M5.6, M1.55, M1.17

5.6+1.55+1.17=8.32

8.32/3=2.773333333

2.773333333-e=0.05505150487

0.05505150487*2022=111.3141429

On Thu, 19 May 2022 22:32:43 +1000, Daniel65
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

>Petzl wrote on 17/5/22 10:38 pm:
>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 10:12:33 GMT, Whatawonderfulworld <Foo@Foobar.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Oliver Closeoff <commonsense@nospam.org> wrote in news:jeh5g7F97dtU2
>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:41:20 +1000, Trevor Wilson posted:-
>>>>
>>>>> **Yep. You know, I felt, for a long time, that Abbott was the worst
>>>>> PM this nation has ever had. I am seriously considering a revision of
>>>>> that opinion.
>>>>
>>>> You really need to. Shitlam was by far the worst.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I thought John Gordon was a seemingly nice guy, but was pretty useless.
>>>
>>> And i thought Harold Holt only ever did one good thing.
>>>
>> Yes he drowned
>>
>.... and there's a municipal swimming pool in Melbourne's S-E Suburbs
>named after Harold Holt!!
>
>https://www.google.com/maps/place/Harold+Holt+Swim+Centre/@-37.8580674,145.0424566,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x6ad64200a46b0c21:0xc2d0d8a9cfc2d259!8m2!3d-37.8580674!4d145.0446453
>
Sydney Marrickville has one for Shitlam!
<https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gough+Whitlam+Park/@-33.9238194,151.1510602,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xf017d68f9f0fd10!8m2!3d-33.9238194!4d151.1510602>
https://tinyurl.com/y4udq38a
--
Petzl

The entire Parliament was sacked,for treason under Whitlam
Constitutionally Parties are not recognised. So when a Government was
found to be removing ties to USA and Britain's orbit moving towards
that of the Communist and Third World powers, with strong support for
the "Arab lobby", Britain and USA would of found that treachery.

Arab financiers offered lower interest rates on governmental loans
than US banks/financiers. The Middle East at the time was awash with
"petro-dollars", as the price of oil quadrupled between 1973 and 1974.
Whitlam allowed Saudi Arabs to build a Mosque in Sydney/Lakemba.
Whitlam was a immoral communist working to remove ties to USA and
Britain's orbit moving towards that of the Communist and Third World
powers, with strong support for the "Arab lobby".
https://is.gd/IzhkxL

Whitlam did not want anti-communists to settle in Australia,
irrespective of whether they were genuine asylum seekers. Here his
stance differed from the position he took following the overthrow of
Salvador Allende's left-wing government in Chile in 1973.

Whitlam said on the ABC that Australia did not want “another
­reactionary right-wing minority”. Foreign minister Don Willesee
pleaded with him to take more. Whitlam replied: “I’m not having those
f..king Vietnamese Balts coming into this country with their religious
and political prejudices against us.”

Whitlam opposed the entry of Vietnamese refugees, saying they stirred
no sympathy in him. He added: “There will be some resentment about the
people coming to Australia at a time of unemployment, and also people
from a very different way of life.”

In other words, Whitlam consciously stirred up ethnic and racial
prejudice against Vietnamese ­because he thought they might be
politically hostile to Labor.

On Fri, 20 May 2022 07:43:07 +1000, Petzl posted:-

> On Thu, 19 May 2022 22:32:43 +1000, Daniel65
> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>
> >Petzl wrote on 17/5/22 10:38 pm:
> >> On Tue, 17 May 2022 10:12:33 GMT, Whatawonderfulworld
> >> <Foo@Foobar.com> wrote:
> >>> Oliver Closeoff <commonsense@nospam.org> wrote in
> >>> news:jeh5g7F97dtU2 @mid.individual.net:
> >>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:41:20 +1000, Trevor Wilson posted:-
> >>>>
> >>>>> **Yep. You know, I felt, for a long time, that Abbott was the
> >>>>> worst PM this nation has ever had. I am seriously considering a
> >>>>> revision of that opinion.
> >>>>
> >>>> You really need to. Shitlam was by far the worst.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I thought John Gordon was a seemingly nice guy, but was pretty
> >>> useless.
> >>>
> >>> And i thought Harold Holt only ever did one good thing.
> >>>
> >> Yes he drowned
> >>
> >.... and there's a municipal swimming pool in Melbourne's S-E
> >Suburbs named after Harold Holt!!
> >
> >https://www.google.com/maps/place/Harold+Holt+Swim+Centre/@-37.8580674,145.0424566,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x6ad64200a46b0c21:0xc2d0d8a9cfc2d259!8m2!3d-37.8580674!4d145.0446453
> >
> Sydney Marrickville has one for Shitlam!
> <https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gough+Whitlam+Park/@-33.9238194,151.1510602,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xf017d68f9f0fd10!8m2!3d-33.9238194!4d151.1510602>
> https://tinyurl.com/y4udq38a
>
Then this in Liverpool for Shitlam
https://www.whitlamleisurecentre.com.au/

https://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/contact-us

Interesting... would be expect Hanson to challenge this, she would have
more plague rats in her ranks.
So is Ryan worried that more of her supporters caught rona, or that sick
Liberal voters will just go and vote anyway?

