled.

Righttttt. So you couldn't remember that you'd (noisily) put someone in
the bin. I believe you Fraudster. Honest.

alvey

Noddy wrote:

>
> Alvery thinks he's the centre of the universe

Wrong.

> and therefore his every
> utterance is a pearler of wisdom worthy of being chiselled into stone.

lol!
You can't even get cliches right. It's "pearl of wisdom" Fraudster.

> The unfortunate reality for him is... <snip>

yawn. Been here. Done you.
Repeat: As a proven congenital liar and fantasist, you defining
"reality" is as funny as anything Python ever did.

> that he shares the same mental
> illness that his mate Clasener does in that he suffers from extreme
> relevance deprivation and cannot conceive of the idea that there are
> people who genuinely couldn't care less about anything they had to say.

Have you asked Santa for a new Cliche Generator? You really, really need
a new one.

> So they just pretend that the *real* world doesn't exist and play out
> the fantasy one in their heads instead where they're the most popular
> people on the planet and everyone loves them.

Oh FFS Fraudster! YOU'RE the one who tried to set up the fantasy world
you describe. I'm one of those who destroyed it with reality.
>
> Poor deluded mental cases that they are :)

Mental illness is a real fixation with you. I'm assuming that it has its
roots deep under your family tree.

alvey
Wondering what fantastic achievements Fraudster would have claimed by
now if he hadn't been exposed by reality.

On Monday, 27 November 2023 at 17:21:45 UTC+11, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> > On Monday, 27 November 2023 at 13:31:33 UTC+11, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> >> Noddy wrote:
> >>> On 27/11/2023 12:24 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> >>>> Noddy wrote:
> >>>>> They are not programmed to do anything *other* than learn from the
> >>>>> way you drive so they can update themselves to suit your particular
> >>>>> driving habits.
> >>>> I knew the Magna did that but I didn't know they all did
> >>> I'm not aware of any today that don't, and that's been the case for
> >>> some time. Your ZS will be no different.
> >>>
> >>>>> That must have been a very long time ago, as car manufacturers
> >>>>> haven't used running in oil for many years.
> >>>> yeah, I've been around for a while.. :)
> >>> Apparently :)
> >>>
> >> I still miss the Magna. :( wish I had have kept it. for the money I got
> >> for it ($2,250) I might as well have. just for fun I put it into car
> >> sales. valued at $3,300 - $4,600
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > As I said to you at the time I would have snapped it up, ah well win some lose some. ;)
> I remember. whoever got it at the time good a really good one. shortly
> after I traded it I actually asked the dealer if I could buy it back,
> but they had already sent it off to the trade. I'll probably have a good
> ZS to sell in twelve months or so tho! :) (just kidding)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I had a TF for a while, and while mechanically sound it was a bit rough around the edges..
That one of yours would have been a keeper!.
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> Have a nice day!..

On Monday, 27 November 2023 at 22:24:35 UTC+11, Daryl wrote:
> On 27/11/2023 2:43 pm, Noddy wrote:
> > On 27/11/2023 1:04 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> >> Xeno wrote:
> >
> >>> The most important point - non friction modified. Engines won't bed
> >>> in properly with a friction modified oil. The reason - self-explanatory.
> >>>
> >>
> >> so why don't cars have it now? if they're shipped with 'normal' oil it
> >> will have friction modifiers, detergent, etc.,
> >
> > Because it's unnecessary today Felix.
> >
> > running in oils still exist today, and you can buy them from your local
> > auto parts store if you really want some. But these days it exists
> > mainly to pander to clientele with older engines that run flat tappet
> > camshafts or cast iron rings. In modern engines there is no need for it,
> > which is why every new car on the market today ships from the factory
> > with the correct oil it's supposed to use in regular service.
> >
> >
> Many new cars have a recommended first oil change at 15,000km, that
> would be a very very bad idea if the factory filled the engine with
> running in oil.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
I think it`s a very bad idea, full stop!.
Oil is cheap insurance!.
>
>
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On 28/11/2023 12:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>> On 27/11/2023 11:29 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> Suffice to say there is no way *any* new car today is going to be
>>>> shipped to a dealer with a sump full of "running in" oil and
>>>> expected to last 10k km's or more before it sees it's first change
>>>> to "regular" engine oil :)
>>>
>>> I wont echo any more of Xeno's posts. he just keeps going on and on
>>> and on..
>>
>> Fine with me, as nothing he says makes sense to anyone but him.
>>
>>
>> It's his standard stock in trade. To be honest I'm not sure how you
>> haven't managed to see through it before now.
>>
>> <shrug>
>>
>>
>
> even Clocky disagreed with him.
>
The link I provided puts the lie to the claim that Darren makes.

