On 15/12/2021 5:45 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 15/12/21 3:14 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> That's one way of looking at it. Price gouging is another. All
>> manufacturers do it, but Toyota do it better than most :)
>>
>>
> A few years ago I asked one of the owners of Melton Toyota why they
> don't discount Hilux's, she replied "we can sell as many as we can get
> our hands on at RRP so why would we discount".
> From a business owners point of view that comment is difficult to argue
> with, with the current lack of supply they seem to getting away with
> charging whatever they like.

Which is a crap business policy if you ask me. Shows you how little they
think of their customers :)

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 15/12/2021 10:44 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 15/12/2021 10:08 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named Time's
>>> Person
>>> ot Year.
>>
>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person of
>> the Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin,
>> and Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>
> Lol :)
>
> Yep. Nothing like a bit of media hysteria from the American equivalent
> of "Woman's weekly" to make the morons chant and rave. I wonder if
> Alvey was equally as excited when that media whore sock puppet Greta
> Thunberg was named as person of the year a couple of years ago?
>
>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>
> Alvey has demonstrated *way* more than enough times that he is nothing
> other than an attention seeking fuckwit.
>

that's your opinion is it. read my sig..

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On 15/12/2021 12:33 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 15/12/2021 7:08 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
>>>>> average car.
>>>>
>>>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and
>>>> whining road
>>>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet here
>>>> you are
>>>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not having
>>>> any
>>>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one. So
>>>> guess what
>>>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>>>
>>>> Well played.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named Time's
>>> Person
>>> ot Year.
>>
>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person of
>> the Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin,
>> and Trump.
>
> Nice try but that just reveals your ignorance so typical of a FLCJC
> member.
>
> Time names the "Person of the Year" for their influence or
> achievements, good, bad and/or ugly.
> For instance, in the case of Hitler the reasoning was:
>
> "Hitler became in 1938 the greatest threatening force that the
> democratic, freedom-loving world faces today"
>
> History agrees.
>
> Of Musk it says:
>
> Visionary. Showman. Iconoclast. Troll. How Elon Musk is reshaping our
> world—and beyond
>
> All of those things are accurate.
>
>  Yep he's in great company there.
>>
>
> Yes he is in the context of what the Time "Person of the Year"
> acknowledges, not what you think it means.
>
>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>
> You've never managed to pull your head out of your arse.

lol, every time grubby posts he makes a dick of himself

meanwhile here's something enjoyable to watch..
https://www.instagram.com/p/CXecFIFFsI9/

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On 15/12/21 10:44 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 15/12/2021 10:08 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named Time's
>>> Person
>>> ot Year.
>>
>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person of
>> the Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
>> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>
> Lol :)
>
> Yep. Nothing like a bit of media hysteria from the American equivalent
> of "Woman's weekly" to make the morons chant and rave. I wonder if Alvey

Time Magazine is the *equivalent* of America's Woman's Weekly? Easy to
see the limits of your media awareness if that's what you think

> was equally as excited when that media whore sock puppet Greta Thunberg
> was named as person of the year a couple of years ago?
>
>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>
> Alvey has demonstrated *way* more than enough times that he is nothing
> other than an attention seeking fuckwit.
>
No, people who lie about their achievements are attention seekers. Why
Darren, that would be *you*. That mirror is getting you into strife yet
again.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 15/12/21 11:05 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 14/12/21 10:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 14/12/2021 9:34 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>
>>> Had a short drive of about 10kms of the above, smaller than I
>>> expected but it was loaded with all the bells and whistles.
>>> Car was 18mths old but had only done 3600kms because the son's mate
>>> Chris (he works for Melbourne Water and its his work car) works from
>>> home and hasn't driven it much due to covid.
>>> It has a normal looking stop/start button which you press to turn it
>>> on then you select either forward or reverse then release the handbrake.
>>> I was warned about the excessive torque steer and they weren't wrong,
>>> flooring the accelerator at 30kph the front left tyre chirped and it
>>> nearly ripped the steering wheel out of my hand, worse than what I
>>> expected but unlikely to be a problem once you were used to it and it
>>> only happens under hard acceleration so not an issue in normal driving.
>>> What surprised me was that as soon as I lifted my foot off the brake
>>> the car started to move without touching the accelerator, don't know
>>> why it does that since the motor shouldn't be turning.
>>
>> That seems odd. It's not like it has a running engine driving a torque
>> converter.
>
> It was weird, only reason I can think of is that maybe Hyundai wanted it
> to drive like a normal car.
> One thing I forget to mention is the regenerative braking, in normal
> driving you barely have to touch the brake pedal, how far you lift off
> the accel pedal determines how much it brakes, list right off and it
> brakes quite firmly although I was told that the aggressiveness of the
> regen braking is adjustable.
> It would take a bit of getting used to because it brakes even when you
> just want to coast, I suspect after a while you would learn to balance
> the accel pedal to get it to do what you wanted.
> There is also a gauge on the dash telling you how much its recharging
> when braking, I suspect brake pads and rotors will last a very long time.

Don't *suspect* it, it's a common feature of BEVs with regen.