Oliver Closeoff <commonsense@nospam.org> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Oliver Closeoff <commonsense@nospam.org> wrote
>> > Rod Speed wrote
>> >> Oliver Closeoff <commonsense@nospam.org> wrote
>> >> > Rod Speed wrote
>> >> >> Oliver Closeoff <commonsense@nospam.org> wrote
>> >> >>> Rod Speed wrote
>>
>> >> >>>> Not even possible with an iphone.
>>
>> >> >>> iPhones lump of shit, hackers can nowhack them even when not
>> >> >>> turned on.
>>
>> >> >> More of your mindless pig ignorant shit and lies.
>>
>> >> > Let me educate you
>>
>> >> Your shit and lies never educates anyone.
>>
>> >>
>> https://www.vice.com/en/article/g5q4vj/malware-can-be-loaded-even-onto-phones-that-are-turned-off-researchers-show#:~:text=New%20iPhones%20can%20be%20located,could%20take%20advantage%20of%20that.
>> >>
>>
>> >> Just because some stupid lying fuckwit claims something...
>>
>> >> Pity about this bit
>>
>> >> the researchers point out in the paper, hackers
>> >> would need to first hack and jailbreak the iPhone
>>
>> >> Which isn't even possible with the iphone turned off FUCKWIT.
>>
>> > Of course not
>>
>> So it isnt even possible to load anything onto the iphone when its
>> off, fuckwit.

<reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
belongs>

>> >> to be able to access the Bluetooth chip and exploit it,

Oliver Closeoff <commonsense@nospam.org> wrote

> This tart should be certified and locked up in a mental institution.

We don't lock up loonys anymore. The worst of them end up in jail now.

> Are these the people who seriously believe they have the ability to
> manage Australia?

> "Lewis Carroll’s Alice in Wonderland depicts a “passive heroine” who is
> “denied her own feelings” in order to satisfy the “desiring male gaze”
> of her creator, according to Labor’s candidate for Victoria’s most
> marginal seat.

> Former academic, Victorian Trades Hall assistant secretary and Chisholm
> candidate Carina Garland wrote a journal article on “Gender, Desire,
> and Subjectivity in Lewis Carroll’s Alice Texts”, arguing that Carroll
> used his much-loved children’s books, Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland
> and Through the Looking Glass, to “revile” female sexuality and
> “idealise” female passivity.

> The protagonist of the books, Alice, is understood to have been seven
> in the first novel, and only six months older in the second, but Dr
> Garland draws upon Lacanian and Freudian theories relating to
> “castration”, “the phallus” and “vagina dentata” to make conclusions
> about Carroll’s “malicious” manipulation of his young heroine.

> Popularised by psychoanalysts including Sigmund Freud and Jacques
> Lacan, the motif of a “vagina with teeth” is used by literary and
> cultural theorists to symbolise male fears of castration and the
> dangers of sexual intercourse; the phallus is regarded as representing
> male control.

> “In Freudian terms, the Queen of Hearts’ tendency to scream ‘Off with
> their heads!’ can be read as a castration desire,” Dr Garland argues in
> her “feminist reading” of the 1865 and 1871 novels.

> “While my analysis does seek to move away from traditional Freudian
> interpretations, eliminating the phallus and emasculating Wonderland’s
> mostly male population is an important part in understanding the
> presence of vagina dentata within the text. This fear of castration is
> something Carroll associates with adult females in Wonderland while the
> emasculation of men is a frequent feature of the text."

> ROFLMAO. https://tny.im/8ObT6

Unlikely many of the votes even notice shit like that.

On Fri, 20 May 2022 07:43:07 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 May 2022 22:32:43 +1000, Daniel65
> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>
>> Petzl wrote on 17/5/22 10:38 pm:
>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 10:12:33 GMT, Whatawonderfulworld <Foo@Foobar.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Oliver Closeoff <commonsense@nospam.org> wrote in news:jeh5g7F97dtU2
>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:41:20 +1000, Trevor Wilson posted:-
>>>>>
>>>>>> **Yep. You know, I felt, for a long time, that Abbott was the worst
>>>>>> PM this nation has ever had. I am seriously considering a revision
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> that opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> You really need to. Shitlam was by far the worst.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I thought John Gordon was a seemingly nice guy, but was pretty
>>>> useless.
>>>>
>>>> And i thought Harold Holt only ever did one good thing.
>>>>
>>> Yes he drowned
>>>
>> .... and there's a municipal swimming pool in Melbourne's S-E Suburbs
>> named after Harold Holt!!
>>
>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Harold+Holt+Swim+Centre/@-37.8580674,145.0424566,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x6ad64200a46b0c21:0xc2d0d8a9cfc2d259!8m2!3d-37.8580674!4d145.0446453
>>
> Sydney Marrickville has one for Shitlam!
> <https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gough+Whitlam+Park/@-33.9238194,151.1510602,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xf017d68f9f0fd10!8m2!3d-33.9238194!4d151.1510602>
> https://tinyurl.com/y4udq38a

Not so silly as a pool named after the drowned Holt.

