On Mon, 23 May 2022 07:59:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> It seems abundantly clear to me that Australians have voted that they
>>>> want a government to reflect the majority view. IOW: Right down the
>>>> middle. Neither far left, nor far right.
>
>>> I wish the USA would vote for a more moderate representation. Biden
>>> claimed he was moderate, but it turned out he was very far left. We
>>> have become like Venezuela in some ways. Can't even keep products on
>>> the store shelf and prices going up daily
>
>>>> How the Libs will manage with that Nazi, Dutton, in charge, is anyone's
>>>> guess.
>
>> Australia will find out which direction PMAnthony Albanese will take
>> the Nation,
>
>No PM really ever takes the country anywhere,
>they basically just react to events.
>
Not called "wrong way Albo" for nothing
>
>> if he can take it anywhere,
>
>We survived the dud and Juliar and will survive Albo too.
>
>It will be interesting to see if he is actually silly enough
>to spend anything on the Newcastle VFT or if it was just
>smoke and mirrors and won't actually happen.
>
The highspeed InterCity trains have been built by NSW Liberals already
and have been ready to go for about a year, the "Union" have delayed
them moviving till after election.
<https://www.9news.com.au/national/transport-news-nsw-government-decides-to-roll-out-new-intercity-fleet-despite-union-safety-concerns/459f2ffe-c8b9-4f8b-8bcd-10562161a6e4>
https://tinyurl.com/yxe5p9x9
The intercity fleet is supposed to travel from Sydney to Lithgow on
the Blue Mountains line, and to the Central Coast, Newcastle and down
to Kiama on the South Coast line.
>
>> Labor for a long time have been a indecisive, squabble.
>
>That is one thing Albo did manage, no real squabbling
>at all while he was driving the opposition bus. He does
>appear to be pandering to the climate change fools but
>with any luck it will just be zero emission targets which
>he won't still be PM to have to admit they have failed.
>
So was ScoMo pandering to Climate Change
June 29, 1989 "UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental
official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth
by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by
the year 2000."
People still believe crap?
>
>> The ones they are replacing were the same.
>
>ScoMo was very decisive about the action on covid very early on.
>
Not good enough according to the nutters like the dumb3
--
Petzl
We know the Dumb3 are lying,
they know they are lying,
they know we know they are lying,
we know they know we know they are lying,
but they are still lying.
"Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn"

On Sun, 22 May 2022 09:55:38 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:56:18 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>
>>If you vote informally, ie. you don't fill in enough boxes, what are the
>>chances you get in trouble for this?
>>
>Never complained to me
>I just draw a cock and balls on ballots (they get the most votes if
>they were counted)

Yeah well, I'm voting postal in future. I decided to vote at the
local school just up from work, and as late as possible to avoid the
riff-raff in the queue.
When I arrived there was a queue so long it wrapped round the Earth. I
was wedged behind a woman with halitosis,and this I had to endure for
a good 30 minutes. It was getting cold and dark. Eventually after
waiting in the vast school hall for 15min I discovered I was in the
wrong queue and had to start again in the queue for those people
living outside the "****" whatever that was. I was one of the last to
leave after one whole hour!!! I was dark when I left and the school
grounds were unlit necessitating a grope towards the gate, which was
now locked, over which I had to scramble!

When I woke the next morning I heard the wrong side had won.

Stuff it! BAH...!

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>> Fran wrote
>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote
>>>>>> Petzl wrote

>>>>>>> Albanese will be backstabbed shortly (before Christmas) by freak
>>>>>>> animal Penny Wong, or a similar farm animal.
>>>>> Jesus wept. Wong is in the Senate yu booby!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Not a snowball's chance in Hell. For two reasons:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Labor will give Albo a chance to work in what is likely to be a
>>>>>> minority government.
>>>>>> 2) Labor has itself structured such that leaders being stabbed in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> back is extremely unlikely.
>>>>> And, c) Wong is in the Senate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, we can only hope that Penny Wong is leader at the next
>>>>>> election. She is smart, talented and would make a formidable leader.
>>>>> SHE'S A SENATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>> PMs are members of the Reps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>>> All true, but not insurmountable.
>>
>>> But the change in Labor rules and the fact that Albo did win are
>>> insurmountable for her.
>>
>>> They would have to be very desperate to let her politically assassinate
>>> Albo now.
>>
>> Her only hope is that Albo drops dead or is caught fucking little
>> children or something like that.

> He might even eat some of Penny Wong's bat soup?

Unlikely, bet he isnt silly enough to even let her make him a cup of
tea even when there are just the two of them in a room in Japan.

> The Clinton's seem to find strange deaths of people that were a threat
> to them helped.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Body_Count>

Just because some fool claims something...

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> It seems abundantly clear to me that Australians have voted that they
>>>>> want a government to reflect the majority view. IOW: Right down the
>>>>> middle. Neither far left, nor far right.
>>
>>>> I wish the USA would vote for a more moderate representation. Biden
>>>> claimed he was moderate, but it turned out he was very far left. We
>>>> have become like Venezuela in some ways. Can't even keep products on
>>>> the store shelf and prices going up daily
>>
>>>>> How the Libs will manage with that Nazi, Dutton, in charge, is
>>>>> anyone's
>>>>> guess.
>>
>>> Australia will find out which direction PMAnthony Albanese will take
>>> the Nation,
>>
>> No PM really ever takes the country anywhere,
>> they basically just react to events.

> Not called "wrong way Albo" for nothing

>>> if he can take it anywhere,

>> We survived the dud and Juliar and will survive Albo too.

>> It will be interesting to see if he is actually silly enough
>> to spend anything on the Newcastle VFT or if it was just
>> smoke and mirrors and won't actually happen.

> The highspeed InterCity trains have been built by NSW Liberals already
> and have been ready to go for about a year, the "Union" have delayed
> them moviving till after election.
> <https://www.9news.com.au/national/transport-news-nsw-government-decides-to-roll-out-new-intercity-fleet-despite-union-safety-concerns/459f2ffe-c8b9-4f8b-8bcd-10562161a6e4>
> https://tinyurl.com/yxe5p9x9

Going to be interesting to watch what Perrottet does now
given how slim his govt margin is and with elections due
next year and how badly the Libs have done last saturday.

> The intercity fleet is supposed to travel from Sydney to Lithgowon the
> Blue Mountains line, and to the Central Coast, Newcastleand down to
> Kiama on the South Coast line.

But nothing for Newcastle. Unsurprising given the physical
obstacles on that route.