>>
>>> It was noisier than I expected, I expected to just hear a bit of tyre
>>> or wind noise but it almost sounded like a IC powered car but the
>>> driver said that it made that noise on purpose so people can hear it
>>> coming and he thought that the noise could be turned off.
>>
>> Strange.
>>
>>> The range stated on the windscreen sticker was 537kms so range
>>> shouldn't be an issue for most people.
>>> Apart from the torque steer it drove pretty much as I would expect
>>> any newish small SUV to drive.
>>> IMHO its biggest problem is its price, the electric Kona is between
>>> $59k for the Elite standard range to $69k for the Highlander extended
>>> range, the most expensive top of the range petrol model is $46,675.00
>>> Chris's brother just bought a Tesla Model 3 which cost him just over
>>> $70k, Chris had a test drive of the Tesla and in his opinion it was
>>> very much a better car than his Hyundai.
>>
>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
>> average car.
>>
>
> I was told that the main difference was handling with the Tesla handling
> much better, Chris who thought that the Tesla was better is a civil
> engineer and I wouldn't call him a car enthusiast and I doubt that he
> would notice build quality.
> Just found out last night that friends in Melton also just bought a
> Tesla so after a bit of time I'll be asking how they are going, trouble
> is neither owners are what I would call "car people" so I'm not sure how
> valuable their opinions will be but I should be able to find out if they
> have any problems.

Probably far better to glean the opinions of non-car people than from a
liar like Darren. Darren's opinion on cars is not worth two knobs of
goat shit.

> I was also told that there is a new and much improved Electric Kona out
> next year, the one I drove is a bit of a "beta" version and no doubt
> Hyundai will sort out an issues.
> Overall I though that it was a good car but the price is whats stopping
> it selling in big numbers.
>
>
The price OS is lower. We are being screwed here because the govt. is,
or has been, anti BEV.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 15/12/21 1:32 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:08:14 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>
>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
>>>>> average car.
>>>>
>>>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and whining road
>>>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet here you are
>>>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not having any
>>>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one. So guess what
>>>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>>>
>>>> Well played.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named Time's Person
>>> ot Year.
>>
>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person of the
>> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
>> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>>
>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>
> *Still* on the ironic "well played"... Well played to Gumps for not knowing
> what Time's PotY represents.
>
> Here ya go Gumpo! "...a person, group, an idea, or an object that for
> better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the
> year".
>
> Seriously Gumps, give up the snipes and improve everyone's life.
>
>
> alvey
> bye gumps.
>
Gumps departure? What a blessing! Darren next!

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 15/12/2021 7:39 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 15/12/2021 3:54 pm, alvey wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:38:53 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/12/2021 10:32 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:08:14 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
>>>>>>>> average car.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and
>>>>>>> whining road
>>>>>>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet
>>>>>>> here you are
>>>>>>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not
>>>>>>> having any
>>>>>>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one. So
>>>>>>> guess what
>>>>>>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well played.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named
>>>>>> Time's Person
>>>>>> ot Year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person
>>>>> of the
>>>>> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
>>>>> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>>>>
>>>> *Still* on the ironic "well played"... Well played to Gumps for not
>>>> knowing
>>>> what Time's PotY represents.
>>>>
>>>> Here ya go Gumpo! "...a person, group, an idea, or an object that for
>>>> better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of
>>>> the
>>>> year".
>>>>
>>>> Seriously Gumps, give up the snipes and improve everyone's life.
>>>>
>>>> alvey
>>>> bye gumps.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, every time... comes in a swingin' and a missin' and then buggers
>>> off again until the next time he makes a fool of himself.
>>
>> Good old Gumps, he's like a king tide. Highly predictable, and
>> similar in
>> that both leave a smelly mess behind after they retreat...
>
> Oh alvey wearing his big boy pants waits for his team to stand up then
> whimpers a response. The only people making a fool of themselves here
> are those who are so lacking in insight that they are not able to see
> the woods from the trees.

errr... that would be 'woods for the trees' gwumpy

"If someone can't see the wood for the trees in British English, or
can't see the forest for the trees in American English, they are very
involved in the details of something and so they do not notice what is
important about the thing as a whole."

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/cant-see-the-wood-for-the-trees

poor old gwumpy makes a dick of himself every time he posts

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On 15/12/2021 5:38 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 15/12/21 3:29 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> So he bought himself a white Triton GLS and with luck he'll pick it up
>> next week. They're an excellent ute for the money, and so much so that
>> I'm detailing up the Navara to trade it in on one myself :)
>>
>
> I've read good things about the current model Triton, seems like
> Mitsubishi have lifted their game somewhat.

They have indeed.

Mitsubishi have always made decent commercials in my opinion, and the
current Triton is a *very* good drive for the money. It's not the best
thing in the crew cab ute market, but it's also *far* from the worst and
in relatively recent testing it gives a lot of more expensive utes a run
for their money.