On Friday, 20 May 2022 at 06:16:02 UTC+10, Oliver Closeoff wrote:
> This tart should be certified and locked up in a mental institution.
> Are these the people who seriously believe they have the ability to
> manage Australia?
>
> "Lewis Carroll’s Alice in Wonderland depicts a “passive heroine” who is
> “denied her own feelings” in order to satisfy the “desiring male gaze”
> of her creator, according to Labor’s candidate for Victoria’s most
> marginal seat.
>
> Former academic, Victorian Trades Hall assistant secretary and Chisholm
> candidate Carina Garland wrote a journal article on “Gender, Desire,
> and Subjectivity in Lewis Carroll’s Alice Texts”, ­arguing that Carroll
> used his much-loved children’s books, Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland
> and Through the Looking Glass, to “revile” female sexuality and
> “idealise” female passivity.
>
> The protagonist of the books, Alice, is understood to have been seven
> in the first novel, and only six months older in the second, but Dr
> Garland draws upon Lacanian and Freudian theories relating to
> “castration”, “the phallus” and “vagina dentata” to make conclusions
> about Carroll’s “malicious” manipulation of his young heroine.
>
> Popularised by psychoanalysts including Sigmund Freud and Jacques
> Lacan, the motif of a “vagina with teeth” is used by literary and
> cultural theorists to symbolise male fears of castration and the
> dangers of sexual intercourse; the phallus is regarded as representing
> male control.
>
> “In Freudian terms, the Queen of Hearts’ tendency to scream ‘Off with
> their heads!’ can be read as a castration desire,” Dr Garland argues in
> her “feminist reading” of the 1865 and 1871 novels.
>
> “While my analysis does seek to move away from traditional Freudian
> interpretations, eliminating the phallus and emasculating Wonderland’s
> mostly male population is an important part in understanding the
> presence of vagina dentata within the text. This fear of castration is
> something Carroll associates with adult females in Wonderland while the
> emasculation of men is a frequent feature of the text."
>
> ROFLMAO. https://tny.im/8ObT6

True, these Marxist crazies have done the maximum harm to Labour allowing the Liberals to win, so thay are lying Liberals really in Labour garb.

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> Oliver Closeoff wrote

>> This tart should be certified and locked up in a mental institution.
>> Are these the people who seriously believe they have the ability to
>> manage Australia?
>>
>> "Lewis Carroll’s Alice in Wonderland depicts a “passive heroine” who is
>> “denied her own feelings” in order to satisfy the “desiring male gaze”
>> of her creator, according to Labor’s candidate for Victoria’s most
>> marginal seat.
>>
>> Former academic, Victorian Trades Hall assistant secretary and Chisholm
>> candidate Carina Garland wrote a journal article on “Gender, Desire,
>> and Subjectivity in Lewis Carroll’s Alice Texts”, arguing that Carroll
>> used his much-loved children’s books, Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland
>> and Through the Looking Glass, to “revile” female sexuality and
>> “idealise” female passivity.
>>
>> The protagonist of the books, Alice, is understood to have been seven
>> in the first novel, and only six months older in the second, but Dr
>> Garland draws upon Lacanian and Freudian theories relating to
>> “castration”, “the phallus” and “vagina dentata” to make conclusions
>> about Carroll’s “malicious” manipulation of his young heroine.
>>
>> Popularised by psychoanalysts including Sigmund Freud and Jacques
>> Lacan, the motif of a “vagina with teeth” is used by literary and
>> cultural theorists to symbolise male fears of castration and the
>> dangers of sexual intercourse; the phallus is regarded as representing
>> male control.
>>
>> “In Freudian terms, the Queen of Hearts’ tendency to scream ‘Off with
>> their heads!’ can be read as a castration desire,” Dr Garland argues in
>> her “feminist reading” of the 1865 and 1871 novels.
>>
>> “While my analysis does seek to move away from traditional Freudian
>> interpretations, eliminating the phallus and emasculating Wonderland’s
>> mostly male population is an important part in understanding the
>> presence of vagina dentata within the text. This fear of castration is
>> something Carroll associates with adult females in Wonderland while the
>> emasculation of men is a frequent feature of the text."
>>
>> ROFLMAO. https://tny.im/8ObT6

> True, these Marxist crazies

She isn't one of those, just another barking mad rabid feminist.

> have done the maximum harm to Labour allowing the Liberals to win,

> so thay are lying Liberals really in Labour garb.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something...

