br <automatic440@gmail.com> wrote
> Trevor Wilson wrote

>> So you say, but history proves you wrong (again):
>>
>> https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/how-australia-blew-its-future-gas-supplies-20170928-gyqg0f.html
>>
>> https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6027806/gas-crisis-is-partly-of-the-coalitions-own-making/
>>
>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2003-10-24/howard-hails-potential-gas-export-deal-with-china/1498650

> That SMH article by Tony Wright on its own is devastating.

Its just more mindless pig ignorant journo bullshit.

> Who are these government leaders,

No such animal.

> a bunch of international crooks

Nope.

> or just complete morons?

Nope.

> The fairest thing one could say is that theytruly believed "markets
> should rule"

There wouldn't be any govt controls if that was the case, stupid.

> rather than having the government acting inthe interests of the country
> and the people.

The interests of the country and the people depend on having exports,
stupid.

> Will we ever be rid of neoliberal market economics?

We aren't that stupid.

> Those contracts should be torn up.

We aren't that stupid.

Daniel65

> Ördög
>> Petz
>>> Ordog is just capable of lying bullshit.
>>
>> Yet, you have never been able to factually pin any lies on me,
>
> Hey!! Settle down, Ordog, Petzl isn't suggesting that you lied .... just
> that, like everyone, you are CAPABLE of lying!! ;-)
>
> Sure, he's never actually caught you lying, but that doesn't mean you
> are incapable!! ;-)
>
> Least that's the way I'm reading his response!!

You are too sympathetic with poor old inebriated Petz. You must be a
real softie at heart! ;P

But what you suggest is true. Manufacturing a lie is not hard; anyone
could do it, (even I could if I wanted to).
However, making lies stick is the high art of grift. And even eternal
master-grifters like Trump and political allies could fail on odd occasion.
But also no wonder, given Petz's lack of real talent, that he in
particular is failing at it all the time despite of trying so bloody hard.

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Daniel65

> Ördög >> Max
>>> Fran
>>>> Fuck you are dumb! I KNOW that a fetus AND a tumour BOTH have
>>>> human DNA.
>>>>
>>> They have different DNA, once is a mutated cancer, the other is a
>>> normal growing fetus which will become a baby.
>>>
>>> Have you ever seen a tumor become a baby?  I think not.
>>
>> Have you ever seen a still birth or any form other form of birth
>> defect? There are spontaneous mutations which are compatible with
>> life and there are ones which ain't. And that is the same at the
>> cellular level.
>
> If there weren't 'spontaneous mutations which are compatible with life",
> we would all look exactly the same as our brothers/sisters, which, with
> limited exceptions, we don't!!

Well, yes and no. You see, looks are what one calls phenotype, and that
depends on gene expression or suppression. Many mutations do not become
phenotypically apparent until generation F2. Given the size of the human
genome the possible phenotype variations are huge.

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Petz, the certifiable village idiot of aus.politics has declared

> Ördög >>> Fran is the "best" septic in this group>>>> Alas the village idiot
has no idea what "septic" in aus.politics usage>> means.>>> <reams of
your stinking shit flushed where it belongs>>>> Septic is for "septic tank"
Nice of you to try redefining the usage of this colloquialism.
Septic tank rhymes with YANK, ergo "septic" refers to the US.
But, of course you knew that, or should if you posted in a more sober
condition. GoonCon3 again?

> Fran and Ordogs head is so full of shit you duo know nothing!

YAWN!. As the official village idiot of this ng you have NO credibility
in uttering such judgements.

NOTE: your idiot sig is still not worth responding to.

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Max

> Under socialism, there is no reward for talent and effort.

BULLSHIT propaganda! Pure and simple. (Careful about those Reds under
your bed)

One can't reduce human existence to a pure monetary value, like rightard
hard capitalist try so hard to do.
For instance why else do multi-billionaires who can actually own
instantly every luxury the planet has on offer still crave for more
"rewards" in the form of pure political and cultural power over other
humans.

But hey. Don't let me stop you building and then attacking such
simpleton strawmen. However, don't imagine even for a moment that
readers of this newsgroup don't recognise what you are doing.

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On 3/07/2022 2:20 pm, Max wrote:
> On 3/07/2022 10:00 am, Ördög wrote:
>> Max
>>
>>> Fran
>>>> Fuck you are dumb! I KNOW that a fetus AND a tumour BOTH have human
>>>> DNA.
>>>>
>>> They have different DNA, once is a mutated cancer, the other is a
>>> normal growing fetus which will become a baby.
>>>
>>> Have you ever seen a tumor become a baby?  I think not.
>>
>> Have you ever seen a still birth or any form other form of birth defect?
>> There are spontaneous mutations which are compatible with life and
>> there are ones which ain't. And that is the same at the cellular level.
>>
>> Look, I do understand that you want so desperately to win this debate
>> here but if you do stay away from the science part. Stick to the your
>> "moral" (whatever that might might to you), social and legal
>> arguments. Of course, I also know why you have attempted to argue the
>> science angle: it is harder to refute than the subjective moral and
>> social ones.
>>
>> However! Progressive leftist like me or even political centrist like
>> Fran you will never convince of anything if you deny the women's full
>> autonomy over what happens to their bodies.
>>
>
> Why are you such a rabid, agressive lefie, always telling people to FOAD
> all the time?