The fact that the break-in oil is just standard API rated oil with an
additive pack is likely the reason the 1,000 km oil change has
disappeared. The factory additive pack obviously can hang in there for
at least 10,000 km.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 28/11/2023 12:52 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 27/11/2023 11:35 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 27/11/2023 2:21 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, 27 November 2023 at 13:31:33 UTC+11, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 27/11/2023 12:24 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> They are not programmed to do anything *other* than learn from
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> way you drive so they can update themselves to suit your
>>>>>>>>>> particular
>>>>>>>>>> driving habits.
>>>>>>>>> I knew the Magna did that but I didn't know they all did
>>>>>>>> I'm not aware of any today that don't, and that's been the case for
>>>>>>>> some time. Your ZS will be no different.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That must have been a very long time ago, as car manufacturers
>>>>>>>>>> haven't used running in oil for many years.
>>>>>>>>> yeah, I've been around for a while..  :)
>>>>>>>> Apparently :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I still miss the Magna. :(  wish I had have kept it. for the
>>>>>>> money I got
>>>>>>> for it ($2,250) I might as well have. just for fun I put it into car
>>>>>>> sales. valued at $3,300 - $4,600
>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>   As I said to you at the time I would have snapped it up, ah well
>>>>>> win some lose some. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember. whoever got it at the time good a really good one.
>>>>> shortly after I traded it I actually asked the dealer if I could
>>>>> buy it back, but they had already sent it off to the trade. I'll
>>>>> probably have a good ZS to sell in twelve months or so tho!  :)
>>>>> (just kidding)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you know the rego of your old car punch it into your states rego
>>>> check to see if it's still registered with those plates.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> registration cancelled  :(
>>>
>> Probably went to the wreckers.
>
> I don't know why, considering the excellent condition it was in, unless
> whoever bought it trashed it, or it was written off as a result of an
> accident
>
Could be any of the above. From the dealer it probably went to the
auctions. If it didn't sell there, the wreckers is next. Written off in
an accident is a distinct possibility, especially since it would have
been a cheap car and purchased by a young driver.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 28/11/2023 7:35 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 28/11/2023 12:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Noddy wrote:
>>> On 27/11/2023 11:29 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Suffice to say there is no way *any* new car today is going to be
>>>>> shipped to a dealer with a sump full of "running in" oil and
>>>>> expected to last 10k km's or more before it sees it's first change
>>>>> to "regular" engine oil :)
>>>>
>>>> I wont echo any more of Xeno's posts. he just keeps going on and on
>>>> and on..
>>>
>>> Fine with me, as nothing he says makes sense to anyone but him.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's his standard stock in trade. To be honest I'm not sure how you
>>> haven't managed to see through it before now.
>>>
>>> <shrug>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> even Clocky disagreed with him.
>
> That's because he was talking utter nonsense and making a complete fool
> of himself, and as much as he usually likes to support him Clocky
> obviously wanted to distance himself from the rubbish he was putting up.
>
Prove me wrong Darren, refute the words in this link

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/2012/10/18/tech-101-zinc-in-oil-and-its-effects-on-older-engines

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> On Monday, 27 November 2023 at 17:21:45 UTC+11, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, 27 November 2023 at 13:31:33 UTC+11, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 27/11/2023 12:24 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>> They are not programmed to do anything *other* than learn from the
>>>>>>> way you drive so they can update themselves to suit your particular
>>>>>>> driving habits.
>>>>>> I knew the Magna did that but I didn't know they all did
>>>>> I'm not aware of any today that don't, and that's been the case for
>>>>> some time. Your ZS will be no different.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> That must have been a very long time ago, as car manufacturers
>>>>>>> haven't used running in oil for many years.
>>>>>> yeah, I've been around for a while.. :)
>>>>> Apparently :)
>>>>>
>>>> I still miss the Magna. :( wish I had have kept it. for the money I got
>>>> for it ($2,250) I might as well have. just for fun I put it into car
>>>> sales. valued at $3,300 - $4,600
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> As I said to you at the time I would have snapped it up, ah well win some lose some. ;)
>> I remember. whoever got it at the time good a really good one. shortly
>> after I traded it I actually asked the dealer if I could buy it back,
>> but they had already sent it off to the trade. I'll probably have a good
>> ZS to sell in twelve months or so tho! :) (just kidding)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I had a TF for a while, and while mechanically sound it was a bit rough around the edges..
> That one of yours would have been a keeper!.
>

