On 16/12/21 10:12 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 16/12/2021 5:50 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 16/12/2021 2:41 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>
>>>   Yeah, and they may as well not bother!.
>>>           One only has to read the O/P to know *exactly* how each of
>>> them will reply. 'There`s nothing new under the sun' <FBG>
>>> d
>>> O/P
>>
>> They certainly hunt in a pack. Bunch of grubs. Abuse and accuse others
>> of all sorts of things but they are squeaky clean... It's fun to
>> occasionally pull their chains.
>
> As I've said, they carry on like 10 year olds in a tree house. That's
> about the limit of their mentality.

You're the 10 year old in the tree house Darren. After all, you are the
one living the *imaginary life*. Remember, the life where you pretend to
be a motor mechanic and run a garage - all in your imagination. Prove me
wrong Darren, it should be a doddle for you to do that *if* you're
qualified as you *claim*. Of course, I *know* you aren't but, hey, do
your darnedest!
>
>
>

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On 16/12/21 10:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 16/12/2021 3:28 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 15 December 2021 at 15:14:30 UTC+11, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 15/12/2021 2:23 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, 15 December 2021 at 13:14:04 UTC+11, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> They've come a long way but they're still niche, and it's the "niche"
>>>>> that costs. Still, manufacturers aren't above sticking it to people
>>>>> when
>>>>> it suits them. Look at Toyota. Ask them how much they're selling
>>>>> current
>>>>> stocks of SR5 hiluxes for at the moment compared to what they were 18
>>>>> months ago :)
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> Supply and demand.
>>> That's one way of looking at it. Price gouging is another. All
>>> manufacturers do it, but Toyota do it better than most :)
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>> Price gouging?,
>
> That's what it's called. When prices are set to take advantage of
> particular circumstances for no reason other than to profit from the
> experience.
>
>> Only stupids that don`t do their homework fall for that.
>
> In some cases, but not all. There is nowhere at the moment to buy a
> cheap Toyota, as it's Toyota *themselves* who are doing the gouging.
>
>> I would walk away. That applies to (nearly) *everything* for me. if
>> more ppl voted with their feet in those situations it would not
>> occur!. (Fuck all chance of that tho. :( )
>
> This is true, but then the world is full of retards like Clasener who
> would pay the "gouging tax" for a Toyota because he's one of the
> imbecilic sheep who thinks it's a good idea.

Hey, I really *am* getting under your skin, aren't I?
>
> Which is *exactly* the kind of fucked up brain dead mentality you would
> expect from someone who has zero trade relevance and hasn't done for
> over 25 years :)

I was trade relevant from the day I commenced my apprenticeship and it's
not something you lose. You, on the other hand, have never been trade
relevant (couldn't even get an apprenticeship) hence your desperate need
to invent your qualifications and business ownership. Sorry Darren, your
imagination won't earn you any trade relevance and neither will all the
bullshit and lies you can muster. You're a sad little loser, always have
been, always will be.

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On 16/12/21 2:01 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 16/12/2021 11:03 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 15/12/21 9:08 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 15/12/2021 5:38 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 15/12/21 3:29 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> So he bought himself a white Triton GLS and with luck he'll pick it
>>>>> up next week. They're an excellent ute for the money, and so much
>>>>> so that I'm detailing up the Navara to trade it in on one myself :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've read good things about the current model Triton, seems like
>>>> Mitsubishi have lifted their game somewhat.
>>>
>>> They have indeed.
>>>
>>> Mitsubishi have always made decent commercials in my opinion, and the
>>> current Triton is a *very* good drive for the money. It's not the
>>> best thing in the crew cab ute market, but it's also *far* from the
>>> worst and in relatively recent testing it gives a lot of more
>>> expensive utes a run for their money.
>>>
>>> Check this vids out:
>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1H0icPvl_U
>>>
>>> Love the Tofu test. Should be standard on every model :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> A bizarre Mitsubishi ad?
>> I can't see who made that vid but my moneys on Mitsubishi.
>
> Yeah, I don't know. There's a few made by these people and Mitsubishi
> doesn't come out on top in all of them :)
>
>> I don't get why they compare on road performance such as a drag race,
>> its irrelevant, brake test is about the only test that was of any value.
>
> I thought it was interesting to see the differences between them given
> the fact that the Toyota attracts a price premium of just over 10
> thousand bucks for the similar specced model.
>
>
>
For some reason Triton has always been by far the cheapest Japanese ute,
not that long ago if they weren't cheap they wouldn't have sold many
mostly because they had a poor reliability reputation but it looks like
they have improved.
My experience with Hilux brakes is that they last a lot of kms before
they need replacing, on the 2003 I owned the front pads lasted well over
100,000km as did the pads on the 2009 I also owned, it would be easy to
reduce braking distance by fitting different pads but it seems to be a
Toyota design criteria that longevity is more important than
performance, even the OE Bridgestone tyres last 80,000+ kms, bugger all
grip in the wet but they just don't wear out.
Could also be why they don't wring every last KW out of their engines,
reduced stress should increase longevity.
Youngest son just bought an FJ Cruiser, 4.0lt V6 petrol with 200kw, same
4.0lt engine in a Hilux puts out about 150kw.
The above is possibly why the Hilux is so popular with business buyers,
they take the abuse and last because they aren't stressed, my son has 2
basic Hiluxes, great for the workers to use and abuse but he doesn't
drive one himself.

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On 16/12/21 11:08 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 16/12/21 2:01 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 16/12/2021 11:03 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 15/12/21 9:08 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 15/12/2021 5:38 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 15/12/21 3:29 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> So he bought himself a white Triton GLS and with luck he'll pick
>>>>>> it up next week. They're an excellent ute for the money, and so
>>>>>> much so that I'm detailing up the Navara to trade it in on one
>>>>>> myself :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've read good things about the current model Triton, seems like
>>>>> Mitsubishi have lifted their game somewhat.
>>>>
>>>> They have indeed.
>>>>
>>>> Mitsubishi have always made decent commercials in my opinion, and
>>>> the current Triton is a *very* good drive for the money. It's not
>>>> the best thing in the crew cab ute market, but it's also *far* from
>>>> the worst and in relatively recent testing it gives a lot of more
>>>> expensive utes a run for their money.
>>>>
>>>> Check this vids out:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1H0icPvl_U
>>>>
>>>> Love the Tofu test. Should be standard on every model :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> A bizarre Mitsubishi ad?
>>> I can't see who made that vid but my moneys on Mitsubishi.
>>
>> Yeah, I don't know. There's a few made by these people and Mitsubishi
>> doesn't come out on top in all of them :)
>>
>>> I don't get why they compare on road performance such as a drag race,
>>> its irrelevant, brake test is about the only test that was of any value.
>>
>> I thought it was interesting to see the differences between them given
>> the fact that the Toyota attracts a price premium of just over 10
>> thousand bucks for the similar specced model.
>>
>>
>>
> For some reason Triton has always been by far the cheapest Japanese ute,
> not that long ago if they weren't cheap they wouldn't have sold many
> mostly because they had a poor reliability reputation but it looks like
> they have improved.
> My experience with Hilux brakes is that they last a lot of kms before
> they need replacing, on the 2003 I owned the front pads lasted well over
> 100,000km as did the pads on the 2009 I also owned, it would be easy to
> reduce braking distance by fitting different pads but it seems to be a
> Toyota design criteria that longevity is more important than
> performance, even the OE Bridgestone tyres last 80,000+ kms, bugger all
> grip in the wet but they just don't wear out.
> Could also be why they don't wring every last KW out of their engines,
> reduced stress should increase longevity.