Check this vids out:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1H0icPvl_U

Love the Tofu test. Should be standard on every model :)

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 15/12/21 2:25 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 15/12/21 1:13 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 15/12/2021 11:05 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 14/12/21 10:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>>> What surprised me was that as soon as I lifted my foot off the
>>>>> brake the car started to move without touching the accelerator,
>>>>> don't know why it does that since the motor shouldn't be turning.
>>>>
>>>> That seems odd. It's not like it has a running engine driving a
>>>> torque converter.
>>>
>>> It was weird, only reason I can think of is that maybe Hyundai wanted
>>> it to drive like a normal car.
>>
>> That's a good point. Maybe their tests showed people were more
>> comfortable with that level of "throttle off creep" in terms of it
>> giving owners the sense that everything was working properly and
>> avoiding people stabbing the throttle to see if the engine is still
>> turned on with potentially disastrous consequences.
>>
>>> One thing I forget to mention is the regenerative braking, in normal
>>> driving you barely have to touch the brake pedal, how far you lift
>>> off the accel pedal determines how much it brakes, list right off and
>>> it brakes quite firmly although I was told that the aggressiveness of
>>> the regen braking is adjustable.
>>
>> Just like a golf cart :)
>>
>>> It would take a bit of getting used to because it brakes even when
>>> you just want to coast, I suspect after a while you would learn to
>>> balance the accel pedal to get it to do what you wanted.
>>
>> It would seem strange applying throttle to run down hill....
>
> Very strange indeed, the car felt quite different but it shouldn't be
> too difficult to get used to.

It felt different because it *is different*, FFS. An electric motor,
with ~100% torque at stall *AND* regenerative braking, is always going
to be a very different drive compared to a ICE powered car with a
*narrow* power band and SFA torque at stall.

<snipped further drivel>

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 15/12/21 3:29 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 15/12/2021 2:25 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 15/12/21 1:13 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> They've come a long way but they're still niche, and it's the "niche"
>>> that costs. Still, manufacturers aren't above sticking it to people
>>> when it suits them. Look at Toyota. Ask them how much they're selling
>>> current stocks of SR5 hiluxes for at the moment compared to what they
>>> were 18 months ago :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Seems that supply and demand has increased prices especially Toyota.
>
> Very much so.
>
>> Chris who drives the Kona ordered a new RAV 4 Hybrid for his wife, it
>> was ordered mid 2021 and its expected delivery date is Feb 2022, they
>> used to sell for mid $40,000's now its closer to $53,000.
>> Not a good time to be buying a new car.
>
> Depends what you're buying.
>
> I took a mate out on Monday morning to look at dual cab utes, and he had
> narrowed his choices down to 3 vehicles: The Mazda BT-50, the Isuzu
> D-Maz and the Mitsubishi Triton. Actually you could make it 4 vehicles
> as we looked at the Chinese LDV T60, but only because there is an LDV
> showroom right across the road from Alan Mance Mitsubishi/Nissan in Melton.
>
> The LDV was crossed off the list after a quick drive, for as cheap as it
> was it had a "not quite right" feel about it and there was some concern
> about durability. The buddy had already done his homework and wasn't
> interested in a Toyota, Ford or Volkswagen, and the Mazda was the least
> likely of his choices given that he didn't like the interior.
>
> That left the D-Max and the Triton, and the *clear* winner was the Triton.
>
> The Triton tested was the mid spec GLS which runs out at about 49 grand,
> and for that price it comes with an impressive amount of kit including
> an excellent 4WD system. It rode very well, the engine was very
> responsive, the 6 speed auto seemed very well suited to it, it was
> quiet, had great seats and was just an all round decent car for the money.
>
> By comparison the D-max wasn't that great. It's engine was quite noisy
> and gave fairly lacklustre performance unless you stood on it really
> hard, the auto couldn't decide what gear it wasn't to be in which was
> strange considering that the auto in question is the exact same unit as
> used in the Triton and Hilux, the ride was choppy and had a fair bit of

Assuming you meant "what gear it wanted to be in", you obviously don't
realise that the different connected engines in those marques have
entirely different torque characteristics. When the trans OEM sends the
trans off to vehicle assembly plant it will either have different trans
ECM programming or the vehicle OEM will custom roll their own ECM
programming. Lots of opportunity to get shift feel wrong there. And they
do. So, to contradict you here, the trans in question is *not* the exact
same unit. It might look the same but internally there will be
differences, especially in the programming.

> suspension noise, and it just felt like it was a *long* way behind the
> Mitsubishi in terms of overall performance. In it's favour, the D-max
> had a significantly better interior layout with lots of storage cubby
> holes and the seats were a little more comfortable, but the central
> display unit wasn't as nice and it felt a bit "cheaper" than the Mitsu
> which was a surprise given that for the same spec model the D-max is
> almost 10 grand dearer.
>
> So he bought himself a white Triton GLS and with luck he'll pick it up
> next week. They're an excellent ute for the money, and so much so that
> I'm detailing up the Navara to trade it in on one myself :)

Glad to see you've learnt that Navaras are a heap of shit.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 15/12/21 5:45 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 15/12/21 3:14 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 15/12/2021 2:23 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 15 December 2021 at 13:14:04 UTC+11, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> They've come a long way but they're still niche, and it's the "niche"
>>>> that costs. Still, manufacturers aren't above sticking it to people
>>>> when
>>>> it suits them. Look at Toyota. Ask them how much they're selling
>>>> current
>>>> stocks of SR5 hiluxes for at the moment compared to what they were 18
>>>> months ago :)
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>   Supply and demand.
>>
>> That's one way of looking at it. Price gouging is another. All
>> manufacturers do it, but Toyota do it better than most :)
>>
>>
> A few years ago I asked one of the owners of Melton Toyota why they
> don't discount Hilux's, she replied "we can sell as many as we can get
> our hands on at RRP so why would we discount".
> From a business owners point of view that comment is difficult to argue
> with, with the current lack of supply they seem to getting away with
> charging whatever they like.
>
Had you learnt good business principles, you would have had a viable
business to sell when you decided to retire. Given your lack of business
acumen, you sold a worthless business for a loss and now require the OAP
to survive. Well done Mr Businessman!