here's a reminder :)

https://auslink.info/magna/

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Xeno wrote:
> On 28/11/2023 12:52 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 27/11/2023 11:35 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 27/11/2023 2:21 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, 27 November 2023 at 13:31:33 UTC+11, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 27/11/2023 12:24 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> They are not programmed to do anything *other* than learn
>>>>>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>>>>>> way you drive so they can update themselves to suit your
>>>>>>>>>>> particular
>>>>>>>>>>> driving habits.
>>>>>>>>>> I knew the Magna did that but I didn't know they all did
>>>>>>>>> I'm not aware of any today that don't, and that's been the
>>>>>>>>> case for
>>>>>>>>> some time. Your ZS will be no different.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That must have been a very long time ago, as car manufacturers
>>>>>>>>>>> haven't used running in oil for many years.
>>>>>>>>>> yeah, I've been around for a while..  :)
>>>>>>>>> Apparently :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I still miss the Magna. :(  wish I had have kept it. for the
>>>>>>>> money I got
>>>>>>>> for it ($2,250) I might as well have. just for fun I put it
>>>>>>>> into car
>>>>>>>> sales. valued at $3,300 - $4,600
>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>>   As I said to you at the time I would have snapped it up, ah
>>>>>>> well win some lose some. ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember. whoever got it at the time good a really good one.
>>>>>> shortly after I traded it I actually asked the dealer if I could
>>>>>> buy it back, but they had already sent it off to the trade. I'll
>>>>>> probably have a good ZS to sell in twelve months or so tho!  :)
>>>>>> (just kidding)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you know the rego of your old car punch it into your states
>>>>> rego check to see if it's still registered with those plates.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> registration cancelled  :(
>>>>
>>> Probably went to the wreckers.
>>
>> I don't know why, considering the excellent condition it was in,
>> unless whoever bought it trashed it, or it was written off as a
>> result of an accident
>>
> Could be any of the above. From the dealer it probably went to the
> auctions. If it didn't sell there, the wreckers is next. Written off
> in an accident is a distinct possibility, especially since it would
> have been a cheap car and purchased by a young driver.
>
>
>

it was still registered last year

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Xeno wrote:
> On 28/11/2023 7:35 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 28/11/2023 12:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 27/11/2023 11:29 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Suffice to say there is no way *any* new car today is going to be
>>>>>> shipped to a dealer with a sump full of "running in" oil and
>>>>>> expected to last 10k km's or more before it sees it's first
>>>>>> change to "regular" engine oil :)
>>>>>
>>>>> I wont echo any more of Xeno's posts. he just keeps going on and
>>>>> on and on..
>>>>
>>>> Fine with me, as nothing he says makes sense to anyone but him.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's his standard stock in trade. To be honest I'm not sure how you
>>>> haven't managed to see through it before now.
>>>>
>>>> <shrug>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> even Clocky disagreed with him.
>>
>> That's because he was talking utter nonsense and making a complete
>> fool of himself, and as much as he usually likes to support him
>> Clocky obviously wanted to distance himself from the rubbish he was
>> putting up.
>>
> Prove me wrong Darren, refute the words in this link
>
> https://www.hemmings.com/stories/2012/10/18/tech-101-zinc-in-oil-and-its-effects-on-older-engines
>
>

I know I said I wouldn't, but I think this needs to be addressed, so .. bump

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On 26/11/2023 12:27 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 26/11/2023 2:48 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Noddy wrote:
>
>>>> so assuming my car has this 'run in' programming how/when does it
>>>> get changed?
>>>
>>> It doesn't, as there is no such thing.
>>
>> I thought it must be a nonsense, in my case at least, for the simple
>> reason there's no requirement to return to the dealer for any
>> reprogramming at some specified mileage. however, I thought it's
>> feasible it may apply to other cars.
>
> It doesn't. It's utter bullshit and it's completely wrong on so many
> levels.
>
> In the first instance, dealerships don't reprogram ECU's. In fact they
> never have anything to do with them other than changing them if they're
> faulty.
>

That's 100% false. I can't believe you even stated something so stupid.
For instance at Holden even in the days before flash programming of the
firmware there were revised MEMCAL's that plugged into the ECU that
contained the firmware. This was in the 80's. By the mid to late 90's
flash programming for all kinds of driveability issues was normal on may
vehicles.

