~Ördög~ wrote on 23/5/22 10:41 am:
> Petz
> /Autosnip: Far-right Trolls and Septic Yanks/
>
>> Petz
>>> Never complained to me I just draw a cock and balls on ballots
>>> (they get the most votes if they were counted)
>>
> Liar! Why don't you just admit which idiotic far-right candidate you
> wasted your vote on? ON? Clive Palmer mob? Some Xtian crusader?

"Some Xtian crusader?" Hmm! Just occurred to me .... Whatever happened
to the D.L.P.??

I don't recall seeing them on my ballot papers on Saturday!
--
Daniel

On 23/05/2022 6:52 pm, ~Ördög~ wrote:
> Petz
>
> /Autosnip: Far-right Trolls and Septic Yanks/
>
>> Ördög
>>> Petz
>>>> Never complained to me I just draw a cock and balls on ballots
>>>> (they get the most votes if they were counted)
>>
>>> Liar! Why don't you just admit which idiotic far-right candidate
>>> you wasted your vote on?
>>> ON? Clive Palmer mob? Some Xtian crusader?
>
> /snip/
>
>>>> Labor got less primary vote percentages than they have in
>>>> history 31.9%. The Coalition 35.3%
>>>> So 65% of voters did not want Labor or Coalition.
>
>>> Your math is fucked, Pertz dear!
>>> So ALP+Coalition ...
>>> 31.9 + 35.3 = 67.2
>>> Alas the non aligned voters amunt to what?
>>> 100 - 67.2 = 32.8
>>>
>>>> The "Independents" were just funnels for Labor/Coalition/"Greens"
>>>
>>> Is that why we have now so many independents and Greens both in the
>>> lover and upper House of Parliament?
>>> Finally real democracy is catching up with OZ! A two party duopoly is
>>> only slightly better than a one party monopoly.
>>> Sour grapes for you (and rightarded ilk), Petz dear.
>>> Flushing down OZ into the alt-right cesspit had suffered a great
>>> setback, at least for the moment.
>>> Why don't you just fuck off to Septic Yankland, preferably to the
>>> Bible Belt to enjoy the man made Hell of extreme rightardism?
>>> Go Petz, GO! Nobody is going to miss you in OZ!
>>>
>> 31.9% voted for Labor 35.3% voted for coalition Labor/Coalition
>> parties did not get over 36% of the vote Coalition was the first past
>> the winning post!
>>
> Shifting the goal posts on the run, oh how pathetic!
>
> No such "first past the post" criteria in the Australian preferential
> voting system.
> Fuck off, Petz to the Brexited UK or to the holy-shit US Bible Belt where
> you'd fit in a lot better than in our truly more democratic Australia.
> GO! FUCK OFF! Bye-bye!
>

If he went to the UK or US, he would still be able to post here, so
what's the point?

> ~~~
> ~~~
> Busting Petz's copy and paste misused quotation sig:
>
>> If voting made any difference ...
>
> ...but it does. The results speak for themselves.
> Hence we can't get a decent government as low IQ creeps, mindless morons,
> under- and miseducated brainwashed drones and ego maniacs business crooks
> also allowed to vote. That is the weakness of Democracy.
> The alternatives are usually even worse.
>
> Completely changing the econopolitical/sociopolitical system from ground
> up and at the same time improving the level pf education of the general
> population is the only possible long term fix for this conundrum.
> ~~
>

Are you saying that a more left wing socialist system is objectively better?

> --
> Ördög - -
> The real one (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)
>
> Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
> neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
> supremacist racist creeps, all of those Trump's deplorables, idiots like
> Petz and his fellow septic and OZ crazies.
> They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
> <http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>

On Monday, 23 May 2022 at 20:29:43 UTC+10, Daniel65 wrote:
> Fran wrote on 23/5/22 10:53 am:
> > On 22/05/2022 8:00 pm, Max wrote:
> >> On 22/05/2022 7:05 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 22 May 2022 18:58:59 +1000, Max <m...@val.morgan> wrote:
> >
> >>>>> That isn't even possible for a govt to impose, stupid.
> >>>
> >>>> How do you know?
> >>>
> >>> That is pathetic even for you.
> >>>
> >>>> Maybe the PM can pray to God to make it happen?
> >>>
> >>> There is no god, fuckwit child.