Not 'ALL' the time. He does that only to low life scum who have no brains.
>
> Are you just nuts from posting in this newsgroup for so long?

On 3/07/2022 4:14 pm, Max wrote:
> On 3/07/2022 3:18 pm, Ördög wrote:
>> Max wrote:
>>> On 3/07/2022 10:00 am, Ördög wrote:
>>>> Max
>>>>
>>>>> Fran
>>>>>> Fuck you are dumb! I KNOW that a fetus AND a tumour BOTH have
>>>>>> human DNA.
>>>>>>
>>>>> They have different DNA, once is a mutated cancer, the other is a
>>>>> normal growing fetus which will become a baby.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you ever seen a tumor become a baby?  I think not.
>>>>
>>>> Have you ever seen a still birth or any form other form of birth
>>>> defect?
>>>> There are spontaneous mutations which are compatible with life and
>>>> there are ones which ain't. And that is the same at the cellular level.
>>>>
>>>> Look, I do understand that you want so desperately to win this
>>>> debate here but if you do stay away from the science part. Stick to
>>>> the your "moral" (whatever that might might to you), social and
>>>> legal arguments. Of course, I also know why you have attempted to
>>>> argue the science angle: it is harder to refute than the subjective
>>>> moral and social ones.
>>>>
>>>> However! Progressive leftist like me or even political centrist like
>>>> Fran you will never convince of anything if you deny the women's
>>>> full autonomy over what happens to their bodies.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why are you such a rabid, agressive lefie, always telling people to
>>> FOAD all the time?
>>
>> Did I?
>> Telling everyone?
>> C'me on.You do know or should know that is really NOT the case.
>>
>> But I fully admit, I am merciless towards aggressive and unrepentant
>> trolls, specially the 'know nothing about Australia' septic ones and
>> those home grown mis-educated, brain-washed/brain dead creeps who spew
>> mindless far-right and often religious loon propaganda into the
>> newsgroup rubbishing and abusing all who try to argue a more moderate
>> position while denying openly all facts and reality not supporting
>> their extremist causes.
>>
>> I shall never apologies for taking a far-left's position on cultural,
>> political and social issues. Someone has to put up the contrasting
>> opinions representing the Left into the public domain which is
>> currently so heavily overrun by hard-right/alt-right propaganda warriors.
>
> Would you like it if Labor was in power for the next 100 years?

LOL. Well Ordog, he still doesn't manage to understand you and your
politics.

On 3/07/2022 4:20 pm, Max wrote:
> On 3/07/2022 1:12 pm, Fran wrote:
>> On 2/07/2022 1:53 pm, Max wrote:
>>> On 2/07/2022 12:08 pm, Ördög wrote:
>>>> Max on his trolling tour of aus.politics.\
>>>>
>>>>> Ördög wrote:
>>>>>> Max just  keeps on trolling
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /Autosnip all virulent trolling crap/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /and snip some more manually/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 28/06/2022 10:29 am, Fran wrote:
>>>>>>>> That is just a bullshit strawman.  MY  'premise' (as opposed to
>>>>>>>> your strawman claim) is that survival of the fetus depends on
>>>>>>>> the placenta!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yawn.  You're answering your own strawman and not anything I wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More strawman answering on your part......
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So?  Who, other than you, (and that idiot Max who clearly has no
>>>>>>>> idea about human DNA) even mentioned DNA of the fetus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you seriously disputing the fact that a fetus has human DNA
>>>>>>> and a tumor does not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm. I don't see Fran disputing anything about DNA.
>>>>>> But you do!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously you don't understand that cancer cells also posses the
>>>>>> full genetic info of the host with some tiny but sadly very
>>>>>> significant point mutations that effects cell secretions, cell
>>>>>> division and cell life longevity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for confirming that the DNA of a tumor is different to the
>>>>> fetus.
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks for confirming your scientific semi literacy.
>>>>
>>>> Point mutations are also possible in the cells of a developing
>>>> fetus. What do you thinks birth defects and many of the spontaneous
>>>> miscarriages are due to, eh?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The difference between tumor DNA and fetus DNA would be clear to any
>>> scientist.
>>
>> Ordog IS a scientist!!!!!!!    He's given you all the information
>> needed to figure out how and why you are wrong.
>>
>>> Why are you even suggesting they could be the same, which is what
>>> Fran was disputing?
>>
>> Learn to read for comprehension as he did NOT not suggest they are the
>> same!!!!!!!
>> In short, both Ordog and I have told you (multiple times and in
>> multiple ways) that the DNA (ie the genetic material) in both a fetus
>> and a cancer/tumour is HUMAN but for some reason you seem to have
>> trouble accepting that applies. Neither Ordog nor myself said it's the
>> SAME DNA in both a fetus and/or a cancer because we both know that is
>> NOT possible  BUT it IS human DNA in both a fetus and a cancer/tumour.
>>
>
> The point is that a tumor can be identified as mutant by seeing that its
> DNA is different to fetus DNA.

Jesus wept. You still haven't learned a thing.

> So if a tumor was growing in the uterus you could quite easily identify
> it as not being a fetus and therefore cut it out and throw it in the
> hosptial incinerator.

