On 26-June-22 7:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>
>>
>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>
>>
>
> **Dunno about you, but, as a male, I have no right to tell a woman what
> she may do with HER body. You should realise that giving birth is one of
> the most deadly acts a woman can engage in.

That's how the UK got abortion on demand. The legislation says that an
abortion is lawful if the woman would be at greater risk if she went
through with the pregnancy than if she had an abortion.

Turns out, this is always the case.

Sylvia.

On 27/06/2022 10:14 pm, Daryl wrote:

> First I've seen any of this thread so I'm not sure which comment should
> be attributed to who?

Same

> Its a rather difficult and complex subject and not as simple as the
> "Christian Lobby" thinks, by banning abortion its likely that the total
> death toll from abortion will increase, not just the unborn babies will
> die but also many women will also die trying to give themselves an
> abortion, my mothers mother died that way long before I was born.
> I certainly don't know what the answer is but IMHO just banning abortion
> entirely is not the answer,

I don't think it's a difficult subject at all. It should be every
woman's right to do what she wants with her body, and the religious
nutters and right to life fruitcakes can go set themselves on fire in
protest if they wish. Banning abortion is not only a ridiculously
draconian mentality, but also an insanely hypocritical one in any
environment where birth control is allowed to exist.

> without a doubt the USA is the dumbest
> country in the world and getting dumber by the minute.

What do you expect from a Nation that put an egotistical maniac like
Donald Trump in Whitehouse?

A couple of years ago an 11 year old Ohio girl who was repeatedly raped
fell pregnant to her attacker, and under the state's "heatbeat law" she
would be forced to deliver the baby. Similar crimes happen all over the
US, and similar laws are now being signed into effect by Governors all
over the country that would prevent under age girls who become pregnant
as a result of being raped from terminating the pregnancy and instead
forcing them to deliver the child.

This is as fucked up as any human rights abuses that backward arsed
groups like the Taliban impose on women, yet America looks at their
actions with a highly critical eye but sees nothing wrong with how it
handles itself. It's insane. As things stand now, a military assault
rifle has more rights than a pregnant 13 year old girl in Texas, and it
seems absolutely bizarre to me that the various US State Governments
would enforce the protect the "rights" of unborn children in the womb
but totally abandon them and leave them at the mercy of gun crazy
whackjobs by the time they're old enough to go to school.

The human race deserves extinction.

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On 27/06/2022 10:14 pm, Daryl wrote:

> First I've seen any of this thread so I'm not sure which comment should
> be attributed to who?

Same

> Its a rather difficult and complex subject and not as simple as the
> "Christian Lobby" thinks, by banning abortion its likely that the total
> death toll from abortion will increase, not just the unborn babies will
> die but also many women will also die trying to give themselves an
> abortion, my mothers mother died that way long before I was born.
> I certainly don't know what the answer is but IMHO just banning abortion
> entirely is not the answer,

I don't think it's a difficult subject at all. It should be every
woman's right to do what she wants with her body, and the religious
nutters and right to life fruitcakes can go set themselves on fire in
protest if they wish. Banning abortion is not only a ridiculously
draconian mentality, but also an insanely hypocritical one in any
environment where birth control is allowed to exist.

> without a doubt the USA is the dumbest
> country in the world and getting dumber by the minute.

What do you expect from a Nation that put an egotistical maniac like
Donald Trump in Whitehouse?

A couple of years ago an 11 year old Ohio girl who was repeatedly raped
fell pregnant to her attacker, and under the state's "heatbeat law" she
would be forced to deliver the baby. Similar crimes happen all over the
US, and similar laws are now being signed into effect by Governors all
over the country that would prevent under age girls who become pregnant
as a result of being raped from terminating the pregnancy and instead
forcing them to deliver the child.

This is as fucked up as any human rights abuses that backward arsed
groups like the Taliban impose on women, yet America looks at their
actions with a highly critical eye but sees nothing wrong with how it
handles itself. It's insane. As things stand now, a military assault
rifle has more rights than a pregnant 13 year old girl in Texas, and it
seems absolutely bizarre to me that the various US State Governments
would enforce the protect the "rights" of unborn children in the womb
but totally abandon them and leave them at the mercy of gun crazy
whackjobs by the time they're old enough to go to school.

The human race deserves extinction.

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Noddy.