Not for any robot like Rod3po.
> >>
> >> You're going to feel pretty stupid when you are burning in the fires
> >> of hell.

Bad enough to be a gassy robot, a hellish stinker.
> >
> > To believe in the existence of a God (aka sky pixie) to be consistent
> > one must also believe in the other unseen entities like Santa Claus, the
> > Tooth Fairy, Pixies, Leprechauns, Yetis etc.

Not at all. God is by definition a spiritual being, so cannot manifest in any material form
like Santa Claus etc.

> I dont' beleive in any of
> > those things

Robots cannot believe.
> > And if one does believe in a God, why that particular God and not one of
> > the other hundreds of Gods?

That particular God is a jealous God, and his followers are very tenacious in their
belief of that particular God. They will go to any extent to propagate their belief
in their particular jealous God. So as their numbers are great, it makes sense to
fall in line and believe like them, thus gaining many material advanages;
unless one is like me, far too happy in following my age-old
Vedic consciousness.

I've decided that if I ever feel the need
> > to worship some sort of deity, I'll worship Ganesha.
> "Ganesha" .... Is that how they spell 'God' in India?? ;-P

Good choice, for Ganesha is the first deity to be prayed to, before praying to other Vedic deities.

Details about Ganesha are to be found in my book "The Son of Hiranyaksh".
I have posted it, with annotations, in my facebook timeline in 2019.
It should also be there in Usenet.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
> --
> Daniel

On Mon, 23 May 2022 20:46:24 +1000, Daniel65
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

> ~Ördög~ wrote on 23/5/22 10:41 am:
>> Petz
>> /Autosnip: Far-right Trolls and Septic Yanks/
>>
>>> Petz
>>>> Never complained to me I just draw a cock and balls on ballots
>>>> (they get the most votes if they were counted)
>>>
>> Liar! Why don't you just admit which idiotic far-right candidate you
>> wasted your vote on? ON? Clive Palmer mob? Some Xtian crusader?
>
> "Some Xtian crusader?" Hmm! Just occurred to me .... Whatever happened
> to the D.L.P.??

The all died. The Fred Nile party is still around, we had one in my
electorate.
Didn't get even a single vote.

> I don't recall seeing them on my ballot papers on Saturday!

In aus.legal Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
> ~?rd?g~ wrote on 23/5/22 10:41 am:
>>>
>> Liar! Why don't you just admit which idiotic far-right candidate you
>> wasted your vote on? ON? Clive Palmer mob? Some Xtian crusader?
>
> "Some Xtian crusader?" Hmm! Just occurred to me .... Whatever happened
> to the D.L.P.??
>
> I don't recall seeing them on my ballot papers on Saturday!

"In August 2021, the Federal Liberal government passed the so-called
Electoral Legislation Amendment (Party Registration Integrity) Act
2021. This act tripled the minimum number of members required for
political parties to register and gave exclusive rights to the
words "liberal" and "labor" to the Liberal and Australian Labor
parties respectively.
As a result of this legislation, after being in existence for 65
years, the DLP has been deregistered.
While we are currently appealing this decision, this
anti-democratic action by the Morrison Government has resulted in
our being unable to contest the 2022 Federal Election."
https://dlp.org.au/dlp-blocked-from-running-in-2022-federal-election/

Though I've never been a DLP backer, the loss of some other parties
due to the minimum member number being raised from 500 to 1,500
annoyed me more, plus it's resulted in the assult of "JOIN US!"
pleas on many small party websites that I visited while doing my
usual comprehensive pre-election research.

Perhaps the last government saw the turn to alternative parties
coming and tried to cut them down in response?