Did you try to think that through before you posted that?

> If it is a fetus then you know it is a human life and you don't kill it.

All of us here understand your view.
> It really is that simple.  I'm amazed that people like you and Ordog
> can't see it this way.

Yes, I'm sure that Ordog understands how simple you are just as I do.
You're a fundie. You hold authoritarian views of what decisions women
should be allowed to make about reproduction.

> You are too busy thinking of the latest leftist bandwagon to jump on.

Yes, I do think. You should try it some time.

On 3/07/2022 8:32 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
> Ördög wrote on 3/7/22 10:12 am:
>> Daniel65
>>
>>> Max
>>>> Fran
>>>>> Max
>>>>>> Ördög
>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>> Fran
>>>>>>>>> That is just a bullshit strawman.  MY  'premise' (as
>>>>>>>>> opposed to your strawman claim) is that survival of the
>>>>>>>>> fetus depends on the placenta!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yawn.  You're answering your own strawman and not anything
>>>>>>>>> I wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> More strawman answering on your part......
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So?  Who, other than you, (and that idiot Max who clearly
>>>>>>>>> has no idea about human DNA) even mentioned DNA of the
>>>>>>>>> fetus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you seriously disputing the fact that a fetus has human
>>>>>>>> DNA and a tumor does not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmmm. I don't see Fran disputing anything about DNA. But you
>>>>>>> do!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obviously you don't understand that cancer cells also posses
>>>>>>> the full genetic info of the host with some tiny but sadly very
>>>>>>> significant point mutations that effects cell secretions, cell
>>>>>>> division and cell life longevity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for confirming that the DNA of a tumor is different to the
>>>>>> fetus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fuck you are dumb!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> He's confirming that the DNA of cells IS human but it's mutated.
>>>>> The clue is in Ordog's first sentence "cancer cells also possess
>>>>> the full genetic info OF THE HOST"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> So dumbo, if the host that has the cancer/tumour is a human, it's a
>>>>>  cancer/tumour that has HUMAN DNA.  Not duck DNA, not Babboon DNA
>>>>> or any other sort of DNA, it's human DNA.
>>>>
>>>> It is a different DNA to the host, otherwise it wouldn't be a mutant
>>>> tumor?
>>>>
>>>> One set of cells is growing into a baby, the other is growing into a
>>>>  disgusting mutant tumor.  Can you see the difference, or are you
>>>> totally thick between the ears ?!
>>>
>>> ... and what if it's the DNA of the unborn baby that has mutated due to
>>> the cancer/tumour??
>>
>> Hey Daniel, are you playing the "Devil's advocate here? He-he-he. ;)
>
> Thinking about it ... yes, I think I am.
>
>> Anyhow, I am greatly irritated when I see people trying to construct
>> crazy arguments based on their own misunderstanding of science when in
>> fact actually their actual aim is winning the subjective moral and
>> social debate on the issue of contention.
>
> UMMM!! Don't know if that's my aim or not ..... As I replied to Fran,
> not all babies are born, and not all are born 'perfect' whatever
> 'perfect' might mean.

Did you? I must go find that response from you.

Fran:

/snip for brevity/
> LOL.  Well Ordog, he still doesn't manage to understand you and your
> politics.

To be honest I have never expected that he could understand me, my
politics, nor the existing Australian political realities in general.

Ever since he started posting to this newsgroup I regarded him as a non
particularly clever right-wing troll who tries to provoke and then win
discussions on right-wing talking points. Sadly (for him) the more
silliness he posts the less luck he has in achieving this goal to his
own satisfaction.
To conclude, he is not as bright when it comes to selling his political
agenda as he imagines.

LOL indeed!

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On 3/07/2022 6:15 pm, Max wrote:
> On 3/07/2022 4:34 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> Petzl
>> Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
>> the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
>> Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
>> --
>> Petzl Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance,
>> and the gospel of envy, Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of
>> misery.
>
> This is so true.

LOL. Agreeing with the resident village idiot does you no favours. In
fact, your comment just further highlights your ignorance. The pretzel
know nothing about politics or political theory and clearly you don't
either.

Socialists want everyone to be dragged down to the
> level of the weakest people in society.

That viewpoint is 'socialism for simpletons'. Americans in particular
seem to love that viewpoint (which is no doubt why our resident village
idiot repeats it) but then given how they are brainwashed into thinking
that exploitation of anyone on a lower socio-economic rung should be
applauded, that is no surprise.

> Under socialism, there is no reward for talent and effort.

LOL.

Fran:

> Max

>> You are too busy thinking of the latest leftist bandwagon to jump on.

I don't need to jump on any leftist bandwagon, I am already an integral
part of that bandwagon! LOL!

> Yes, I do think.  You should try it some time.

Don't mock him Fran. Possibly he would if he could. Sadly I really doubt
that he has the ability to do so...

BTW he will never understand your politics either. If he could he would
never accuse you of jumping on "leftist" bandwagons.

It speak volumes of the sorry state of our current political landscape
that solid centrist politics is regularly regarded by many as part of
some imaginary extremist Left conspiracy.