Hint, best you don't mention business smarts, makes you look a dick.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 15/12/21 6:45 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 15/12/2021 12:29 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 15/12/2021 2:25 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 15/12/21 1:13 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> They've come a long way but they're still niche, and it's the
>>>> "niche" that costs. Still, manufacturers aren't above sticking it to
>>>> people when it suits them. Look at Toyota. Ask them how much they're
>>>> selling current stocks of SR5 hiluxes for at the moment compared to
>>>> what they were 18 months ago :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Seems that supply and demand has increased prices especially Toyota.
>>
>> Very much so.
>>
>>> Chris who drives the Kona ordered a new RAV 4 Hybrid for his wife, it
>>> was ordered mid 2021 and its expected delivery date is Feb 2022, they
>>> used to sell for mid $40,000's now its closer to $53,000.
>>> Not a good time to be buying a new car.
>>
>> Depends what you're buying.
>>
>> I took a mate out on Monday morning
>
> Bullshit alert!
>
> <snip lies>
>
Darren posts, automatic bullshit alert.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 15/12/21 7:39 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 15/12/2021 3:54 pm, alvey wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:38:53 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/12/2021 10:32 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:08:14 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
>>>>>>>> average car.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and
>>>>>>> whining road
>>>>>>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet here
>>>>>>> you are
>>>>>>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not
>>>>>>> having any
>>>>>>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one. So
>>>>>>> guess what
>>>>>>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well played.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named
>>>>>> Time's Person
>>>>>> ot Year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person of
>>>>> the
>>>>> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
>>>>> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>>>>
>>>> *Still* on the ironic "well played"... Well played to Gumps for not
>>>> knowing
>>>> what Time's PotY represents.
>>>>
>>>> Here ya go Gumpo! "...a person, group, an idea, or an object that for
>>>> better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the
>>>> year".
>>>>
>>>> Seriously Gumps, give up the snipes and improve everyone's life.
>>>>
>>>> alvey
>>>> bye gumps.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, every time... comes in a swingin' and a missin' and then buggers
>>> off again until the next time he makes a fool of himself.
>>
>> Good old Gumps, he's like a king tide. Highly predictable, and similar in
>> that both leave a smelly mess behind after they retreat...
>
> Oh alvey wearing his big boy pants waits for his team to stand up then
> whimpers a response. The only people making a fool of themselves here
> are those who are so lacking in insight that they are not able to see
> the woods from the trees. Think those who spend hours each day
> responding to posts knowing that the person they are responding to does
> not give a rats. What a bunch of fools.
>
You do! Darren does! Thanks for your interest.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 15/12/2021 7:01 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 15/12/21 2:25 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 15/12/21 1:13 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 15/12/2021 11:05 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 14/12/21 10:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> What surprised me was that as soon as I lifted my foot off the
>>>>>> brake the car started to move without touching the accelerator,
>>>>>> don't know why it does that since the motor shouldn't be turning.
>>>>>
>>>>> That seems odd. It's not like it has a running engine driving a
>>>>> torque converter.
>>>>
>>>> It was weird, only reason I can think of is that maybe Hyundai
>>>> wanted it to drive like a normal car.
>>>
>>> That's a good point. Maybe their tests showed people were more
>>> comfortable with that level of "throttle off creep" in terms of it
>>> giving owners the sense that everything was working properly and
>>> avoiding people stabbing the throttle to see if the engine is still
>>> turned on with potentially disastrous consequences.
>>>
>>>> One thing I forget to mention is the regenerative braking, in normal
>>>> driving you barely have to touch the brake pedal, how far you lift
>>>> off the accel pedal determines how much it brakes, list right off
>>>> and it brakes quite firmly although I was told that the
>>>> aggressiveness of the regen braking is adjustable.
>>>
>>> Just like a golf cart :)
>>>
>>>> It would take a bit of getting used to because it brakes even when
>>>> you just want to coast, I suspect after a while you would learn to
>>>> balance the accel pedal to get it to do what you wanted.
>>>
>>> It would seem strange applying throttle to run down hill....
>>
>> Very strange indeed, the car felt quite different but it shouldn't be
>> too difficult to get used to.
>
> It felt different because it *is different*, FFS. An electric motor,
> with ~100% torque at stall *AND* regenerative braking, is always going
> to be a very different drive compared to a ICE powered car with a
> *narrow* power band and SFA torque at stall.
>
>
> <snipped further drivel>
>
>

Dumb and Dumber... the dunny cleaner and the fraud - what a pair of dimwits!