>>> Labor for a long time have been a indecisive, squabble.
>>
>> That is one thing Albo did manage, no real squabbling
>> at all while he was driving the opposition bus. He does
>> appear to be pandering to the climate change fools but
>> with any luck it will just be zero emission targets which
>> he won't still be PM to have to admit they have failed.

> So was ScoMo pandering to Climate Change
> June 29, 1989 "UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental
> official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth
> by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by
> the year 2000."
> People still believe crap?

Clearly plenty of the most stupid voters do given saturday's result.

>>> The ones they are replacing were the same.

>> ScoMo was very decisive about the action on covid very early on.

> Not good enough according to the nutters like the dumb3

Yeah, that fool Trevor stupidly claims that one of the best
results in the world early on with the majors was down to
the states when it fact it was their megafuckups which
really fucked things up and which are responsible for
the current 30-40 deaths a day.

On Mon, 23 May 2022 09:29:10 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>>> Fran wrote
>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote
>>>>>>> Petzl wrote
>
>>>>>>>> Albanese will be backstabbed shortly (before Christmas) by freak
>>>>>>>> animal Penny Wong, or a similar farm animal.
>>>>>> Jesus wept. Wong is in the Senate yu booby!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Not a snowball's chance in Hell. For two reasons:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) Labor will give Albo a chance to work in what is likely to be a
>>>>>>> minority government.
>>>>>>> 2) Labor has itself structured such that leaders being stabbed in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> back is extremely unlikely.
>>>>>> And, c) Wong is in the Senate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That said, we can only hope that Penny Wong is leader at the next
>>>>>>> election. She is smart, talented and would make a formidable leader.
>>>>>> SHE'S A SENATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>> PMs are members of the Reps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>>>> All true, but not insurmountable.
>>>
>>>> But the change in Labor rules and the fact that Albo did win are
>>>> insurmountable for her.
>>>
>>>> They would have to be very desperate to let her politically assassinate
>>>> Albo now.
>>>
>>> Her only hope is that Albo drops dead or is caught fucking little
>>> children or something like that.
>
>> He might even eat some of Penny Wong's bat soup?
>
>Unlikely, bet he isnt silly enough to even let her make him a cup of
>tea even when there are just the two of them in a room in Japan.
>
Maybe Albo will make Biden some tea he got from Putin
>
>> The Clinton's seem to find strange deaths of people that were a threat
>> to them helped.
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Body_Count>
>
>Just because some fool claims something...
>
99.999999% of the world?
--
Petzl
Gough Whitlam when Joe Riordan lost the seat of Philip in Sydney’s
eastern suburbs. “Comrade, comrade, how negligent of you. To lose a
seat in which there is not one but three cemeteries is unforgivable.”

I had an uncle that lived in Wellington. He voted Liberal all his
life until he passed away 10 years ago. Now he votes Labor.

On Mon, 23 May 2022 09:27:09 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 22 May 2022 09:55:38 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:56:18 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>>
>>>If you vote informally, ie. you don't fill in enough boxes, what are the
>>>chances you get in trouble for this?
>>>
>>Never complained to me
>>I just draw a cock and balls on ballots (they get the most votes if
>>they were counted)
>
>Yeah well, I'm voting postal in future. I decided to vote at the
>local school just up from work, and as late as possible to avoid the
>riff-raff in the queue.
>When I arrived there was a queue so long it wrapped round the Earth. I
>was wedged behind a woman with halitosis,and this I had to endure for
>a good 30 minutes. It was getting cold and dark. Eventually after
>waiting in the vast school hall for 15min I discovered I was in the
>wrong queue and had to start again in the queue for those people
>living outside the "****" whatever that was. I was one of the last to
>leave after one whole hour!!! I was dark when I left and the school
>grounds were unlit necessitating a grope towards the gate, which was
>now locked, over which I had to scramble!
>
>When I woke the next morning I heard the wrong side had won.
>
>Stuff it! BAH...!
>
I'm in Sydney went to do a bit of shopping first, 1PM, passed a number
of poll places all full encircled by "Free Parking Brigade",one car,
one driver, one FREE parking space.

Went in to vote must of been 300 cars parked outside, only around 20
people inside. Only took around 10 minutes in and out, nobody moved
from parking spots?

Labor got less primary vote percentages than they have in history
31.9%. The Coalition 35.3%
So 65% of voters did not want Labor or Coalition.
The "Independents" were just funnels for Labor/Coalition/"Greens"
--
Petzl
If voting made any difference,
They wouldn't let us do it- Mark Twain

Nomen Nescio posted:

> *** ALP only got 1/3 of primery vote!

So bloody what!

> @@@ NO MANDATE IS POSSIBLE!

Why would a "mandate" be necessary, given the composition of the House of
Reps., you retarded lowlife-scumbag international troll?

Obviously you have no idea how a proper parliamentary democracy works away
from a two party duopoly pretend democracy.
All that is expected from the party forming the government is that it
tries to keep those promises it had made to the electorate during the
election campaign, naturally subject to negotiations with non-ALP members
in the House.

If they fuck up badly they will be suffering the consequences at the next
election.

> All decent folk must swarm Canberra to protest Albo being sworn in!

Nope! Oz ain't the same fucking shitpot that the USA has become.
Here people won't play the Trumpist insurrection game!

> If you surrender this time, your children will ask why.

The children would only ever ask why the the culture war fixated
environmental-vandal alt-right-wing-nuts have not been removed from power
much sooner. After all, it is their future, these creeps were fucking with.

And NOW it is time to put you back again into the Bozo-Bin, you fucking
Usenet menace!
Why don't you fuck off to FaceBook, or Twitter or Truth Social (or similar
alt-right cesspits) or just simply FOAD! DIE!

P L O N K !

