Xeno wrote:

snip silliness

This is bizarre. Arguing about whether it's fraud or not re the
Fraudsters' quals/apprenticeships is like arguing that Hitler was OK
because he liked dogs. Look at the big picture people.

alvey

On 5/12/2023 8:38 am, alvey wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>
> snip silliness
>
> This is bizarre. Arguing about whether it's fraud or not re the
> Fraudsters' quals/apprenticeships is like arguing that Hitler was OK
> because he liked dogs. Look at the big picture people.
>
>
>
> alvey
>
There is no argument, Darren's claims re apprenticeships and quals *is*
fraud, pure and simple. Keith just tossed in the red herring that is
licencing in order to muddy the waters. Clocky already noted that Vic is
the only state to not have licenced mechanics. Means nothing in Darren's
situation, fraud is fraud irrespective of licencing requirements.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 5/12/2023 12:56 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 4/12/2023 9:49 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 4/12/2023 4:15 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/12/2023 10:56 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/12/2023 7:15 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/12/2023 7:14 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/12/2023 4:54 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/12/2023 2:15 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what exactly would that legitimate distinction be,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Felix? You having some misguided belief that I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obligated to lay myself bare for all to see because I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had the gall to talk cars in a car group, while other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people who do the same thing have no such obligation at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you've been asked to substantiate your OWN claims. that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, that bit is fairly easy for anyone to work out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's remarkably *less* clear is why you think I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some obligation to do so but not anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's only "less clear" to you Fraudster.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You've been requested to substantiate some of your claims
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) You've requested the same of others many times
>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) You are repulsive
>>>>>>>>>>>>> c) No one else has made suspect claims anywhere near the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> volume and magnitude of your efforts
>>>>>>>>>>>>> d) You have an undeniable history of lying
>>>>>>>>>>>>> e) You have a 100% record of never admitting being wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when proven to be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> f) Because that's how Western society and Law work. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>> make the claim, you provide the proof. Why you used to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow that all the time. Right up to when the spotlight
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was on you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hth [He said: Drenched in irony]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's really quite simple, he has claimed specific training
>>>>>>>>>>>> and qualifications, and all he's being asked for is to show
>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence of that, since it relates directly to the nature of
>>>>>>>>>>>> this forum, and the veracity of what he posts here, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> especially since doubts have been raised by those who have
>>>>>>>>>>>> the qualifications he claims he has, that he actually has
>>>>>>>>>>>> them. so it's it's a bit like an example of the adage 'takes
>>>>>>>>>>>> one to know one'. and it's no different, for example, of
>>>>>>>>>>>> someone claiming to be a black belt in an online discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>> martial arts forum being asked to show that they really do
>>>>>>>>>>>> hold a black belt, or any other similar example one could
>>>>>>>>>>>> mention. and then there's the fact that someone trading
>>>>>>>>>>>> while claiming specific training and qualifications for the
>>>>>>>>>>>> work they're doing is behaving fraudulently if they don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> have the training and qualifications they claim to have. but
>>>>>>>>>>>> this has been explained here sooo many times that for him to
>>>>>>>>>>>> say it's unclear why he has any obligation to comply with
>>>>>>>>>>>> what he's been asked for is a nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe it's necessary to concentrate on this,
>>>>>>>>>>> "training & qualifications" aspect for a definitive example
>>>>>>>>>>> of 'fraud'. Imo, *any* claim made by someone which is
>>>>>>>>>>> subsequently discovered to be false is, in the accepted
>>>>>>>>>>> public vernacular, 'fraud'.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> not really. If I say I'm a solicitor or a doctor of medicine,
>>>>>>>>>> and I'm not, it's just a lie. but if I practice law or
>>>>>>>>>> medicine, that's when it becomes fraud.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you give specific advice under the pretense of being a
>>>>>>>>> doctor is also a crime.
>>>>>>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/woman-convicted-after-pretending-to-be-a-doctor-on-tiktok-instagram-20231011-p5ebhv.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And that is relevant to what? AFAIK nobody here is claiming to
>>>>>>>> be a doctor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doesn't matter, fraud is fraud in the eyes of the law.
>>>>>>> Even in backward Victoria where you can work on cars without
>>>>>>> qualifications you can't call yourself a qualified mechanic when
>>>>>>> you are not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And people have every right to question claims of qualifications
>>>>>>> when there is no evidence to substantiate the claim, no evidence
>>>>>>> provided on request and there is evidence that suggests the claim
>>>>>>> is false.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since there is no mechanics licence in Victoria, he cannot
>>>>>> fraudulently claim to have one.
>>>>>
>>>>> if that's true then what the hell has all the argument been about
>>>>> all these years?
>>>>
>>>> You tell me, you're part of it.
>>>
>>> mechanics here have claimed noddy is not a qualified mechanic as he
>>> claims to be, so rather a shoddy mechanic. Xeno has laid out the
>>> reasons why he's not qualified, and claims he doesn't have a
>>> registration number. this has been discussed here for years, so I'm
>>> surprised you don't know the full story. but if it's true there's no
>>> mechanics licence in Victoria, then wtf has it all been about?
>>> someone needs to explain.
>>
>> Nothing to do with licencing per se, everything to do with Darren
>> claiming he is something that he isn't. IOW, public misrepresentation
>> of trade qualifications, more widely known as *Fraud*. In fact, what
>> initially raised my suspicions that Darren might never have done an
>> apprenticeship was when he dissed trade qualifications as unnecessary.
>> That gave me the hint that he had never done an automotive
>> apprenticeship. His lack of knowledge on so many detail points of the
>> trade served only to convince me further. Then when he *elaborated* on
>> how he got his motor mechanic trade qualifications, his bullshit tale
>> fell to pieces. It was only downhill from there. Daryl posted a link
>> that made me realize it was impossible to do two apprenticeships back
>> to back in Victoria prior to 1992, much less three. The same link also
>> showed that AME apprenticeships required year 10 at high school, year
>> 9 wouldn't cut it and required 4 years attendance at TAFE, not 3 as
>> Darren claimed. Darren also let slip that he left school before the
>> end of year 9. Ultimately, it turned out *all* his trade claims were
>> fraudulent!
>>
>> Further, Darren has claimed to have done AC on cars. That *is* a
>> licenced subset of the motor trade, the Automotive Air Conditioning
>> Refrigerant Handling Licence, Australia wide, and a *Federal
>> requirement*. You need to be a *qualified trademan* in a relevant
>> field in order to get said licence. Darren's knackered. What's more,
>> you don't just get handed the licence because you have trade papers,
>> you have to have training, be assessed as competent, and have the
>> requisite gear, ie. AC gas recovery systems. I had the AC licence but
>> I let it expire when I retired, figured I wasn't going to be doing too
>> many AC systems in my retirement. Still have the gauge set but don't
>> possess a recovery outfit.
>>
>> Another automotive licencing requirement is auto LPG. I was going to
>> get one of those but the writing was on the wall for LPG in cars way
>> back in 2000 so I never bothered. Don't see much LPG out there now, do
>> you?
>>
>> A field that has just come into the licencing regime is working on
>> HEVs, PHEVs & BEVs. Want to do anything on the high voltage areas in
>> the above, need to have the training and certification under your
>> belt. Don't think I'll bother doing the certification for those, can't
>> see myself needing it.
>>
>>
>>
>
> so it's all about him not having done an apprenticeship and qualified as
> a motor mechanic, nothing to do with licensing. so were back to square
> one. if he's trading (or was) under the pretense of being a qualified
> mechanic he's committing fraud (or was).
>
Working as a mechanic is not the issue, *claiming* he is a qualified
mechanic, that is the issue and it always has been from day on of this
discussion. Claiming you are something you are not in order to gain
financial advantage by deception *is* fraud, pure and simple.