On 15/12/2021 10:18 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 15/12/21 5:45 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 15/12/21 3:14 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 15/12/2021 2:23 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, 15 December 2021 at 13:14:04 UTC+11, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> They've come a long way but they're still niche, and it's the "niche"
>>>>> that costs. Still, manufacturers aren't above sticking it to
>>>>> people when
>>>>> it suits them. Look at Toyota. Ask them how much they're selling
>>>>> current
>>>>> stocks of SR5 hiluxes for at the moment compared to what they were 18
>>>>> months ago :)
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>   Supply and demand.
>>>
>>> That's one way of looking at it. Price gouging is another. All
>>> manufacturers do it, but Toyota do it better than most :)
>>>
>>>
>> A few years ago I asked one of the owners of Melton Toyota why they
>> don't discount Hilux's, she replied "we can sell as many as we can
>> get our hands on at RRP so why would we discount".
>>  From a business owners point of view that comment is difficult to
>> argue with, with the current lack of supply they seem to getting away
>> with charging whatever they like.
>>
> Had you learnt good business principles, you would have had a viable
> business to sell when you decided to retire. Given your lack of
> business acumen, you sold a worthless business for a loss and now
> require the OAP to survive. Well done Mr Businessman!
>
> Hint, best you don't mention business smarts, makes you look a dick.
>

price has always been determined by supply and demand. I hear the price
of adblue has skyrocketed.

--
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the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster

On 15/12/2021 10:18 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 15/12/21 6:45 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 15/12/2021 12:29 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 15/12/2021 2:25 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 15/12/21 1:13 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> They've come a long way but they're still niche, and it's the
>>>>> "niche" that costs. Still, manufacturers aren't above sticking it
>>>>> to people when it suits them. Look at Toyota. Ask them how much
>>>>> they're selling current stocks of SR5 hiluxes for at the moment
>>>>> compared to what they were 18 months ago :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Seems that supply and demand has increased prices especially Toyota.
>>>
>>> Very much so.
>>>
>>>> Chris who drives the Kona ordered a new RAV 4 Hybrid for his wife,
>>>> it was ordered mid 2021 and its expected delivery date is Feb 2022,
>>>> they used to sell for mid $40,000's now its closer to $53,000.
>>>> Not a good time to be buying a new car.
>>>
>>> Depends what you're buying.
>>>
>>> I took a mate out on Monday morning
>>
>> Bullshit alert!
>>
>> <snip lies>
>>
> Darren posts, automatic bullshit alert.
>

I hear Google in considering adding a BS icon to his posts  :)

--
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the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster

On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 18:39:59 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:

> On 15/12/2021 3:54 pm, alvey wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:38:53 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/12/2021 10:32 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:08:14 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
>>>>>>>> average car.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and whining road
>>>>>>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet here you are
>>>>>>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not having any
>>>>>>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one. So guess what
>>>>>>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well played.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named Time's Person
>>>>>> ot Year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person of the
>>>>> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
>>>>> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>>>>
>>>> *Still* on the ironic "well played"... Well played to Gumps for not knowing
>>>> what Time's PotY represents.
>>>>
>>>> Here ya go Gumpo! "...a person, group, an idea, or an object that for
>>>> better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the
>>>> year".
>>>>
>>>> Seriously Gumps, give up the snipes and improve everyone's life.
>>>>
>>>> alvey
>>>> bye gumps.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, every time... comes in a swingin' and a missin' and then buggers
>>> off again until the next time he makes a fool of himself.
>>
>> Good old Gumps, he's like a king tide. Highly predictable, and similar in
>> that both leave a smelly mess behind after they retreat...
>
> Oh alvey wearing his big boy pants waits for his team to stand up then
> whimpers a response. The only people making a fool of themselves here
> are those who are so lacking in insight that they are not able to see
> the woods from the trees.

I sure can see the Forrest Gumps...

> Think those who spend hours each day
> responding to posts knowing that the person they are responding to does
> not give a rats.

Really Gumps? The Fraudster continually sniping from behind his mighty
(snigger) killfail says otherwise. And then there's the instances where the
idiot has replied directly to someone about whom he has brayed, "he's in my
KF". Or he's on his "lappy", (an expression used exclusively by knobs),
which convieniently hasn't been 'updated'. etc etc etc
> What a bunch of fools.

Hey Gumps, I'm suffering slightly from an excess of Grigio and could use a
larf. Would you mind reposting the reason why you support the hypocritical,
abusive, lying fraud from Bumhole (Vic)?

cheers

alvey

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On 15/12/21 8:30 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 15/12/2021 5:45 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 15/12/21 3:14 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> That's one way of looking at it. Price gouging is another. All
>>> manufacturers do it, but Toyota do it better than most :)
>>>
>>>
>> A few years ago I asked one of the owners of Melton Toyota why they
>> don't discount Hilux's, she replied "we can sell as many as we can get
>> our hands on at RRP so why would we discount".
>>  From a business owners point of view that comment is difficult to
>> argue with, with the current lack of supply they seem to getting away
>> with charging whatever they like.
>
> Which is a crap business policy if you ask me. Shows you how little they
> think of their customers :)
>
>
>
Yet the customers keep going there, I would assume that if they could
get a better price and better service they would go elsewhere.

--
Daryl

On 15/12/21 9:08 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 15/12/2021 5:38 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 15/12/21 3:29 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> So he bought himself a white Triton GLS and with luck he'll pick it
>>> up next week. They're an excellent ute for the money, and so much so
>>> that I'm detailing up the Navara to trade it in on one myself :)
>>>
>>
>> I've read good things about the current model Triton, seems like
>> Mitsubishi have lifted their game somewhat.
>
> They have indeed.
>
> Mitsubishi have always made decent commercials in my opinion, and the
> current Triton is a *very* good drive for the money. It's not the best
> thing in the crew cab ute market, but it's also *far* from the worst and
> in relatively recent testing it gives a lot of more expensive utes a run
> for their money.
>
> Check this vids out:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1H0icPvl_U
>
> Love the Tofu test. Should be standard on every model :)
>
>
>
>
>
A bizarre Mitsubishi ad?
I can't see who made that vid but my moneys on Mitsubishi.
I don't get why they compare on road performance such as a drag race,
its irrelevant, brake test is about the only test that was of any value.