On Mon, 23 May 2022 09:40:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>>> It seems abundantly clear to me that Australians have voted that they
>>>>>> want a government to reflect the majority view. IOW: Right down the
>>>>>> middle. Neither far left, nor far right.
>>>
>>>>> I wish the USA would vote for a more moderate representation. Biden
>>>>> claimed he was moderate, but it turned out he was very far left. We
>>>>> have become like Venezuela in some ways. Can't even keep products on
>>>>> the store shelf and prices going up daily
>>>
>>>>>> How the Libs will manage with that Nazi, Dutton, in charge, is
>>>>>> anyone's
>>>>>> guess.
>>>
>>>> Australia will find out which direction PMAnthony Albanese will take
>>>> the Nation,
>>>
>>> No PM really ever takes the country anywhere,
>>> they basically just react to events.
>
>> Not called "wrong way Albo" for nothing
>
>>>> if he can take it anywhere,
>
>>> We survived the dud and Juliar and will survive Albo too.
>
>>> It will be interesting to see if he is actually silly enough
>>> to spend anything on the Newcastle VFT or if it was just
>>> smoke and mirrors and won't actually happen.
>
>> The highspeed InterCity trains have been built by NSW Liberals already
>> and have been ready to go for about a year, the "Union" have delayed
>> them moviving till after election.
>> <https://www.9news.com.au/national/transport-news-nsw-government-decides-to-roll-out-new-intercity-fleet-despite-union-safety-concerns/459f2ffe-c8b9-4f8b-8bcd-10562161a6e4>
>> https://tinyurl.com/yxe5p9x9
>
>Going to be interesting to watch what Perrottet does now
>given how slim his govt margin is and with elections due
>next year and how badly the Libs have done last saturday.
>
I don't see Perrottet as bad, but needs to be better media trained.
>
>> The intercity fleet is supposed to travel from Sydney to Lithgowon the
>> Blue Mountains line, and to the Central Coast, Newcastle and down to
>> Kiama on the South Coast line.
>
>But nothing for Newcastle. Unsurprising given the physical
>obstacles on that route.
>
A couple are dedicated for Newcastle, yes the track needs work on that
the weak link in fast train service
>
>>>> Labor for a long time have been a indecisive, squabble.
>>>
>>> That is one thing Albo did manage, no real squabbling
>>> at all while he was driving the opposition bus. He does
>>> appear to be pandering to the climate change fools but
>>> with any luck it will just be zero emission targets which
>>> he won't still be PM to have to admit they have failed.
>
>> So was ScoMo pandering to Climate Change
>> June 29, 1989 "UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental
>> official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth
>> by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by
>> the year 2000."
>> People still believe crap?
>
>Clearly plenty of the most stupid voters do given saturday's result.
>
It the way Lobbyists push it to their media and Politicians
>
>>>> The ones they are replacing were the same.
>
>>> ScoMo was very decisive about the action on covid very early on.
>
>> Not good enough according to the nutters like the dumb3
>
>Yeah, that fool Trevor stupidly claims that one of the best
>results in the world early on with the majors was down to
>the states when it fact it was their megafuckups which
>really fucked things up and which are responsible for
>the current 30-40 deaths a day.
>
Again the slant pushed by media, Also ScoMo was not good at media
image, Albo isn't either. Dutton and Barnaby Joyce are.

My take on Fast Rail--
Problem with Rail is Lobbyist's
Until the tracks are upgraded to handle existing speeds of our
fleet.
"The longest distance between two points" is presently state rail!
8am Tokyo to Hiroshima arrives 11am time for lunch trip is quiet and
fast.
Sydney/Melbourne would of had that in the 1990's at no cost to tax
payer if it wasn't for Labor governments!

The major problem was incompetence, lack of planning support from
Federal and state governments.
The Governments were pandering to NIMBY groups untrue nonsense.
Threatening the VFT with opening up the airways, station stops that
were uneconomic.
It became obvious the 3rd world Governments of Australia, both state
and federal, that their lobbyists did not want the VFT to go ahead.
The main players then told the Australian government to bugger off,
stop time wasting then walking away.
--
Petzl
"Our" Media and Major parties are run by lobbyists

Lobbyists write the laws, parliament sells the laws,
paid lucrative commissions for passing their laws.
That’s the modern legislative business of parliament.

When we talk about paying-off politicians in third-world
countries we call it bribery.
However, when we undertake the same process in parliament.
we call it lobbying.

Petz

/Autosnip: Far-right Trolls and Septic Yanks/

> Petz
>> Never complained to me I just draw a cock and balls on ballots (they get
>> the most votes if they were counted)
>
Liar! Why don't you just admit which idiotic far-right candidate you
wasted your vote on?
ON? Clive Palmer mob? Some Xtian crusader?

> I'm in Sydney .../snip irrelevant bullshit!/

> Labor got less primary vote percentages than they have in history 31.9%.
> The Coalition 35.3%
> So 65% of voters did not want Labor or Coalition.

Your maths is fucked, Petz dear!
So ALP+Coalition ...

31.9 + 35.3 = 67.2

Alas the non aligned voters amount to what?

100 - 67.2 = 32.8

> The "Independents" were just funnels for Labor/Coalition/"Greens"

Is that why we have now so many independents and Greens both in the lover
and upper House of Parliament?
Finally real democracy is catching up with OZ! A two party duopoly is only
slightly better than a one party monopoly.

Sour grapes for you (and rightarded ilk), Petz dear.
Flushing down OZ into the alt-right cesspit had suffered a great setback,
at least for the moment.

Why don't you just fuck off to Septic Yankland, preferably to the Bible
Belt to enjoy the man made Hell of extreme rightardism?
Go Petz, GO! Nobody is going to miss you in OZ!

~~~
~~~
Busting Petz's copy and paste misused quotation sig:

> If voting made any difference ...

....but it does. The results speak for themselves.
Hence we can't get a decent government as low IQ creeps, mindless morons,
under- and miseducated brainwashed drones and ego maniacs business crooks
also allowed to vote. That is the weakness of Democracy.
The alternatives are usually even worse.

Completely changing the econopolitical/sociopolitical system from ground
up and at the same time improving the level pf education of the general
population is the only possible long term fix for this conundrum.
~~

--
Ördög - -
The real one (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)

Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps, all of those Trump's deplorables, idiots like
Petz and his fellow septic and OZ crazies.
They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>>>> Fran wrote
>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote
>>>>>>>> Petzl wrote
>>
>>>>>>>>> Albanese will be backstabbed shortly (before Christmas) by freak
>>>>>>>>> animal Penny Wong, or a similar farm animal.
>>>>>>> Jesus wept. Wong is in the Senate yu booby!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **Not a snowball's chance in Hell. For two reasons:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) Labor will give Albo a chance to work in what is likely to be a
>>>>>>>> minority government.
>>>>>>>> 2) Labor has itself structured such that leaders being stabbed in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> back is extremely unlikely.
>>>>>>> And, c) Wong is in the Senate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That said, we can only hope that Penny Wong is leader at the next
>>>>>>>> election. She is smart, talented and would make a formidable
>>>>>>>> leader.
>>>>>>> SHE'S A SENATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>> PMs are members of the Reps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>>> All true, but not insurmountable.
>>>>
>>>>> But the change in Labor rules and the fact that Albo did win are
>>>>> insurmountable for her.
>>>>
>>>>> They would have to be very desperate to let her politically
>>>>> assassinate
>>>>> Albo now.
>>>>
>>>> Her only hope is that Albo drops dead or is caught fucking little
>>>> children or something like that.
>>
>>> He might even eat some of Penny Wong's bat soup?
>>
>> Unlikely, bet he isnt silly enough to even let her make him a cup of
>> tea even when there are just the two of them in a room in Japan.
>>
> Maybe Albo will make Biden some tea he got from Putin
>>
>>> The Clinton's seem to find strange deaths of people that were a threat
>>> to them helped.
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Body_Count>
>>
>> Just because some fool claims something...
>>
> 99.999999% of the world?