On 5/12/2023 8:31 am, Archer wrote:
> Daryl wrote:
>> On 4/12/2023 4:18 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 4/12/2023 12:34 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/12/2023 11:03 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/12/2023 1:33 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Don't get too cocky, things are known about you.Your address
>>>>>>>>>>> is known"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> is a veiled threat that some action will be taken
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is it? I don't see it as such.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you don't see a lot of things normal ppl do..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let me give you a red hot tip for free here Felix: You ain't
>>>>>>>> "normal" :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what's not normal is someone who blatantly lies about seeing me
>>>>>>> drive past their house, then later thanks me for posting a photo
>>>>>>> because it helps to know me better
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is not normal is people making wildly exaggerated claims
>>>>>> about their capabilities. Like 3 apprenticeships for instance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> normal behavior for dishonest ppl
>>>>>
>>>> You would be an expert on that subject.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> so you're saying I'm dishonest. please tell me why and give examples.
>>> btw and fyi I'm not dishonest, but maybe you are, since you're mates
>>> with the most dishonest person here.
>>>
>>
>>
>> For one you keep changing your nym to avoid killfiles,
>
> lol!
> Yeah, that certainly overshadows all the whopping great lies that YLM
> has coughed up.
>
>> maybe that isn't "dishonest" but it certainly deceptive so fuck off
>> back where you belong.
>
> lol #2
>
> So if "deceptive" equals "fuck off" in your world Deryl, what does
> "dishonest" equate to? Atm it looks like dinner at Fraudsters place.
>
>
> alvey
> Opining that being a raging hypocrite must be mandatory to join the
> Enablers.
>
For sure the *Enablers* are full on hypocrites!

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Xeno wrote:
> On 5/12/2023 8:38 am, alvey wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>
>> snip silliness
>>
>> This is bizarre. Arguing about whether it's fraud or not re the
>> Fraudsters' quals/apprenticeships is like arguing that Hitler was OK
>> because he liked dogs. Look at the big picture people.
>>
>>
>>
>> alvey
>>
> There is no argument, Darren's claims re apprenticeships and quals
> *is* fraud, pure and simple. Keith just tossed in the red herring that
> is licencing in order to muddy the waters. Clocky already noted that
> Vic is the only state to not have licenced mechanics. Means nothing in
> Darren's situation, fraud is fraud irrespective of licencing
> requirements.
>
>

yes, keefy confused me. I wasn't thinking straight.

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Xeno wrote:
> On 5/12/2023 12:56 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 4/12/2023 9:49 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 4/12/2023 4:15 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/12/2023 10:56 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/12/2023 7:15 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/12/2023 7:14 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/12/2023 4:54 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/12/2023 2:15 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what exactly would that legitimate distinction be,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Felix? You having some misguided belief that I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obligated to lay myself bare for all to see because I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had the gall to talk cars in a car group, while other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people who do the same thing have no such obligation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at all?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you've been asked to substantiate your OWN claims. that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, that bit is fairly easy for anyone to work out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's remarkably *less* clear is why you think I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some obligation to do so but not anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's only "less clear" to you Fraudster.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You've been requested to substantiate some of your claims
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) You've requested the same of others many times
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) You are repulsive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> c) No one else has made suspect claims anywhere near the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volume and magnitude of your efforts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d) You have an undeniable history of lying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e) You have a 100% record of never admitting being wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when proven to be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> f) Because that's how Western society and Law work. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make the claim, you provide the proof. Why you used to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow that all the time. Right up to when the spotlight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was on you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hth [He said: Drenched in irony]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's really quite simple, he has claimed specific training
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and qualifications, and all he's being asked for is to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> show evidence of that, since it relates directly to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nature of this forum, and the veracity of what he posts
>>>>>>>>>>>>> here, and especially since doubts have been raised by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> those who have the qualifications he claims he has, that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he actually has them. so it's it's a bit like an example
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the adage 'takes one to know one'. and it's no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> different, for example, of someone claiming to be a black
>>>>>>>>>>>>> belt in an online discussion martial arts forum being
>>>>>>>>>>>>> asked to show that they really do hold a black belt, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other similar example one could mention. and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there's the fact that someone trading while claiming
>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific training and qualifications for the work they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing is behaving fraudulently if they don't have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> training and qualifications they claim to have. but this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been explained here sooo many times that for him to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> say it's unclear why he has any obligation to comply with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what he's been asked for is a nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe it's necessary to concentrate on this,
>>>>>>>>>>>> "training & qualifications" aspect for a definitive example
>>>>>>>>>>>> of 'fraud'. Imo, *any* claim made by someone which is
>>>>>>>>>>>> subsequently discovered to be false is, in the accepted
>>>>>>>>>>>> public vernacular, 'fraud'.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> not really. If I say I'm a solicitor or a doctor of
>>>>>>>>>>> medicine, and I'm not, it's just a lie. but if I practice
>>>>>>>>>>> law or medicine, that's when it becomes fraud.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you give specific advice under the pretense of being a
>>>>>>>>>> doctor is also a crime.
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/woman-convicted-after-pretending-to-be-a-doctor-on-tiktok-instagram-20231011-p5ebhv.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And that is relevant to what? AFAIK nobody here is claiming to
>>>>>>>>> be a doctor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doesn't matter, fraud is fraud in the eyes of the law.
>>>>>>>> Even in backward Victoria where you can work on cars without
>>>>>>>> qualifications you can't call yourself a qualified mechanic
>>>>>>>> when you are not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And people have every right to question claims of
>>>>>>>> qualifications when there is no evidence to substantiate the
>>>>>>>> claim, no evidence provided on request and there is evidence
>>>>>>>> that suggests the claim is false.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since there is no mechanics licence in Victoria, he cannot
>>>>>>> fraudulently claim to have one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if that's true then what the hell has all the argument been about
>>>>>> all these years?
>>>>>
>>>>> You tell me, you're part of it.
>>>>
>>>> mechanics here have claimed noddy is not a qualified mechanic as he
>>>> claims to be, so rather a shoddy mechanic. Xeno has laid out the
>>>> reasons why he's not qualified, and claims he doesn't have a
>>>> registration number. this has been discussed here for years, so I'm
>>>> surprised you don't know the full story. but if it's true there's
>>>> no mechanics licence in Victoria, then wtf has it all been about?
>>>> someone needs to explain.
>>>
>>> Nothing to do with licencing per se, everything to do with Darren
>>> claiming he is something that he isn't. IOW, public
>>> misrepresentation of trade qualifications, more widely known as
>>> *Fraud*. In fact, what initially raised my suspicions that Darren
>>> might never have done an apprenticeship was when he dissed trade
>>> qualifications as unnecessary. That gave me the hint that he had
>>> never done an automotive apprenticeship. His lack of knowledge on so
>>> many detail points of the trade served only to convince me further.
>>> Then when he *elaborated* on how he got his motor mechanic trade
>>> qualifications, his bullshit tale fell to pieces. It was only
>>> downhill from there. Daryl posted a link that made me realize it was
>>> impossible to do two apprenticeships back to back in Victoria prior
>>> to 1992, much less three. The same link also showed that AME
>>> apprenticeships required year 10 at high school, year 9 wouldn't cut
>>> it and required 4 years attendance at TAFE, not 3 as Darren claimed.
>>> Darren also let slip that he left school before the end of year 9.
>>> Ultimately, it turned out *all* his trade claims were fraudulent!
>>>
>>> Further, Darren has claimed to have done AC on cars. That *is* a
>>> licenced subset of the motor trade, the Automotive Air Conditioning
>>> Refrigerant Handling Licence, Australia wide, and a *Federal
>>> requirement*. You need to be a *qualified trademan* in a relevant
>>> field in order to get said licence. Darren's knackered. What's more,
>>> you don't just get handed the licence because you have trade papers,
>>> you have to have training, be assessed as competent, and have the
>>> requisite gear, ie. AC gas recovery systems. I had the AC licence
>>> but I let it expire when I retired, figured I wasn't going to be
>>> doing too many AC systems in my retirement. Still have the gauge set
>>> but don't possess a recovery outfit.
>>>
>>> Another automotive licencing requirement is auto LPG. I was going to
>>> get one of those but the writing was on the wall for LPG in cars way
>>> back in 2000 so I never bothered. Don't see much LPG out there now,
>>> do you?
>>>
>>> A field that has just come into the licencing regime is working on
>>> HEVs, PHEVs & BEVs. Want to do anything on the high voltage areas in
>>> the above, need to have the training and certification under your
>>> belt. Don't think I'll bother doing the certification for those,
>>> can't see myself needing it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> so it's all about him not having done an apprenticeship and qualified
>> as a motor mechanic, nothing to do with licensing. so were back to
>> square one. if he's trading (or was) under the pretense of being a
>> qualified mechanic he's committing fraud (or was).
>>
> Working as a mechanic is not the issue, *claiming* he is a qualified
> mechanic, that is the issue and it always has been from day one of
> this discussion. Claiming you are something you are not in order to
> gain financial advantage by deception *is* fraud, pure and simple.
>