On Friday, 20 May 2022 at 09:18:04 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> > Oliver Closeoff wrote
>
> >> This tart should be certified and locked up in a mental institution.
> >> Are these the people who seriously believe they have the ability to
> >> manage Australia?
> >>
> >> "Lewis Carroll’s Alice in Wonderland depicts a “passive heroine” who is
> >> “denied her own feelings” in order to satisfy the “desiring male gaze”
> >> of her creator, according to Labor’s candidate for Victoria’s most
> >> marginal seat.
> >>
> >> Former academic, Victorian Trades Hall assistant secretary and Chisholm
> >> candidate Carina Garland wrote a journal article on “Gender, Desire,
> >> and Subjectivity in Lewis Carroll’s Alice Texts”, arguing that Carroll
> >> used his much-loved children’s books, Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland
> >> and Through the Looking Glass, to “revile” female sexuality and
> >> “idealise” female passivity.
> >>
> >> The protagonist of the books, Alice, is understood to have been seven
> >> in the first novel, and only six months older in the second, but Dr
> >> Garland draws upon Lacanian and Freudian theories relating to
> >> “castration”, “the phallus” and “vagina dentata” to make conclusions
> >> about Carroll’s “malicious” manipulation of his young heroine.
> >>
> >> Popularised by psychoanalysts including Sigmund Freud and Jacques
> >> Lacan, the motif of a “vagina with teeth” is used by literary and
> >> cultural theorists to symbolise male fears of castration and the
> >> dangers of sexual intercourse; the phallus is regarded as representing
> >> male control.
> >>
> >> “In Freudian terms, the Queen of Hearts’ tendency to scream ‘Off with
> >> their heads!’ can be read as a castration desire,” Dr Garland argues in
> >> her “feminist reading” of the 1865 and 1871 novels.
> >>
> >> “While my analysis does seek to move away from traditional Freudian
> >> interpretations, eliminating the phallus and emasculating Wonderland’s
> >> mostly male population is an important part in understanding the
> >> presence of vagina dentata within the text. This fear of castration is
> >> something Carroll associates with adult females in Wonderland while the
> >> emasculation of men is a frequent feature of the text."
> >>
> >> ROFLMAO. https://tny.im/8ObT6
>
> > True, these Marxist crazies
> She isn't one of those, just another barking mad rabid feminist.
> > have done the maximum harm to Labour allowing the Liberals to win,
>
> > so thay are lying Liberals really in Labour garb.
> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something...

No, Rod3po. These creatures deprive Labour of votes with their anti human Marxist propaganda, so they have to be closet Liberals.
Feminists of this rabid sort were responsible for Howard to get power by beating the family values drum.

On Friday, 20 May 2022 at 10:19:56 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Friday, 20 May 2022 at 09:18:04 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> > Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> > > Oliver Closeoff wrote
> >
> > >> This tart should be certified and locked up in a mental institution.
> > >> Are these the people who seriously believe they have the ability to
> > >> manage Australia?
> > >>
> > >> "Lewis Carroll’s Alice in Wonderland depicts a “passive heroine” who is
> > >> “denied her own feelings” in order to satisfy the “desiring male gaze”
> > >> of her creator, according to Labor’s candidate for Victoria’s most
> > >> marginal seat.
> > >>
> > >> Former academic, Victorian Trades Hall assistant secretary and Chisholm
> > >> candidate Carina Garland wrote a journal article on “Gender, Desire,
> > >> and Subjectivity in Lewis Carroll’s Alice Texts”, arguing that Carroll
> > >> used his much-loved children’s books, Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland
> > >> and Through the Looking Glass, to “revile” female sexuality and
> > >> “idealise” female passivity.
> > >>
> > >> The protagonist of the books, Alice, is understood to have been seven
> > >> in the first novel, and only six months older in the second, but Dr
> > >> Garland draws upon Lacanian and Freudian theories relating to
> > >> “castration”, “the phallus” and “vagina dentata” to make conclusions
> > >> about Carroll’s “malicious” manipulation of his young heroine.
> > >>
> > >> Popularised by psychoanalysts including Sigmund Freud and Jacques
> > >> Lacan, the motif of a “vagina with teeth” is used by literary and
> > >> cultural theorists to symbolise male fears of castration and the
> > >> dangers of sexual intercourse; the phallus is regarded as representing
> > >> male control.
> > >>
> > >> “In Freudian terms, the Queen of Hearts’ tendency to scream ‘Off with
> > >> their heads!’ can be read as a castration desire,” Dr Garland argues in
> > >> her “feminist reading” of the 1865 and 1871 novels.
> > >>
> > >> “While my analysis does seek to move away from traditional Freudian
> > >> interpretations, eliminating the phallus and emasculating Wonderland’s
> > >> mostly male population is an important part in understanding the
> > >> presence of vagina dentata within the text. This fear of castration is
> > >> something Carroll associates with adult females in Wonderland while the
> > >> emasculation of men is a frequent feature of the text."
> > >>
> > >> ROFLMAO. https://tny.im/8ObT6
> >
> > > True, these Marxist crazies
> > She isn't one of those, just another barking mad rabid feminist.
> > > have done the maximum harm to Labour allowing the Liberals to win,
> >
> > > so thay are lying Liberals really in Labour garb.
> > Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something...
> No, Rod3po. These creatures deprive Labour of votes with their anti human Marxist propaganda, so they have to be closet Liberals.
> Feminists of this rabid sort were responsible for Howard to get power by beating the family values drum.

Btw such insightful matters cannot be grasped by gassy robots, so Rod3po will emit a stinker as an error message for its inadequacy.

On 19/05/2022 9:09 pm, McCoy wrote:
> Morrison spoke more bullshit in Geelong recently. He's behaving like a salesman rather than a PM.

That accords with him having the name Scotty from Marketing :-)))

Let me just give a few examples...
> bs no. 1 ...He said Albo has no experience as PM, and has not delivered a Budget etc., so he concluded Albo should not be PM. This fails any logic test. If this is true and logical, then the current PM will be PM forever, which is ridiculous.

:-)))))))

> bs. no. 2. ... He said he can manage money and the economy better. He seemed to have conveniently forgotten that his budget estimate was out be several billion $ (5 billion or 9 billion, I can remember the figure). That was sometime in 2020 when covid first hit and he first implemented those covid disaster payment and covid relief payment etc. How can we trust his supposed better economic/money management when his budget (estimate) is out by several billions!!! (not millions!!).