It isnt even 1% of the world.

On Mon, 23 May 2022 10:03:36 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 23 May 2022 09:27:09 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 22 May 2022 09:55:38 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:56:18 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you vote informally, ie. you don't fill in enough boxes, what are
>>>> the
>>>> chances you get in trouble for this?
>>>>
>>> Never complained to me
>>> I just draw a cock and balls on ballots (they get the most votes if
>>> they were counted)
>>
>> Yeah well, I'm voting postal in future. I decided to vote at the
>> local school just up from work, and as late as possible to avoid the
>> riff-raff in the queue.
>> When I arrived there was a queue so long it wrapped round the Earth. I
>> was wedged behind a woman with halitosis,and this I had to endure for
>> a good 30 minutes. It was getting cold and dark. Eventually after
>> waiting in the vast school hall for 15min I discovered I was in the
>> wrong queue and had to start again in the queue for those people
>> living outside the "****" whatever that was. I was one of the last to
>> leave after one whole hour!!! I was dark when I left and the school
>> grounds were unlit necessitating a grope towards the gate, which was
>> now locked, over which I had to scramble!
>>
>> When I woke the next morning I heard the wrong side had won.
>>
>> Stuff it! BAH...!
>>
> I'm in Sydney went to do a bit of shopping first, 1PM, passed a number
> of poll places all full encircled by "Free Parking Brigade",one car,
> one driver, one FREE parking space.
>
> Went in to vote must of been 300 cars parked outside, only around 20
> people inside. Only took around 10 minutes in and out, nobody moved
> from parking spots?
>
> Labor got less primary vote percentages than they have in history
> 31.9%. The Coalition 35.3%
> So 65% of voters did not want Labor or Coalition.

You have that backwards, 67% did.

> The "Independents" were just funnels for Labor/Coalition/"Greens"

On 22/05/2022 8:00 pm, Max wrote:
> On 22/05/2022 7:05 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 May 2022 18:58:59 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:

>>>>  That isn't even possible for a govt to impose, stupid.
>>
>>> How do you know?
>>
>> That is pathetic even for you.
>>
>>> Maybe the PM can pray to God to make it happen?
>>
>> There is no god, fuckwit child.
>
> You're going to feel pretty stupid when you are burning in the fires of
> hell.

To believe in the existence of a God (aka sky pixie) to be consistent
one must also believe in the other unseen entities like Santa Claus, the
Tooth Fairy, Pixies, Leprechauns, Yetis etc. I dont' beleive in any of
those things

And if one does believe in a God, why that particular God and not one of
the other hundreds of Gods? I've decided that if I ever feel the need
to worship some sort of deity, I'll worship Ganesha.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>> It seems abundantly clear to me that Australians have voted that
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> want a government to reflect the majority view. IOW: Right down the
>>>>>>> middle. Neither far left, nor far right.
>>>>
>>>>>> I wish the USA would vote for a more moderate representation. Biden
>>>>>> claimed he was moderate, but it turned out he was very far left. We
>>>>>> have become like Venezuela in some ways. Can't even keep products
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the store shelf and prices going up daily
>>>>
>>>>>>> How the Libs will manage with that Nazi, Dutton, in charge, is
>>>>>>> anyone's
>>>>>>> guess.
>>>>
>>>>> Australia will find out which direction PMAnthony Albanese will take
>>>>> the Nation,
>>>>
>>>> No PM really ever takes the country anywhere,
>>>> they basically just react to events.
>>
>>> Not called "wrong way Albo" for nothing
>>
>>>>> if he can take it anywhere,
>>
>>>> We survived the dud and Juliar and will survive Albo too.
>>
>>>> It will be interesting to see if he is actually silly enough
>>>> to spend anything on the Newcastle VFT or if it was just
>>>> smoke and mirrors and won't actually happen.
>>
>>> The highspeed InterCity trains have been built by NSW Liberals already
>>> and have been ready to go for about a year, the "Union" have delayed
>>> them moviving till after election.
>>> <https://www.9news.com.au/national/transport-news-nsw-government-decides-to-roll-out-new-intercity-fleet-despite-union-safety-concerns/459f2ffe-c8b9-4f8b-8bcd-10562161a6e4>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/yxe5p9x9
>>
>> Going to be interesting to watch what Perrottet does now
>> given how slim his govt margin is and with elections due
>> next year and how badly the Libs have done last saturday.

> I don't see Perrottet as bad,

I don't either except for relaxing the lockdowns and checkins
much too early and not bothering to notify those who had been
in the same place as an infected person.

> but needs to be better media trained.

Beats that fool Mins who hasn't even been heard of
since he politically assasinated the previous woman.

>>> The intercity fleet is supposed to travel from Sydney to Lithgowon the
>>> Blue Mountains line, and to the Central Coast, Newcastle and down to
>>> Kiama on the South Coast line.

>> But nothing for Newcastle. Unsurprising given the physical
>> obstacles on that route.

> A couple are dedicated for Newcastle, yes the track needs work on that
> the weak link in fast train service

>>>>> Labor for a long time have been a indecisive, squabble.
>>>>
>>>> That is one thing Albo did manage, no real squabbling
>>>> at all while he was driving the opposition bus. He does
>>>> appear to be pandering to the climate change fools but
>>>> with any luck it will just be zero emission targets which
>>>> he won't still be PM to have to admit they have failed.
>>
>>> So was ScoMo pandering to Climate Change
>>> June 29, 1989 "UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental
>>> official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth
>>> by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by
>>> the year 2000."
>>> People still believe crap?

>> Clearly plenty of the most stupid voters do given saturday's result.

> It the way Lobbyists push it to their media and Politicians

imo they are irrelevant.

>>>>> The ones they are replacing were the same.

>>>> ScoMo was very decisive about the action on covid very early on.

>>> Not good enough according to the nutters like the dumb3

>> Yeah, that fool Trevor stupidly claims that one of the best
>> results in the world early on with the majors was down to
>> the states when it fact it was their megafuckups which
>> really fucked things up and which are responsible for
>> the current 30-40 deaths a day.

> Again the slant pushed by media, Also ScoMo was not good atmedia image,
> Albo isn't either. Dutton and Barnaby Joyce are.

Dont buy that with Joyce given that he was
too stupid to avoid have that kid on the side.