Xeno wrote:
> On 5/12/2023 8:31 am, Archer wrote:
>> Daryl wrote:
>>> On 4/12/2023 4:18 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 4/12/2023 12:34 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/12/2023 11:03 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/12/2023 1:33 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Don't get too cocky, things are known about you.Your
>>>>>>>>>>>> address is known"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> is a veiled threat that some action will be taken
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is it? I don't see it as such.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you don't see a lot of things normal ppl do..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let me give you a red hot tip for free here Felix: You ain't
>>>>>>>>> "normal" :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> what's not normal is someone who blatantly lies about seeing me
>>>>>>>> drive past their house, then later thanks me for posting a
>>>>>>>> photo because it helps to know me better
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is not normal is people making wildly exaggerated claims
>>>>>>> about their capabilities. Like 3 apprenticeships for instance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> normal behavior for dishonest ppl
>>>>>>
>>>>> You would be an expert on that subject.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> so you're saying I'm dishonest. please tell me why and give
>>>> examples. btw and fyi I'm not dishonest, but maybe you are, since
>>>> you're mates with the most dishonest person here.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For one you keep changing your nym to avoid killfiles,
>>
>> lol!
>> Yeah, that certainly overshadows all the whopping great lies that YLM
>> has coughed up.
>>
>>> maybe that isn't "dishonest" but it certainly deceptive so fuck off
>>> back where you belong.
>>
>> lol #2
>>
>> So if "deceptive" equals "fuck off" in your world Deryl, what does
>> "dishonest" equate to? Atm it looks like dinner at Fraudsters place.
>>
>>
>> alvey
>> Opining that being a raging hypocrite must be mandatory to join the
>> Enablers.
>>
> For sure the *Enablers* are full on hypocrites!
>

isn't there something else we could discuss besides noddy and his cronies?

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Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 5/12/2023 8:31 am, Archer wrote:
>>> Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 4/12/2023 4:18 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/12/2023 12:34 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2023 11:03 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/12/2023 1:33 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Don't get too cocky, things are known about you.Your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> address is known"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a veiled threat that some action will be taken
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it? I don't see it as such.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you don't see a lot of things normal ppl do..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let me give you a red hot tip for free here Felix: You ain't
>>>>>>>>>> "normal" :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> what's not normal is someone who blatantly lies about seeing
>>>>>>>>> me drive past their house, then later thanks me for posting a
>>>>>>>>> photo because it helps to know me better
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is not normal is people making wildly exaggerated claims
>>>>>>>> about their capabilities. Like 3 apprenticeships for instance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> normal behavior for dishonest ppl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You would be an expert on that subject.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> so you're saying I'm dishonest. please tell me why and give
>>>>> examples. btw and fyi I'm not dishonest, but maybe you are, since
>>>>> you're mates with the most dishonest person here.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For one you keep changing your nym to avoid killfiles,
>>>
>>> lol!
>>> Yeah, that certainly overshadows all the whopping great lies that
>>> YLM has coughed up.
>>>
>>>> maybe that isn't "dishonest" but it certainly deceptive so fuck off
>>>> back where you belong.
>>>
>>> lol #2
>>>
>>> So if "deceptive" equals "fuck off" in your world Deryl, what does
>>> "dishonest" equate to? Atm it looks like dinner at Fraudsters place.
>>>
>>>
>>> alvey
>>> Opining that being a raging hypocrite must be mandatory to join the
>>> Enablers.
>>>
>> For sure the *Enablers* are full on hypocrites!
>>
>
> isn't there something else we could discuss besides noddy and his
> cronies?
>

how about the Great Climate Change Hoax ..
https://auslink.info/video/aj_climate.mp4

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On 5/12/2023 11:34 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 5/12/2023 8:31 am, Archer wrote:
>>>> Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 4/12/2023 4:18 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/12/2023 12:34 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2023 11:03 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/12/2023 1:33 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Don't get too cocky, things are known about you.Your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> address is known"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a veiled threat that some action will be taken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it? I don't see it as such.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> you don't see a lot of things normal ppl do..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Let me give you a red hot tip for free here Felix: You ain't
>>>>>>>>>>> "normal" :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> what's not normal is someone who blatantly lies about seeing
>>>>>>>>>> me drive past their house, then later thanks me for posting a
>>>>>>>>>> photo because it helps to know me better
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What is not normal is people making wildly exaggerated claims
>>>>>>>>> about their capabilities. Like 3 apprenticeships for instance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> normal behavior for dishonest ppl
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You would be an expert on that subject.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so you're saying I'm dishonest. please tell me why and give
>>>>>> examples. btw and fyi I'm not dishonest, but maybe you are, since
>>>>>> you're mates with the most dishonest person here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For one you keep changing your nym to avoid killfiles,
>>>>
>>>> lol!
>>>> Yeah, that certainly overshadows all the whopping great lies that
>>>> YLM has coughed up.
>>>>
>>>>> maybe that isn't "dishonest" but it certainly deceptive so fuck off
>>>>> back where you belong.
>>>>
>>>> lol #2
>>>>
>>>> So if "deceptive" equals "fuck off" in your world Deryl, what does
>>>> "dishonest" equate to? Atm it looks like dinner at Fraudsters place.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> alvey
>>>> Opining that being a raging hypocrite must be mandatory to join the
>>>> Enablers.
>>>>
>>> For sure the *Enablers* are full on hypocrites!
>>>
>>
>> isn't there something else we could discuss besides noddy and his
>> cronies?
>>
>
> how about the Great Climate Change Hoax ..
> https://auslink.info/video/aj_climate.mp4
>
The debate on climate science is settled, the deniers have lost.

If you want an old fossil to speak on the topic of climate change, at
least get one with a clue....

https://www.ted.com/talks/james_hansen_why_i_must_speak_out_about_climate_change?language=en

Note, this talk is dated Feb 2012, climate change has moved on apace
since then.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 4/12/2023 2:31 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 4/12/2023 4:18 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Daryl wrote:
>>> On 4/12/2023 12:34 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 4/12/2023 11:03 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/12/2023 1:33 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Don't get too cocky, things are known about you.Your address
>>>>>>>>>> is known"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is a veiled threat that some action will be taken
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is it? I don't see it as such.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you don't see a lot of things normal ppl do..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me give you a red hot tip for free here Felix: You ain't
>>>>>>> "normal" :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what's not normal is someone who blatantly lies about seeing me
>>>>>> drive past their house, then later thanks me for posting a photo
>>>>>> because it helps to know me better
>>>>>>
>>>>> What is not normal is people making wildly exaggerated claims about
>>>>> their capabilities. Like 3 apprenticeships for instance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> normal behavior for dishonest ppl
>>>>
>>> You would be an expert on that subject.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> so you're saying I'm dishonest. please tell me why and give examples.
>> btw and fyi I'm not dishonest, but maybe you are, since you're mates
>> with the most dishonest person here.
>>
>
>
> For one you keep changing your nym to avoid killfiles, maybe that isn't
> "dishonest" but it certainly deceptive so fuck off back where you belong.
>
>

So you tell a bloke who changes his nym he's "maybe dishonest" and tell
to fuck off while you're enabling proven liar and most abusive arsehole
this group has ever seen...