--
__ __
#_ < |\| |< _#

On Tue, 24 May 2022 08:59:07 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev
<not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:

> In aus.legal Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>> ~?rd?g~ wrote on 23/5/22 10:41 am:
>>>>
>>> Liar! Why don't you just admit which idiotic far-right candidate you
>>> wasted your vote on? ON? Clive Palmer mob? Some Xtian crusader?
>>
>> "Some Xtian crusader?" Hmm! Just occurred to me .... Whatever happened
>> to the D.L.P.??
>>
>> I don't recall seeing them on my ballot papers on Saturday!
>
> "In August 2021, the Federal Liberal government passed the so-called
> Electoral Legislation Amendment (Party Registration Integrity) Act
> 2021. This act tripled the minimum number of members required for
> political parties to register and gave exclusive rights to the
> words "liberal" and "labor" to the Liberal and Australian Labor
> parties respectively.
> As a result of this legislation, after being in existence for 65
> years, the DLP has been deregistered.
> While we are currently appealing this decision, this
> anti-democratic action by the Morrison Government has resulted in
> our being unable to contest the 2022 Federal Election."
> https://dlp.org.au/dlp-blocked-from-running-in-2022-federal-election/
>
> Though I've never been a DLP backer, the loss of some other parties
> due to the minimum member number being raised from 500 to 1,500
> annoyed me more, plus it's resulted in the assult of "JOIN US!"
> pleas on many small party websites that I visited while doing my
> usual comprehensive pre-election research.
>
> Perhaps the last government saw the turn to alternative parties
> coming and tried to cut them down in response?

Yeah, more than a dozen in my electorate with no chance of
anyone but the Lib candidate winning and it isnt even a capital
city seat. Barking mad imo.

On Mon, 23 May 2022 19:23:57 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>> There was to be no cost to the Tax payer
>
>That was always bullshit.
>
>> Private enterprise saw the Sydney Melbourneand vice versa a profit maker
>
>Only if they got a govt handout on the adjacent land. Fuck that.
>
>> The two losers would have been Qantas andMacquarie Bank (Sydney Airport
>> operators)
>
>Bullshit, it was never going to happen.
>
>>>> The main players then told the Australian governmentto bugger off,
>>>> stop time wasting then walking away.
>
Heres Alan Castleman account from 1991

I THE LAST LUNCHEON: Alan Castleman, the VFT project chief, reflects
on what might have been before a last luncheon with staff yesterday.
By IAN DAVIS,
Finance Editor
The Very Fast Train closes its project office in Canberra today,
ending any immediate prospects that the visionary S10 biilion rail
linkbetween Sydney, Canberra and Melbourne will proceed. The VFT
consortium chief executive, Alan Castleman, a BHP senior executive on
secondment to the project, who will return to a new position with the
Big Australian once he has finished folding the tent for the project,
proclaims himself "not gloomy" about what has happened, but admits to
being somewhat frustrated.
Mr Castleman has no doubts about what has killed the project off — at
least for the time being. "Lack of commitment. They [the Government]
didn't try and And a way
through the problems,*' he says. "Inthis country we are too problem
oriented. As a nation we are too inclined to look at the problems
rather than the solutions," he says. Mr Castleman says government
refusal to give any concrete support for the concept has killed the
project off before it was possible to know whether it was feasible. Mr
Castleman says it was not just tax issues which killed the project.
Equally important was the inability of the four governments — NSW,
ACT, Victoria and the ACT — to agree on the process for getting
approvals.
There were, he says, elements of support and opposition to the project
in all governments but in none of the four governments with which the
project dealt was the balance so overwhelmingly in favour of the
project and so constructive in its approach as it was in the ACT.
However, Mr Castleman strongly criticised the Federal Treasury for its
narrow, tax-oriented views. Treasury lacked any ability to consider
the wider macro-economic consequences of projects and their long-term
effect on government reve nue and the economy generally. Mr Castleman
rejects suggestions that reluctance by three of the consortium's four
members — Elders (now called Fosters Brewing), TNT and Kumagai Gumi —
to proceed with funding the project was at least as important as the
Government's refusal to find solutions to the tax disincentives faced
by large-scale projects in Australia and the lack of any agreed
decision-making process for a major project requiring agreement from
four governments. "We told the Government that when we got agreement
[from them) we would get the {new] partners. Potential partners would
not commit themselves until there was a clear path ahead."

--
Petzl
"Our" Media and Major parties are run by lobbyists

Lobbyists write the laws, parliament sells the laws,
paid lucrative commissions for passing their laws.
That’s the modern legislative business of parliament.

When we talk about paying-off politicians in third-world
countries we call it bribery.
However, when we undertake the same process in parliament.
we call it lobbying.