The engine is full of compromises so why does the longevity versus power
compromise surprise you? You worked on tractors back in your days in the
trade, did you not? What did you notice about power output and longevity
in tractors? What I noticed was that power output was *restricted* and
quite deliberately so. They could run flat out in a paddock pulling a
load all day long without bustin' their arse. This was generally
achieved by restricting airflow and VE. Just look at the ports and
valves on an old grey Fergie tractor and you'll get the drift - maybe.
It worked but there was no way the tap that locked out power.
Modern cars do the restriction quite differently. The primary manner is
by the way the ECU is programmed. That allows them to access power when
it is least likely to do damage. For instance, limit torque on launch in
the lower gears (torque multiplication, remember?) in order to prevent
drivetrain damage. Allow access to that extra *engine* torque at highway
speeds in the higher gears where trans torque multiplication is limited.
Of course a lot of people put a *tune* into their car. That is, they
reprogram the ECU so that the engine produces more torque (take note
Darren) which leads to more power. The result is more power but
longevity is compromised. There's nothing new under the sun Daryl.

> Youngest son just bought an FJ Cruiser, 4.0lt V6 petrol with 200kw, same
> 4.0lt engine in a Hilux puts out about 150kw.
> The above is possibly why the Hilux is so popular with business buyers,
> they take the abuse and last because they aren't stressed, my son has 2
> basic Hiluxes, great for the workers to use and abuse but he doesn't
> drive one himself.
>
Your son is smart. He didn't get that from his dad.

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On 16/12/2021 11:08 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 16/12/21 2:01 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> I thought it was interesting to see the differences between them given
>> the fact that the Toyota attracts a price premium of just over 10
>> thousand bucks for the similar specced model.
>>
>>
>>
> For some reason Triton has always been by far the cheapest Japanese ute,
> not that long ago if they weren't cheap they wouldn't have sold many
> mostly because they had a poor reliability reputation but it looks like
> they have improved.

I've never known them to be unreliable. They were always pitched at the
"cheap and cheerful" end of the market, but they were pretty solid.
Mitsubishi commercials always have been.

> My experience with Hilux brakes is that they last a lot of kms before
> they need replacing, on the 2003 I owned the front pads lasted well over
> 100,000km as did the pads on the 2009 I also owned, it would be easy to
> reduce braking distance by fitting different pads but it seems to be a
> Toyota design criteria that longevity is more important than
> performance, even the OE Bridgestone tyres last 80,000+ kms, bugger all
> grip in the wet but they just don't wear out.

I don't know if Toyota goes out of their way to make the Hilux not stop
as well as it could and I'm sure their brakes work as well as anything
else. In the video I linked to earlier it showed the stopping distance
to be somewhat longer than that of the Triton, but the Triton is also a
lighter car than the Hilux and that has to be taken into account.

There is another video floating around where all the current utes are
tested for both wet and dry stopping distances and in the wet the Triton
was 4 suburbs longer to stop than anything else on the test which the
testers put down to the absolutely appallingly bad wet weather
performance of it's OEM Dunlop tyres.

> Could also be why they don't wring every last KW out of their engines,
> reduced stress should increase longevity.

I think it's more a case of Toyota just being their uber conservative
selves. Very seldom, if ever, do they lead the pack.

> Youngest son just bought an FJ Cruiser, 4.0lt V6 petrol with 200kw, same
> 4.0lt engine in a Hilux puts out about 150kw.
> The above is possibly why the Hilux is so popular with business buyers,
> they take the abuse and last because they aren't stressed, my son has 2
> basic Hiluxes, great for the workers to use and abuse but he doesn't
> drive one himself.

Despite popular belief, I don't actually have anything against Toyotas.
I just don't believe that they make anything that is as far ahead of the
rest of the field that some people *think* they do. The Hilux is a fine
vehicle, but there is absolutely *nothing* about it that makes it stand
out from the rest of the field, and it is no more or less reliable than
anything else.

Toyota's have their issues like anyone else.

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On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 22:12:40 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 16/12/2021 5:50 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 16/12/2021 2:41 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>
>>>   Yeah, and they may as well not bother!.
>>>           One only has to read the O/P to know *exactly* how each of
>>> them will reply. 'There`s nothing new under the sun' <FBG>
>>> d
>>> O/P
>>
>> They certainly hunt in a pack. Bunch of grubs. Abuse and accuse others
>> of all sorts of things but they are squeaky clean... It's fun to
>> occasionally pull their chains.
>
> As I've said, they carry on like 10 year olds in a tree house.

And as you've been told by many, repeating your inane opinions won't make
them any truer. *Facts* otoh, will continue to bite you on the arse.

> That's about the limit of their mentality.