:-))))))))

> bs no. 3 ... He's taking credit when credit is not due. The low unemployment rate is caused by the absence of migrants and overseas student in the last 2 covid years, something he can't control.

:-)))))))

> nb no. 4. ... He blaming others for the bad things that happened, eg. inflation. Inflation did not start in the last few months, it was already happening around end of last year (during his watch), ramping up to 5.1 or 5.2% now, and made worse (of course) by the Ukraine war. There are several job vacancies now, because they are low paying jobs and Morrison's policy is to keep wages low.

Fair summation of SloMo's BS. The question is; are Australians going to
be dumb enough to fall for the BS? I guess we'll have some idea by late
Saturday night.

On 19/05/2022 11:06 pm, Ozix wrote:
> Fran wrote:
>> On 18/05/2022 8:51 pm, Ozix wrote:
>>> Fran wrote:
>>>> On 16/05/2022 8:31 pm, Ozix wrote:
>>>>> After promising to subsidise home loans, and lower fuel excise
>>>>> forever, how much will this cost? From a man who keeps banging on
>>>>> about a huge deficit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> :-))  I won't cost him a penny.  None of his 'commitments' will cost
>>>> anything.  He's not going to have any power to deliver anything.
>>>
>>> And next trick, promising free uni education and wipe out HECS debt.
>>> How many educated person are going to vote for Fatty McFuckhead?
>>
>>
>> LOL.
>>
>> I've already voted and his party members didn't get my vote in either
>> House.
>
> I see his supportards have new T-shirts whining that Labor and Liberals
> are against them preference-wise. Already making excuses for the zero
> seats they are going to win.

:-))))) He's got more money than sense.

On 20/05/2022 8:05 am, Ozix wrote:
> Interesting... would be expect Hanson to challenge this, she would have
> more plague rats in her ranks.
> So is Ryan worried that more of her supporters caught rona, or that sick
> Liberal voters will just go and vote anyway?

I think all pollies and voters should be worried abut how the AEC has
handled this. It's not as if Covid is a newly emerged disease abotu
which we are just learning. I think the question should be about why
the AEC's response to an infected person is the (almost certainly) just
disenfranchise such voters.

dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote

> Surely Sigmund Freud was a student of history

Nope.

> and the notion "vagina with
> teeth" portrays the permissive ("anything is there for a price" and
> "darkness is no barrier to opportunity") culture which pervaded
> 18th-century London and where insanity was a common cause...

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something...

>> Popularised by psychoanalysts including Sigmund Freud and Jacques
>> Lacan, the motif of a “vagina with teeth” is used by literary and
>> cultural theorists to symbolise male fears of castration and the
>> dangers of sexual intercourse; the phallus is regarded as representing
>> male control.

> One in five Londoners had syphilis by age 35 in the late 18th century,
> historians estimate. Syphilis was just part of the considerable venereal
> disease problem in 18th-century London. “A far greater number would have
> contracted gonorrhea or chlamydia than contracted syphilis in this
> period,”
> the historians point out.

> Oliver Closeoff <commonsense@nospam.org> wrote:
>> This tart should be certified and locked up in a mental institution.
>> Are these the people who seriously believe they have the ability to
>> manage Australia?
>>
>> "Lewis Carroll’s Alice in Wonderland depicts a “passive heroine” who is
>> “denied her own feelings” in order to satisfy the “desiring male gaze”
>> of her creator, according to Labor’s candidate for Victoria’s most
>> marginal seat.
>>
>> Former academic, Victorian Trades Hall assistant secretary and Chisholm
>> candidate Carina Garland wrote a journal article on “Gender, Desire,
>> and Subjectivity in Lewis Carroll’s Alice Texts”, arguing that Carroll
>> used his much-loved children’s books, Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland
>> and Through the Looking Glass, to “revile” female sexuality and
>> “idealise” female passivity.
>>
>> The protagonist of the books, Alice, is understood to have been seven
>> in the first novel, and only six months older in the second, but Dr
>> Garland draws upon Lacanian and Freudian theories relating to
>> “castration”, “the phallus” and “vagina dentata” to make conclusions
>> about Carroll’s “malicious” manipulation of his young heroine.
>>
>> Popularised by psychoanalysts including Sigmund Freud and Jacques
>> Lacan, the motif of a “vagina with teeth” is used by literary and
>> cultural theorists to symbolise male fears of castration and the
>> dangers of sexual intercourse; the phallus is regarded as representing
>> male control.
>>
>> “In Freudian terms, the Queen of Hearts’ tendency to scream ‘Off with
>> their heads!’ can be read as a castration desire,” Dr Garland argues in
>> her “feminist reading” of the 1865 and 1871 novels.
>>
>> “While my analysis does seek to move away from traditional Freudian
>> interpretations, eliminating the phallus and emasculating Wonderland’s
>> mostly male population is an important part in understanding the
>> presence of vagina dentata within the text. This fear of castration is
>> something Carroll associates with adult females in Wonderland while the
>> emasculation of men is a frequent feature of the text."
>>
>> ROFLMAO. https://tny.im/8ObT6
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Oliver Closeoff wrote