Onya Dazza, you fucking idiot.

--
In thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Sept 23 2021 11:15:59am
Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
proven liar."

On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."

On 5/12/2023 8:34 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 5/12/2023 8:31 am, Archer wrote:
>>>> Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 4/12/2023 4:18 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/12/2023 12:34 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2023 11:03 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/12/2023 1:33 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Don't get too cocky, things are known about you.Your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> address is known"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a veiled threat that some action will be taken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it? I don't see it as such.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> you don't see a lot of things normal ppl do..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Let me give you a red hot tip for free here Felix: You ain't
>>>>>>>>>>> "normal" :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> what's not normal is someone who blatantly lies about seeing
>>>>>>>>>> me drive past their house, then later thanks me for posting a
>>>>>>>>>> photo because it helps to know me better
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What is not normal is people making wildly exaggerated claims
>>>>>>>>> about their capabilities. Like 3 apprenticeships for instance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> normal behavior for dishonest ppl
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You would be an expert on that subject.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so you're saying I'm dishonest. please tell me why and give
>>>>>> examples. btw and fyi I'm not dishonest, but maybe you are, since
>>>>>> you're mates with the most dishonest person here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For one you keep changing your nym to avoid killfiles,
>>>>
>>>> lol!
>>>> Yeah, that certainly overshadows all the whopping great lies that
>>>> YLM has coughed up.
>>>>
>>>>> maybe that isn't "dishonest" but it certainly deceptive so fuck off
>>>>> back where you belong.
>>>>
>>>> lol #2
>>>>
>>>> So if "deceptive" equals "fuck off" in your world Deryl, what does
>>>> "dishonest" equate to? Atm it looks like dinner at Fraudsters place.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> alvey
>>>> Opining that being a raging hypocrite must be mandatory to join the
>>>> Enablers.
>>>>
>>> For sure the *Enablers* are full on hypocrites!
>>>
>>
>> isn't there something else we could discuss besides noddy and his
>> cronies?
>>
>
> how about the Great Climate Change Hoax ..
> https://auslink.info/video/aj_climate.mp4
>

Jones is a far right cash for comment stooge and has been totally
discredited for spreading misinformation.

Climate change is real and not a hoax and even most of the original
deniers have now accepted it's real after looking at the evidence. That
we can slow it with EV's and wind farms is certainly open to debate
though...

--
In thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Sept 23 2021 11:15:59am
Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
proven liar."

On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."

Clocky wrote:
> On 4/12/2023 2:31 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 4/12/2023 4:18 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 4/12/2023 12:34 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/12/2023 11:03 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/12/2023 1:33 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Don't get too cocky, things are known about you.Your
>>>>>>>>>>> address is known"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> is a veiled threat that some action will be taken
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is it? I don't see it as such.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you don't see a lot of things normal ppl do..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let me give you a red hot tip for free here Felix: You ain't
>>>>>>>> "normal" :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what's not normal is someone who blatantly lies about seeing me
>>>>>>> drive past their house, then later thanks me for posting a photo
>>>>>>> because it helps to know me better
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is not normal is people making wildly exaggerated claims
>>>>>> about their capabilities. Like 3 apprenticeships for instance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> normal behavior for dishonest ppl
>>>>>
>>>> You would be an expert on that subject.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> so you're saying I'm dishonest. please tell me why and give
>>> examples. btw and fyi I'm not dishonest, but maybe you are, since
>>> you're mates with the most dishonest person here.
>>>
>>
>>
>> For one you keep changing your nym to avoid killfiles, maybe that
>> isn't "dishonest" but it certainly deceptive so fuck off back where
>> you belong.
>>
>>
>
> So you tell a bloke who changes his nym he's "maybe dishonest" and
> tell to fuck off while you're enabling proven liar and most abusive
> arsehole this group has ever seen...
>
> Onya Dazza, you fucking idiot.
>

yeah, not a good look for someone is it if they want to have credibility
and respect

--
Have a nice day!..

Keithr0 wrote:
> On 28/11/2023 7:51 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 28/11/2023 6:33 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 5:45 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 4:14 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the entire exhaust system needed replacement, which was one of
>>>>>>>>> the factors in deciding to upgrade to a new car.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You should have come over when you had your chance. I'm not too
>>>>>>>> bad with pipes :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not too bad with trumpets either - you're always blowing yours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I bet most mechanics would love to have a 'shed' like his in
>>>>>> their back yard to play in tho
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> this is my 'play pen' .. https://auslink.info/pics/shed1.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> (part of it)
>>>>
>>>> Very nice, Felix. I appreciate people who are well organised and
>>>> neat & tidy. It says a lot about their work ethics in my opinion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> you're certainly in that category yourself
>>>
>>
>> and this is where I produce the pearls of wisdom that appear here :)
>>
>> https://auslink.info/pics/study.jpg
>>
> An interesting collection of vintage electronics :)

just as a matter of interest, keefy old stick, what is the basis for
your determination of them as 'vintage'? given that you cannot know what
is in those towers, but can only guess. one should not judge a book by
it's cover, as the saying goes. or do you consider something to be
vintage if it doesn't look like it came off the USS Enterprise, complete
with flashing neon lights and self levitation properties? curios minds
would like to know...

--
Have a nice day!..

On 5/12/2023 5:50 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Keithr0 wrote:
>> On 28/11/2023 7:51 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 28/11/2023 6:33 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 5:45 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 4:14 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the entire exhaust system needed replacement, which was one of
>>>>>>>>>> the factors in deciding to upgrade to a new car.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You should have come over when you had your chance. I'm not too
>>>>>>>>> bad with pipes :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not too bad with trumpets either - you're always blowing yours.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I bet most mechanics would love to have a 'shed' like his in
>>>>>>> their back yard to play in tho
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this is my 'play pen' .. https://auslink.info/pics/shed1.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (part of it)
>>>>>
>>>>> Very nice, Felix. I appreciate people who are well organised and
>>>>> neat & tidy. It says a lot about their work ethics in my opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you're certainly in that category yourself
>>>>
>>>
>>> and this is where I produce the pearls of wisdom that appear here :)
>>>
>>> https://auslink.info/pics/study.jpg
>>>
>> An interesting collection of vintage electronics :)
>
> just as a matter of interest, keefy old stick, what is the basis for
> your determination of them as 'vintage'? given that you cannot know what
> is in those towers, but can only guess. one should not judge a book by
> it's cover, as the saying goes. or do you consider something to be
> vintage if it doesn't look like it came off the USS Enterprise, complete
> with flashing neon lights and self levitation properties? curios minds
> would like to know...
>
I have 4 towers, no, make that 5 if you include the Mac Pro. None are
younger than 12, most older - up to 20 years. All are pretty much old
hat. The only reason you would need a tower case nowadays is if you were
into gaming or the like and needed some heavy hitting hardware - and the
room to plug it in. I am not in that category, at least not any more.
Nowadays computers like the Mac Mini or laptops suit my needs. Need a
Windows machine, NUCs fill that need more than satisfactorily. Need more
than one beast on your desktop? Use a KVM.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Xeno wrote:
> On 5/12/2023 5:50 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 28/11/2023 7:51 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 6:33 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 5:45 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 4:14 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the entire exhaust system needed replacement, which was one
>>>>>>>>>>> of the factors in deciding to upgrade to a new car.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You should have come over when you had your chance. I'm not
>>>>>>>>>> too bad with pipes :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not too bad with trumpets either - you're always blowing yours.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I bet most mechanics would love to have a 'shed' like his in
>>>>>>>> their back yard to play in tho
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this is my 'play pen' .. https://auslink.info/pics/shed1.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (part of it)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very nice, Felix. I appreciate people who are well organised and
>>>>>> neat & tidy. It says a lot about their work ethics in my opinion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> you're certainly in that category yourself
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> and this is where I produce the pearls of wisdom that appear here :)
>>>>
>>>> https://auslink.info/pics/study.jpg
>>>>
>>> An interesting collection of vintage electronics :)
>>
>> just as a matter of interest, keefy old stick, what is the basis for
>> your determination of them as 'vintage'? given that you cannot know
>> what is in those towers, but can only guess. one should not judge a
>> book by it's cover, as the saying goes. or do you consider something
>> to be vintage if it doesn't look like it came off the USS Enterprise,
>> complete with flashing neon lights and self levitation properties?
>> curios minds would like to know...
>>
> I have 4 towers, no, make that 5 if you include the Mac Pro. None are
> younger than 12, most older - up to 20 years. All are pretty much old
> hat. The only reason you would need a tower case nowadays is if you
> were into gaming or the like and needed some heavy hitting hardware -
> and the room to plug it in. I am not in that category, at least not
> any more. Nowadays computers like the Mac Mini or laptops suit my needs.