And there's one of the fundamental difference between you and a normal
person Fraudster. All you do is bleat, "Yor an idiot!". The normal person
says, "You're an idiot Gibbens *because* ... [Insert any of the manifold,
valid reasons why Der Der is an idiot. Inventing a business frinstance].

alvey

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On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 16:22:57 +0800, Clocky wrote:

> On 16/12/2021 2:50 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 16/12/2021 2:41 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 16 December 2021 at 12:08:05 UTC+11, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>> On 16/12/2021 6:55 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 18:39:59 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/12/2021 3:54 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:38:53 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15/12/2021 10:32 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:08:14 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>> average car.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and
>>>>>>>>>>>> whining road
>>>>>>>>>>>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet
>>>>>>>>>>>> here you are
>>>>>>>>>>>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not
>>>>>>>>>>>> having any
>>>>>>>>>>>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one.
>>>>>>>>>>>> So guess what
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well played.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named
>>>>>>>>>>> Time's Person
>>>>>>>>>>> ot Year.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as
>>>>>>>>>> Person of the
>>>>>>>>>> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
>>>>>>>>>> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Still* on the ironic "well played"... Well played to Gumps for
>>>>>>>>> not knowing
>>>>>>>>> what Time's PotY represents.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here ya go Gumpo! "...a person, group, an idea, or an object
>>>>>>>>> that for
>>>>>>>>> better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events
>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>> year".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Seriously Gumps, give up the snipes and improve everyone's life.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> alvey
>>>>>>>>> bye gumps.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yep, every time... comes in a swingin' and a missin' and then
>>>>>>>> buggers
>>>>>>>> off again until the next time he makes a fool of himself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good old Gumps, he's like a king tide. Highly predictable, and
>>>>>>> similar in
>>>>>>> that both leave a smelly mess behind after they retreat...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh alvey wearing his big boy pants waits for his team to stand up then
>>>>>> whimpers a response. The only people making a fool of themselves here
>>>>>> are those who are so lacking in insight that they are not able to see
>>>>>> the woods from the trees.
>>>>>
>>>>> I sure can see the Forrest Gumps...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Think those who spend hours each day
>>>>>> responding to posts knowing that the person they are responding to
>>>>>> does
>>>>>> not give a rats.
>>>>>
>>>>> Really Gumps? The Fraudster continually sniping from behind his mighty
>>>>> (snigger) killfail says otherwise. And then there's the instances
>>>>> where the
>>>>> idiot has replied directly to someone about whom he has brayed,
>>>>> "he's in my
>>>>> KF". Or he's on his "lappy", (an expression used exclusively by knobs),
>>>>> which convieniently hasn't been 'updated'. etc etc etc
>>>>>
>>>>>> What a bunch of fools.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Gumps, I'm suffering slightly from an excess of Grigio and could
>>>>> use a
>>>>> larf. Would you mind reposting the reason why you support the
>>>>> hypocritical,
>>>>> abusive, lying fraud from Bumhole (Vic)?
>>>> I see you called down the baying hounds. Such a pity all you got was a
>>>> heap of pussies. The pack mentality that exists in the flc is what I
>>>> object to more than anything else. You're all a bunch of moronic losers
>>>> with little better to do than hunt in a pack however you are hamstrung
>>>> in that fact that the only weapons you have are feather dusters.
>>> ~~~~~
>>>   Yeah, and they may as well not bother!.
>>>           One only has to read the O/P to know *exactly* how each of
>>> them will reply. 'There`s nothing new under the sun' <FBG>
>>> d
>>> O/P
>>
>> They certainly hunt in a pack. Bunch of grubs.
>
> You have no morals, no backbone and are dishonest. You proved that yourself.

So he's got most of the qualities necessary to defend the Fraudster then.

Anyhoo, it looks like Gumps has done his regular-as-a-Swiss-train act and
runaway right on time.

alvey
Wondering why Gumps enjoys this Whack-a-Gump game so much?

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On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 22:18:39 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> This is true, but then the world is full of retards like Clasener who
> would pay the "gouging tax" for a Toyota because he's one of the
> imbecilic sheep who thinks it's a good idea.
>
> Which is *exactly* the kind of fucked up brain dead mentality you would
> expect from someone who has zero trade relevance and hasn't done for
> over 25 years :)

Hey Gumps!
Here's another fine example of the Fraudster "not giving a rats".
Hahahahahahaha.

alvey

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On 17/12/21 1:17 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 16/12/2021 11:08 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 16/12/21 2:01 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> I thought it was interesting to see the differences between them
>>> given the fact that the Toyota attracts a price premium of just over
>>> 10 thousand bucks for the similar specced model.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> For some reason Triton has always been by far the cheapest Japanese
>> ute, not that long ago if they weren't cheap they wouldn't have sold
>> many mostly because they had a poor reliability reputation but it
>> looks like they have improved.
>
> I've never known them to be unreliable. They were always pitched at the
> "cheap and cheerful" end of the market, but they were pretty solid.
> Mitsubishi commercials always have been.
>
>> My experience with Hilux brakes is that they last a lot of kms before
>> they need replacing, on the 2003 I owned the front pads lasted well
>> over 100,000km as did the pads on the 2009 I also owned, it would be
>> easy to reduce braking distance by fitting different pads but it seems
>> to be a Toyota design criteria that longevity is more important than
>> performance, even the OE Bridgestone tyres last 80,000+ kms, bugger
>> all grip in the wet but they just don't wear out.
>
> I don't know if Toyota goes out of their way to make the Hilux not stop
> as well as it could and I'm sure their brakes work as well as anything
> else. In the video I linked to earlier it showed the stopping distance
> to be somewhat longer than that of the Triton, but the Triton is also a
> lighter car than the Hilux and that has to be taken into account.
>
> There is another video floating around where all the current utes are
> tested for both wet and dry stopping distances and in the wet the Triton
> was 4 suburbs longer to stop than anything else on the test which the
> testers put down to the absolutely appallingly bad wet weather
> performance of it's OEM Dunlop tyres.
>
>> Could also be why they don't wring every last KW out of their engines,
>> reduced stress should increase longevity.
>
> I think it's more a case of Toyota just being their uber conservative
> selves. Very seldom, if ever, do they lead the pack.

I think that that is deliberate, their philosophy seems to be that there
is rarely anything bad about their vehicles but on the other hand there
is never anything especially good, always middle of the road.

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On 17/12/2021 9:57 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 17/12/21 1:17 am, Noddy wrote:

>>> Could also be why they don't wring every last KW out of their
>>> engines, reduced stress should increase longevity.
>>
>> I think it's more a case of Toyota just being their uber conservative
>> selves. Very seldom, if ever, do they lead the pack.
>
> I think that that is deliberate, their philosophy seems to be that there
> is rarely anything bad about their vehicles but on the other hand there
> is never anything especially good, always middle of the road.

And you can't blame them for that either. If they're selling as many
cars as they can make then why make anything special?

It's a bit like Henry Ford with his Model T, and buyers being able to
have any colour they liked as long as it was black.