Not that it matters given that the nats did fine.

> My take on Fast Rail--
> Problem with Rail is Lobbyist's
> Until the tracks are upgraded to handle existing speeds of our
> fleet.
> "The longest distance between two points" is presently state rail!
> 8am Tokyo to Hiroshima arrives 11am time for lunch trip is quiet and
> fast.
> Sydney/Melbourne would of had that in the 1990's at no cost to tax
> payer if it wasn't for Labor governments!

> The major problem was incompetence, lack of planningsupport from
> Federal and state governments.

I don't see that it has anything to do with the feds.

There has been an immense amount of upgrading
of rail in sydney, where it should have been.

> The Governments were pandering to NIMBY groups untrue nonsense.
> Threatening the VFT with opening up the airways, station stops that
> were uneconomic.

> It became obvious the 3rd world Governments of Australia, both state
> and federal, that their lobbyists did not want the VFT to go ahead.

IMO it makes no sense, far too expensive.

> The main players then told the Australian governmentto bugger off, stop
> time wasting then walking away.

On 22/05/2022 10:48 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
> Fran wrote on 22/5/22 5:58 am:
>> On 21/05/2022 1:57 pm, Max wrote:
>>> On 21/05/2022 12:18 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> If you vote informally, ie. you don't fill in enough boxes, what
>>>>> are the chances you get in trouble for this?
>>>>
>>>> Zero, nada, ziltch, not a chance. It's a secret ballot, stupid.
>>>
>>> It is still an offence to vote informally,
>>
>> Cite?   I'm pretty certain you are wrong about that claim but couldn't
>> be bothered to find out for sure.
>
> It's only required that YOU turn up and get your name marked off!!

We've been talking about if it's illegal to vote informal once one turns up.

It used to be 'illegal' to do so although all of us who answered said
no-one woud even know so no action could be taken, but as Max has
confirmed, it no longer is 'illegal' to vote informally.

> If you wanted to, you could leave your Ballot papers sitting on the
> table where you just had your name marked off, or you could throw the
> ballot papers in the rubbish bin,

Not when it was illagal to vote informal you couldn't.

or you could give them to someone
> standing in the queue outside!!

Hmmm. Now that is an interesting one. I doubt that you could do that.
Doing that is probably illegal.
>
> In each case, the Polling Place staff might have words with you, but so
> what!!

BUT when it was illegal to vote informal, that would have resulted in
some action being taken again the person who did that.
>
>> so if it could be proven, the person could get in trouble.
>> --
> Daniel

On 23/05/2022 10:06 am, ~Ördög~ wrote:
> Nomen Nescio posted:
>
>> *** ALP only got 1/3 of primery vote!
>
> So bloody what!

Precisely!!!!!

Craig Kelly, who is the leader of the UAP (the so-called 'Freedom
Party') got a grand total of 6,177 votes, 7.46% of the votes of the
elctorate where he stood.

How disappointing to spend $180M and get such a low vote for the leader
of that bunch of losers.

On 22/05/2022 11:00 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
> Fran wrote on 21/5/22 11:38 am:
>> On 21/05/2022 10:28 am, Leroy N. Sotero wrote:
>>> I am surprised they even come out of lockdown.
>>> Stop living in fear!
>>
>> Cite?
>>
>> I call Bullshit on your claim.
>
> I'd back your 'Bullshit' claim, Fran!!

:-)))))). Only yank wankers would bother to put up such a stupid post.

> At the Polling Place I worked at, the AEC supplied pencils and pens ....
> which were taken from a box marked 'clean' and deposited in a box marked
> 'Used' prior to being sanitised after each use and returned to the box
> marked 'clean'!!

Yep. Only a yank wanker wouldn't know how that 'clean' and 'used'
pen/pencil box has come to be the norm in a civilised society.....
:-))))))))

On 23/05/2022 8:18 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 22/05/2022 2:19 pm, Fran wrote:
>> On 22/05/2022 9:13 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 22/05/2022 9:09 am, Petzl wrote:
>>
>>>> Albanese will be backstabbed shortly (before Christmas) by freak
>>>> animal Penny Wong, or a similar farm animal.
>>
>> Jesus wept.  Wong is in the Senate yu booby!
>>>
>>> **Not a snowball's chance in Hell. For two reasons:
>>>
>>> 1) Labor will give Albo a chance to work in what is likely to be a
>>> minority government.
>>> 2) Labor has itself structured such that leaders being stabbed in the
>>> back is extremely unlikely.
>>
>> And, c) Wong is in the Senate.
>>>
>>> That said, we can only hope that Penny Wong is leader at the next
>>> election. She is smart, talented and would make a formidable leader.
>>
>> SHE'S A SENATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> PMs are members of the Reps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>
> **All true, but not insurmountable.

Bronwyn Bishop tried it and look how well that worked for her? Not
gunna happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGKfqSJbeAg

On Mon, 23 May 2022 10:58:40 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>>>> It seems abundantly clear to me that Australians have voted that
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> want a government to reflect the majority view. IOW: Right down the
>>>>>>>> middle. Neither far left, nor far right.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wish the USA would vote for a more moderate representation. Biden
>>>>>>> claimed he was moderate, but it turned out he was very far left. We
>>>>>>> have become like Venezuela in some ways. Can't even keep products
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the store shelf and prices going up daily
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How the Libs will manage with that Nazi, Dutton, in charge, is
>>>>>>>> anyone's
>>>>>>>> guess.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Australia will find out which direction PMAnthony Albanese will take
>>>>>> the Nation,
>>>>>
>>>>> No PM really ever takes the country anywhere,
>>>>> they basically just react to events.
>>>
>>>> Not called "wrong way Albo" for nothing
>>>
>>>>>> if he can take it anywhere,
>>>
>>>>> We survived the dud and Juliar and will survive Albo too.
>>>
>>>>> It will be interesting to see if he is actually silly enough
>>>>> to spend anything on the Newcastle VFT or if it was just
>>>>> smoke and mirrors and won't actually happen.
>>>
>>>> The highspeed InterCity trains have been built by NSW Liberals already
>>>> and have been ready to go for about a year, the "Union" have delayed
>>>> them moviving till after election.
>>>> <https://www.9news.com.au/national/transport-news-nsw-government-decides-to-roll-out-new-intercity-fleet-despite-union-safety-concerns/459f2ffe-c8b9-4f8b-8bcd-10562161a6e4>
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yxe5p9x9
>>>
>>> Going to be interesting to watch what Perrottet does now
>>> given how slim his govt margin is and with elections due
>>> next year and how badly the Libs have done last saturday.
>
>> I don't see Perrottet as bad,
>
>I don't either except for relaxing the lockdowns and checkins
>much too early and not bothering to notify those who had been
>in the same place as an infected person.
>
>> but needs to be better media trained.
>
>Beats that fool Mins who hasn't even been heard of
>since he politically assasinated the previous woman.
>
Mins?