On 23/05/2022 8:29 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
> Fran wrote on 23/5/22 10:53 am:
>> On 22/05/2022 8:00 pm, Max wrote:
>>> On 22/05/2022 7:05 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 22 May 2022 18:58:59 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>  That isn't even possible for a govt to impose, stupid.
>>>>
>>>>> How do you know?
>>>>
>>>> That is pathetic even for you.
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe the PM can pray to God to make it happen?
>>>>
>>>> There is no god, fuckwit child.
>>>
>>> You're going to feel pretty stupid when you are burning in the fires
>>> of hell.
>>
>> To believe in the existence of a God (aka sky pixie) to be consistent
>> one must also believe in the other unseen entities like Santa Claus,
>> the Tooth Fairy, Pixies, Leprechauns, Yetis etc.  I dont' beleive in
>> any of those things
>>
>> And if one does believe in a God, why that particular God and not one
>> of the other hundreds of Gods?  I've decided that if I ever feel the
>> need to worship some sort of deity, I'll worship Ganesha.
>
> "Ganesha" .... Is that how they spell 'God' in India?? ;-P

It's the name of one specific God.

On 23/05/2022 8:39 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
> Fran wrote on 23/5/22 11:00 am:

>>> or you could give them to someone
>>> standing in the queue outside!!
>>
>> Hmmm.  Now that is an interesting one.  I doubt that you could do
>> that. Doing that is probably illegal.
>
> If there is no way of telling who cast which vote, how could the
> individual be identified??

I'm pretty sure (but cna't be faffed to do a hunt) that the relevant
legislation forbids anyone from removing any election papers from the
polling place (obvioulsy not the filled boxes of votes). Anyone seen
beign given their papers then taking their papers then carting them
outside is easily identifiable.
>
>>> In each case, the Polling Place staff might have words with you, but
>>> so what!!
>>
>> BUT when it was illegal to vote informal, that would have resulted in
>> some action being taken again the person who did that.
>
> B.M.T., as 'they' say!! "Before My Time!" ;-P

Irrelevant.
>
>>>> so if it could be proven, the person could get in trouble.
>

On 23/05/2022 6:52 pm, ~Ördög~ wrote:
> Petz

>> 31.9% voted for Labor 35.3% voted for coalition Labor/Coalition
>> parties did not get over 36% of the vote Coalition was the first past
>> the winning post!

Jesus wept. Our resident village idiot still doesn't know a simple
thing like 'preferential voting' is applies to Federal election NOT
'first past the psot'. He's a moron.
>>
> Shifting the goal posts on the run, oh how pathetic!
>
> No such "first past the post" criteria in the Australian preferential
> voting system.

Indeed.

> Fuck off, Petz to the Brexited UK or to the holy-shit US Bible Belt where
> you'd fit in a lot better than in our truly more democratic Australia.
> GO! FUCK OFF! Bye-bye!

We can only hope but sadly I'm sure he'd fail the "Character test' to
migrate to either of those places.

On 23/05/2022 9:24 pm, Max wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 6:52 pm, ~Ördög~ wrote:
>> Petz
>>
>> /Autosnip: Far-right Trolls and Septic Yanks/
>>
>>> Ördög
>>>> Petz
>>>>> Never complained to me I just draw a cock and balls on ballots
>>>>> (they get the most votes if they were counted)
>>>
>>>> Liar! Why don't you just admit which idiotic far-right candidate
>>>> you wasted your vote on?
>>>> ON? Clive Palmer mob? Some Xtian crusader?
>>
>> /snip/
>>
>>>>> Labor got less primary vote percentages than they have in
>>>>> history 31.9%. The Coalition 35.3%
>>>>> So 65% of voters did not want Labor or Coalition.
>>
>>>> Your math is fucked, Pertz dear!
>>>> So ALP+Coalition ...
>>>> 31.9  +  35.3  =  67.2
>>>> Alas the non aligned voters amunt to what?
>>>> 100 - 67.2 = 32.8
>>>>
>>>>> The "Independents" were just funnels for Labor/Coalition/"Greens"
>>>>
>>>> Is that why we have now so many independents and Greens both in the
>>>> lover and upper House of Parliament?
>>>> Finally real democracy is catching up with OZ! A two party duopoly is
>>>> only slightly better than a one party monopoly.
>>>> Sour grapes for you (and rightarded ilk), Petz dear.
>>>> Flushing down OZ into the alt-right cesspit had suffered a great
>>>> setback, at least for the moment.
>>>> Why don't you just fuck off to Septic Yankland, preferably to the
>>>> Bible Belt to enjoy the man made Hell of extreme rightardism?
>>>> Go Petz, GO! Nobody is going to miss you in OZ!
>>>>
>>> 31.9% voted for Labor 35.3% voted for coalition Labor/Coalition
>>> parties did not get over 36% of the vote Coalition was the first past
>>> the winning post!
>>>
>> Shifting the goal posts on the run, oh how pathetic!
>>
>> No such "first past the post" criteria in the Australian preferential
>> voting system.
>> Fuck off, Petz to the Brexited UK or to the holy-shit US Bible Belt where
>> you'd fit in a lot better than in our truly more democratic Australia.
>> GO! FUCK OFF! Bye-bye!
>>
>
> If he went to the UK or US, he would still be able to post here, so
> what's the point?