On 27/06/2022 10:04 am, Fran wrote:
> On 27/06/2022 10:46 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 26/06/2022 6:21 pm, Fran wrote:
>>> On 26/06/2022 12:50 pm, Max wrote:
>>>> On 26/06/2022 11:58 am, Fran wrote:
>>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>>>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And some clueless males who post on usenet are proof of the need
>>>>> for retrospective abortion to be allowed to be applied......
>>>>
>>>> 1. The day before a woman gives birth, what is in her uterus is a
>>>> human life.
>>>>
>>>> 2. On any day, if what's in the woman's uterus is a human life, then
>>>> the day before it is also a human life.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Therefore, for all days of the pregnancy, what is the in the
>>>> woman's uterus is a human life.
>>>
>>> If a fetus can't survive on it's own outside the uterus, it's just a
>>> bunch of cells.
>>>
>>
>>
>> That would have to be one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard. A
>> baby can't survive outside of the uterus either as has already been
>> pointed out.
>
> Yes, Max is indeed very dumb.  He (and you) must be either trolling or
> obtuse to be unable to figure out that a fetus that relies on a placenta
> for survival and therefore cant' survive on it's own outside the uterus
> is nothing more than just a bunch of cells.

Tell that to parents that miscarried at 14 weeks that their baby was
just a "bunch of cells" you ignorant, insensitive and uneducated dolt.

>> I think the issue isn't black and white. I don't think abortions are
>> something that should be performed after a certain time (5 months is
>> unreasonable for instance) but at the same time they should absolutely
>> be allowed in cases of rape and incest etc. early on in the pregnancy.
>
> I've got no issues with those.
>

You shouldn't have issues with any of it.

On 27/06/2022 2:35 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 10:46:11 +1000, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>
>> On 26/06/2022 6:21 pm, Fran wrote:
>>> On 26/06/2022 12:50 pm, Max wrote:
>>>> On 26/06/2022 11:58 am, Fran wrote:
>>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>>>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And some clueless males who post on usenet are proof of the need
>>>>> for retrospective abortion to be allowed to be applied......
>>>>
>>>> 1. The day before a woman gives birth, what is in her uterus is a
>>>> human life.
>>>>
>>>> 2. On any day, if what's in the woman's uterus is a human life, then
>>>> the day before it is also a human life.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Therefore, for all days of the pregnancy, what is the in the
>>>> woman's uterus is a human life.
>>>  If a fetus can't survive on it's own outside the uterus, it's just a
>>> bunch of cells.
>>>
>>
>>
>> That would have to be one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard. A
>> baby can't survive outside of the uterus either as has already been
>> pointed out.
>>
>> I think the issue isn't black and white. I don't think abortions are
>> something that should be performed after a certain time (5 months is
>> unreasonable for instance)
>
>> but at the same time they should absolutely  be allowedin cases of
>> rape and incest etc. early on in the pregnancy.
>
> Why should that child be killed when it had no say in itw creation ?

I get your point but it's a murky grey area sometimes.

On 27/06/2022 10:08 am, Fran wrote:
> On 27/06/2022 11:02 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 27/06/2022 4:27 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 26/06/2022 8:14 pm, Max wrote:
>>>> On 26/06/2022 7:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>>>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **Dunno about you, but, as a male, I have no right to tell a woman
>>>>> what she may do with HER body. You should realise that giving birth
>>>>> is one of the most deadly acts a woman can engage in.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/mothers-babies/maternal-deaths-in-australia/contents/maternal-deaths-in-australia
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, I fully respect a woman's right not to have an
>>>>> abortion, if she wishes. Likewise, I respect a woman's right to
>>>>> have a safe abortion, should she wish.
>>>>>
>>>>> And again: Assuming you are a male, then you can stick your opinion
>>>>> where the Sun don't shine. This is a woman's choice, not a male's.
>>>>> If a woman chooses not to engage in the potentially deadly act of
>>>>> giving birth, then she should be supported for her choice.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What about the rights of the unborn child?  When do they get a say
>>>> in what happens?
>>>
>>> **I will say once more:
>>>
>>> If you are a male, then stick your opinions up your arse. This is a
>>> matter for women. The foetus cannot survive without a woman.
>>> Therefore, it is part of a woman's body. Therefore, it is a WOMAN'S
>>> choice. Not your and not mine.
>>>
>>> It is not an 'unborn child'. It is a foetus. It is a WOMAN'S choice.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not against abortions within reason but your arguments are stupid.
>
> Are they?  Explain how a fetus can survive without a woman's body?