--
Daryl

On 16/12/2021 7:55 am, alvey wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 18:39:59 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>
>> On 15/12/2021 3:54 pm, alvey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:38:53 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 15/12/2021 10:32 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:08:14 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
>>>>>>>>> average car.
>>>>>>>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and whining road
>>>>>>>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet here you are
>>>>>>>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not having any
>>>>>>>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one. So guess what
>>>>>>>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well played.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named Time's Person
>>>>>>> ot Year.
>>>>>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person of the
>>>>>> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
>>>>>> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>>>>> *Still* on the ironic "well played"... Well played to Gumps for not knowing
>>>>> what Time's PotY represents.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here ya go Gumpo! "...a person, group, an idea, or an object that for
>>>>> better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the
>>>>> year".
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously Gumps, give up the snipes and improve everyone's life.
>>>>>
>>>>> alvey
>>>>> bye gumps.
>>>>>
>>>> Yep, every time... comes in a swingin' and a missin' and then buggers
>>>> off again until the next time he makes a fool of himself.
>>> Good old Gumps, he's like a king tide. Highly predictable, and similar in
>>> that both leave a smelly mess behind after they retreat...
>> Oh alvey wearing his big boy pants waits for his team to stand up then
>> whimpers a response. The only people making a fool of themselves here
>> are those who are so lacking in insight that they are not able to see
>> the woods from the trees.
> I sure can see the Forrest Gumps...
>
>> Think those who spend hours each day
>> responding to posts knowing that the person they are responding to does
>> not give a rats.
> Really Gumps? The Fraudster continually sniping from behind his mighty
> (snigger) killfail says otherwise. And then there's the instances where the
> idiot has replied directly to someone about whom he has brayed, "he's in my
> KF". Or he's on his "lappy", (an expression used exclusively by knobs),
> which convieniently hasn't been 'updated'. etc etc etc
>
>> What a bunch of fools.
> Hey Gumps, I'm suffering slightly from an excess of Grigio and could use a
> larf. Would you mind reposting the reason why you support the hypocritical,
> abusive, lying fraud from Bumhole (Vic)?

he's desperate for friends?  :)

>
> cheers
>
>
> alvey
>
>
>
>

--
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the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster

On 16/12/21 11:19 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 16/12/2021 7:55 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 18:39:59 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/12/2021 3:54 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:38:53 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/12/2021 10:32 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:08:14 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a
>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>> average car.
>>>>>>>>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and
>>>>>>>>> whining road
>>>>>>>>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet
>>>>>>>>> here you are
>>>>>>>>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not
>>>>>>>>> having any
>>>>>>>>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one. So
>>>>>>>>> guess what
>>>>>>>>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well played.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named
>>>>>>>> Time's Person
>>>>>>>> ot Year.
>>>>>>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
>>>>>>> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>>>>>> *Still* on the ironic "well played"... Well played to Gumps for
>>>>>> not knowing
>>>>>> what Time's PotY represents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here ya go Gumpo! "...a person, group, an idea, or an object that for
>>>>>> better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> year".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seriously Gumps, give up the snipes and improve everyone's life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> alvey
>>>>>> bye gumps.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, every time... comes in a swingin' and a missin' and then buggers
>>>>> off again until the next time he makes a fool of himself.
>>>> Good old Gumps, he's like a king tide. Highly predictable, and
>>>> similar in
>>>> that both leave a smelly mess behind after they retreat...
>>> Oh alvey wearing his big boy pants waits for his team to stand up then
>>> whimpers a response. The only people making a fool of themselves here
>>> are those who are so lacking in insight that they are not able to see
>>> the woods from the trees.
>> I sure can see the Forrest Gumps...
>>
>>> Think those who spend hours each day
>>> responding to posts knowing that the person they are responding to does
>>> not give a rats.
>> Really Gumps? The Fraudster continually sniping from behind his mighty
>> (snigger) killfail says otherwise. And then there's the instances
>> where the
>> idiot has replied directly to someone about whom he has brayed, "he's
>> in my
>> KF". Or he's on his "lappy", (an expression used exclusively by knobs),
>> which convieniently hasn't been 'updated'. etc etc etc
>>> What a bunch of fools.
>> Hey Gumps, I'm suffering slightly from an excess of Grigio and could
>> use a
>> larf. Would you mind reposting the reason why you support the
>> hypocritical,
>> abusive, lying fraud from Bumhole (Vic)?
>
>
> he's desperate for friends?  :)
>

By George, I think you've nailed it!