The 'point' is trying to educate the moron. Sadly he's ineducable.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> There was to be no cost to the Tax payer
>>
>> That was always bullshit.
>>
>>> Private enterprise saw the Sydney Melbourneand vice versa a profit
>>> maker
>>
>> Only if they got a govt handout on the adjacent land. Fuck that.
>>
>>> The two losers would have been Qantas andMacquarie Bank (Sydney
>>> Airport
>>> operators)
>>
>> Bullshit, it was never going to happen.
>>
>>>>> The main players then told the Australian governmentto bugger off,
>>>>> stop time wasting then walking away.
>>
> Heres Alan Castleman account from 1991
>
> I THE LAST LUNCHEON: Alan Castleman, the VFT project chief, reflects
> on what might have been before a last luncheon with staff yesterday.
> By IAN DAVIS,
> Finance Editor
> The Very Fast Train closes its project office in Canberra today,
> ending any immediate prospects that the visionary S10 biilion rail
> linkbetween Sydney, Canberra and Melbourne will proceed. The VFT
> consortium chief executive, Alan Castleman, a BHP senior executive on
> secondment to the project, who will return to a new position with the
> Big Australian once he has finished folding the tent for the project,
> proclaims himself "not gloomy" about what has happened, but admits to
> being somewhat frustrated.
> Mr Castleman has no doubts about what has killed the project off — at
> least for the time being. "Lack of commitment. They [the Government]
> didn't try and And a way
> through the problems,*' he says. "Inthis country we are too problem
> oriented. As a nation we are too inclined to look at the problems
> rather than the solutions," he says. Mr Castleman says government
> refusal to give any concrete support for the concept has killed the
> project off before it was possible to know whether it was feasible. Mr
> Castleman says it was not just tax issues which killed the project.
> Equally important was the inability of the four governments — NSW,
> ACT, Victoria and the ACT — to agree on the process for getting
> approvals.
> There were, he says, elements of support and opposition to the project
> in all governments but in none of the four governments with which the
> project dealt was the balance so overwhelmingly in favour of the
> project and so constructive in its approach as it was in the ACT.
> However, Mr Castleman strongly criticised the Federal Treasury for its
> narrow, tax-oriented views. Treasury lacked any ability to consider
> the wider macro-economic consequences of projects and their long-term
> effect on government reve nue and the economy generally. Mr Castleman
> rejects suggestions that reluctance by three of the consortium's four
> members — Elders (now called Fosters Brewing), TNT and Kumagai Gumi —
> to proceed with funding the project was at least as important as the
> Government's refusal to find solutions to the tax disincentives faced
> by large-scale projects in Australia and the lack of any agreed
> decision-making process for a major project requiring agreement from
> four governments. "We told the Government that when we got agreement
> [from them) we would get the {new] partners. Potential partners would
> not commit themselves until there was a clear path ahead."

Just because some self interested spruiker for a project claims
something...

No govt was ever going to do what they wanted.