Example of early VN-VS Commodore MEMCAL
https://www.speedspares.net/assets/full/16219213.jpg?20200624044218

> In the second instance, if there *was* a pre-programmed "running in"
> mode in the ECU then there would be no need to ever mention a
> recommended running in driving procedure in the owner's manual as it
> would be taken care of automatically.
>
> In the third, I'll bet my left nut and both of yours that there is no
> mention of *any* such built in programming in your owners manual or a
> requirement to visit the dealership to have it "changed over to normal"
> after the recommended 1500km "run in" period has passed, which itself
> would be fraught with danger in the event that someone bought a new ZS
> and never went anywhere near a dealership again for servicing as they're
> legally entitled to do. In such a case *if* some mythical "run in" mode
> existed it would be stuck in that mode for the life of the car which
> would not only be likely to piss off any owner who was unhappy with the
> appalling fuel consumption but would no doubt lead to the car being
> outside of the legal emissions requirements thanks it it running
> permanently rich.
>

I agree on the last two points.

> In short, the idea is completely nonsensical. Like anything else he's
> mentioned on this subject.
>
>>> Pistons do not "grab in their bores" because of tight clearances, and
>>> to suggest that it's a possibility shows a remarkable lack if
>>> knowledge on the subject :) Bore sizes are finished to suit the
>>> piston clearance, and pistons use the heat generated during normal
>>> operating to expand into the required size & shape they need to
>>> achieve to make for a correct fit and a quiet running experience.
>>
>> pistons can scrape the bores due to overheating as it happened in one
>> of my cars once
>
> Absolutely, and that's usually one of the two things that happens when
> an engine is severely overheated. Cylinder head/gasket failure is the
> other one. But that's an *abnormal* condition caused by a fault. *Not*
> by the normal run in process.
>
>>> *Now* you know why I don't ever engage this moron in conversation,
>>> and why the idea of him diagnosing engine failures is a hilarious
>>> nonsense.
>>
>> but when you (or others) don't lay ppl like me are left with no
>> alternative explanations for what is said.
>
> That's a fair point Felix, but the thing is there is nothing stopping
> you from doing your own research to see who's telling the truth. And if
> you did you might not like what you discover, as it will become obvious
> to you that Clasener is a man who likes to make up reams of nonsensical
> shit to make himself feel important.
>

Says the "mechanic" who plopped out this pig ignorant horseshit "In the
first instance, dealerships don't reprogram ECU's. In fact they
never have anything to do with them other than changing them if they're
faulty."

That's some of the dumbest shit I've ever read in this group and that's
saying something given your previous efforts... and you claim to be a
qualified mechanic. That's just laughable.

No wonder you're still part swapping in hope when you have the tools at
your disposal to accurately diagnose a simple fault in minutes. You're
not even qualified to push a broom you pretentious wanker.

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In thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Sept 23 2021 11:15:59am
Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
proven liar."

On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."

On 27/11/2023 1:35 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:

<snip>

>>>
>> Making a point!    Like when he said "dealerships don't update ECUs".
>>
>> He is spreading patently false information.
>>
>
> ok, so you don't care that he doesn't see them, it's just to inform
> other readers of the ng
>

Just for the record felix, and take this from a mechanic who has
routinely updated firmware in ECU's... when someone tells you that
dealerships don't update firmware in ECU's they have absolutely *no
idea* what they are talking about. Never take your car to someone who
claims that, they clearly do not have any practical experience or
understanding of any vehicle made in at least the last 30 years - and
will never be able to diagnose a fault.

Which is what was revealed here when the fraud claimed long and short
term fuel trims and data are internal ECU functions that can't accessed
or used for diagnosis purposes and for some reason laughably thought
swapping parts around was the better option.

He clearly has zero understanding of any of this, that is obvious to a
real experienced and qualified mechanic like me.

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In thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Sept 23 2021 11:15:59am
Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
proven liar."

On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."