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On 3/07/2022 9:14 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
> Ördög wrote on 3/7/22 10:32 am:
>> Petz, the certifiable village idiot has spoken
>>
>> /snip/
>>> Ordog is just capable of lying bullshit.
>>
>> Yet, you have never been able to factually pin any lies on me,
>
> Hey!! Settle down, Ordog, Petzl isn't suggesting that you lied .... just
> that, like everyone, you are CAPABLE of lying!! ;-)

Given pretzel's poor level of English expression (and comprehension and
everyhgint else requiring competence) I'd suspect that what pretzel
meant was that Ordog was only capable of telling lies. Our resident
village idiot says things about me that are always wrong, untrue or just
one of his weirdo fantasies. He does the same to Ordog and he did the
same to Dechucka when he was here too.

> Sure, he's never actually caught you lying, but that doesn't mean you
> are incapable!! ;-)
>
> Least that's the way I'm reading his response!!

I think you are being too kind. We all know how pretzel posts, cites
and fails to understand what he reads.

On 4/07/2022 9:01 am, br wrote:
> On 25/6/22 08:13, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
>
>> **So you say, but history proves you wrong (again):
>>
>> https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/how-australia-blew-its-future-gas-supplies-20170928-gyqg0f.html
>>
>>
>> https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6027806/gas-crisis-is-partly-of-the-coalitions-own-making/
>>
>>
>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2003-10-24/howard-hails-potential-gas-export-deal-with-china/1498650
>>
>
> That SMH article by Tony Wright on its own is devastating.
>
> Who are these government leaders, a bunch of international crooks or
> just complete morons?

Some of each. IMO, Howard was a moron for how he went about looking
after Australian interests but he was absolutely brilliant at political
hoodwinking. He wasted years of good times in our economy and he
encouraged all of the crooks in the LNP that came after him (even though
I don't think he was personally corrupt in any major way [other than
taking up residence in a harbour-side mansion when he should have lived
in Canberra], just not all that competent in any arena other than to be
a brilliant political hoodwinker).
>
> The fairest thing one could say is that they truly believed "markets
> should rule" rather than having the government acting in the interests
> of the country and the people.
>
> Will we ever be rid of neoliberal market economics?
>
> Those contracts should be torn up.

Yep.

On 4/07/2022 11:14 am, Ördög wrote:
> Fran:
>
>> Max
>
>>> You are too busy thinking of the latest leftist bandwagon to jump on.
>
> I don't need to jump on any leftist bandwagon, I am already an integral
> part of that bandwagon! LOL!
>
>> Yes, I do think.  You should try it some time.
>
> Don't mock him Fran.

Aw!!!! Killjoy!

Possibly he would if he could. Sadly I really doubt
> that he has the ability to do so...
>
> BTW he will never understand your politics either. If he could he would
> never accuse you of jumping on "leftist" bandwagons.

:-)))))

> It speak volumes of the sorry state of our current political landscape
> that solid centrist politics is regularly regarded by many as part of
> some imaginary extremist Left conspiracy.

I'd be more leftie if I could manage it. I still can't bring myself to
contemplate the Greens in a serious way after their cock up about the
environment bills all those years ago! 'Something' was better than
nothing and yet they sided with 'nothing'. The bloody muppets!

Sadly, you would not be at all surprised at how high my score of
agreeing with LNP views were on the 'VoteCompass' survey during the
recent election. And no, I won't tell you how high that score was as I
felt embarrassed about it at the time.

On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 08:47:18 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> respewed mindless yankee bullshit
>
>>>> Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
>
>>> Bullshit.
>
>>>> the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
>
>>> More mindless bullshit.
>
>>>> Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
>
>>> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
>
>>> No misery involved with Medicare instead of an insurance system.
>
>> Always had medical insurance,
>
>More fool you at that age.
>
>> before Medicare (1984) no queues in waiting rooms,
>
>BULLSHIT.
>
The Doctors in Sydney were at the front door to welcome you in
>
>> cost of insurance real low
>
>BULLSHIT.
>
I can't remember actual price but around $30 a month top cover.
>
>> now a pricey near broken scam.
>
>Because we can do far more medically than we used to in those days.
>
>If you had heart attack, you get to die.
>
Well even in a emergency to a public hospital I get a private room and
best surgeons, best treatment, best food, best looking nurses.
>
>> The hospitals over flowing
>
>They did during the spanish flu too.
>
Only in the public rooms.
>
>> and run like a battle ground.
>
>BULLSHIT.
>
Nope, broke my leg first they took me from Campbelltown (full) to
Liverpool by ambulance. the first room sent too had a hundred others
all in beds, no curtains definitly a war zone.
Before Medicare they just didn't have the same numbers.
Once checked for surgery were sent to private room TV, Telephone and
food.
>
>Pity about the roads, airports, cops, defense of the country, electricity,
>gas, schools, postal service etc etc etc, ALL due to socialism.
>
Power, gas was by private enterprise, once power came to Sydney jobs
boomed in making related devices, like ovens, radios, irons, cars,
etc.
--
Petzl
WARNING
Drunks Homosexuals Adulters Liars Fornicators Thieves Atheists
Idolaters
HELL AWAITS YOU
REPENT!
[Then the way out New Testament]
Only Jesus Saves

Jesus Christ as the only way to heaven (John 10:28)

Ördög <newsgroup.devil@hell.incorporated.biz> wrote
> Max wrote

>> Would you like it if Labor was in power for the next 100 years?
>
> It could not be worse than having the LNP in power for the next 100
> years.
>
> But in any case, just to clarify: I am no mindless Labor party
> supporter. I do not usually support parties which tolerate and/or
> implement ruthless right-wing policies, not even Labor!
> It is quite another matter, how I vote at elections as I usually cast my
> vote very tactically in order to maximize the damage to the far right in
> every possible aspect of its existence.