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On 17/12/2021 7:15 am, alvey wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 16:22:57 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>
>> On 16/12/2021 2:50 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>> On 16/12/2021 2:41 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, 16 December 2021 at 12:08:05 UTC+11, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>> On 16/12/2021 6:55 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 18:39:59 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/12/2021 3:54 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:38:53 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 15/12/2021 10:32 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:08:14 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average car.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whining road
>>>>>>>>>>>>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> here you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> having any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So guess what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well played.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named
>>>>>>>>>>>> Time's Person
>>>>>>>>>>>> ot Year.
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as
>>>>>>>>>>> Person of the
>>>>>>>>>>> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>>>>>>>>>> *Still* on the ironic "well played"... Well played to Gumps for
>>>>>>>>>> not knowing
>>>>>>>>>> what Time's PotY represents.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here ya go Gumpo! "...a person, group, an idea, or an object
>>>>>>>>>> that for
>>>>>>>>>> better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events
>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>> year".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Seriously Gumps, give up the snipes and improve everyone's life.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> alvey
>>>>>>>>>> bye gumps.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yep, every time... comes in a swingin' and a missin' and then
>>>>>>>>> buggers
>>>>>>>>> off again until the next time he makes a fool of himself.
>>>>>>>> Good old Gumps, he's like a king tide. Highly predictable, and
>>>>>>>> similar in
>>>>>>>> that both leave a smelly mess behind after they retreat...
>>>>>>> Oh alvey wearing his big boy pants waits for his team to stand up then
>>>>>>> whimpers a response. The only people making a fool of themselves here
>>>>>>> are those who are so lacking in insight that they are not able to see
>>>>>>> the woods from the trees.
>>>>>> I sure can see the Forrest Gumps...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Think those who spend hours each day
>>>>>>> responding to posts knowing that the person they are responding to
>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>> not give a rats.
>>>>>> Really Gumps? The Fraudster continually sniping from behind his mighty
>>>>>> (snigger) killfail says otherwise. And then there's the instances
>>>>>> where the
>>>>>> idiot has replied directly to someone about whom he has brayed,
>>>>>> "he's in my
>>>>>> KF". Or he's on his "lappy", (an expression used exclusively by knobs),
>>>>>> which convieniently hasn't been 'updated'. etc etc etc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What a bunch of fools.
>>>>>> Hey Gumps, I'm suffering slightly from an excess of Grigio and could
>>>>>> use a
>>>>>> larf. Would you mind reposting the reason why you support the
>>>>>> hypocritical,
>>>>>> abusive, lying fraud from Bumhole (Vic)?
>>>>> I see you called down the baying hounds. Such a pity all you got was a
>>>>> heap of pussies. The pack mentality that exists in the flc is what I
>>>>> object to more than anything else. You're all a bunch of moronic losers
>>>>> with little better to do than hunt in a pack however you are hamstrung
>>>>> in that fact that the only weapons you have are feather dusters.
>>>> ~~~~~
>>>>   Yeah, and they may as well not bother!.
>>>>           One only has to read the O/P to know *exactly* how each of
>>>> them will reply. 'There`s nothing new under the sun' <FBG>
>>>> d
>>>> O/P
>>> They certainly hunt in a pack. Bunch of grubs.
>> You have no morals, no backbone and are dishonest. You proved that yourself.
> So he's got most of the qualities necessary to defend the Fraudster then.
>
> Anyhoo, it looks like Gumps has done his regular-as-a-Swiss-train act and
> runaway right on time.
>
>
>
> alvey
> Wondering why Gumps enjoys this Whack-a-Gump game so much?
>

the difference between whack-a-mole game and whack-a-Gump is that,
unlike whack-a-mole, gumpy pops up in the same place  :)

--
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the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster

On 17/12/21 7:01 am, alvey wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 22:12:40 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 16/12/2021 5:50 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>> On 16/12/2021 2:41 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>
>>>>   Yeah, and they may as well not bother!.
>>>>           One only has to read the O/P to know *exactly* how each of
>>>> them will reply. 'There`s nothing new under the sun' <FBG>
>>>> d
>>>> O/P
>>>
>>> They certainly hunt in a pack. Bunch of grubs. Abuse and accuse others
>>> of all sorts of things but they are squeaky clean... It's fun to
>>> occasionally pull their chains.
>>
>> As I've said, they carry on like 10 year olds in a tree house.
>
> And as you've been told by many, repeating your inane opinions won't make
> them any truer. *Facts* otoh, will continue to bite you on the arse.
>
>> That's about the limit of their mentality.
>
> And there's one of the fundamental difference between you and a normal
> person Fraudster. All you do is bleat, "Yor an idiot!". The normal person
> says, "You're an idiot Gibbens *because* ... [Insert any of the manifold,
> valid reasons why Der Der is an idiot. Inventing a business frinstance].
>
>
>
> alvey
>
Nah, the best and *prime* example is him inventing trade qualifications.
Sadly for Darren, he was too stupid and *inexperienced* in
apprenticeships and trade qualification matters that he didn't know
trade qualifications were *uniquely numbered*. He can't even *borrow*
someone else's papers and dummy up a copy since a number provides an
immediate lookup on the trade database. He compounded the felony by then
claiming membership of the VACC for 20+ years. That was too easy to
check up on - a simple email was all it took - and, as expected, his
claim there also turned out to be utter bullshit. FFS, he's the *exact*
kind of faker the VACC is trying to push out of the automotive industry
in Victoria.

--
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 17/12/21 9:57 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 17/12/21 1:17 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 16/12/2021 11:08 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 16/12/21 2:01 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> I thought it was interesting to see the differences between them
>>>> given the fact that the Toyota attracts a price premium of just over
>>>> 10 thousand bucks for the similar specced model.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> For some reason Triton has always been by far the cheapest Japanese
>>> ute, not that long ago if they weren't cheap they wouldn't have sold
>>> many mostly because they had a poor reliability reputation but it
>>> looks like they have improved.
>>
>> I've never known them to be unreliable. They were always pitched at
>> the "cheap and cheerful" end of the market, but they were pretty
>> solid. Mitsubishi commercials always have been.
>>
>>> My experience with Hilux brakes is that they last a lot of kms before
>>> they need replacing, on the 2003 I owned the front pads lasted well
>>> over 100,000km as did the pads on the 2009 I also owned, it would be
>>> easy to reduce braking distance by fitting different pads but it
>>> seems to be a Toyota design criteria that longevity is more important
>>> than performance, even the OE Bridgestone tyres last 80,000+ kms,
>>> bugger all grip in the wet but they just don't wear out.
>>
>> I don't know if Toyota goes out of their way to make the Hilux not
>> stop as well as it could and I'm sure their brakes work as well as
>> anything else. In the video I linked to earlier it showed the stopping
>> distance to be somewhat longer than that of the Triton, but the Triton
>> is also a lighter car than the Hilux and that has to be taken into
>> account.
>>
>> There is another video floating around where all the current utes are
>> tested for both wet and dry stopping distances and in the wet the
>> Triton was 4 suburbs longer to stop than anything else on the test
>> which the testers put down to the absolutely appallingly bad wet
>> weather performance of it's OEM Dunlop tyres.
>>
>>> Could also be why they don't wring every last KW out of their
>>> engines, reduced stress should increase longevity.
>>
>> I think it's more a case of Toyota just being their uber conservative
>> selves. Very seldom, if ever, do they lead the pack.