not interested in Macs, and I have a laptop but only use it when traveling

> Need a Windows machine, NUCs fill that need more than satisfactorily.

really?

https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/11/23790956/intel-nuc-compact-pc-discontinued

> Need more than one beast on your desktop? Use a KVM.
>

I use a KVM. I have everything setup how I want.

--
Have a nice day!..

On 6/12/2023 12:28 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 5/12/2023 5:50 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 28/11/2023 7:51 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 6:33 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 5:45 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 4:14 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the entire exhaust system needed replacement, which was one
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the factors in deciding to upgrade to a new car.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You should have come over when you had your chance. I'm not
>>>>>>>>>>> too bad with pipes :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not too bad with trumpets either - you're always blowing yours.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I bet most mechanics would love to have a 'shed' like his in
>>>>>>>>> their back yard to play in tho
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> this is my 'play pen' .. https://auslink.info/pics/shed1.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (part of it)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very nice, Felix. I appreciate people who are well organised and
>>>>>>> neat & tidy. It says a lot about their work ethics in my opinion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you're certainly in that category yourself
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> and this is where I produce the pearls of wisdom that appear here :)
>>>>>
>>>>> https://auslink.info/pics/study.jpg
>>>>>
>>>> An interesting collection of vintage electronics :)
>>>
>>> just as a matter of interest, keefy old stick, what is the basis for
>>> your determination of them as 'vintage'? given that you cannot know
>>> what is in those towers, but can only guess. one should not judge a
>>> book by it's cover, as the saying goes. or do you consider something
>>> to be vintage if it doesn't look like it came off the USS Enterprise,
>>> complete with flashing neon lights and self levitation properties?
>>> curios minds would like to know...
>>>
>> I have 4 towers, no, make that 5 if you include the Mac Pro. None are
>> younger than 12, most older - up to 20 years. All are pretty much old
>> hat. The only reason you would need a tower case nowadays is if you
>> were into gaming or the like and needed some heavy hitting hardware -
>> and the room to plug it in. I am not in that category, at least not
>> any more. Nowadays computers like the Mac Mini or laptops suit my needs.
>
> not interested in Macs, and I have a laptop but only use it when traveling

Thing is, the Intel Macs can run Windows or Linux. I put Linux Mint on
the Mac Pro and on a 2011 vintage Mac Mini - works perfectly, pity I
don't really have a use for them any more. I inherited a ~10 year old
Acer Aspire 15.4" laptop in like new condition, was running Win 8.0 so I
removed the 500 GB HDD, inserted a 128 GB SSD, installed Linux mint 22
and it runs like a racehorse.
>
>> Need a Windows machine, NUCs fill that need more than satisfactorily.
>
> really?
>
> https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/11/23790956/intel-nuc-compact-pc-discontinued

That may be so but there are plenty of small form factor PCs out there.
A friend here buys used ones (ex lease mostly) by the hundreds, then
onsells them to Europe and Asia for a rather tidy profit. For instance;

https://au.pcmag.com/desktops/51728/the-best-windows-mini-pcs

>
>> Need more than one beast on your desktop? Use a KVM.
>>
>
> I use a KVM. I have everything setup how I want.
>

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Xeno wrote:
> On 6/12/2023 12:28 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 5/12/2023 5:50 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 28/11/2023 7:51 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 6:33 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 5:45 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 4:14 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the entire exhaust system needed replacement, which was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of the factors in deciding to upgrade to a new car.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You should have come over when you had your chance. I'm not
>>>>>>>>>>>> too bad with pipes :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not too bad with trumpets either - you're always blowing yours.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I bet most mechanics would love to have a 'shed' like his in
>>>>>>>>>> their back yard to play in tho
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this is my 'play pen' .. https://auslink.info/pics/shed1.jpg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (part of it)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very nice, Felix. I appreciate people who are well organised
>>>>>>>> and neat & tidy. It says a lot about their work ethics in my
>>>>>>>> opinion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you're certainly in that category yourself
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and this is where I produce the pearls of wisdom that appear here :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://auslink.info/pics/study.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>> An interesting collection of vintage electronics :)
>>>>
>>>> just as a matter of interest, keefy old stick, what is the basis
>>>> for your determination of them as 'vintage'? given that you cannot
>>>> know what is in those towers, but can only guess. one should not
>>>> judge a book by it's cover, as the saying goes. or do you consider
>>>> something to be vintage if it doesn't look like it came off the USS
>>>> Enterprise, complete with flashing neon lights and self levitation
>>>> properties? curios minds would like to know...
>>>>
>>> I have 4 towers, no, make that 5 if you include the Mac Pro. None
>>> are younger than 12, most older - up to 20 years. All are pretty
>>> much old hat. The only reason you would need a tower case nowadays
>>> is if you were into gaming or the like and needed some heavy hitting
>>> hardware - and the room to plug it in. I am not in that category, at
>>> least not any more. Nowadays computers like the Mac Mini or laptops
>>> suit my needs.
>>
>> not interested in Macs, and I have a laptop but only use it when
>> traveling
>
> Thing is, the Intel Macs can run Windows or Linux. I put Linux Mint on
> the Mac Pro and on a 2011 vintage Mac Mini - works perfectly,

I have a dedicated Linx box running Mint ..
https://auslink.info/pics/linux_box.jpg

> pity I don't really have a use for them any more.

I have a few leftovers :) .. https://auslink.info/pics/leftovers.jpg 
btw, the beige box vertical on top of the pile is a totally fully
functional DOS Box running a 386 SX and ISA BUS. it must be an
historical relic now. wonder if it valuable as a collectors item?  :)

> I inherited a ~10 year old Acer Aspire 15.4" laptop in like new
> condition, was running Win 8.0 so I removed the 500 GB HDD, inserted a
> 128 GB SSD, installed Linux mint 22 and it runs like a racehorse.

yep. I have 128 Gb Samsung SSD I replaced from my Acer Laptop with a
bigger one. think I will use that in the Linux machine, not that it
really needs it.