>> >> This tart should be certified and locked up in a mental institution.
>> >> Are these the people who seriously believe they have the ability to
>> >> manage Australia?
>> >>
>> >> "Lewis Carroll’s Alice in Wonderland depicts a “passive heroine” who
>> is
>> >> “denied her own feelings” in order to satisfy the “desiring male
>> gaze”
>> >> of her creator, according to Labor’s candidate for Victoria’s most
>> >> marginal seat.
>> >>
>> >> Former academic, Victorian Trades Hall assistant secretary and
>> Chisholm
>> >> candidate Carina Garland wrote a journal article on “Gender, Desire,
>> >> and Subjectivity in Lewis Carroll’s Alice Texts”, arguing that
>> Carroll
>> >> used his much-loved children’s books, Alice’s Adventures in
>> Wonderland
>> >> and Through the Looking Glass, to “revile” female sexuality and
>> >> “idealise” female passivity.
>> >>
>> >> The protagonist of the books, Alice, is understood to have been seven
>> >> in the first novel, and only six months older in the second, but Dr
>> >> Garland draws upon Lacanian and Freudian theories relating to
>> >> “castration”, “the phallus” and “vagina dentata” to make conclusions
>> >> about Carroll’s “malicious” manipulation of his young heroine.
>> >>
>> >> Popularised by psychoanalysts including Sigmund Freud and Jacques
>> >> Lacan, the motif of a “vagina with teeth” is used by literary and
>> >> cultural theorists to symbolise male fears of castration and the
>> >> dangers of sexual intercourse; the phallus is regarded as
>> representing
>> >> male control.
>> >>
>> >> “In Freudian terms, the Queen of Hearts’ tendency to scream ‘Off with
>> >> their heads!’ can be read as a castration desire,” Dr Garland argues
>> in
>> >> her “feminist reading” of the 1865 and 1871 novels..
>> >>
>> >> “While my analysis does seek to move away from traditional Freudian
>> >> interpretations, eliminating the phallus and emasculating
>> Wonderland’s
>> >> mostly male population is an important part in understanding the
>> >> presence of vagina dentata within the text. This fear of castration
>> is
>> >> something Carroll associates with adult females in Wonderland while
>> the
>> >> emasculation of men is a frequent feature of the text."
>> >>
>> >> ROFLMAO. https://tny.im/8ObT6
>>
>> > True, these Marxist crazies
>> She isn't one of those, just another barking mad rabid feminist.
>> > have done the maximum harm to Labour allowing the Liberals to win,
>>
>> > so thay are lying Liberals really in Labour garb.

>> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something...

> No

Fraid so.

> These creatures deprive Labour of votes with their anti human Marxist
> propaganda,

That isn't Marxist propaganda, Marx never said anything about
that and that doesnt make them Liberals in Labour garb,
given that the Libs aren't into that sort of mindless shit.

> so they have to be closet Liberals.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something...

> Feminists of this rabid sort were responsible for Howard to get power by
> beating the family values drum.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something...

Nothing whatever to do with rabid feminists who are in fact anti family
values, fool.

On Fri, 20 May 2022 10:23:30 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, 20 May 2022 at 10:19:56 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>> On Friday, 20 May 2022 at 09:18:04 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> > Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> > > Oliver Closeoff wrote
>> >
>> > >> This tart should be certified and locked up in a mental
>> institution.
>> > >> Are these the people who seriously believe they have the ability to
>> > >> manage Australia?
>> > >>
>> > >> "Lewis Carroll’s Alice in Wonderland depicts a “passive heroine”
>> who is
>> > >> “denied her own feelings” in order to satisfy the “desiring male
>> gaze”
>> > >> of her creator, according to Labor’s candidate for Victoria’s most
>> > >> marginal seat.
>> > >>
>> > >> Former academic, Victorian Trades Hall assistant secretary and
>> Chisholm
>> > >> candidate Carina Garland wrote a journal article on “Gender,
>> Desire,
>> > >> and Subjectivity in Lewis Carroll’s Alice Texts”, arguing that
>> Carroll
>> > >> used his much-loved children’s books, Alice’s Adventures in
>> Wonderland
>> > >> and Through the Looking Glass, to “revile” female sexuality and
>> > >> “idealise” female passivity.
>> > >>
>> > >> The protagonist of the books, Alice, is understood to have been
>> seven
>> > >> in the first novel, and only six months older in the second, but Dr
>> > >> Garland draws upon Lacanian and Freudian theories relating to
>> > >> “castration”, “the phallus” and “vagina dentata” to make
>> conclusions
>> > >> about Carroll’s “malicious” manipulation of his young heroine.
>> > >>
>> > >> Popularised by psychoanalysts including Sigmund Freud and Jacques
>> > >> Lacan, the motif of a “vagina with teeth” is used by literary and
>> > >> cultural theorists to symbolise male fears of castration and the
>> > >> dangers of sexual intercourse; the phallus is regarded as
>> representing
>> > >> male control.
>> > >>
>> > >> “In Freudian terms, the Queen of Hearts’ tendency to scream ‘Off
>> with
>> > >> their heads!’ can be read as a castration desire,” Dr Garland
>> argues in
>> > >> her “feminist reading” of the 1865 and 1871 novels.
>> > >>
>> > >> “While my analysis does seek to move away from traditional Freudian
>> > >> interpretations, eliminating the phallus and emasculating
>> Wonderland’s
>> > >> mostly male population is an important part in understanding the
>> > >> presence of vagina dentata within the text. This fear of
>> castration is
>> > >> something Carroll associates with adult females in Wonderland
>> while the
>> > >> emasculation of men is a frequent feature of the text."
>> > >>
>> > >> ROFLMAO. https://tny.im/8ObT6
>> >
>> > > True, these Marxist crazies
>> > She isn't one of those, just another barking mad rabid feminist.
>> > > have done the maximum harm to Labour allowing the Liberals to win,
>> >
>> > > so thay are lying Liberals really in Labour garb.
>> > Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something...
>> No, Rod3po. These creatures deprive Labour of votes with their anti
>> human Marxist propaganda, so they have to be closet Liberals.
>> Feminists of this rabid sort were responsible for Howard to get power
>> by beating the family values drum.
>
<reams pf stinking curry muncher shit flushed where it belongs>