Omigod, you clowns do talk some shit. Toyota, with the Hybrid Synergy
Drive technology, *is leading the pack* as far as hybrids goes. The
Prius set the *standard* for hybrid vehicles to the point where other
marques are buying or licencing the technology from Toyota.

That *innovation* began when, in the 1990s, Toyota began developing ECUs
*in-house*. The company established a chip plant, an electronics plant
and a battery plant. Efforts in these areas led to the successful
commercialisation of the Prius.

Going beyond hybrids, Toyota is developing BEVs and hydrogen fueled
vehicles.

> I think that that is deliberate, their philosophy seems to be that there
> is rarely anything bad about their vehicles but on the other hand there
> is never anything especially good, always middle of the road.

Being the leader in *reliability* and *TCO* is hardly *middle of the
road*. That Toyota is a *sales leader* confirms that Toyota *is* the
leader of the pack.

--
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 17/12/21 11:39 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 17/12/2021 7:15 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 16:22:57 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>> On 16/12/2021 2:50 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>> On 16/12/2021 2:41 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, 16 December 2021 at 12:08:05 UTC+11, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>> On 16/12/2021 6:55 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 18:39:59 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15/12/2021 3:54 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:38:53 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/12/2021 10:32 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:08:14 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average car.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whining road
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So guess what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well played.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time's Person
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ot Year.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as
>>>>>>>>>>>> Person of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>>>>>>>>>>> *Still* on the ironic "well played"... Well played to Gumps for
>>>>>>>>>>> not knowing
>>>>>>>>>>> what Time's PotY represents.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here ya go Gumpo! "...a person, group, an idea, or an object
>>>>>>>>>>> that for
>>>>>>>>>>> better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events
>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>> year".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Seriously Gumps, give up the snipes and improve everyone's life.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> alvey
>>>>>>>>>>> bye gumps.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yep, every time... comes in a swingin' and a missin' and then
>>>>>>>>>> buggers
>>>>>>>>>> off again until the next time he makes a fool of himself.
>>>>>>>>> Good old Gumps, he's like a king tide. Highly predictable, and
>>>>>>>>> similar in
>>>>>>>>> that both leave a smelly mess behind after they retreat...
>>>>>>>> Oh alvey wearing his big boy pants waits for his team to stand
>>>>>>>> up then
>>>>>>>> whimpers a response. The only people making a fool of themselves
>>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>>> are those who are so lacking in insight that they are not able
>>>>>>>> to see
>>>>>>>> the woods from the trees.
>>>>>>> I sure can see the Forrest Gumps...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Think those who spend hours each day
>>>>>>>> responding to posts knowing that the person they are responding to
>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>> not give a rats.
>>>>>>> Really Gumps? The Fraudster continually sniping from behind his
>>>>>>> mighty
>>>>>>> (snigger) killfail says otherwise. And then there's the instances
>>>>>>> where the
>>>>>>> idiot has replied directly to someone about whom he has brayed,
>>>>>>> "he's in my
>>>>>>> KF". Or he's on his "lappy", (an expression used exclusively by
>>>>>>> knobs),
>>>>>>> which convieniently hasn't been 'updated'. etc etc etc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What a bunch of fools.
>>>>>>> Hey Gumps, I'm suffering slightly from an excess of Grigio and could
>>>>>>> use a
>>>>>>> larf. Would you mind reposting the reason why you support the
>>>>>>> hypocritical,
>>>>>>> abusive, lying fraud from Bumhole (Vic)?
>>>>>> I see you called down the baying hounds. Such a pity all you got
>>>>>> was a
>>>>>> heap of pussies. The pack mentality that exists in the flc is what I
>>>>>> object to more than anything else. You're all a bunch of moronic
>>>>>> losers
>>>>>> with little better to do than hunt in a pack however you are
>>>>>> hamstrung
>>>>>> in that fact that the only weapons you have are feather dusters.
>>>>> ~~~~~
>>>>>    Yeah, and they may as well not bother!.
>>>>>            One only has to read the O/P to know *exactly* how each of
>>>>> them will reply. 'There`s nothing new under the sun' <FBG>
>>>>> d
>>>>> O/P
>>>> They certainly hunt in a pack. Bunch of grubs.
>>> You have no morals, no backbone and are dishonest. You proved that
>>> yourself.
>> So he's got most of the qualities necessary to defend the Fraudster then.
>>
>> Anyhoo, it looks like Gumps has done his regular-as-a-Swiss-train act and
>> runaway right on time.
>>
>>
>>
>> alvey
>> Wondering why Gumps enjoys this Whack-a-Gump game so much?
>>
>
> the difference between whack-a-mole game and whack-a-Gump is that,
> unlike whack-a-mole, gumpy pops up in the same place  :)
>
>
Now that's funny! ;-)

--
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 17/12/2021 11:42 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 17/12/21 7:01 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 22:12:40 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>> On 16/12/2021 5:50 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>> On 16/12/2021 2:41 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>>    Yeah, and they may as well not bother!.
>>>>>            One only has to read the O/P to know *exactly* how each of
>>>>> them will reply. 'There`s nothing new under the sun' <FBG>
>>>>> d
>>>>> O/P
>>>>
>>>> They certainly hunt in a pack. Bunch of grubs. Abuse and accuse others
>>>> of all sorts of things but they are squeaky clean... It's fun to
>>>> occasionally pull their chains.
>>>
>>> As I've said, they carry on like 10 year olds in a tree house.
>>
>> And as you've been told by many, repeating your inane opinions won't
>> make
>> them any truer. *Facts* otoh, will continue to bite you on the arse.
>>
>>> That's about the limit of their mentality.
>>
>> And there's one of the fundamental difference between you and a normal
>> person Fraudster. All you do is bleat, "Yor an idiot!". The normal
>> person
>> says, "You're an idiot Gibbens *because* ... [Insert any of the
>> manifold,
>> valid reasons why Der Der is an idiot. Inventing a business frinstance].
>>
>>
>>
>> alvey
>>
> Nah, the best and *prime* example is him inventing trade
> qualifications. Sadly for Darren, he was too stupid and
> *inexperienced* in apprenticeships and trade qualification matters
> that he didn't know trade qualifications were *uniquely numbered*. He
> can't even *borrow* someone else's papers and dummy up a copy since a
> number provides an immediate lookup on the trade database. He
> compounded the felony by then claiming membership of the VACC for 20+
> years. That was too easy to check up on - a simple email was all it
> took - and, as expected, his claim there also turned out to be utter
> bullshit. FFS, he's the *exact* kind of faker the VACC is trying to
> push out of the automotive industry in Victoria.
>

and he likes to say that ppl (such as I) blindly believe what you say
about him. Well Derro, no. Considering those things you detest so much
called facts, it's obvious to any thinking person that there are good
reasons not to believe you.