Your personal vote is always completely irrelevant, no seat is ever
just one vote in the balance.

> Hint: as a communist I can live with a properly functioning progressive
> mild capitalist social democracy as the socio- and econopolitical system
> of governance in a country (if I must).

> But capitalist-conservative-libertarian, neo-liberal/neocon and/or
> religious fundamentalist hard-right nepotistic corporate plutocracies I
> find intolerable and quite unfit for continuing human existence on this
> planet.

But never have any way of stopping that.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> respewed mindless yankee bullshit

>>>>> Socialism is a philosophy of failure,

>>>> Bullshit.

>>>>> the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,

>>>> More mindless bullshit.

>>>>> Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

>>>> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

>>>> No misery involved with Medicare instead of an insurance system.

>>> Always had medical insurance,

>> More fool you at that age.

>>> before Medicare (1984) no queues in waiting rooms,

>> BULLSHIT.

> The Doctors in Sydney were at the front door to welcome you in

BULLSHIT and I did use doctors in sydney for years.

>>> cost of insurance real low

>> BULLSHIT.

> I can't remember actual price but around $30 a month top cover.

BULLSHIT and that wasnt real low at the time anyway.

>>> now a pricey near broken scam.

>> Because we can do far more medically than we used to in those days.

>> If you had heart attack, you get to die.

> Well even in a emergency to a public hospital I get a private room and
> best surgeons, best treatment, best food, best looking nurses.

BULLSHIT and you get to pay very big out of pocket costs too.

>>> The hospitals over flowing

>> They did during the spanish flu too.

> Only in the public rooms.

BULLSHIT

>>> and run like a battle ground.

>> BULLSHIT.

> Nope,

Yep.

> broke my leg first they took me from Campbelltown (full) to
> Liverpool by ambulance. the first room sent too had a hundred others
> all in beds, no curtains definitly a war zone.

Didn't get anything like that with my heart attack, Bell's Palsy
or the massively painful stomach pain they fixed very quickly
or with the very serious eye injury, with no health insurance
at all. And while we do have a private hospital, St Vincents,
they dont do broken legs or broken anything else either so you
get to fuck off to Wagga by ambulance, just like everyone else.

> Before Medicare they just didn't have the same numbers.

Only because they just yawned if you had a heart attack,
stroke, needed a hip or knee replacement etc etc etc.

> Once checked for surgery were sent to private room

Not here you wouldn't be even if you have full health cover.

> TV, Telephone and food.

You get all that for free with no health insurance.

And free air ambulance to sydney in my case too.

>> Pity about the roads, airports, cops, defense of the country,
>> electricity,
>> gas, schools, postal service etc etc etc, ALL due to socialism.

> Power, gas was by private enterprise,

BULLSHIT

> once power came to Sydney jobs
> boomed in making related devices, like ovens, radios, irons, cars,
> etc.

But the power was provided by SOCIALISM.

So were the roads, ports, airports, ferrys, trains,
cops, courts and some of the banks. etc etc etc.

On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 14:35:47 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> respewed mindless yankee bullshit
>
>>>>>> Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>
>>>>>> the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
>
>>>>> More mindless bullshit.
>
>>>>>> Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
>
>>>>> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
>
>>>>> No misery involved with Medicare instead of an insurance system.
>
>>>> Always had medical insurance,
>
>>> More fool you at that age.
>
>>>> before Medicare (1984) no queues in waiting rooms,
>
>>> BULLSHIT.
>
>> The Doctors in Sydney were at the front door to welcome you in
>
>BULLSHIT and I did use doctors in sydney for years.
>
I were in Sydney's CBD at time

>>>> cost of insurance real low
>
>>> BULLSHIT.
>
>> I can't remember actual price but around $30 a month top cover.
>
>BULLSHIT and that wasnt real low at the time anyway.
>
It was, I joined the Gov Employment insurance

>>>> now a pricey near broken scam.
>
>>> Because we can do far more medically than we used to in those days.
>
>>> If you had heart attack, you get to die.
>
>> Well even in a emergency to a public hospital I get a private room and
>> best surgeons, best treatment, best food, best looking nurses.
>
>BULLSHIT and you get to pay very big out of pocket costs too.
>
Only after Medicare, before that no extra costs. Completly covered by
insurance, which is now a corrupt scam.

>>>> The hospitals over flowing
>
>>> They did during the spanish flu too.
>
>> Only in the public rooms.
>
>BULLSHIT
>
Fact. before I were sent to my private room were sent to some squalid
spot in the public area, once my insurance got confirmed went to first
class.

>>>> and run like a battle ground.
>
>>> BULLSHIT.
>
>> Nope,
>
>Yep.