Ozix <ozix12345@yahoo.com> wrote

> Interesting...

Not really.

> would be expect Hanson to challenge this, shewould have more plague
> rats in her ranks.

But she has no seats where the result for her might
end up with a handful of votes deciding the result
so it would be a waste of money for One Notion.

> So is Ryan worried that more of her supporters caught rona,or that sick
> Liberal voters will just go and vote anyway?

No, that stupid cow has decided that the result in Kooyong
might be decided by a handful of votes and that spending
$60K of the money she has raised might change some votes
to her.

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> Ozix <ozix12345@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>> Interesting...
>
> Not really.
>
>> would be expect Hanson to challenge this, shewould have more plague
>> rats in her ranks.
>
> But she has no seats where the result for her might
> end up with a handful of votes deciding the result
> so it would be a waste of money for One Notion.
>
>> So is Ryan worried that more of her supporters caught rona,or that
>> sick Liberal voters will just go and vote anyway?
>
> No, that stupid cow has decided that the result in Kooyong
> might be decided by a handful of votes and that spending
> $60K of the money she has raised might change some votes
> to her.

FAR too late to have any real effect imo, just more stupid
grandstanding that all 'independants' have to get up to
to have any hope of getting elected the first time.

dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote

>>> Surely Sigmund Freud was a student of history

>> Nope.

> It might be more correct to suggest that the VICTORIAN(20 June 1837 –
> 22 Jan 1901) era attitudes are a responseto the sexual disease and
> deprivations of the age prior.

Not really. Just read
Lock, Joan. Scotland Yard Casebook (p. 204). Lume Books.
Interesting that quite a few of the toffs were into quite literally
whipping and torturing children in organised events. Hard
to see that that could be due to the sexual disease and
deprivations of the age prior.

> If one in five persons within London had Syphilis and a far greater
> number had gonorrhea or chlamydia then it is reasonable to concludethat
> between 3 / 5th (60%) to 4 / 5th (80%) percent of the population
> possessed a long term venereal disease and such professional knowledge
> would no doubt have permeated amongst the intelligentsia as to view a
> "more rigorous form of Victorian sexual morality than England" as being
> prudent.

The reality is that Victorian sexual morality
was much more just a fascade than reality.

> Freud lived and worked in Vienna, having set up his clinical practice
> there in 1886. In 1938, Freud left Austria to escape Nazi persecution.
> He died in exile in the United Kingdom in 1939--It is not for me to
> extrapolate or research whether his association with the UK was before
> 1938 entirely non-existent.

But it is clear from his biographys that before 1938 entirely
non-existent.

> His Five Lectures on Psychoanalysis and Civilization and its Discontents
> belong to two distinct phases of Freud’s thought—a thought which was
> always changing, expanding, and being revised , and which has as many
> discontinuities as continuities. Both texts rest written from Freud’s
> basic psychoanalytic perspective; each reflects the general
> *historical*, philosophical, and scientific movements in which Freud
> found himself when he developed psychoanalysis.

> Freud’s Austria of the second half of the nineteenth century was
> characterized by an even more rigorous form of Victorian sexual morality
> than England, whose sexual delicacy and frigidity is often caricatured..

Even that isn't clear at all.

> This rigorous sexual morality did not, however,prevent Victorians from
> speaking about sexuality.

And doing it with children in spades.

> The large, urban, professional middle class—the bourgeoisie—had an
> intense moral preoccupation with sexuality, particularly in women and
> children. Their sexual interests, and sexual knowledge, were understood
> to be naturally limited; however, in the case of exceptions, this
> interest and knowledge were carefully regulated.

Not really.

> Young women were expected to be chaste before marriage;

Nothing unusual about that.

> and the private sexual experimentation of children and adolescents—for
> example, masturbation—were assiduously suppressed.

Thats bullshit with the dregs of their society.

> Additionally, a *growing* *knowledge* *of* *sexual* *diseases*, *like*
> *syphilis*, created, in the public mind, an association between *sexual*
> *promiscuity* *and* *catastrophic* *epidemics*. Sexuality not only
> needed to be regulatedby personal morality, or by the vigilance of the
> family, but, since it could affect entire populations, was a political
> and social concern.

But the reality is that raping of children and servants was rife.