>> The intercity fleet is supposed to travel from Sydney to Lithgowon the
>>>> Blue Mountains line, and to the Central Coast, Newcastle and down to
>>>> Kiama on the South Coast line.
>
>>> But nothing for Newcastle. Unsurprising given the physical
>>> obstacles on that route.
>
>> A couple are dedicated for Newcastle, yes the track needs work on that
>> the weak link in fast train service
>
>>>>>> Labor for a long time have been a indecisive, squabble.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is one thing Albo did manage, no real squabbling
>>>>> at all while he was driving the opposition bus. He does
>>>>> appear to be pandering to the climate change fools but
>>>>> with any luck it will just be zero emission targets which
>>>>> he won't still be PM to have to admit they have failed.
>>>
>>>> So was ScoMo pandering to Climate Change
>>>> June 29, 1989 "UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental
>>>> official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth
>>>> by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by
>>>> the year 2000."
>>>> People still believe crap?
>
>>> Clearly plenty of the most stupid voters do given saturday's result.
>
>> It the way Lobbyists push it to their media and Politicians
>
>imo they are irrelevant.
>
IMO that's how politicians get big money
>

>>>>>> The ones they are replacing were the same.
>
>>>>> ScoMo was very decisive about the action on covid very early on.
>
>>>> Not good enough according to the nutters like the dumb3
>
>>> Yeah, that fool Trevor stupidly claims that one of the best
>>> results in the world early on with the majors was down to
>>> the states when it fact it was their megafuckups which
>>> really fucked things up and which are responsible for
>>> the current 30-40 deaths a day.
>
>> Again the slant pushed by media, Also ScoMo was not good atmedia image,
>> Albo isn't either. Dutton and Barnaby Joyce are.
>
>Dont buy that with Joyce given that he was
>too stupid to avoid have that kid on the side.
>
>Not that it matters given that the nats did fine.
>
Joyce just had his dirty linen exposed did not seem to worry his
voters. Worse IMO was Joyce and Taylor opening a Cayman Island bank
account to funnel tax payer dollars to.
<https://michaelwest.com.au/barnaby-joyce-80m-valuation-discrepancy/>
>
>> My take on Fast Rail--
>> Problem with Rail is Lobbyist's
>> Until the tracks are upgraded to handle existing speeds of our
>> fleet.
>> "The longest distance between two points" is presently state rail!
>> 8am Tokyo to Hiroshima arrives 11am time for lunch trip is quiet and
>> fast.
>> Sydney/Melbourne would of had that in the 1990's at no cost to tax
>> payer if it wasn't for Labor governments!
>
>> The major problem was incompetence, lack of planningsupport from
>> Federal and state governments.
>
>I don't see that it has anything to do with the feds.
>
Was to do with
ACT, Victoria and the ACT (Federal 1990)

>There has been an immense amount of upgrading
>of rail in sydney, where it should have been.
>
No thanks to Labor

>> The Governments were pandering to NIMBY groups untrue nonsense.
>> Threatening the VFT with opening up the airways, station stops that
>> were uneconomic.
>
>> It became obvious the 3rd world Governments of Australia, both state
>> and federal, that their lobbyists did not want the VFT to go ahead.
>
>IMO it makes no sense, far too expensive.
>
There was to be no cost to the Tax payer
Private enterprise saw the Sydney Melbourne and vice versa a profit
maker
The two losers would have been Qantas and Macquarie Bank (Sydney
Airport operators)
>
>> The main players then told the Australian governmentto bugger off, stop
>> time wasting then walking away.
--
Petzl
"Our" Media and Major parties are run by lobbyists

Lobbyists write the laws, parliament sells the laws,
paid lucrative commissions for passing their laws.
That’s the modern legislative business of parliament.

When we talk about paying-off politicians in third-world
countries we call it bribery.
However, when we undertake the same process in parliament.
we call it lobbying.

On Mon, 23 May 2022 10:48:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 23 May 2022 10:03:36 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 May 2022 09:27:09 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 22 May 2022 09:55:38 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:56:18 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you vote informally, ie. you don't fill in enough boxes, what are
>>>>> the
>>>>> chances you get in trouble for this?
>>>>>
>>>> Never complained to me
>>>> I just draw a cock and balls on ballots (they get the most votes if
>>>> they were counted)
>>>
>>> Yeah well, I'm voting postal in future. I decided to vote at the
>>> local school just up from work, and as late as possible to avoid the
>>> riff-raff in the queue.
>>> When I arrived there was a queue so long it wrapped round the Earth. I
>>> was wedged behind a woman with halitosis,and this I had to endure for
>>> a good 30 minutes. It was getting cold and dark. Eventually after
>>> waiting in the vast school hall for 15min I discovered I was in the
>>> wrong queue and had to start again in the queue for those people
>>> living outside the "****" whatever that was. I was one of the last to
>>> leave after one whole hour!!! I was dark when I left and the school
>>> grounds were unlit necessitating a grope towards the gate, which was
>>> now locked, over which I had to scramble!
>>>
>>> When I woke the next morning I heard the wrong side had won.
>>>
>>> Stuff it! BAH...!
>>>
>> I'm in Sydney went to do a bit of shopping first, 1PM, passed a number
>> of poll places all full encircled by "Free Parking Brigade",one car,
>> one driver, one FREE parking space.
>>
>> Went in to vote must of been 300 cars parked outside, only around 20
>> people inside. Only took around 10 minutes in and out, nobody moved
>> from parking spots?
>>
>> Labor got less primary vote percentages than they have in history
>> 31.9%. The Coalition 35.3%
>> So 65% of voters did not want Labor or Coalition.
>
>You have that backwards, 67% did.
>
No 31.9% voted for Labor
35.3% voted for coalition
Labor/Coalition parties did not get over 36% of the vote
Coalition was the first past the winning post!
>> The "Independents" were just funnels for Labor/Coalition/"Greens"
--
Petzl
If voting made any difference,
They wouldn't let us do it- Mark Twain

Petz

/Autosnip: Far-right Trolls and Septic Yanks/

> Ördög
>> Petz
>>> Never complained to me I just draw a cock and balls on ballots
>>>(they get the most votes if they were counted)
>
>> Liar! Why don't you just admit which idiotic far-right candidate
>> you wasted your vote on?
>> ON? Clive Palmer mob? Some Xtian crusader?