Liverpool was.
>
>> broke my leg first they took me from Campbelltown (full) to
>> Liverpool by ambulance. the first room sent too had a hundred others
>> all in beds, no curtains definitly a war zone.
>
>Didn't get anything like that with my heart attack, Bell's Palsy
>or the massively painful stomach pain they fixed very quickly
>or with the very serious eye injury, with no health insurance
>at all. And while we do have a private hospital, St Vincents,
>they dont do broken legs or broken anything else either so you
>get to fuck off to Wagga by ambulance, just like everyone else.
>
Emergency with broken bones all go to emergency.
Once you are diagnosed and insurance confirmed you go to private
public room.

>> Before Medicare they just didn't have the same numbers.
>
>Only because they just yawned if you had a heart attack,
>stroke, needed a hip or knee replacement etc etc etc.
>
yes unless you were private insured

>> Once checked for surgery were sent to private room
>
>Not here you wouldn't be even if you have full health cover.
>
Called Public Private, you can stay in a public hospital with prate
rooms and choice of doctor.

>> TV, Telephone and food.
>
>You get all that for free with no health insurance.
>
Initially I with lots of others were parked in hallways

>And free air ambulance to sydney in my case too.
>
>>> Pity about the roads, airports, cops, defense of the country,
>>> electricity,
>>> gas, schools, postal service etc etc etc, ALL due to socialism.
>
>> Power, gas was by private enterprise,
>
>BULLSHIT
>
yes in Sydney

>> once power came to Sydney jobs
>> boomed in making related devices, like ovens, radios, irons, cars,
>> etc.
>
>But the power was provided by SOCIALISM.
>
No a deal between the movers and shakers, plus private investment

>So were the roads, ports, airports, ferrys, trains,
>cops, courts and some of the banks. etc etc etc.
>
The Fire engines were funded by insurance, much of everything else was
push by pravate investment.

It was Labore that opposed a VFT even when private enterprise in the
1980's were willing to fully pay for a link between Sydney/Melbourne
and back at no cost to the tax payer!
--
Petzl
The Greens have never done anything worthwhile to this country.
All they are known for is being an arm of the ALP and handing them and
vice versa, preferences at election time.

On Monday, 4 July 2022 at 06:31:49 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> > Max wrote
> >> Petzl wrote
> >>> Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
> >>> the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
> >>> Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
>
> >> This is so true. Socialists want everyone to be dragged down to the
> >> level of the weakest people in society.
>
> > So capitalism is bullying and piracy.
> Nope, the most effective way of producing what matters to most of us.

The most callous way of enriching some devils.

> >> Under socialism, there is no reward for talent and effort.

On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 18:52:45 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, 4 July 2022 at 06:31:49 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> > Max wrote
>> >> Petzl wrote
>> >>> Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
>> >>> the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
>> >>> Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
>>
>> >> This is so true. Socialists want everyone to be dragged down to the
>> >> level of the weakest people in society.
>>
>> > So capitalism is bullying and piracy.
>> Nope, the most effective way of producing what matters to most of us.
>
> The most callous way of enriching some devils.

Nothing callous about how computers, cars, planes, social media,
financial services etc etc were all delivered.

>> >> Under socialism, there is no reward for talent and effort.

On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 17:12:38 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 14:35:47 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> respewed mindless yankee bullshit
>>
>>>>>>> Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
>>
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>
>>>>>>> the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
>>
>>>>>> More mindless bullshit.
>>
>>>>>>> Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
>>
>>>>>> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
>>
>>>>>> No misery involved with Medicare instead of an insurance system.
>>
>>>>> Always had medical insurance,
>>
>>>> More fool you at that age.
>>
>>>>> before Medicare (1984) no queues in waiting rooms,
>>
>>>> BULLSHIT.
>>
>>> The Doctors in Sydney were at the front door to welcome you in
>>
>> BULLSHIT and I did use doctors in sydney for years.

> I were in Sydney's CBD at time

And you managed to show up at a newby GP or one
so bad that no one was ever silly out to use twice.

>>>>> cost of insurance real low
>>
>>>> BULLSHIT.
>>
>>> I can't remember actual price but around $30 a month top cover.
>>
>> BULLSHIT and that wasnt real low at the time anyway.

> It was,

Bullshit.

> I joined the Gov Employment insurance

No such animal.

>>>>> now a pricey near broken scam.
>>
>>>> Because we can do far more medically than we used to in those days.
>>
>>>> If you had heart attack, you get to die.
>>
>>> Well even in a emergency to a public hospital I get a private room and
>>> best surgeons, best treatment, best food, best looking nurses.
>>
>> BULLSHIT and you get to pay very big out of pocket costs too.

> Only after Medicare, before that no extra costs. Completly covered by
> insurance, which is now a corrupt scam.

Nope, what they have to do when the govt doesn't allow
them ot charge premiums that cover their costs.

>>>>> The hospitals over flowing
>>
>>>> They did during the spanish flu too.
>>
>>> Only in the public rooms.
>>
>> BULLSHIT

> Fact.

BULLSHIT

> before I were sent to my private room were sent to some squalid
> spot in the public area, once my insurance got confirmed went to first
> class.

That wasnt the spanish flu, stupid.

>>>>> and run like a battle ground.
>>
>>>> BULLSHIT.
>>
>>> Nope,
>>
>> Yep.
>
> Liverpool was.