On 27/11/2023 4:12 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> alvey wrote:
>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> why do you write long detailed replies to ppl who won't see them? I
>>> know you say he doesn't 'really' have you blocked, but that is unproven.
>>
>> It's also unproven that he doesn't.
>
> yep
>
>>
>> Then there's the small matter that he *has* responded directly to
>> people who he brayed *were* in his mighty killfile.
>
> not sure if he has or just replied to echoed posts
>
>>
>> Plusss there's the fact that he *does* reply to 'blocked' posts
>> through an intermediary. If he did, as he routinely blurts, "doesn't
>> care" what these nasty killfiled ppl say, why then does he read them
>> at all? Because, as the popular opinion goes, he's a narcisistic
>> sociopath. ie. Someone who *must* know what ppl are saying in case
>> it's about him *or* an adversary gives him something to try and
>> denigrate them with.
>
> well he certainly knows what he's talking about in this thread,

Some of it, but other things he says are 100% inaccurate and profoundly
stupid. I think he's mixing baseless opinion and assumption in with
something he's found online and is using as a reference.

He has form you know...

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In thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Sept 23 2021 11:15:59am
Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
proven liar."

On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."

On 27/11/2023 9:50 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>> On 27/11/2023 11:29 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> Suffice to say there is no way *any* new car today is going to be
>>>> shipped to a dealer with a sump full of "running in" oil and
>>>> expected to last 10k km's or more before it sees it's first change
>>>> to "regular" engine oil :)
>>>
>>> I wont echo any more of Xeno's posts. he just keeps going on and on
>>> and on..
>>
>> Fine with me, as nothing he says makes sense to anyone but him.
>>
>>
>> It's his standard stock in trade. To be honest I'm not sure how you
>> haven't managed to see through it before now.
>>
>> <shrug>
>>
>>
>
> even Clocky disagreed with him.
>

I've disagreed with him many times, it's not unusual. It doesn't end up
with abuse, personal insults, false attributions and flat out lies like
Noddy resorts to when he's proven wrong though.

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In thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Sept 23 2021 11:15:59am
Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
proven liar."

On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."

Clocky wrote:
> On 26/11/2023 12:27 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 26/11/2023 2:48 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>>> so assuming my car has this 'run in' programming how/when does it
>>>>> get changed?
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't, as there is no such thing.
>>>
>>> I thought it must be a nonsense, in my case at least, for the simple
>>> reason there's no requirement to return to the dealer for any
>>> reprogramming at some specified mileage. however, I thought it's
>>> feasible it may apply to other cars.
>>
>> It doesn't. It's utter bullshit and it's completely wrong on so many
>> levels.
>>
>> In the first instance, dealerships don't reprogram ECU's. In fact
>> they never have anything to do with them other than changing them if
>> they're faulty.
>>
>
> That's 100% false. I can't believe you even stated something so stupid.
> For instance at Holden even in the days before flash programming of
> the firmware there were revised MEMCAL's that plugged into the ECU
> that contained the firmware. This was in the 80's. By the mid to late
> 90's flash programming for all kinds of driveability issues was normal
> on may vehicles.
>
> Example of early VN-VS Commodore MEMCAL
> https://www.speedspares.net/assets/full/16219213.jpg?20200624044218
>
>
>
>> In the second instance, if there *was* a pre-programmed "running in"
>> mode in the ECU then there would be no need to ever mention a
>> recommended running in driving procedure in the owner's manual as it
>> would be taken care of automatically.
>>
>> In the third, I'll bet my left nut and both of yours that there is no
>> mention of *any* such built in programming in your owners manual or a
>> requirement to visit the dealership to have it "changed over to
>> normal" after the recommended 1500km "run in" period has passed,
>> which itself would be fraught with danger in the event that someone
>> bought a new ZS and never went anywhere near a dealership again for
>> servicing as they're legally entitled to do. In such a case *if* some
>> mythical "run in" mode existed it would be stuck in that mode for the
>> life of the car which would not only be likely to piss off any owner
>> who was unhappy with the appalling fuel consumption but would no
>> doubt lead to the car being outside of the legal emissions
>> requirements thanks it it running permanently rich.
>>
>
> I agree on the last two points.
>
>> In short, the idea is completely nonsensical. Like anything else he's
>> mentioned on this subject.
>>
>>>> Pistons do not "grab in their bores" because of tight clearances,
>>>> and to suggest that it's a possibility shows a remarkable lack if
>>>> knowledge on the subject :) Bore sizes are finished to suit the
>>>> piston clearance, and pistons use the heat generated during normal
>>>> operating to expand into the required size & shape they need to
>>>> achieve to make for a correct fit and a quiet running experience.
>>>
>>> pistons can scrape the bores due to overheating as it happened in
>>> one of my cars once
>>
>> Absolutely, and that's usually one of the two things that happens
>> when an engine is severely overheated. Cylinder head/gasket failure
>> is the other one. But that's an *abnormal* condition caused by a
>> fault. *Not* by the normal run in process.
>>
>>>> *Now* you know why I don't ever engage this moron in conversation,
>>>> and why the idea of him diagnosing engine failures is a hilarious
>>>> nonsense.
>>>
>>> but when you (or others) don't lay ppl like me are left with no
>>> alternative explanations for what is said.
>>
>> That's a fair point Felix, but the thing is there is nothing stopping
>> you from doing your own research to see who's telling the truth. And
>> if you did you might not like what you discover, as it will become
>> obvious to you that Clasener is a man who likes to make up reams of
>> nonsensical shit to make himself feel important.
>>
>
> Says the "mechanic" who plopped out this pig ignorant horseshit "In
> the first instance, dealerships don't reprogram ECU's. In fact they
> never have anything to do with them other than changing them if they're
>  faulty."
>
> That's some of the dumbest shit I've ever read in this group and
> that's saying something given your previous efforts... and you claim
> to be a qualified mechanic. That's just laughable.
>
> No wonder you're still part swapping in hope when you have the tools
> at your disposal to accurately diagnose a simple fault in minutes.
> You're not even qualified to push a broom you pretentious wanker.
>