It's irrelevant and that argument relies on the false premise that the
fetus is part of the woman. It's not. Scientifically, logically and
biologically the fetus is growing inside of the woman but not part of
the woman... in spades because the genetic code of a fetus is unique,
not *shared* with the woman as it would be if the fetus was part of the
woman.

This is an undisputed scientific and biological fact.

> Explain why any male has any logical, scientific or biological say in
> what decisions a woman makes about whether she carries a fetus to term?
>

Without the male there wouldn't be a fetus. And see above.

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On 27/06/2022 10:22 am, Fran wrote:
> On 27/06/2022 10:49 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 26/06/2022 5:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> **Dunno about you, but, as a male, I have no right to tell a woman
>>> what she may do with HER body. You should realise that giving birth
>>> is one of the most deadly acts a woman can engage in.
>>>
>>> https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/mothers-babies/maternal-deaths-in-australia/contents/maternal-deaths-in-australia
>>>
>>>
>>> In any case, I fully respect a woman's right not to have an abortion,
>>> if she wishes. Likewise, I respect a woman's right to have a safe
>>> abortion, should she wish.
>>>
>>> And again: Assuming you are a male, then you can stick your opinion
>>> where the Sun don't shine. This is a woman's choice, not a male's.
>>
>> But to play devil's advocate, the woman is making a choice on behalf
>> of a life that's *not* hers.
>
> That just a good example of the pot calling the kettle black and
> conveniently ignoring a basic fact that a bunch of cells that can't
> survive without a placenta is no more a 'life' than a tumour.

You're getting even more irrational, ridiculous and illogical to make
that comparison.

If you
> are going to whine about the woman making such a choice then you should
> be whining about males (such as yourself) trying to make decisions for
> woman.  In fact it's even worse than that, it's about imposing decisons
> on woman.
>
>

Actually no, because I said I was playing devils advocate and I'm *not*
against abortions under certain circumstances. I'm presenting biological
and scientific facts whilst your repeating the same nonsense because
that is all you have to support your argument and so you can pretend
that removing a fetus is not killing an unborn child. It very well is
and you can present a valid argument *for* doing so under certain
circumstances but don't be disingenuous and pretend that a fetus is part
of the woman and just a bunch of cells as there is no scientific or
biological basis of fact to that argument.

On 27/06/2022 1:28 pm, JONZ wrote:
> On 6/27/2022 11:06 AM, Clocky wrote:
>> On 26/06/2022 7:56 pm, JONZ wrote:
>>> On 6/26/2022 10:59 AM, Max wrote:
>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>   Sometimes it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than
>>> to speak and remove all doubt!.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> Awesome, so we will never be subjected to your mindless and idiotic
>> gibberish again.
>>
>> Good news.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>  HMmmm, the *expected* proof/truth of my poast!.
>      The same er, person that likes to squeak and squeal about saving
> this (very) over populated planet, is an *anti abortionist*.
>
> Why am I *not* surprised. <FBG>

You're so determined to prove my exact point. I'm not anti-abortion. You
insist to make the case *for* abortion having never contributed anything
of value to any newsgroup ever since you infested usenet with your
mindless gibberish.

On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 00:52:48 +1000, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:

> On 27/06/2022 2:35 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 10:46:11 +1000, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 26/06/2022 6:21 pm, Fran wrote:
>>>> On 26/06/2022 12:50 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>> On 26/06/2022 11:58 am, Fran wrote:
>>>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>>>>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the
>>>>>>>> shandows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And some clueless males who post on usenet are proof of the need
>>>>>> for retrospective abortion to be allowed to be applied......
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. The day before a woman gives birth, what is in her uterus is a
>>>>> human life.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. On any day, if what's in the woman's uterus is a human life, then
>>>>> the day before it is also a human life.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Therefore, for all days of the pregnancy, what is the in the
>>>>> woman's uterus is a human life.
>>>> If a fetus can't survive on it's own outside the uterus, it's just a
>>>> bunch of cells.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That would have to be one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard. A
>>> baby can't survive outside of the uterus either as has already been
>>> pointed out.
>>>
>>> I think the issue isn't black and white. I don't think abortions are
>>> something that should be performed after a certain time (5 months is
>>> unreasonable for instance)
>>
>>> but at the same time they should absolutely be allowedin cases of
>>> rape and incest etc. early on in the pregnancy.
>> Why should that child be killed when it had no say in itw creation ?
>
>
> I get your point but it's a murky grey area sometimes.