>>
>>> Need a Windows machine, NUCs fill that need more than satisfactorily.
>>
>> really?
>>
>> https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/11/23790956/intel-nuc-compact-pc-discontinued
>>
>
> That may be so but there are plenty of small form factor PCs out
> there. A friend here buys used ones (ex lease mostly) by the hundreds,
> then onsells them to Europe and Asia for a rather tidy profit. For
> instance;
>
> https://au.pcmag.com/desktops/51728/the-best-windows-mini-pcs

that's good for him, but I don't need one. I've got the setup for what I
want. also got a PC in the bedroom, and one in the lounge room connected
to the TV's. don't use them much tho.

>
>>
>>> Need more than one beast on your desktop? Use a KVM.
>>>
>>
>> I use a KVM. I have everything setup how I want.
>>
>

the KVM I use is electronic. just press one button to switch between
machines.

--
Have a nice day!..

On 6/12/2023 8:15 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 6/12/2023 12:28 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 5/12/2023 5:50 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 7:51 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 6:33 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 5:45 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 4:14 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the entire exhaust system needed replacement, which was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of the factors in deciding to upgrade to a new car.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You should have come over when you had your chance. I'm not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> too bad with pipes :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not too bad with trumpets either - you're always blowing yours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I bet most mechanics would love to have a 'shed' like his in
>>>>>>>>>>> their back yard to play in tho
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> this is my 'play pen' .. https://auslink.info/pics/shed1.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (part of it)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Very nice, Felix. I appreciate people who are well organised
>>>>>>>>> and neat & tidy. It says a lot about their work ethics in my
>>>>>>>>> opinion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you're certainly in that category yourself
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and this is where I produce the pearls of wisdom that appear here :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://auslink.info/pics/study.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> An interesting collection of vintage electronics :)
>>>>>
>>>>> just as a matter of interest, keefy old stick, what is the basis
>>>>> for your determination of them as 'vintage'? given that you cannot
>>>>> know what is in those towers, but can only guess. one should not
>>>>> judge a book by it's cover, as the saying goes. or do you consider
>>>>> something to be vintage if it doesn't look like it came off the USS
>>>>> Enterprise, complete with flashing neon lights and self levitation
>>>>> properties? curios minds would like to know...
>>>>>
>>>> I have 4 towers, no, make that 5 if you include the Mac Pro. None
>>>> are younger than 12, most older - up to 20 years. All are pretty
>>>> much old hat. The only reason you would need a tower case nowadays
>>>> is if you were into gaming or the like and needed some heavy hitting
>>>> hardware - and the room to plug it in. I am not in that category, at
>>>> least not any more. Nowadays computers like the Mac Mini or laptops
>>>> suit my needs.
>>>
>>> not interested in Macs, and I have a laptop but only use it when
>>> traveling
>>
>> Thing is, the Intel Macs can run Windows or Linux. I put Linux Mint on
>> the Mac Pro and on a 2011 vintage Mac Mini - works perfectly,
>
> I have a dedicated Linx box running Mint ..
> https://auslink.info/pics/linux_box.jpg

I see you have a beige floppy drive in your black box. I retained a
couple of those but, in the towers I have remaining, I have black face
IDE 250 MB Zip drives. Much nicer that those old 1.4 MB floppy drives.
>
>> pity I don't really have a use for them any more.
>
> I have a few leftovers :) .. https://auslink.info/pics/leftovers.jpg

Leftovers from the dark ages by the look of it. I forsook the beige box
decades ago, black is beautiful around here

> btw, the beige box vertical on top of the pile is a totally fully
> functional DOS Box running a 386 SX and ISA BUS. it must be an
> historical relic now. wonder if it valuable as a collectors item?  :)
>
>> I inherited a ~10 year old Acer Aspire 15.4" laptop in like new
>> condition, was running Win 8.0 so I removed the 500 GB HDD, inserted a
>> 128 GB SSD, installed Linux mint 22 and it runs like a racehorse.
>
> yep. I have 128 Gb Samsung SSD I replaced from my Acer Laptop with a
> bigger one. think I will use that in the Linux machine, not that it
> really needs it.
>
It really makes an underpowered laptop, or desktop, sit up and take
notice. A fast one can be wasted on a slow SATA interface though.
>>>
>>>> Need a Windows machine, NUCs fill that need more than satisfactorily.
>>>
>>> really?
>>>
>>> https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/11/23790956/intel-nuc-compact-pc-discontinued
>>
>> That may be so but there are plenty of small form factor PCs out
>> there. A friend here buys used ones (ex lease mostly) by the hundreds,
>> then onsells them to Europe and Asia for a rather tidy profit. For
>> instance;
>>
>> https://au.pcmag.com/desktops/51728/the-best-windows-mini-pcs
>
> that's good for him, but I don't need one. I've got the setup for what I
> want. also got a PC in the bedroom, and one in the lounge room connected
> to the TV's. don't use them much tho.

My Mac Minis are a small form factor, very handy for saving desktop space
>
>>
>>>
>>>> Need more than one beast on your desktop? Use a KVM.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I use a KVM. I have everything setup how I want.
>>>
>>
>
> the KVM I use is electronic. just press one button to switch between
> machines.
>
Ditto, but the ones I use have keyboard combination keystroke switch
over as well. And one is even graced with a *remote control*.

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Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Xeno wrote:
> On 6/12/2023 8:15 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 6/12/2023 12:28 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 5/12/2023 5:50 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 7:51 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 6:33 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 5:45 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 4:14 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the entire exhaust system needed replacement, which was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of the factors in deciding to upgrade to a new car.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You should have come over when you had your chance. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not too bad with pipes :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not too bad with trumpets either - you're always blowing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I bet most mechanics would love to have a 'shed' like his
>>>>>>>>>>>> in their back yard to play in tho
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> this is my 'play pen' .. https://auslink.info/pics/shed1.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (part of it)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Very nice, Felix. I appreciate people who are well organised
>>>>>>>>>> and neat & tidy. It says a lot about their work ethics in my
>>>>>>>>>> opinion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you're certainly in that category yourself
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and this is where I produce the pearls of wisdom that appear
>>>>>>>> here :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://auslink.info/pics/study.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An interesting collection of vintage electronics :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> just as a matter of interest, keefy old stick, what is the basis
>>>>>> for your determination of them as 'vintage'? given that you
>>>>>> cannot know what is in those towers, but can only guess. one
>>>>>> should not judge a book by it's cover, as the saying goes. or do
>>>>>> you consider something to be vintage if it doesn't look like it
>>>>>> came off the USS Enterprise, complete with flashing neon lights
>>>>>> and self levitation properties? curios minds would like to know...
>>>>>>
>>>>> I have 4 towers, no, make that 5 if you include the Mac Pro. None
>>>>> are younger than 12, most older - up to 20 years. All are pretty
>>>>> much old hat. The only reason you would need a tower case nowadays
>>>>> is if you were into gaming or the like and needed some heavy
>>>>> hitting hardware - and the room to plug it in. I am not in that
>>>>> category, at least not any more. Nowadays computers like the Mac
>>>>> Mini or laptops suit my needs.
>>>>
>>>> not interested in Macs, and I have a laptop but only use it when
>>>> traveling
>>>
>>> Thing is, the Intel Macs can run Windows or Linux. I put Linux Mint
>>> on the Mac Pro and on a 2011 vintage Mac Mini - works perfectly,
>>
>> I have a dedicated Linx box running Mint ..
>> https://auslink.info/pics/linux_box.jpg
>
> I see you have a beige floppy drive in your black box.

why not

> I retained a couple of those but, in the towers I have remaining, I
> have black face IDE 250 MB Zip drives. Much nicer that those old 1.4
> MB floppy drives.