BULLSHIT

>>> broke my leg first they took me from Campbelltown (full) to
>>> Liverpool by ambulance. the first room sent too had a hundred others
>>> all in beds, no curtains definitly a war zone.
>>
>> Didn't get anything like that with my heart attack, Bell's Palsy
>> or the massively painful stomach pain they fixed very quickly
>> or with the very serious eye injury, with no health insurance
>> at all. And while we do have a private hospital, St Vincents,
>> they dont do broken legs or broken anything else either so you
>> get to fuck off to Wagga by ambulance, just like everyone else.

> Emergency with broken bones all go to emergency.
> Once you are diagnosed and insurance confirmed you go to private
> public room.

Not here.

>>> Before Medicare they just didn't have the same numbers.
>>
>> Only because they just yawned if you had a heart attack,
>> stroke, needed a hip or knee replacement etc etc etc.

> yes unless you were private insured

Even when you were.

>>> Once checked for surgery were sent to private room
>>
>> Not here you wouldn't be even if you have full health cover.

> Called Public Private, you can stay in a public hospital with prate
> rooms and choice of doctor.

Nope, ours doesnt have any private rooms except for the very infectious
and there are no doctors that do broken bones either.

>>> TV, Telephone and food.
>>
>> You get all that for free with no health insurance.

> Initially I with lots of others were parked in hallways

Never happens here.

>> And free air ambulance to sydney in my case too.
>>
>>>> Pity about the roads, airports, cops, defense of the country,
>>>> electricity,
>>>> gas, schools, postal service etc etc etc, ALL due to socialism.
>>
>>> Power, gas was by private enterprise,
>>
>> BULLSHIT
>>
> yes in Sydney

Nope.

>>> once power came to Sydney jobs
>>> boomed in making related devices, like ovens, radios, irons, cars,
>>> etc.
>>
>> But the power was provided by SOCIALISM.

> No a deal between the movers and shakers, plus private investment

Bullshit.

>> So were the roads, ports, airports, ferrys, trains,
>> cops, courts and some of the banks. etc etc etc.

> The Fire engines were funded by insurance,

Nope, by govt.

> much of everything else was push by pravate investment.

Bullshit.

> It was Labore that opposed a VFT even when private enterprise in the
> 1980's were willing to fully pay for a link between Sydney/Melbourne
> and back at no cost to the tax payer!

That last is a bare faced pig ignorant lie. They demanded and didn't
get the stupid tax break they demanded.

On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 20:11:22 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>> It was Labore that opposed a VFT even when private enterprise in the
>> 1980's were willing to fully pay for a link between Sydney/Melbourne
>> and back at no cost to the tax payer!
>
>That last is a bare faced pig ignorant lie. They demanded and didn't
>get the stupid tax break they demanded.
>
Here's a conclusion from 1991 ocr'ed fro, newspaper

I THE LAST LUNCHEON: Alan Castleman, the VFT project chief, reflects
on what might have been before a last luncheon with staff yesterday.
By IAN DAVIS,
Finance Editor
The Very Fast Train closes its project office in Canberra today,
ending any immediate prospects that the visionary S10 billion rail
link between Sydney, Canberra and Melbourne will proceed. The VFT
consortium chief executive, Alan Castleman, a BHP senior executive on
secondment to the project, who will return to a new position with the
Big Australian once he has finished folding the tent for the project,
proclaims himself "not gloomy" about what has happened, but admits to
being somewhat frustrated.
Mr Castleman has no doubts about what has killed the project off — at
least for the time being. "Lack of commitment. They [the Government]
didn't try and a way through the problems,*' he says. "In this
country we are too problem oriented. As a nation we are too inclined
to look at the problems rather than the solutions," he says.
Mr Castleman says government refusal to give any concrete support for
the concept has killed the project off before it was possible to know
whether it was feasible.
Mr Castleman says it was not just tax issues which killed the project.
Equally important was the inability of the four governments — NSW,
ACT, Victoria and the ACT — to agree on the process for getting
approvals.
There were, he says, elements of support and opposition to the project
in all governments but in none of the four governments with which the
project dealt was the balance so overwhelmingly in favour of the
project and so constructive in its approach as it was in the ACT.

However, Mr Castleman strongly criticised the Federal Treasury for its
narrow, tax-oriented views. Treasury lacked any ability to consider
the wider macro-economic consequences of projects and their long-term
effect on government revue and the economy generally. Mr Castleman
rejects suggestions that reluctance by three of the consortium's four
members — Elders (now called Fosters Brewing), TNT and Kumagai Gumi —
to proceed with funding the project was at least as important as the
Government's refusal to find solutions to the tax disincentives faced
by large-scale projects in Australia and the lack of any agreed
decision-making process for a major project requiring agreement from
four governments. "We told the Government that when we got agreement
[from them) we would get the {new] partners. Potential partners would
not commit themselves until there was a clear path ahead."
--
Petzl

The entire Parliament was sacked,for treason under Whitlam
Constitutionally Parties are not recognised. So when a Government was
found to be removing ties to USA and Britain's orbit moving towards
that of the Communist and Third World powers, with strong support for
the "Arab lobby", Britain and USA would of found that treachery.