No it isnt. The unborn child got no say on how it was created
and it makes no sense to kill it.

On 27/06/2022 10:56 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 26-June-22 7:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> **Dunno about you, but, as a male, I have no right to tell a woman
>> what she may do with HER body. You should realise that giving birth is
>> one of the most deadly acts a woman can engage in.
>
> That's how the UK got abortion on demand. The legislation says that an
> abortion is lawful if the woman would be at greater risk if she went
> through with the pregnancy than if she had an abortion.
>
> Turns out, this is always the case.
>
> Sylvia.

**Exactly. Many people seem to think that giving birth is no big deal.
It ain't for some. If males were the ones who had to give birth,
abortion on demand would be normal all over the planet. It seems that
male politicians like to exert control over women.

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On 27/06/2022 10:37 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 26-June-22 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>
>
> They can want all they like. It's not going to happen.
>
> Sylvia.

**Yep. The figures that came through today suggest that more than 50% of
Aussies report that they are non-Christians and 39% report no religion.

Gotta be happy with that. I look forward to those numbers increasing
over the next few years.

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On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 06:34:40 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> On 27/06/2022 10:56 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 26-June-22 7:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> **Dunno about you, but, as a male, I have no right to tell a woman
>>> what she may do with HER body. You should realise that giving birth is
>>> one of the most deadly acts a woman can engage in.
>> That's how the UK got abortion on demand. The legislation says that an
>> abortion is lawful if the woman would be at greater risk if she went
>> through with the pregnancy than if she had an abortion.
>> Turns out, this is always the case.

> Exactly. Many people seem to think that giving birth is no big deal. It
> ain't for some.

The stupid cow should have considered that before not using contraception

Makes no sense to be killing the unborn child when that fact dawns on the
stupid cow.

> If males were the ones who had to give birth, abortionon demand would
> be normal all over the planet.

Bullshit.

Plenty have actually gone the other route, drown the unwanted
brat in a bucket of water after it has been born when it turns out
to be the unwanted sex or just leave it to die as the abos did.

> It seems that male politicians like to exert control over women.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

Doesn't explain why they exerted control over murderers too.

On 28/06/2022 7:27 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 06:34:40 +1000, Trevor Wilson
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 27/06/2022 10:56 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 26-June-22 7:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **Dunno about you, but, as a male, I have no right to tell a woman
>>>> what she may do with HER body. You should realise that giving birth
>>>> is one of the most deadly acts a woman can engage in.
>>>  That's how the UK got abortion on demand. The legislation says that
>>> an abortion is lawful if the woman would be at greater risk if she
>>> went through with the pregnancy than if she had an abortion.
>>>  Turns out, this is always the case.
>
>> Exactly. Many people seem to think that giving birth is no big deal.
>> It ain't for some.
>
> The stupid cow should have considered that before not using contraception

**Including rape?

>
> Makes no sense to be killing the unborn child when that fact dawns on
> the stupid cow.

**It is a foetus, not a child. Unborn or otherwise.

>
>> If males were the ones who had to give birth,  abortionon demand would
>> be normal all over the planet.
>
> Bullshit.

**Fact.

>
> Plenty have actually gone the other route, drown the unwanted
> brat in a bucket of water after it has been born when it turns out
> to be the unwanted sex or just leave it to die as the abos did.
>
>> It seems that  male politicians like to exert control over women.
>
> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
>
> Doesn't explain why they exerted control over murderers too.

**Huh?

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On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 09:03:26 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> On 28/06/2022 7:27 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 06:34:40 +1000, Trevor Wilson
>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/06/2022 10:56 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 26-June-22 7:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>>>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **Dunno about you, but, as a male, I have no right to tell a woman
>>>>> what she may do with HER body. You should realise that giving birth
>>>>> is one of the most deadly acts a woman can engage in.
>>>> That's how the UK got abortion on demand. The legislation says that
>>>> an abortion is lawful if the woman would be at greater risk if she
>>>> went through with the pregnancy than if she had an abortion.
>>>> Turns out, this is always the case.
>>
>>> Exactly. Many people seem to think that giving birth is no big deal.
>>> It ain't for some.

>> The stupid cow should have considered that before not using
>> contraception

> Including rape?

We aren't discussing abortion only after rape and the unborn child you
want to allow her to kill didn't have any say in being created anyway.