1. Xeno is a qualified trade teacher who has trained apprentices for
many years. He is well aware of what is required to become a qualified
motor mechanic.

2. He has enunciated the many times the reasons why you could not be one

3. You have never addressed any of these reasons, let alone refuted them

4. You offer no evidence let alone proof that you're qualified

5.  Because of the many lies you have told here your word has little value

6. Considering 1 -5  there is no valid reason for any sensible person to
believe that you're a qualified motor mechanic, but very good reasons to
believe you're not.

--
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the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster

On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:39:16 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> On 17/12/2021 7:15 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 16:22:57 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>> On 16/12/2021 2:50 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>> On 16/12/2021 2:41 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, 16 December 2021 at 12:08:05 UTC+11, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>> On 16/12/2021 6:55 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 18:39:59 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15/12/2021 3:54 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:38:53 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/12/2021 10:32 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:08:14 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average car.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whining road
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So guess what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well played.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time's Person
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ot Year.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as
>>>>>>>>>>>> Person of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>>>>>>>>>>> *Still* on the ironic "well played"... Well played to Gumps for
>>>>>>>>>>> not knowing
>>>>>>>>>>> what Time's PotY represents.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here ya go Gumpo! "...a person, group, an idea, or an object
>>>>>>>>>>> that for
>>>>>>>>>>> better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events
>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>> year".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Seriously Gumps, give up the snipes and improve everyone's life.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> alvey
>>>>>>>>>>> bye gumps.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yep, every time... comes in a swingin' and a missin' and then
>>>>>>>>>> buggers
>>>>>>>>>> off again until the next time he makes a fool of himself.
>>>>>>>>> Good old Gumps, he's like a king tide. Highly predictable, and
>>>>>>>>> similar in
>>>>>>>>> that both leave a smelly mess behind after they retreat...
>>>>>>>> Oh alvey wearing his big boy pants waits for his team to stand up then
>>>>>>>> whimpers a response. The only people making a fool of themselves here
>>>>>>>> are those who are so lacking in insight that they are not able to see
>>>>>>>> the woods from the trees.
>>>>>>> I sure can see the Forrest Gumps...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Think those who spend hours each day
>>>>>>>> responding to posts knowing that the person they are responding to
>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>> not give a rats.
>>>>>>> Really Gumps? The Fraudster continually sniping from behind his mighty
>>>>>>> (snigger) killfail says otherwise. And then there's the instances
>>>>>>> where the
>>>>>>> idiot has replied directly to someone about whom he has brayed,
>>>>>>> "he's in my
>>>>>>> KF". Or he's on his "lappy", (an expression used exclusively by knobs),
>>>>>>> which convieniently hasn't been 'updated'. etc etc etc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What a bunch of fools.
>>>>>>> Hey Gumps, I'm suffering slightly from an excess of Grigio and could
>>>>>>> use a
>>>>>>> larf. Would you mind reposting the reason why you support the
>>>>>>> hypocritical,
>>>>>>> abusive, lying fraud from Bumhole (Vic)?
>>>>>> I see you called down the baying hounds. Such a pity all you got was a
>>>>>> heap of pussies. The pack mentality that exists in the flc is what I
>>>>>> object to more than anything else. You're all a bunch of moronic losers
>>>>>> with little better to do than hunt in a pack however you are hamstrung
>>>>>> in that fact that the only weapons you have are feather dusters.
>>>>> ~~~~~
>>>>>   Yeah, and they may as well not bother!.
>>>>>           One only has to read the O/P to know *exactly* how each of
>>>>> them will reply. 'There`s nothing new under the sun' <FBG>
>>>>> d
>>>>> O/P
>>>> They certainly hunt in a pack. Bunch of grubs.
>>> You have no morals, no backbone and are dishonest. You proved that yourself.
>> So he's got most of the qualities necessary to defend the Fraudster then.
>>
>> Anyhoo, it looks like Gumps has done his regular-as-a-Swiss-train act and
>> runaway right on time.
>>
>>
>>
>> alvey
>> Wondering why Gumps enjoys this Whack-a-Gump game so much?
>>
>
> the difference between whack-a-mole game and whack-a-Gump is that,
> unlike whack-a-mole, gumpy pops up in the same place  :)

Good one.

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On 17/12/21 11:20 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 17/12/2021 9:57 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 17/12/21 1:17 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>> Could also be why they don't wring every last KW out of their
>>>> engines, reduced stress should increase longevity.
>>>
>>> I think it's more a case of Toyota just being their uber conservative
>>> selves. Very seldom, if ever, do they lead the pack.
>>
>> I think that that is deliberate, their philosophy seems to be that
>> there is rarely anything bad about their vehicles but on the other
>> hand there is never anything especially good, always middle of the road.
>
> And you can't blame them for that either. If they're selling as many
> cars as they can make then why make anything special?
>
> It's a bit like Henry Ford with his Model T, and buyers being able to
> have any colour they liked as long as it was black.
>
>
It seems to be what a lot of car buyers want, just reliable transport
and Toyota excel at providing that, rarely do they make anything exciting.
Old saying amongst 4WDers, "if you want to go bush take a Land Rover, if
you want to come back take a Toyota":-)