bump

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Have a nice day!..

On 28/11/2023 12:21 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Clocky wrote:

>> No wonder you're still part swapping in hope when you have the tools
>> at your disposal to accurately diagnose a simple fault in minutes.
>> You're not even qualified to push a broom you pretentious wanker.
>>
>
> bump

Thanks Felix.

It's a free country and people are entitled to whatever opinions they
like, but I take those of a "mechanic" who can't tell the difference
between glass and plastic with the iceberg sized grain of salt I think
they deserve.

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--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 28/11/2023 11:51 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:

>>
>
> here's a reminder :)
>
> https://auslink.info/magna/
>
Don't know why you ever got rid of it. Would have been well worth
putting a bit of money into it. Didn't have a lot of miles, IIRC.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 28/11/2023 11:54 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 28/11/2023 12:52 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 27/11/2023 11:35 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/11/2023 2:21 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>> jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Monday, 27 November 2023 at 13:31:33 UTC+11, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 27/11/2023 12:24 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> They are not programmed to do anything *other* than learn
>>>>>>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>>>>>>> way you drive so they can update themselves to suit your
>>>>>>>>>>>> particular
>>>>>>>>>>>> driving habits.
>>>>>>>>>>> I knew the Magna did that but I didn't know they all did
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not aware of any today that don't, and that's been the
>>>>>>>>>> case for
>>>>>>>>>> some time. Your ZS will be no different.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That must have been a very long time ago, as car manufacturers
>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't used running in oil for many years.
>>>>>>>>>>> yeah, I've been around for a while..  :)
>>>>>>>>>> Apparently :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I still miss the Magna. :(  wish I had have kept it. for the
>>>>>>>>> money I got
>>>>>>>>> for it ($2,250) I might as well have. just for fun I put it
>>>>>>>>> into car
>>>>>>>>> sales. valued at $3,300 - $4,600
>>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>>>   As I said to you at the time I would have snapped it up, ah
>>>>>>>> well win some lose some. ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I remember. whoever got it at the time good a really good one.
>>>>>>> shortly after I traded it I actually asked the dealer if I could
>>>>>>> buy it back, but they had already sent it off to the trade. I'll
>>>>>>> probably have a good ZS to sell in twelve months or so tho!  :)
>>>>>>> (just kidding)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you know the rego of your old car punch it into your states
>>>>>> rego check to see if it's still registered with those plates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> registration cancelled  :(
>>>>>
>>>> Probably went to the wreckers.
>>>
>>> I don't know why, considering the excellent condition it was in,
>>> unless whoever bought it trashed it, or it was written off as a
>>> result of an accident
>>>
>> Could be any of the above. From the dealer it probably went to the
>> auctions. If it didn't sell there, the wreckers is next. Written off
>> in an accident is a distinct possibility, especially since it would
>> have been a cheap car and purchased by a young driver.
>>
>>
>>
>
> it was still registered last year
>
Most likely accident then. Or they blew it up in a big way and it wasn't
worth repairing.
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Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)