>> Makes no sense to be killing the unborn child when that fact dawns on
>> the stupid cow.

> It is a foetus, not a child. Unborn or otherwise.

Its both, fuckwit.

>>
>>> If males were the ones who had to give birth, abortionon demand would
>>> be normal all over the planet.

>> Bullshit.

> Fact.

How odd that even the female dominated societys didnt allow abortion
either.

>> Plenty have actually gone the other route, drown the unwanted
>> brat in a bucket of water after it has been born when it turns out
>> to be the unwanted sex or just leave it to die as the abos did.
>>
>>> It seems that male politicians like to exert control over women.
>> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

>> Doesn't explain why they exerted control over murderers too.

> Huh?

Murder was banned even tho most victims were male, fuckwit.

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> The stupid cow
> the stupid cow
> Bullshit.
> Even sillier

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Trevor Wilson wrote:

> Sylvia Else wrote:
>> They can want all they like. It's not going to happen.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> **Yep. The figures that came through today suggest that more than 50% of
> Aussies report that they are non-Christians and 39% report no religion.
>
> Gotta be happy with that. I look forward to those numbers increasing
> over the next few years.
>
I was just about to post that report, but you've now beaten me to it.
Here is the ABC-article on this subject:
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-28/census-2021-data-shows-a-changed-australia/101177152?utm_source=sfmc&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=abc_news_newsmail_am_sfmc&utm_term=&utm_id=1892131&sfmc_id=126532366>

It looks like our Petz is going to be really-really unhappy about that
news, although he surely will argue that this is just more fake news by
the "communist" mainstream media.
Sigh!

I think rational and progressive people would all want to live in a 21st
century society where women are equal to men in all aspects of their
lives and where everyone has the same right to have control over one's
own body no matter what.

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On 28/06/2022 9:08 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 09:03:26 +1000, Trevor Wilson
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 28/06/2022 7:27 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 06:34:40 +1000, Trevor Wilson
>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/06/2022 10:56 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 26-June-22 7:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>>>>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Dunno about you, but, as a male, I have no right to tell a woman
>>>>>> what she may do with HER body. You should realise that giving
>>>>>> birth is one of the most deadly acts a woman can engage in.
>>>>>  That's how the UK got abortion on demand. The legislation says
>>>>> that an abortion is lawful if the woman would be at greater risk if
>>>>> she went through with the pregnancy than if she had an abortion.
>>>>>  Turns out, this is always the case.
>>>
>>>> Exactly. Many people seem to think that giving birth is no big deal.
>>>> It ain't for some.
>
>>>  The stupid cow should have considered that before not using
>>> contraception
>
>> Including rape?
>
> We aren't discussing abortion only after rape and the unborn child you
> want to allow her to kill didn't have any say in being created anyway.
>
>>>  Makes no sense to be killing the unborn child when that fact dawns
>>> on the stupid cow.
>
>> It is a foetus, not a child. Unborn or otherwise.
>
> Its both, fuckwit.

**Nope.

A child is a human outside the womb. A foetus is part of a woman's body.

>
>>>
>>>> If males were the ones who had to give birth,  abortionon demand
>>>> would be normal all over the planet.
>
>>>  Bullshit.
>
>> Fact.
>
> How odd that even the female dominated societys didnt allow abortion
> either.

**Which modern female dominated society doesn't allow abortion.

>
>>>  Plenty have actually gone the other route, drown the unwanted
>>> brat in a bucket of water after it has been born when it turns out
>>> to be the unwanted sex or just leave it to die as the abos did.
>>>
>>>> It seems that  male politicians like to exert control over women.
>>>  Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
>
>>>  Doesn't explain why they exerted control over murderers too.
>
>> Huh?
>
> Murder was banned even tho most victims were male, fuckwit.

**Huh?

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On 24/6/22 14:48, Rod Speed wrote:

>
> You are free to refuse to be vaccinated, but you don't get
> to infect others if you do refuse to be vaccinated, stupid.

This argument might apply if the clotshot succeeded in vaccinating
people, but as it does not, it doesnt.