On Mon, 23 May 2022 19:17:37 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 23 May 2022 17:18:33 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 May 2022 10:48:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 23 May 2022 10:03:36 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 23 May 2022 09:27:09 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 22 May 2022 09:55:38 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:56:18 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you vote informally, ie. you don't fill in enough boxes, what are
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> chances you get in trouble for this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never complained to me
>>>>>> I just draw a cock and balls on ballots (they get the most votes if
>>>>>> they were counted)
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah well, I'm voting postal in future. I decided to vote at the
>>>>> local school just up from work, and as late as possible to avoid the
>>>>> riff-raff in the queue.
>>>>> When I arrived there was a queue so long it wrapped round the Earth. I
>>>>> was wedged behind a woman with halitosis,and this I had to endure for
>>>>> a good 30 minutes. It was getting cold and dark. Eventually after
>>>>> waiting in the vast school hall for 15min I discovered I was in the
>>>>> wrong queue and had to start again in the queue for those people
>>>>> living outside the "****" whatever that was. I was one of the last to
>>>>> leave after one whole hour!!! I was dark when I left and the school
>>>>> grounds were unlit necessitating a grope towards the gate, which was
>>>>> now locked, over which I had to scramble!
>>>>>
>>>>> When I woke the next morning I heard the wrong side had won.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stuff it! BAH...!
>>>>>
>>>> I'm in Sydney went to do a bit of shopping first, 1PM, passed a number
>>>> of poll places all full encircled by "Free Parking Brigade",one car,
>>>> one driver, one FREE parking space.
>>>>
>>>> Went in to vote must of been 300 cars parked outside, only around 20
>>>> people inside. Only took around 10 minutes in and out, nobody moved
>>>> from parking spots?
>>>>
>>>> Labor got less primary vote percentages than they have in history
>>>> 31.9%. The Coalition 35.3%
>>>> So 65% of voters did not want Labor or Coalition.
>>>
>>> You have that backwards, 67% did.
>>>
>> No 31.9% voted for Labor
>> 35.3% voted for coalition
>
>So 67% voted for the coalition or labor, stupid.
>
>> Labor/Coalition parties did not get over 36% of the vote
>
>But 67% voted for the coalition or labor, stupid.
>
>> Coalition was the first past the winning post!
>
>But preferences matter, stupid.
>
So those who just voted for the Coalition 1 not voted for the other
objections means their vote is was not counted.

>>>> The "Independents" were just funnels for Labor/Coalition/"Greens"
--
Petzl
If voting made any difference,
They wouldn't let us do it- Mark Twain

On 22-May-22 9:55 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:56:18 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>
>> If you vote informally, ie. you don't fill in enough boxes, what are the
>> chances you get in trouble for this?
>>
> Never complained to me
> I just draw a cock and balls on ballots (they get the most votes if
> they were counted)

That's not very constructive. If there's no one you want to vote for,
then write down why on the ballot paper. Political parties do read
those, because they want to know why they didn't get the vote.

Sylvia.

That pig Kenneally was done like a dinner, and Rudd the Dud's former
seat was lost to the Greens.

Kevni with his huge oversized ego would find that hard to cop!

There is some karma!

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
> Petzl wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote

>>> If you vote informally, ie. you don't fill in enough boxes, what are
>>> the chances you get in trouble for this?

>> Never complained to me

>> I just draw a cock and balls on ballots (they get the most votes if
>> they were counted)

> That's not very constructive. If there's no one you want to vote for,
> then write down why on the ballot paper. Political parties do read
> those, because they want to know why they didn't get the vote.

Trouble is that they all know why already, you don't like anyone on the
ballot paper.