Arab financiers offered lower interest rates on governmental loans
than US banks/financiers. The Middle East at the time was awash with
"petro-dollars", as the price of oil quadrupled between 1973 and 1974.
Whitlam allowed Saudi Arabs to build a Mosque in Sydney/Lakemba.
Whitlam was a immoral communist working to remove ties to USA and
Britain's orbit moving towards that of the Communist and Third World
powers, with strong support for the "Arab lobby".
https://is.gd/IzhkxL

Whitlam did not want anti-communists to settle in Australia,
irrespective of whether they were genuine asylum seekers. Here his
stance differed from the position he took following the overthrow of
Salvador Allende's left-wing government in Chile in 1973.

Whitlam said on the ABC that Australia did not want “another
­reactionary right-wing minority”. Foreign minister Don Willesee
pleaded with him to take more. Whitlam replied: “I’m not having those
f..king Vietnamese Balts coming into this country with their religious
and political prejudices against us.”

Whitlam opposed the entry of Vietnamese refugees, saying they stirred
no sympathy in him. He added: “There will be some resentment about the
people coming to Australia at a time of unemployment, and also people
from a very different way of life.”

In other words, Whitlam consciously stirred up ethnic and racial
prejudice against Vietnamese ­because he thought they might be
politically hostile to Labor.

On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 20:22:17 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 20:11:22 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> It was Labore that opposed a VFT even when private enterprise in the
>>> 1980's were willing to fully pay for a link between Sydney/Melbourne
>>> and back at no cost to the tax payer!
>>
>> That last is a bare faced pig ignorant lie. They demanded and didn't
>> get the stupid tax break they demanded.
>>
> Here's a conclusion from 1991 ocr'ed fro, newspaper

Just because some fuckwit journo claims something...

> I THE LAST LUNCHEON: Alan Castleman, the VFT project chief, reflects
> on what might have been before a last luncheon with staff yesterday.

Wota stunningly impartial source...

> By IAN DAVIS,
> Finance Editor
> The Very Fast Train closes its project office in Canberra today,
> ending any immediate prospects that the visionary S10 billion rail
> link between Sydney, Canberra and Melbourne will proceed. The VFT
> consortium chief executive, Alan Castleman, a BHP senior executive on
> secondment to the project, who will return to a new position with the
> Big Australian once he has finished folding the tent for the project,
> proclaims himself "not gloomy" about what has happened, but admits to
> being somewhat frustrated.

> Mr Castleman has no doubts about what has killed the project off — at
> least for the time being. "Lack of commitment. They [the Government]
> didn't try and a way through the problems,*' he says.

In fact they weren't actually stupid enough to hand you the tax break you
demanded.

> "In this
> country we are too problem oriented. As a nation we are too inclined
> to look at the problems rather than the solutions," he says.

More mindless bullshit. We did the Snowy Scheme because it made sense,
fuckwit.

Your scam never did.

> Mr Castleman says government refusal to give any concrete support for
> the concept

Refused to hand you the tax break you demanded in fact.

> has killed the project off before it was possible to know
> whether it was feasible.

BULLSHIT.

> Mr Castleman says it was not just tax issues which killed the project.

BULLSHIT.

> Equally important was the inability of the four governments — NSW,
> ACT, Victoria and the ACT — to agree on the process for getting
> approvals.

Even more flagrantly dishonest.

> There were, he says, elements of support and opposition to the project
> in all governments but in none of the four governments with which the
> project dealt was the balance so overwhelmingly in favour of the
> project and so constructive in its approach as it was in the ACT.

None of those govts would be handing out our tax money, fuckwit.

> However, Mr Castleman strongly criticised the Federal Treasury for its
> narrow, tax-oriented views. Treasury lacked any ability to consider
> the wider macro-economic consequences of projects and their long-term
> effect on government revue and the economy generally.

More utterly mindless bullshit.

> Mr Castleman
> rejects suggestions that reluctance by three of the consortium's four
> members — Elders (now called Fosters Brewing), TNT and Kumagai Gumi —
> to proceed with funding the project was at least as important as the
> Government's refusal to find solutions to the tax disincentives faced
> by large-scale projects in Australia and the lack of any agreed
> decision-making process for a major project requiring agreement from
> four governments. "We told the Government that when we got agreement
> [from them) we would get the {new] partners. Potential partners would
> not commit themselves until there was a clear path ahead."

And no one was silly enough to buy that mindless bullshit.

On Monday, 4 July 2022 at 20:02:07 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 18:52:45 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, 4 July 2022 at 06:31:49 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> > Max wrote
> >> >> Petzl wrote
> >> >>> Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
> >> >>> the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
> >> >>> Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
> >>
> >> >> This is so true. Socialists want everyone to be dragged down to the
> >> >> level of the weakest people in society.
> >>
> >> > So capitalism is bullying and piracy.
> >> Nope, the most effective way of producing what matters to most of us.
> >
> > The most callous way of enriching some devils.
> Nothing callous about how computers, cars, planes, social media,
> financial services etc etc were all delivered.

Based upon bloodsucking: slavery, genocide, invasions, lies, pollution, inequalities...
Devils need capitalism. The successful pirate further profits by hiring talents from the impoverished and deprived.
Those talents creating stuff provide the mask for the devils.
Some lazy suckup wannabes get rich from trickle down.
Media, pols, academics, etc.

> >> >> Under socialism, there is no reward for talent and effort.