On 28/06/2022 12:51 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 27/06/2022 10:04 am, Fran wrote:
>> On 27/06/2022 10:46 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 26/06/2022 6:21 pm, Fran wrote:
>>>> On 26/06/2022 12:50 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>> On 26/06/2022 11:58 am, Fran wrote:
>>>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>>>>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And some clueless males who post on usenet are proof of the need
>>>>>> for retrospective abortion to be allowed to be applied......
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. The day before a woman gives birth, what is in her uterus is a
>>>>> human life.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. On any day, if what's in the woman's uterus is a human life,
>>>>> then the day before it is also a human life.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Therefore, for all days of the pregnancy, what is the in the
>>>>> woman's uterus is a human life.
>>>>
>>>> If a fetus can't survive on it's own outside the uterus, it's just a
>>>> bunch of cells.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That would have to be one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard. A
>>> baby can't survive outside of the uterus either as has already been
>>> pointed out.
>>
>> Yes, Max is indeed very dumb.  He (and you) must be either trolling or
>> obtuse to be unable to figure out that a fetus that relies on a
>> placenta for survival and therefore cant' survive on it's own outside
>> the uterus is nothing more than just a bunch of cells.
>
> Tell that to parents that miscarried at 14 weeks that their baby was
> just a "bunch of cells" you ignorant, insensitive and uneducated dolt.

You're being hysterical and illogical and applying a one size fits all
soluton to a situation of your fantasising.

The fantasy parents in your fantasy scenario wanted a child. Women who
seek an abortion DO NOT want a child. There IS a huge difference
between those two circumstances. You'd know that if you weren't
hysterical, obtuse, ill educated, narrow minded, experientially
challenged and insensitive.

>>> I think the issue isn't black and white. I don't think abortions are
>>> something that should be performed after a certain time (5 months is
>>> unreasonable for instance) but at the same time they should
>>> absolutely be allowed in cases of rape and incest etc. early on in
>>> the pregnancy.
>>
>> I've got no issues with those.
>>
>
> You shouldn't have issues with any of it.

Thanks for proving (yet again) why women have issues with obtuse and
thick males who keep telling them what they should think, feel or do.

On 28/06/2022 9:08 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 09:03:26 +1000, Trevor Wilson
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 28/06/2022 7:27 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 06:34:40 +1000, Trevor Wilson
>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/06/2022 10:56 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 26-June-22 7:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>>>>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Dunno about you, but, as a male, I have no right to tell a woman
>>>>>> what she may do with HER body. You should realise that giving
>>>>>> birth is one of the most deadly acts a woman can engage in.
>>>>>  That's how the UK got abortion on demand. The legislation says
>>>>> that an abortion is lawful if the woman would be at greater risk if
>>>>> she went through with the pregnancy than if she had an abortion.
>>>>>  Turns out, this is always the case.
>>>
>>>> Exactly. Many people seem to think that giving birth is no big deal.
>>>> It ain't for some.
>
>>>  The stupid cow should have considered that before not using
>>> contraception
>
>> Including rape?
>
> We aren't discussing abortion only after rape and the unborn child you
> want to allow her to kill didn't have any say in being created anyway.

**And yet, the stupid cunts you worhsip in the US have stated that if 1
10 year old is raped by her father and falls pregnant that she must
carry the foetus to full term.

You are a stupid, ignorant arsehole, just like the morons in the US.

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On 28/06/2022 1:02 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 27/06/2022 10:08 am, Fran wrote:
>> On 27/06/2022 11:02 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 27/06/2022 4:27 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 26/06/2022 8:14 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>> On 26/06/2022 7:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>>>>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Dunno about you, but, as a male, I have no right to tell a woman
>>>>>> what she may do with HER body. You should realise that giving
>>>>>> birth is one of the most deadly acts a woman can engage in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/mothers-babies/maternal-deaths-in-australia/contents/maternal-deaths-in-australia
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In any case, I fully respect a woman's right not to have an
>>>>>> abortion, if she wishes. Likewise, I respect a woman's right to
>>>>>> have a safe abortion, should she wish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And again: Assuming you are a male, then you can stick your
>>>>>> opinion where the Sun don't shine. This is a woman's choice, not a
>>>>>> male's. If a woman chooses not to engage in the potentially deadly
>>>>>> act of giving birth, then she should be supported for her choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What about the rights of the unborn child?  When do they get a say
>>>>> in what happens?
>>>>
>>>> **I will say once more:
>>>>
>>>> If you are a male, then stick your opinions up your arse. This is a
>>>> matter for women. The foetus cannot survive without a woman.
>>>> Therefore, it is part of a woman's body. Therefore, it is a WOMAN'S
>>>> choice. Not your and not mine.
>>>>
>>>> It is not an 'unborn child'. It is a foetus. It is a WOMAN'S choice.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not against abortions within reason but your arguments are stupid.
>>
>> Are they?  Explain how a fetus can survive without a woman's body?
>
> It's irrelevant and that argument relies on the false premise that the
> fetus is part of the woman.