--
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 16/12/2021 8:19 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 16/12/2021 7:55 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 18:39:59 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/12/2021 3:54 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:38:53 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/12/2021 10:32 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:08:14 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a
>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>> average car.
>>>>>>>>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and
>>>>>>>>> whining road
>>>>>>>>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet
>>>>>>>>> here you are
>>>>>>>>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not
>>>>>>>>> having any
>>>>>>>>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one. So
>>>>>>>>> guess what
>>>>>>>>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well played.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named
>>>>>>>> Time's Person
>>>>>>>> ot Year.
>>>>>>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
>>>>>>> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>>>>>> *Still* on the ironic "well played"... Well played to Gumps for
>>>>>> not knowing
>>>>>> what Time's PotY represents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here ya go Gumpo! "...a person, group, an idea, or an object that for
>>>>>> better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> year".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seriously Gumps, give up the snipes and improve everyone's life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> alvey
>>>>>> bye gumps.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, every time... comes in a swingin' and a missin' and then buggers
>>>>> off again until the next time he makes a fool of himself.
>>>> Good old Gumps, he's like a king tide. Highly predictable, and
>>>> similar in
>>>> that both leave a smelly mess behind after they retreat...
>>> Oh alvey wearing his big boy pants waits for his team to stand up then
>>> whimpers a response. The only people making a fool of themselves here
>>> are those who are so lacking in insight that they are not able to see
>>> the woods from the trees.
>> I sure can see the Forrest Gumps...
>>
>>> Think those who spend hours each day
>>> responding to posts knowing that the person they are responding to does
>>> not give a rats.
>> Really Gumps? The Fraudster continually sniping from behind his mighty
>> (snigger) killfail says otherwise. And then there's the instances
>> where the
>> idiot has replied directly to someone about whom he has brayed, "he's
>> in my
>> KF". Or he's on his "lappy", (an expression used exclusively by knobs),
>> which convieniently hasn't been 'updated'. etc etc etc
>>> What a bunch of fools.
>> Hey Gumps, I'm suffering slightly from an excess of Grigio and could
>> use a
>> larf. Would you mind reposting the reason why you support the
>> hypocritical,
>> abusive, lying fraud from Bumhole (Vic)?
>
>
> he's desperate for friends?  :)
>
>
>

He should never to be considered a friend by anyone, ever, at any time.
He's proved himself to be completely untrustworthy.

Narcissist Derro knows what he is like and is only posturing friendship
out of desperation for numbers in here.

On 16/12/2021 6:55 am, alvey wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 18:39:59 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>
>> On 15/12/2021 3:54 pm, alvey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:38:53 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 15/12/2021 10:32 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:08:14 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
>>>>>>>>> average car.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and whining road
>>>>>>>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet here you are
>>>>>>>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not having any
>>>>>>>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one. So guess what
>>>>>>>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well played.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named Time's Person
>>>>>>> ot Year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person of the
>>>>>> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
>>>>>> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>>>>>
>>>>> *Still* on the ironic "well played"... Well played to Gumps for not knowing
>>>>> what Time's PotY represents.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here ya go Gumpo! "...a person, group, an idea, or an object that for
>>>>> better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the
>>>>> year".
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously Gumps, give up the snipes and improve everyone's life.
>>>>>
>>>>> alvey
>>>>> bye gumps.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yep, every time... comes in a swingin' and a missin' and then buggers
>>>> off again until the next time he makes a fool of himself.
>>>
>>> Good old Gumps, he's like a king tide. Highly predictable, and similar in
>>> that both leave a smelly mess behind after they retreat...
>>
>> Oh alvey wearing his big boy pants waits for his team to stand up then
>> whimpers a response. The only people making a fool of themselves here
>> are those who are so lacking in insight that they are not able to see
>> the woods from the trees.
>
> I sure can see the Forrest Gumps...
>
>> Think those who spend hours each day
>> responding to posts knowing that the person they are responding to does
>> not give a rats.
>
> Really Gumps? The Fraudster continually sniping from behind his mighty
> (snigger) killfail says otherwise. And then there's the instances where the
> idiot has replied directly to someone about whom he has brayed, "he's in my
> KF". Or he's on his "lappy", (an expression used exclusively by knobs),
> which convieniently hasn't been 'updated'. etc etc etc
>
>> What a bunch of fools.
>
> Hey Gumps, I'm suffering slightly from an excess of Grigio and could use a
> larf. Would you mind reposting the reason why you support the hypocritical,
> abusive, lying fraud from Bumhole (Vic)?

I see you called down the baying hounds. Such a pity all you got was a
heap of pussies. The pack mentality that exists in the flc is what I
object to more than anything else. You're all a bunch of moronic losers
with little better to do than hunt in a pack however you are hamstrung
in that fact that the only weapons you have are feather dusters.