--
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On 17/12/2021 8:39 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 17/12/2021 7:15 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 16:22:57 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>> On 16/12/2021 2:50 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>> On 16/12/2021 2:41 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, 16 December 2021 at 12:08:05 UTC+11, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>> On 16/12/2021 6:55 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 18:39:59 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15/12/2021 3:54 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:38:53 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/12/2021 10:32 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:08:14 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average car.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whining road
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So guess what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well played.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time's Person
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ot Year.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as
>>>>>>>>>>>> Person of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>>>>>>>>>>> *Still* on the ironic "well played"... Well played to Gumps for
>>>>>>>>>>> not knowing
>>>>>>>>>>> what Time's PotY represents.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here ya go Gumpo! "...a person, group, an idea, or an object
>>>>>>>>>>> that for
>>>>>>>>>>> better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events
>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>> year".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Seriously Gumps, give up the snipes and improve everyone's life.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> alvey
>>>>>>>>>>> bye gumps.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yep, every time... comes in a swingin' and a missin' and then
>>>>>>>>>> buggers
>>>>>>>>>> off again until the next time he makes a fool of himself.
>>>>>>>>> Good old Gumps, he's like a king tide. Highly predictable, and
>>>>>>>>> similar in
>>>>>>>>> that both leave a smelly mess behind after they retreat...
>>>>>>>> Oh alvey wearing his big boy pants waits for his team to stand
>>>>>>>> up then
>>>>>>>> whimpers a response. The only people making a fool of themselves
>>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>>> are those who are so lacking in insight that they are not able
>>>>>>>> to see
>>>>>>>> the woods from the trees.
>>>>>>> I sure can see the Forrest Gumps...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Think those who spend hours each day
>>>>>>>> responding to posts knowing that the person they are responding to
>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>> not give a rats.
>>>>>>> Really Gumps? The Fraudster continually sniping from behind his
>>>>>>> mighty
>>>>>>> (snigger) killfail says otherwise. And then there's the instances
>>>>>>> where the
>>>>>>> idiot has replied directly to someone about whom he has brayed,
>>>>>>> "he's in my
>>>>>>> KF". Or he's on his "lappy", (an expression used exclusively by
>>>>>>> knobs),
>>>>>>> which convieniently hasn't been 'updated'. etc etc etc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What a bunch of fools.
>>>>>>> Hey Gumps, I'm suffering slightly from an excess of Grigio and could
>>>>>>> use a
>>>>>>> larf. Would you mind reposting the reason why you support the
>>>>>>> hypocritical,
>>>>>>> abusive, lying fraud from Bumhole (Vic)?
>>>>>> I see you called down the baying hounds. Such a pity all you got
>>>>>> was a
>>>>>> heap of pussies. The pack mentality that exists in the flc is what I
>>>>>> object to more than anything else. You're all a bunch of moronic
>>>>>> losers
>>>>>> with little better to do than hunt in a pack however you are
>>>>>> hamstrung
>>>>>> in that fact that the only weapons you have are feather dusters.
>>>>> ~~~~~
>>>>>    Yeah, and they may as well not bother!.
>>>>>            One only has to read the O/P to know *exactly* how each of
>>>>> them will reply. 'There`s nothing new under the sun' <FBG>
>>>>> d
>>>>> O/P
>>>> They certainly hunt in a pack. Bunch of grubs.
>>> You have no morals, no backbone and are dishonest. You proved that
>>> yourself.
>> So he's got most of the qualities necessary to defend the Fraudster then.
>>
>> Anyhoo, it looks like Gumps has done his regular-as-a-Swiss-train act and
>> runaway right on time.
>>
>>
>>
>> alvey
>> Wondering why Gumps enjoys this Whack-a-Gump game so much?
>>
>
> the difference between whack-a-mole game and whack-a-Gump is that,
> unlike whack-a-mole, gumpy pops up in the same place  :)
>
>

LOL :-)

On 16/12/2021 7:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 16/12/2021 3:28 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 15 December 2021 at 15:14:30 UTC+11, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 15/12/2021 2:23 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, 15 December 2021 at 13:14:04 UTC+11, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> They've come a long way but they're still niche, and it's the "niche"
>>>>> that costs. Still, manufacturers aren't above sticking it to people
>>>>> when
>>>>> it suits them. Look at Toyota. Ask them how much they're selling
>>>>> current
>>>>> stocks of SR5 hiluxes for at the moment compared to what they were 18
>>>>> months ago :)
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> Supply and demand.
>>> That's one way of looking at it. Price gouging is another. All
>>> manufacturers do it, but Toyota do it better than most :)
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>> Price gouging?,
>
> That's what it's called. When prices are set to take advantage of
> particular circumstances for no reason other than to profit from the
> experience.
>
>> Only stupids that don`t do their homework fall for that.
>
> In some cases, but not all. There is nowhere at the moment to buy a
> cheap Toyota, as it's Toyota *themselves* who are doing the gouging.
>
>> I would walk away. That applies to (nearly) *everything* for me. if
>> more ppl voted with their feet in those situations it would not
>> occur!. (Fuck all chance of that tho. :( )
>
> This is true, but then the world is full of retards like Clasener who
> would pay the "gouging tax" for a Toyota because he's one of the
> imbecilic sheep who thinks it's a good idea.
>
> Which is *exactly* the kind of fucked up brain dead mentality you would
> expect from someone who has zero trade relevance and hasn't done for
> over 25 years :)
>
>

You don't care you reckon... oh but you do, fraud, you most certainly do :-)

Bust a vein son... this is *all* your own doing.

On 17/12/21 12:30 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 17/12/21 11:20 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 17/12/2021 9:57 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 17/12/21 1:17 am, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>>> Could also be why they don't wring every last KW out of their
>>>>> engines, reduced stress should increase longevity.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's more a case of Toyota just being their uber
>>>> conservative selves. Very seldom, if ever, do they lead the pack.
>>>
>>> I think that that is deliberate, their philosophy seems to be that
>>> there is rarely anything bad about their vehicles but on the other
>>> hand there is never anything especially good, always middle of the road.
>>
>> And you can't blame them for that either. If they're selling as many
>> cars as they can make then why make anything special?
>>
>> It's a bit like Henry Ford with his Model T, and buyers being able to
>> have any colour they liked as long as it was black.
>>
>>
> It seems to be what a lot of car buyers want, just reliable transport
> and Toyota excel at providing that, rarely do they make anything exciting.

Yeah, they use decent technology in their vehicles, not half baked shit
of the type you would find in a Navara.

> Old saying amongst 4WDers, "if you want to go bush take a Land Rover, if
> you want to come back take a Toyota":-)
>
I suppose you consider getting stuck in the bush in a broken down Navara
as *exciting*. Exciting is getting there *and* getting back, another box
ticked.