On Tue, 24 May 2022 17:54:35 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 23 May 2022 19:17:37 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 May 2022 17:18:33 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 23 May 2022 10:48:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 23 May 2022 10:03:36 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 23 May 2022 09:27:09 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 22 May 2022 09:55:38 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:56:18 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you vote informally, ie. you don't fill in enough boxes, what
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> chances you get in trouble for this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never complained to me
>>>>>>> I just draw a cock and balls on ballots (they get the most votes if
>>>>>>> they were counted)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah well, I'm voting postal in future. I decided to vote at the
>>>>>> local school just up from work, and as late as possible to avoid the
>>>>>> riff-raff in the queue.
>>>>>> When I arrived there was a queue so long it wrapped round the
>>>>>> Earth. I
>>>>>> was wedged behind a woman with halitosis,and this I had to endure
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> a good 30 minutes. It was getting cold and dark. Eventually after
>>>>>> waiting in the vast school hall for 15min I discovered I was in the
>>>>>> wrong queue and had to start again in the queue for those people
>>>>>> living outside the "****" whatever that was. I was one of the last
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> leave after one whole hour!!! I was dark when I left and the school
>>>>>> grounds were unlit necessitating a grope towards the gate, which was
>>>>>> now locked, over which I had to scramble!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I woke the next morning I heard the wrong side had won.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stuff it! BAH...!
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'm in Sydney went to do a bit of shopping first, 1PM, passed a
>>>>> number
>>>>> of poll places all full encircled by "Free Parking Brigade",one car,
>>>>> one driver, one FREE parking space.
>>>>>
>>>>> Went in to vote must of been 300 cars parked outside, only around 20
>>>>> people inside. Only took around 10 minutes in and out, nobody moved
>>>>> from parking spots?
>>>>>
>>>>> Labor got less primary vote percentages than they have in history
>>>>> 31.9%. The Coalition 35.3%
>>>>> So 65% of voters did not want Labor or Coalition.
>>>>
>>>> You have that backwards, 67% did.
>>>>
>>> No 31.9% voted for Labor
>>> 35.3% voted for coalition
>>
>> So 67% voted for the coalition or labor, stupid.
>>
>>> Labor/Coalition parties did not get over 36% of the vote
>>
>> But 67% voted for the coalition or labor, stupid.
>>
>>> Coalition was the first past the winning post!
>>
>> But preferences matter, stupid.

> So those who just voted for the Coalition 1 not voted for the other
> objections means their vote is was not counted.

Yes, that is poor legislation.

>>>>> The "Independents" were just funnels for Labor/Coalition/"Greens"

Oliver Closeoff <commonsense@nospam.org> wrote

> That pig Kenneally was done like a dinner,

Fucked if I would eat any bit of that stupid cow.

> and Rudd the Dud's former seat was lost to the Greens.

Yeah, the QLD result was pretty stupid with the Greens.

> Kevni with his huge oversized ego would find that hard to cop!

> There is some karma!

Not gunna eat any of that wog food either.

On Tue, 24 May 2022 18:21:47 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

>On 22-May-22 9:55 am, Petzl wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:56:18 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>>
>>> If you vote informally, ie. you don't fill in enough boxes, what are the
>>> chances you get in trouble for this?
>>>
>> Never complained to me
>> I just draw a cock and balls on ballots (they get the most votes if
>> they were counted)
>
>That's not very constructive. If there's no one you want to vote for,
>then write down why on the ballot paper. Political parties do read
>those, because they want to know why they didn't get the vote.
>Sylvia.
>
More construtive than putting just one in the box of who you want to
vote for. When most don't want at all to vote or "part vote" for
anyone else.
Not seen the invalid vote count yet?
--
Petzl
With Labor you're going to end up with a depression the likes of which
you've never seen. You'll be lucky If you end up with a country at
all.

On 24-May-22 8:33 pm, Petzl wrote:
> Not seen the invalid vote count yet?

Not that that tells us that much, since it doesn't distinguish between
informal votes that are clearly deliberate, and those from voters who
are just too stupid to make a formal vote.

Sylvia.

On Tue, 24 May 2022 20:59:45 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

>On 24-May-22 8:33 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> Not seen the invalid vote count yet?
>
>Not that that tells us that much, since it doesn't distinguish between
>informal votes that are clearly deliberate, and those from voters who
>are just too stupid to make a formal vote.
>Sylvia.
>
A informal vote is often, mostly oblecting to "preferences"

If one just votes for one party/independent and don't want it spilled
in secret "preference" counting deals of parties/independents, that
one finds objectionable,

Just putting 1 in the box of the politician one want needs to be
counted or if not win just and only then dissolved.

Should be counted as one vote for that party/independent.
But Australia likes a rigged voting system.

Albo has not been voted as Prime Minister yet, needs to be done by a
full sitting of parliament not media conclusion. Constitution does not
recognize parties.