I have a Zip 250 MB in one of my main computers also

>>
>>> pity I don't really have a use for them any more.
>>
>> I have a few leftovers :) .. https://auslink.info/pics/leftovers.jpg
>
> Leftovers from the dark ages by the look of it. I forsook the beige
> box decades ago, black is beautiful around here

yeah whatever

>
>> btw, the beige box vertical on top of the pile is a totally fully
>> functional DOS Box running a 386 SX and ISA BUS. it must be an
>> historical relic now. wonder if it valuable as a collectors item?  :)
>>
>>> I inherited a ~10 year old Acer Aspire 15.4" laptop in like new
>>> condition, was running Win 8.0 so I removed the 500 GB HDD, inserted
>>> a 128 GB SSD, installed Linux mint 22 and it runs like a racehorse.
>>
>> yep. I have 128 Gb Samsung SSD I replaced from my Acer Laptop with a
>> bigger one. think I will use that in the Linux machine, not that it
>> really needs it.
>>
> It really makes an underpowered laptop, or desktop, sit up and take
> notice. A fast one can be wasted on a slow SATA interface though.
>>>>
>>>>> Need a Windows machine, NUCs fill that need more than satisfactorily.
>>>>
>>>> really?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/11/23790956/intel-nuc-compact-pc-discontinued
>>>>
>>>
>>> That may be so but there are plenty of small form factor PCs out
>>> there. A friend here buys used ones (ex lease mostly) by the
>>> hundreds, then onsells them to Europe and Asia for a rather tidy
>>> profit. For instance;
>>>
>>> https://au.pcmag.com/desktops/51728/the-best-windows-mini-pcs
>>
>> that's good for him, but I don't need one. I've got the setup for
>> what I want. also got a PC in the bedroom, and one in the lounge room
>> connected to the TV's. don't use them much tho.
>
> My Mac Minis are a small form factor, very handy for saving desktop space
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Need more than one beast on your desktop? Use a KVM.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I use a KVM. I have everything setup how I want.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> the KVM I use is electronic. just press one button to switch between
>> machines.
>>
> Ditto, but the ones I use have keyboard combination keystroke switch
> over as well. And one is even graced with a *remote control*.
>

--
Have a nice day!..

On Wed, 06 Dec 2023 20:15:16 +1100, Mighty Mouse
<squeak!@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:

> Xeno wrote:
>> On 6/12/2023 12:28 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 5/12/2023 5:50 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 7:51 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 6:33 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 5:45 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/11/2023 4:14 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the entire exhaust system needed replacement, which was one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the factors in deciding to upgrade to a new car.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You should have come over when you had your chance. I'm not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> too bad with pipes :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not too bad with trumpets either - you're always blowing
>>>>>>>>>>>> yours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I bet most mechanics would love to have a 'shed' like his in
>>>>>>>>>>> their back yard to play in tho
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> this is my 'play pen' .. https://auslink.info/pics/shed1.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (part of it)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Very nice, Felix. I appreciate people who are well organised and
>>>>>>>>> neat & tidy. It says a lot about their work ethics in my opinion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you're certainly in that category yourself
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and this is where I produce the pearls of wisdom that appear here
>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://auslink.info/pics/study.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> An interesting collection of vintage electronics :)
>>>>>
>>>>> just as a matter of interest, keefy old stick, what is the basis for
>>>>> your determination of them as 'vintage'? given that you cannot know
>>>>> what is in those towers, but can only guess. one should not judge a
>>>>> book by it's cover, as the saying goes. or do you consider something
>>>>> to be vintage if it doesn't look like it came off the USS
>>>>> Enterprise, complete with flashing neon lights and self levitation
>>>>> properties? curios minds would like to know...
>>>>>
>>>> I have 4 towers, no, make that 5 if you include the Mac Pro. None are
>>>> younger than 12, most older - up to 20 years. All are pretty much old
>>>> hat. The only reason you would need a tower case nowadays is if you
>>>> were into gaming or the like and needed some heavy hitting hardware -
>>>> and the room to plug it in. I am not in that category, at least not
>>>> any more. Nowadays computers like the Mac Mini or laptops suit my
>>>> needs.
>>>
>>> not interested in Macs, and I have a laptop but only use it when
>>> traveling
>>
>> Thing is, the Intel Macs can run Windows or Linux. I put Linux Mint on
>> the Mac Pro and on a 2011 vintage Mac Mini - works perfectly,
>
> I have a dedicated Linx box running Mint ..
> https://auslink.info/pics/linux_box.jpg
>
>> pity I don't really have a use for them any more.
>
> I have a few leftovers :) .. https://auslink.info/pics/leftovers.jpg
> btw, the beige box vertical on top of the pile is a totally fully
> functional DOS Box running a 386 SX and ISA BUS. it must be an
> historical relic now. wonder if it valuable as a collectors item? :)

No value at all.

>> I inherited a ~10 year old Acer Aspire 15.4" laptop in like new
>> condition, was running Win 8.0 so I removed the 500 GB HDD, inserted a
>> 128 GB SSD, installed Linux mint 22 and it runs like a racehorse.
>
> yep. I have 128 Gb Samsung SSD I replaced from my Acer Laptop with a
> bigger one. think I will use that in the Linux machine, not that it
> really needs it.
>
>>>
>>>> Need a Windows machine, NUCs fill that need more than satisfactorily.
>>>
>>> really?
>>>
>>> https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/11/23790956/intel-nuc-compact-pc-discontinued
>>
>> That may be so but there are plenty of small form factor PCs out there.
>> A friend here buys used ones (ex lease mostly) by the hundreds, then
>> onsells them to Europe and Asia for a rather tidy profit. For instance;
>>
>> https://au.pcmag.com/desktops/51728/the-best-windows-mini-pcs
>
> that's good for him, but I don't need one. I've got the setup for what I
> want. also got a PC in the bedroom, and one in the lounge room connected
> to the TV's. don't use them much tho.
>
>>
>>>
>>>> Need more than one beast on your desktop? Use a KVM.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I use a KVM. I have everything setup how I want.
>>>
>>
>
> the KVM I use is electronic. just press one button to switch between
> machines.

In aus.computers Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> Thing is, the Intel Macs can run Windows or Linux. I put Linux Mint on
>> the Mac Pro and on a 2011 vintage Mac Mini - works perfectly,
>
> I have a dedicated Linx box running Mint ..
> https://auslink.info/pics/linux_box.jpg
>
>> pity I don't really have a use for them any more.
>
> I have a few leftovers :) .. https://auslink.info/pics/leftovers.jpg
> btw, the beige box vertical on top of the pile is a totally fully
> functional DOS Box running a 386 SX and ISA BUS. it must be an
> historical relic now. wonder if it valuable as a collectors item? :)

People are paying $100 or more now, especially if pre-installed
with a collection of classic DOS games. I've been thinking of
selling off some that are rusting away in the shed, but I worry
that all the boards will be knocked lose in the post and I'd just
get people complaining that it doesn't work when they receive them.
Plus the rust is real too.

Wow things have actually been going up, here's a slightly-rusty PC
_case_ advertised for $110:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/304365040816

From a seller who recently sold a 486 with Win95 installed for $549:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/305214161381

They even got $299 for a 286 in a boring little office-PC case:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/305283908011

Well it seems the more I procrastinate the more they're worth, but
like old cars it's all a matter of how much they rust away while I
wait!

Also this is posted, as usual, from a Pentium 1 beige box PC in a
case that looks somewhat similar to your 386 one. Booted into
Linux (an old version, but it is able to boot into a current
Linux distro Live CD), but also with Win98 installed on a second
HDD (used mainly to run software for old parallel port and ISA
electronics-related hardware devices).