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 17/12/21 12:57 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 16/12/2021 7:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 16/12/2021 3:28 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 15 December 2021 at 15:14:30 UTC+11, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 15/12/2021 2:23 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, 15 December 2021 at 13:14:04 UTC+11, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> They've come a long way but they're still niche, and it's the "niche"
>>>>>> that costs. Still, manufacturers aren't above sticking it to
>>>>>> people when
>>>>>> it suits them. Look at Toyota. Ask them how much they're selling
>>>>>> current
>>>>>> stocks of SR5 hiluxes for at the moment compared to what they were 18
>>>>>> months ago :)
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> Supply and demand.
>>>> That's one way of looking at it. Price gouging is another. All
>>>> manufacturers do it, but Toyota do it better than most :)
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>> Price gouging?,
>>
>> That's what it's called. When prices are set to take advantage of
>> particular circumstances for no reason other than to profit from the
>> experience.
>>
>>> Only stupids that don`t do their homework fall for that.
>>
>> In some cases, but not all. There is nowhere at the moment to buy a
>> cheap Toyota, as it's Toyota *themselves* who are doing the gouging.
>>
>>> I would walk away. That applies to (nearly) *everything* for me. if
>>> more ppl voted with their feet in those situations it would not
>>> occur!. (Fuck all chance of that tho. :( )
>>
>> This is true, but then the world is full of retards like Clasener who
>> would pay the "gouging tax" for a Toyota because he's one of the
>> imbecilic sheep who thinks it's a good idea.
>>
>> Which is *exactly* the kind of fucked up brain dead mentality you
>> would expect from someone who has zero trade relevance and hasn't done
>> for over 25 years :)
>>
>>
>
> You don't care you reckon... oh but you do, fraud, you most certainly do
> :-)

I just love it when Darren *proves to all and sundry* that I'm really
getting under his skin. Hey, he can slap me down at any time, all it
will take is proof, *irrefutable* proof, of all his automotive related
claims.
>
> Bust a vein son... this is *all* your own doing.
>
Indeed it is! His own undoing is the one thing in his life he can take
full credit for.

--
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 09:57:52 +0800, Clocky wrote:
> On 16/12/2021 7:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>> Which is *exactly* the kind of fucked up brain dead mentality you would
>> expect from someone who has zero trade relevance and hasn't done for
>> over 25 years :)
>>
>
> You don't care you reckon... oh but you do, fraud, you most certainly do :-)
>
> Bust a vein son... this is *all* your own doing.

Continuing with the "Fraudster is stoopid because..." line.

Fraudster is stupid because he bangs on endlessly (and pointlessly) about
"trade relevance". There's two stoopid aspects here Der Der;

1) You have zero "trade relevance". You are an unqualified, 20 year
unemployed bogan stuck in both the 1970s *and* the boonies. These are facts
that no amount of money you burn in your tin shed will alter.

2) This is alt.cars. It is *not* alt.trade.relevance. Whatever the snot
that is. There's a thought Fraudster! Perhaps you, or one of your equally
erudite associates, could attempt to define what this magical "trade
relevance" actually is? I'm sure it'll be worth reading.

alvey

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On 17/12/2021 10:27 am, alvey wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 09:57:52 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>> On 16/12/2021 7:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>> Which is *exactly* the kind of fucked up brain dead mentality you would
>>> expect from someone who has zero trade relevance and hasn't done for
>>> over 25 years :)
>>>
>>
>> You don't care you reckon... oh but you do, fraud, you most certainly do :-)
>>
>> Bust a vein son... this is *all* your own doing.
>
> Continuing with the "Fraudster is stoopid because..." line.
>
> Fraudster is stupid because he bangs on endlessly (and pointlessly) about
> "trade relevance". There's two stoopid aspects here Der Der;
>
> 1) You have zero "trade relevance". You are an unqualified, 20 year
> unemployed bogan stuck in both the 1970s *and* the boonies. These are facts
> that no amount of money you burn in your tin shed will alter.
>
> 2) This is alt.cars. It is *not* alt.trade.relevance.

aus.cars actually but anyway.

Whatever the snot
> that is. There's a thought Fraudster! Perhaps you, or one of your equally
> erudite associates, could attempt to define what this magical "trade
> relevance" actually is? I'm sure it'll be worth reading.
>

It's about time the FLCJC realised the fraud is all cock and no balls
and need to stop bending over for him and actually dare ask a few questions.

But they won't... because they collectively a bunch of limp dicks.

On 17/12/2021 12:30 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 17/12/21 11:20 am, Noddy wrote:

>> It's a bit like Henry Ford with his Model T, and buyers being able to
>> have any colour they liked as long as it was black.
>>
>>
> It seems to be what a lot of car buyers want, just reliable transport
> and Toyota excel at providing that, rarely do they make anything exciting.

No, but then they don't make anything that's any more reliable than that
of anyone else either. Despite popular myth that originated with their
exceptionally good marketing department, Toyota makes their problematic
cars just the same as anyone else.

Ask anyone with an IFS Hilux how many front axle seals they've had to
change because of the poorly designed offset axle housing that has zero
support for the short shaft CV joint, or in fact anyone in the class
action against Toyota over their handling of the diesel particulate
filter issue for example.

> Old saying amongst 4WDers, "if you want to go bush take a Land Rover, if
> you want to come back take a Toyota":-)

It must be an old saying, as I think the last truly capable and fairly
reliable off road vehicle Toyota made was the FJ40. They were truly
rock solid and virtually unstoppable. Everything since then has been
pretty soft :)

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On 17/12/21 3:32 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 17/12/2021 10:27 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 09:57:52 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 16/12/2021 7:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Which is *exactly* the kind of fucked up brain dead mentality you would
>>>> expect from someone who has zero trade relevance and hasn't done for
>>>> over 25 years :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> You don't care you reckon... oh but you do, fraud, you most certainly
>>> do :-)
>>>
>>> Bust a vein son... this is *all* your own doing.
>>
>> Continuing with the "Fraudster is stoopid because..." line.
>>
>> Fraudster is stupid because he bangs on endlessly (and pointlessly) about
>> "trade relevance". There's two stoopid aspects here Der Der;
>>
>> 1) You have zero "trade relevance". You are an unqualified, 20 year
>> unemployed bogan stuck in both the 1970s *and* the boonies. These are
>> facts
>> that no amount of money you burn in your tin shed will alter.
>>
>> 2) This is alt.cars. It is *not* alt.trade.relevance.
>
> aus.cars actually but anyway.

But alt fits anyway since it is some sort of ALTernative to any real car
relevant forum. The one here who bangs on the most bullshit about cars
is the least relevant to automotive save for being a parasite on the trade.
>
>  Whatever the snot
>> that is. There's a thought Fraudster! Perhaps you, or one of your equally
>> erudite associates, could attempt to define what this magical "trade
>> relevance" actually is? I'm sure it'll be worth reading.
>>
>
> It's about time the FLCJC realised the fraud is all cock and no balls
> and need to stop bending over for him and actually dare ask a few
> questions.
>
> But they won't... because they collectively a bunch of limp dicks.
>
Limp dicks, yeah, that's a good description of them.

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