/snip/

>>> Labor got less primary vote percentages than they have in
>>> history 31.9%. The Coalition 35.3%
>>> So 65% of voters did not want Labor or Coalition.

>> Your math is fucked, Pertz dear!
>> So ALP+Coalition ...
>> 31.9 + 35.3 = 67.2
>> Alas the non aligned voters amunt to what?
>> 100 - 67.2 = 32.8
>>
>>> The "Independents" were just funnels for Labor/Coalition/"Greens"
>>
>> Is that why we have now so many independents and Greens both in the
>> lover and upper House of Parliament?
>> Finally real democracy is catching up with OZ! A two party duopoly is
>> only slightly better than a one party monopoly.
>> Sour grapes for you (and rightarded ilk), Petz dear.
>> Flushing down OZ into the alt-right cesspit had suffered a great
>> setback, at least for the moment.
>> Why don't you just fuck off to Septic Yankland, preferably to the
>> Bible Belt to enjoy the man made Hell of extreme rightardism?
>> Go Petz, GO! Nobody is going to miss you in OZ!
>>
> 31.9% voted for Labor 35.3% voted for coalition Labor/Coalition
> parties did not get over 36% of the vote Coalition was the first past
> the winning post!
>
Shifting the goal posts on the run, oh how pathetic!

No such "first past the post" criteria in the Australian preferential
voting system.
Fuck off, Petz to the Brexited UK or to the holy-shit US Bible Belt where
you'd fit in a lot better than in our truly more democratic Australia.
GO! FUCK OFF! Bye-bye!

~~~
~~~
Busting Petz's copy and paste misused quotation sig:

> If voting made any difference ...

....but it does. The results speak for themselves.
Hence we can't get a decent government as low IQ creeps, mindless morons,
under- and miseducated brainwashed drones and ego maniacs business crooks
also allowed to vote. That is the weakness of Democracy.
The alternatives are usually even worse.

Completely changing the econopolitical/sociopolitical system from ground
up and at the same time improving the level pf education of the general
population is the only possible long term fix for this conundrum.
~~

--
Ördög - -
The real one (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)

Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps, all of those Trump's deplorables, idiots like
Petz and his fellow septic and OZ crazies.
They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>

On Mon, 23 May 2022 17:18:33 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 23 May 2022 10:48:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 May 2022 10:03:36 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 23 May 2022 09:27:09 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 22 May 2022 09:55:38 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:56:18 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you vote informally, ie. you don't fill in enough boxes, what are
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> chances you get in trouble for this?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Never complained to me
>>>>> I just draw a cock and balls on ballots (they get the most votes if
>>>>> they were counted)
>>>>
>>>> Yeah well, I'm voting postal in future. I decided to vote at the
>>>> local school just up from work, and as late as possible to avoid the
>>>> riff-raff in the queue.
>>>> When I arrived there was a queue so long it wrapped round the Earth. I
>>>> was wedged behind a woman with halitosis,and this I had to endure for
>>>> a good 30 minutes. It was getting cold and dark. Eventually after
>>>> waiting in the vast school hall for 15min I discovered I was in the
>>>> wrong queue and had to start again in the queue for those people
>>>> living outside the "****" whatever that was. I was one of the last to
>>>> leave after one whole hour!!! I was dark when I left and the school
>>>> grounds were unlit necessitating a grope towards the gate, which was
>>>> now locked, over which I had to scramble!
>>>>
>>>> When I woke the next morning I heard the wrong side had won.
>>>>
>>>> Stuff it! BAH...!
>>>>
>>> I'm in Sydney went to do a bit of shopping first, 1PM, passed a number
>>> of poll places all full encircled by "Free Parking Brigade",one car,
>>> one driver, one FREE parking space.
>>>
>>> Went in to vote must of been 300 cars parked outside, only around 20
>>> people inside. Only took around 10 minutes in and out, nobody moved
>>> from parking spots?
>>>
>>> Labor got less primary vote percentages than they have in history
>>> 31.9%. The Coalition 35.3%
>>> So 65% of voters did not want Labor or Coalition.
>>
>> You have that backwards, 67% did.
>>
> No 31.9% voted for Labor
> 35.3% voted for coalition

So 67% voted for the coalition or labor, stupid.

> Labor/Coalition parties did not get over 36% of the vote

But 67% voted for the coalition or labor, stupid.

> Coalition was the first past the winning post!

But preferences matter, stupid.

>>> The "Independents" were just funnels for Labor/Coalition/"Greens"

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>>> It seems abundantly clear to me that Australians have voted that
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> want a government to reflect the majority view. IOW: Right down
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> middle. Neither far left, nor far right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wish the USA would vote for a more moderate representation.
>>>>>>>> Biden
>>>>>>>> claimed he was moderate, but it turned out he was very far left.
>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>> have become like Venezuela in some ways. Can't even keep products
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> the store shelf and prices going up daily
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How the Libs will manage with that Nazi, Dutton, in charge, is
>>>>>>>>> anyone's
>>>>>>>>> guess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Australia will find out which direction PMAnthony Albanese will
>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>> the Nation,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No PM really ever takes the country anywhere,
>>>>>> they basically just react to events.
>>>>
>>>>> Not called "wrong way Albo" for nothing
>>>>
>>>>>>> if he can take it anywhere,
>>>>
>>>>>> We survived the dud and Juliar and will survive Albo too.
>>>>
>>>>>> It will be interesting to see if he is actually silly enough
>>>>>> to spend anything on the Newcastle VFT or if it was just
>>>>>> smoke and mirrors and won't actually happen.
>>>>
>>>>> The highspeed InterCity trains have been built by NSW Liberals
>>>>> already
>>>>> and have been ready to go for about a year, the "Union" have delayed
>>>>> them moviving till after election.
>>>>> <https://www.9news.com.au/national/transport-news-nsw-government-decides-to-roll-out-new-intercity-fleet-despite-union-safety-concerns/459f2ffe-c8b9-4f8b-8bcd-10562161a6e4>
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yxe5p9x9
>>>>
>>>> Going to be interesting to watch what Perrottet does now
>>>> given how slim his govt margin is and with elections due
>>>> next year and how badly the Libs have done last saturday.
>>
>>> I don't see Perrottet as bad,
>>
>> I don't either except for relaxing the lockdowns and checkins
>> much too early and not bothering to notify those who had been
>> in the same place as an infected person.
>>
>>> but needs to be better media trained.
>>
>> Beats that fool Mins who hasn't even been heard of
>> since he politically assasinated the previous woman.

> Mins?