> At the same time the nascent field of sexology was developing. A number
> of medical researchers, like Havelock Ellis and Richard von
> Krafft-Ebing—whom Feud knew and who publicly commented on one of Freud’s
> earliest papers—gave detailed and meticulous accounts of the forms and
> varieties of sexual behaviors and identities, regardless of their rarity
> or apparent perversity.

And with Ellis, showed that it was nothing even remotely like rare.

> They also tried to connect facts about sexuality to other facts, which
> had no self-evident relationship to sexuality; they asked, for example,
> how sexuality relates to class,

It was well known that the dregs fucked like rabbits and
that abortion was rife.

> or how sexuality relates to criminality.

Thats more complicated given that what was illegal changed so much.

> The late nineteenth century was, therefore, characterized by an
> interesting constellation of trends: a personal, familial, and political
> regulation of sexuality, on the one hand, and a proliferation of
> scientific writing which showed how that problematic sexuality
> nevertheless had a secure and extensive place in human nature,

Corse it did.

> on the other hand. This constellation served as an auspicious context
> for Freud to develop his theories. Freud described how all kinds of
> unusual, or “perverse,” sexual desires dominate the mind—in children, in
> neurotic adults, but also in normal adults. Freud also showed how the
> mind finds itself in an irrevocable conflict with its own sexuality: how
> it fears its sexuality, and tries to avoid and eliminate it, or, most
> importantly, how it tries to forget it, or remove it from conscious
> awareness.

Thats silly with the dregs of society that just got on with fucking like
rabbits.

> For Freud, this meant that unusual, “perverse” sexuality had a peculiar
> fate. Regulated by morality, removed from conscious awareness, but still
> very much extant, it became “unconscious”: no longer under the control
> of a person’s self-conscious and voluntary choices, it manifested in a
> person’s involuntary actions, like mistakes and slips of the tongues, as
> well as in mental pathologies, like obsession, paranoia, hysteria, and
> anxiety.

That is all just another mindless wank.

> <https://www.college.columbia.edu/core/content/writings-sigmund-freud/context>

Mattb wrote on 7/5/22 4:20 am:
> On Fri, 6 May 2022 20:07:33 +1000, Daniel65
> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>> Mattb wrote on 6/5/22 1:44 am:
>>> On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:25:36 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> <Snip>
>>
>>>> RUBBISH You as in Australia are dumb'ed down by fakenews media
>>>> Censorship by your "Ministry of truth" https://ibb.co/2gh0KNt
>>>
>>> I'm not in OZ, and I do not have Australian citizenship. Pure
>>> blooded American. Ordog and Fran are the averages for OZ.
>>
>> "Pure blooded American."?? Which part of America do you come from??
>> Argentina?? Brazil?? Canada??
>
> My ancestors were more like the middle current US territories. Been
> there for thousands of years before theh coming of the illegal
> immigrants.

The point that I was trying to make was that native Argentineans are
'Pure blooded American' as are native Brazilians and native Canadians
(e.g. First Nations, Inuit, Metis).

So many U.S. of A'ians seem to think 'America' begins and ends with 'the
Lower 48'!!
--
Daniel

Rod Speed wrote on 7/5/22 2:43 pm:
> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> My ancestors were more like the middle current US territories.
>>>> Been there for thousands of years before theh coming of the
>>>> illegal immigrants.
>
>>> Nothing illegal about the immigrants, you savages who didn't even
>>> manage to invent houses had no laws about others, savage.
>
>> Oh, the ignorance!
>
> Your sig is sposed to have a line with just -- on it in front of it,
> child.

Actually, it's 'Dash Dash Space' and nothing else
--
Daniel

Rod Speed wrote on 7/5/22 4:06 pm:
> On Sat, 07 May 2022 15:22:45 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 May 2022 21:17:01 -0700, "max headroom"
>> <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
>>> In news:op.1lrfsa10byq249@pvr2.lan, Rod Speed
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> typed:
>>>> On Sat, 07 May 2022 04:20:12 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>   My ancestors were more like the middle current US territories.  Been
>>>>> there for thousands of years before theh coming of the illegal
>>>>> immigrants.
>>>
>>>> Nothing illegal about the immigrants, you savages who didn't
>>>> even manage to invent houses had no laws about others, savage.
>>>
>>> Oh, the ignorance!
>
> <reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
> belongs>

Your definition of the word 'reams' needs working on!! One line
containing eight words would not meant what most people would consider
'reams'!!
--
Daniel

Rod Speed wrote on 8/5/22 9:50 am:
> On Sun, 08 May 2022 09:27:09 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Sat, 07 May 2022 16:06:06 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 07 May 2022 15:22:45 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 6 May 2022 21:17:01 -0700, "max headroom"
>>>> <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>> In news:op.1lrfsa10byq249@pvr2.lan, Rod Speed
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>>> On Sat, 07 May 2022 04:20:12 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> My ancestors were more like the middle current US
>>>>>>> territories. Been there for thousands of years before
>>>>>>> theh coming of the illegal immigrants.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing illegal about the immigrants, you savages who
>>>>>> didn't even manage to invent houses had no laws about
>>>>>> others, savage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, the ignorance!
>
> <reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where
> it belongs>

Your definition of the word 'reams' needs working on!! One line
containing six words would not meet what most people would consider
'reams'!!
--
Daniel