On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 11:07:59 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:

> On 16/12/2021 6:55 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 18:39:59 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/12/2021 3:54 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:38:53 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/12/2021 10:32 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:08:14 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
>>>>>>>>>> average car.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and whining road
>>>>>>>>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet here you are
>>>>>>>>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not having any
>>>>>>>>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one. So guess what
>>>>>>>>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well played.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named Time's Person
>>>>>>>> ot Year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person of the
>>>>>>> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
>>>>>>> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Still* on the ironic "well played"... Well played to Gumps for not knowing
>>>>>> what Time's PotY represents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here ya go Gumpo! "...a person, group, an idea, or an object that for
>>>>>> better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the
>>>>>> year".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seriously Gumps, give up the snipes and improve everyone's life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> alvey
>>>>>> bye gumps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, every time... comes in a swingin' and a missin' and then buggers
>>>>> off again until the next time he makes a fool of himself.
>>>>
>>>> Good old Gumps, he's like a king tide. Highly predictable, and similar in
>>>> that both leave a smelly mess behind after they retreat...
>>>
>>> Oh alvey wearing his big boy pants waits for his team to stand up then
>>> whimpers a response. The only people making a fool of themselves here
>>> are those who are so lacking in insight that they are not able to see
>>> the woods from the trees.
>>
>> I sure can see the Forrest Gumps...
>>
>>> Think those who spend hours each day
>>> responding to posts knowing that the person they are responding to does
>>> not give a rats.
>>
>> Really Gumps? The Fraudster continually sniping from behind his mighty
>> (snigger) killfail says otherwise. And then there's the instances where the
>> idiot has replied directly to someone about whom he has brayed, "he's in my
>> KF". Or he's on his "lappy", (an expression used exclusively by knobs),
>> which convieniently hasn't been 'updated'. etc etc etc
>>
>>> What a bunch of fools.
>>
>> Hey Gumps, I'm suffering slightly from an excess of Grigio and could use a
>> larf. Would you mind reposting the reason why you support the hypocritical,
>> abusive, lying fraud from Bumhole (Vic)?
>
> I see you called down the baying hounds. Such a pity all you got was a
> heap of pussies. The pack mentality that exists in the flc is what I
> object to more than anything else. You're all a bunch of moronic losers
> with little better to do than hunt in a pack however you are hamstrung
> in that fact that the only weapons you have are feather dusters.

Devestating stuff Gumps. Now, for Reality.

This "pack mentality", which you believe is so unjust and is the reason why
you support The Fraudster, has it ever occurred to you that;

a) the root of all evil is due to your stupid little mate baselessly
abusing so many people?
b) that you're in a pack yourself.
c) That, according to your distaste of "pack mentality", then you should be
supporting every loony dictator on the planet. All those poor blokes like
Kim Jong-un & Putin being ganged up on by so many other leaders. It's
disgraceful.

Oty Gumps.

alvey

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On 16/12/2021 10:03 am, alvey wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 11:07:59 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>
>> On 16/12/2021 6:55 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 18:39:59 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 15/12/2021 3:54 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:38:53 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/12/2021 10:32 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:08:14 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
>>>>>>>>>>> average car.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and whining road
>>>>>>>>>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet here you are
>>>>>>>>>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not having any
>>>>>>>>>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one. So guess what
>>>>>>>>>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well played.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named Time's Person
>>>>>>>>> ot Year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person of the
>>>>>>>> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
>>>>>>>> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Still* on the ironic "well played"... Well played to Gumps for not knowing
>>>>>>> what Time's PotY represents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here ya go Gumpo! "...a person, group, an idea, or an object that for
>>>>>>> better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the
>>>>>>> year".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seriously Gumps, give up the snipes and improve everyone's life.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> alvey
>>>>>>> bye gumps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, every time... comes in a swingin' and a missin' and then buggers
>>>>>> off again until the next time he makes a fool of himself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good old Gumps, he's like a king tide. Highly predictable, and similar in
>>>>> that both leave a smelly mess behind after they retreat...
>>>>
>>>> Oh alvey wearing his big boy pants waits for his team to stand up then
>>>> whimpers a response. The only people making a fool of themselves here
>>>> are those who are so lacking in insight that they are not able to see
>>>> the woods from the trees.
>>>
>>> I sure can see the Forrest Gumps...
>>>
>>>> Think those who spend hours each day
>>>> responding to posts knowing that the person they are responding to does
>>>> not give a rats.
>>>
>>> Really Gumps? The Fraudster continually sniping from behind his mighty
>>> (snigger) killfail says otherwise. And then there's the instances where the
>>> idiot has replied directly to someone about whom he has brayed, "he's in my
>>> KF". Or he's on his "lappy", (an expression used exclusively by knobs),
>>> which convieniently hasn't been 'updated'. etc etc etc
>>>
>>>> What a bunch of fools.
>>>
>>> Hey Gumps, I'm suffering slightly from an excess of Grigio and could use a
>>> larf. Would you mind reposting the reason why you support the hypocritical,
>>> abusive, lying fraud from Bumhole (Vic)?
>>
>> I see you called down the baying hounds. Such a pity all you got was a
>> heap of pussies. The pack mentality that exists in the flc is what I
>> object to more than anything else. You're all a bunch of moronic losers
>> with little better to do than hunt in a pack however you are hamstrung
>> in that fact that the only weapons you have are feather dusters.
>
> Devestating stuff Gumps. Now, for Reality.
>
> This "pack mentality", which you believe is so unjust and is the reason why
> you support The Fraudster, has it ever occurred to you that;
>
> a) the root of all evil is due to your stupid little mate baselessly
> abusing so many people?
> b) that you're in a pack yourself.
> c) That, according to your distaste of "pack mentality", then you should be
> supporting every loony dictator on the planet. All those poor blokes like
> Kim Jong-un & Putin being ganged up on by so many other leaders. It's
> disgraceful.
>
> Oty Gumps.
>
>
> alvey
>
>
>

That someone so morally vacuous, abusive and untrustworthy as the gump
tries to paint himself as the victim... now that's a laugh.