The new NSW Labor 'leader'

>>> The intercity fleet is supposed to travel from Sydney to Lithgowon the
>>>>> Blue Mountains line, and to the Central Coast, Newcastle and down to
>>>>> Kiama on the South Coast line.
>>
>>>> But nothing for Newcastle. Unsurprising given the physical
>>>> obstacles on that route.
>>
>>> A couple are dedicated for Newcastle, yes the track needs work on that
>>> the weak link in fast train service
>>
>>>>>>> Labor for a long time have been a indecisive, squabble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is one thing Albo did manage, no real squabbling
>>>>>> at all while he was driving the opposition bus. He does
>>>>>> appear to be pandering to the climate change fools but
>>>>>> with any luck it will just be zero emission targets which
>>>>>> he won't still be PM to have to admit they have failed.
>>>>
>>>>> So was ScoMo pandering to Climate Change
>>>>> June 29, 1989 "UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental
>>>>> official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth
>>>>> by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by
>>>>> the year 2000."
>>>>> People still believe crap?
>>
>>>> Clearly plenty of the most stupid voters do given saturday's result.
>>
>>> It the way Lobbyists push it to their media and Politicians
>>
>> imo they are irrelevant.
>>
> IMO that's how politicians get big money

Nope.

>>>>>>> The ones they are replacing were the same.
>>
>>>>>> ScoMo was very decisive about the action on covid very early on.
>>
>>>>> Not good enough according to the nutters like the dumb3
>>
>>>> Yeah, that fool Trevor stupidly claims that one of the best
>>>> results in the world early on with the majors was down to
>>>> the states when it fact it was their megafuckups which
>>>> really fucked things up and which are responsible for
>>>> the current 30-40 deaths a day.
>>
>>> Again the slant pushed by media, Also ScoMo was not good atmedia
>>> image,
>>> Albo isn't either. Dutton and Barnaby Joyce are.
>>
>> Dont buy that with Joyce given that he was
>> too stupid to avoid have that kid on the side.
>>
>> Not that it matters given that the nats did fine.

> Joyce just had his dirty linen exposed did not seem to worry his voters.

Nothing dirty about that linen, they use nappys now.

> Worse IMO was Joyce and Taylor opening a Cayman Island bank
> account to funnel tax payer dollars to.
> <https://michaelwest.com.au/barnaby-joyce-80m-valuation-discrepancy/>

There was no taxpayers money involved with Joyce.

>>> My take on Fast Rail--
>>> Problem with Rail is Lobbyist's
>>> Until the tracks are upgraded to handle existing speeds of our
>>> fleet.
>>> "The longest distance between two points" is presently state rail!
>>> 8am Tokyo to Hiroshima arrives 11am time for lunch trip is quiet and
>>> fast.
>>> Sydney/Melbourne would of had that in the 1990's at no cost to tax
>>> payer if it wasn't for Labor governments!
>>
>>> The major problem was incompetence, lack of planningsupport from
>>> Federal and state governments.
>>
>> I don't see that it has anything to do with the feds.

> Was to do with
> ACT, Victoria and the ACT (Federal 1990)

Which was no VFT.

>> There has been an immense amount of upgrading
>> of rail in sydney, where it should have been.

> No thanks to Labor

>>> The Governments were pandering to NIMBY groups untrue nonsense.
>>> Threatening the VFT with opening up the airways, station stops that
>>> were uneconomic.

>>> It became obvious the 3rd world Governments of Australia, both state
>>> and federal, that their lobbyists did not want the VFT to go ahead.

>> IMO it makes no sense, far too expensive.

> There was to be no cost to the Tax payer

That was always bullshit.

> Private enterprise saw the Sydney Melbourneand vice versa a profit maker

Only if they got a govt handout on the adjacent land. Fuck that.

> The two losers would have been Qantas andMacquarie Bank (Sydney Airport
> operators)

Bullshit, it was never going to happen.

>>> The main players then told the Australian governmentto bugger off,
>>> stop
>>> time wasting then walking away.

Fran wrote on 23/5/22 10:53 am:
> On 22/05/2022 8:00 pm, Max wrote:
>> On 22/05/2022 7:05 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Sun, 22 May 2022 18:58:59 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>
>>>>>  That isn't even possible for a govt to impose, stupid.
>>>
>>>> How do you know?
>>>
>>> That is pathetic even for you.
>>>
>>>> Maybe the PM can pray to God to make it happen?
>>>
>>> There is no god, fuckwit child.
>>
>> You're going to feel pretty stupid when you are burning in the fires
>> of hell.
>
> To believe in the existence of a God (aka sky pixie) to be consistent
> one must also believe in the other unseen entities like Santa Claus, the
> Tooth Fairy, Pixies, Leprechauns, Yetis etc.  I dont' beleive in any of
> those things
>
> And if one does believe in a God, why that particular God and not one of
> the other hundreds of Gods?  I've decided that if I ever feel the need
> to worship some sort of deity, I'll worship Ganesha.

"Ganesha" .... Is that how they spell 'God' in India?? ;-P
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Daniel

Fran wrote on 23/5/22 11:00 am:
> On 22/05/2022 10:48 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
>> Fran wrote on 22/5/22 5:58 am:
>>> On 21/05/2022 1:57 pm, Max wrote:
>>>> On 21/05/2022 12:18 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you vote informally, ie. you don't fill in enough boxes, what
>>>>>> are the chances you get in trouble for this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Zero, nada, ziltch, not a chance. It's a secret ballot, stupid.
>>>>
>>>> It is still an offence to vote informally,
>>>
>>> Cite?   I'm pretty certain you are wrong about that claim but
>>> couldn't be bothered to find out for sure.
>>
>> It's only required that YOU turn up and get your name marked off!!
>
> We've been talking about if it's illegal to vote informal once one turns
> up.
>
> It used to be 'illegal' to do so although all of us who answered said
> no-one woud even know so no action could be taken, but as Max has
> confirmed, it no longer is 'illegal' to vote informally.
>
>> If you wanted to, you could leave your Ballot papers sitting on the
>> table where you just had your name marked off, or you could throw the
>> ballot papers in the rubbish bin,
>
> Not when it was illagal to vote informal you couldn't.

B.M.T., as 'they' say!! "Before My Time!" ;-P

>> or you could give them to someone
>> standing in the queue outside!!
>
> Hmmm.  Now that is an interesting one.  I doubt that you could do that.
> Doing that is probably illegal.

If there is no way of telling who cast which vote, how could the
individual be identified??

>> In each case, the Polling Place staff might have words with you, but
>> so what!!
>
> BUT when it was illegal to vote informal, that would have resulted in
> some action being taken again the person who did that.

B.M.T., as 'they' say!! "Before My Time!" ;-P

>>> so if it could be proven, the person could get in trouble.

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Daniel