>>>> Need a Windows machine, NUCs fill that need more than satisfactorily.
>>>
>>> really?
>>>
>>> https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/11/23790956/intel-nuc-compact-pc-discontinued
>>
>> That may be so but there are plenty of small form factor PCs out
>> there. A friend here buys used ones (ex lease mostly) by the hundreds,
>> then onsells them to Europe and Asia for a rather tidy profit. For
>> instance;
>>
>> https://au.pcmag.com/desktops/51728/the-best-windows-mini-pcs
>
> that's good for him, but I don't need one. I've got the setup for what I
> want. also got a PC in the bedroom, and one in the lounge room connected
> to the TV's. don't use them much tho.

SBCs (single-board-computers) work out cheaper than things like the
Intel NUCs, and are often lower power consumption too. Of course
you do then have the project of making/buying a case and figuring
out how to set the software up.

Besides the ARM-based ones like the Raspberry Pis, there are some
x86_64 SBCs out there which can be a much more power-efficient
replacement for an always-on desktop PC.

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In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Dec 2023 20:15:16 +1100, Mighty Mouse
> <squeak!@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have a few leftovers :) .. https://auslink.info/pics/leftovers.jpg
>> btw, the beige box vertical on top of the pile is a totally fully
>> functional DOS Box running a 386 SX and ISA BUS. it must be an
>> historical relic now. wonder if it valuable as a collectors item? :)
>
> No value at all.

A quick look at sold listings on Ebay proves you wrong.

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Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Mighty Mouse <squeak!@thecheesefactory.com> wrote

>>> btw, the beige box vertical on top of the pile is a totally fully
>>> functional DOS Box running a 386 SX and ISA BUS. it must be an
>>> historical relic now. wonder if it valuable as a collectors item? :)

>> No value at all.

> A quick look at sold listings on Ebay proves you wrong.

No it does not with the one he has.

Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> In aus.computers Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> Thing is, the Intel Macs can run Windows or Linux. I put Linux Mint on
>>> the Mac Pro and on a 2011 vintage Mac Mini - works perfectly,
>> I have a dedicated Linx box running Mint ..
>> https://auslink.info/pics/linux_box.jpg
>>
>>> pity I don't really have a use for them any more.
>> I have a few leftovers :) .. https://auslink.info/pics/leftovers.jpg
>> btw, the beige box vertical on top of the pile is a totally fully
>> functional DOS Box running a 386 SX and ISA BUS. it must be an
>> historical relic now. wonder if it valuable as a collectors item? :)
> People are paying $100 or more now, especially if pre-installed
> with a collection of classic DOS games. I've been thinking of
> selling off some that are rusting away in the shed, but I worry
> that all the boards will be knocked lose in the post and I'd just
> get people complaining that it doesn't work when they receive them.
> Plus the rust is real too.
>
> Wow things have actually been going up, here's a slightly-rusty PC
> _case_ advertised for $110:
> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/304365040816
>
> From a seller who recently sold a 486 with Win95 installed for $549:
> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/305214161381
>
> They even got $299 for a 286 in a boring little office-PC case:
> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/305283908011

very interesting. thanks for that. I will see what I have I can sell!
the biggest problem with such large items is the packing and shipping.

this is the best company I've found for shipping ..
https://au.interparcel.com/ they give you quotes from all the major
carriers, then you just pick the one you want

>
> Well it seems the more I procrastinate the more they're worth,

it seems if you keep anything long enough it becomes worth something to
collectors

> but
> like old cars it's all a matter of how much they rust away while I
> wait!

fortunately I can store items without that problem.

>
> Also this is posted, as usual, from a Pentium 1 beige box PC in a
> case that looks somewhat similar to your 386 one. Booted into
> Linux (an old version, but it is able to boot into a current
> Linux distro Live CD), but also with Win98 installed on a second
> HDD (used mainly to run software for old parallel port and ISA
> electronics-related hardware devices).

this is the PC I currently use .. https://auslink.info/pics/speccy1.jpg

>
>>>>> Need a Windows machine, NUCs fill that need more than satisfactorily.
>>>> really?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/11/23790956/intel-nuc-compact-pc-discontinued
>>> That may be so but there are plenty of small form factor PCs out
>>> there. A friend here buys used ones (ex lease mostly) by the hundreds,
>>> then onsells them to Europe and Asia for a rather tidy profit. For
>>> instance;
>>>
>>> https://au.pcmag.com/desktops/51728/the-best-windows-mini-pcs
>> that's good for him, but I don't need one. I've got the setup for what I
>> want. also got a PC in the bedroom, and one in the lounge room connected
>> to the TV's. don't use them much tho.
> SBCs (single-board-computers) work out cheaper than things like the
> Intel NUCs, and are often lower power consumption too. Of course
> you do then have the project of making/buying a case and figuring
> out how to set the software up.
>
> Besides the ARM-based ones like the Raspberry Pis, there are some
> x86_64 SBCs out there which can be a much more power-efficient
> replacement for an always-on desktop PC.
>

--
Have a nice day!..

On 7/12/2023 7:36 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> In aus.computers Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> Thing is, the Intel Macs can run Windows or Linux. I put Linux Mint on
>>> the Mac Pro and on a 2011 vintage Mac Mini - works perfectly,
>>
>> I have a dedicated Linx box running Mint ..
>> https://auslink.info/pics/linux_box.jpg
>>
>>> pity I don't really have a use for them any more.
>>
>> I have a few leftovers :) .. https://auslink.info/pics/leftovers.jpg
>> btw, the beige box vertical on top of the pile is a totally fully
>> functional DOS Box running a 386 SX and ISA BUS. it must be an
>> historical relic now. wonder if it valuable as a collectors item? :)
>
> People are paying $100 or more now, especially if pre-installed
> with a collection of classic DOS games. I've been thinking of
> selling off some that are rusting away in the shed, but I worry
> that all the boards will be knocked lose in the post and I'd just
> get people complaining that it doesn't work when they receive them.
> Plus the rust is real too.
>
> Wow things have actually been going up, here's a slightly-rusty PC
> _case_ advertised for $110:
> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/304365040816

Back in the 90s I was asked to appraise some 286 machines that were
being offered to us as part of a deal for some second hand mainframe
parts. Not only were they rusty but there was grass growing inside.
Unfortunately the grass was the type that you cut with a lawnmower,
otherwise it would it would have been worthwhile taking them. Offer
declined.

> From a seller who recently sold a 486 with Win95 installed for $549:
> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/305214161381
>
> They even got $299 for a 286 in a boring little office-PC case:
> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/305283908011

Much cheaper at the local op shop if you're into that sort of thing.

> Well it seems the more I procrastinate the more they're worth, but
> like old cars it's all a matter of how much they rust away while I
> wait!
>
> Also this is posted, as usual, from a Pentium 1 beige box PC in a
> case that looks somewhat similar to your 386 one. Booted into
> Linux (an old version, but it is able to boot into a current
> Linux distro Live CD), but also with Win98 installed on a second
> HDD (used mainly to run software for old parallel port and ISA
> electronics-related hardware devices).
>
>>>>> Need a Windows machine, NUCs fill that need more than satisfactorily.
>>>>
>>>> really?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/11/23790956/intel-nuc-compact-pc-discontinued
>>>
>>> That may be so but there are plenty of small form factor PCs out
>>> there. A friend here buys used ones (ex lease mostly) by the hundreds,
>>> then onsells them to Europe and Asia for a rather tidy profit. For
>>> instance;
>>>
>>> https://au.pcmag.com/desktops/51728/the-best-windows-mini-pcs
>>
>> that's good for him, but I don't need one. I've got the setup for what I
>> want. also got a PC in the bedroom, and one in the lounge room connected
>> to the TV's. don't use them much tho.
>
> SBCs (single-board-computers) work out cheaper than things like the
> Intel NUCs, and are often lower power consumption too. Of course
> you do then have the project of making/buying a case and figuring
> out how to set the software up.
>
> Besides the ARM-based ones like the Raspberry Pis, there are some
> x86_64 SBCs out there which can be a much more power-efficient
> replacement for an always-on desktop PC.
>