That is just a bullshit strawman. MY 'premise' (as opposed to your
strawman claim) is that survival of the fetus depends on the placenta!

It's not. Scientifically, logically and
> biologically the fetus is growing inside of the woman but not part of
> the woman...

Yawn. You're answering your own strawman and not anything I wrote

in spades because the genetic code of a fetus is unique,
> not *shared* with the woman as it would be if the fetus was part of the
> woman.

More strawman answering on your part......

> This is an undisputed scientific and biological fact.

So? Who, other than you, (and that idiot Max who clearly has no idea
about human DNA) even mentioned DNA of the fetus.

>> Explain why any male has any logical, scientific or biological say in
>> what decisions a woman makes about whether she carries a fetus to term?
>>
>
> Without the male there wouldn't be a fetus. And see above.

So do explain how a male can get the fetus to term without a woman's
body being involved?

On 28/06/2022 1:17 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 27/06/2022 10:22 am, Fran wrote:
>> On 27/06/2022 10:49 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 26/06/2022 5:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **Dunno about you, but, as a male, I have no right to tell a woman
>>>> what she may do with HER body. You should realise that giving birth
>>>> is one of the most deadly acts a woman can engage in.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/mothers-babies/maternal-deaths-in-australia/contents/maternal-deaths-in-australia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In any case, I fully respect a woman's right not to have an
>>>> abortion, if she wishes. Likewise, I respect a woman's right to have
>>>> a safe abortion, should she wish.
>>>>
>>>> And again: Assuming you are a male, then you can stick your opinion
>>>> where the Sun don't shine. This is a woman's choice, not a male's.
>>>
>>> But to play devil's advocate, the woman is making a choice on behalf
>>> of a life that's *not* hers.
>>
>> That just a good example of the pot calling the kettle black and
>> conveniently ignoring a basic fact that a bunch of cells that can't
>> survive without a placenta is no more a 'life' than a tumour.
>
> You're getting even more irrational, ridiculous and illogical to make
> that comparison.

Failure to answer noted.

>  If you
>> are going to whine about the woman making such a choice then you
>> should be whining about males (such as yourself) trying to make
>> decisions for woman.  In fact it's even worse than that, it's about
>> imposing decisons on woman.
>>
>>
>
> Actually no, because I said I was playing devils advocate and I'm *not*
> against abortions under certain circumstances. I'm presenting biological
> and scientific facts whilst your repeating the same nonsense because
> that is all you have to support your argument and so you can pretend
> that removing a fetus is not killing an unborn child. It very well is
> and you can present a valid argument *for* doing so under certain
> circumstances but don't be disingenuous and pretend that a fetus is part
> of the woman and just a bunch of cells as there is no scientific or
> biological basis of fact to that argument.

Could you please stop telling lies about what I write. You are obtuse,
incapable or reading for comprehension and yu constantly post strawmen.

I have NEVER claimed the fetus is part of the woman. That is your
strawman. I have also not claimed that a bunch of cells is not capable
of becoming a child.

I've got no idea about the source of your hysteria but get back to me
when you can post like an adult rather than a born again fundie.

On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 09:19:58 +1000, Ördög
<newsgroup.devil@hell.incorporated.biz> wrote:

> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> They can want all they like. It's not going to happen.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>> **Yep. The figures that came through today suggest that more than 50%
>> of Aussies report that they are non-Christians and 39% report no
>> religion.
>> Gotta be happy with that. I look forward to those numbers increasing
>> over the next few years.
>>
> I was just about to post that report, but you've now beaten me to it..
> Here is the ABC-article on this subject:
> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-28/census-2021-data-shows-a-changed-australia/101177152?utm_source=sfmc&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=abc_news_newsmail_am_sfmc&utm_term=&utm_id=1892131&sfmc_id=126532366>
>
> It looks like our Petz is going to be really-really unhappy about that
> news, although he surely will argue that this is just more fake news by
> the "communist" mainstream media.
> Sigh!

> I think rational and progressive people would all want to live in a 21st
> century society where women are equal to men in all aspects of their
> lives

Not even possible.

> and where everyone has the same right to have control over one's own
> body no matter what.

Some of us don't believe in murder for the convenience of the murderer.