--
Petzl
If voting made any difference,
They wouldn't let us do it- Mark Twain

Rod Speed wrote on 16/5/22 5:05 am:
> On Mon, 16 May 2022 03:37:14 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
> wrote:

<Snip>

>> Good cite
>
>> Many of these gifts were funded through severe taxation of pagan
>> cults.[49] Some pagan cults were forced to disband for lack of
>> funds; when this happened the Church took over the cult's previous
>> role of caring for the poor.[51] In a reflection of their increased
>> standing in the Empire, clergy began to adopt the dress of the
>> royal household, including the cope
>
> That doesnt mean that the church was pagan, fuckwit.

Aren't "Church" and "Pagan" sort of mutually exclusive??
--
Daniel

Computer Nerd Kev wrote on 24/5/22 8:59 am:
> In aus.legal Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>> ~?rd?g~ wrote on 23/5/22 10:41 am:
>>>>
>>> Liar! Why don't you just admit which idiotic far-right candidate you
>>> wasted your vote on? ON? Clive Palmer mob? Some Xtian crusader?
>>
>> "Some Xtian crusader?" Hmm! Just occurred to me .... Whatever happened
>> to the D.L.P.??
>>
>> I don't recall seeing them on my ballot papers on Saturday!
>
> "In August 2021, the Federal Liberal government passed the so-called
> Electoral Legislation Amendment (Party Registration Integrity) Act
> 2021. This act tripled the minimum number of members required for
> political parties to register and gave exclusive rights to the
> words "liberal" and "labor" to the Liberal and Australian Labor
> parties respectively.
>
> As a result of this legislation, after being in existence for 65
> years, the DLP has been deregistered.

Ah!! O.K.

Memories of helping Dad paste up DLP Candidate Posters back in late 60's
- early 70's!!
--
Daniel

Petzl wrote on 9/5/22 11:10 am:
> On Mon, 09 May 2022 10:14:14 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 09:11:15 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 08 May 2022 09:00:48 -0700, Mattb
>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote: Snip Ordog commie bull - Communism
>>> was is and has been nothing but a killing machine.
>>>>
>>>> I have to agree with Ordog on this. Christians didn't get the
>>>> power to kill and murder until about 300AD. Then for centuries
>>>> went on a witch hunt to kill any who disagreed with the RCC,
>>>> even other Christians.
>>>
>>> Has never happen in Christian America from July 4th 1776,
>>
>> More utterly mindless bullshit and lies with nigger lynching...
>>
> That had nothing to do with Christianity, it was the migration of
> colored people moving to white areas and accused of crime.
>>
>>> nor in Christian Australia from 1788.
>>
>> More utterly mindless bullshit and lies with the abos and muslims
>> recently.
>>
> The Aboriginals were not in tribes but lived in groups up to 20

"groups up to 20" .... a.k.a. Tribes!!

--
Daniel

On Tue, 24 May 2022 23:10:44 +1000, Daniel65
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

>Petzl wrote on 9/5/22 11:10 am:
>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 10:14:14 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 09:11:15 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 08 May 2022 09:00:48 -0700, Mattb
>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote: Snip Ordog commie bull - Communism
>>>> was is and has been nothing but a killing machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to agree with Ordog on this. Christians didn't get the
>>>>> power to kill and murder until about 300AD. Then for centuries
>>>>> went on a witch hunt to kill any who disagreed with the RCC,
>>>>> even other Christians.
>>>>
>>>> Has never happen in Christian America from July 4th 1776,
>>>
>>> More utterly mindless bullshit and lies with nigger lynching...
>>>
>> That had nothing to do with Christianity, it was the migration of
>> colored people moving to white areas and accused of crime.
>>>
>>>> nor in Christian Australia from 1788.
>>>
>>> More utterly mindless bullshit and lies with the abos and muslims
>>> recently.
>>>
>> The Aboriginals were not in tribes but lived in groups up to 20
>
>"groups up to 20" .... a.k.a. Tribes!!
>
The aboriginals the colonists found were nomads in no organized
tribes.
They did not recognize anyone could own land
just as one cannot own air
To fix this colonists rounded up Aborigines and "created" tribes and
made a copper breast plate and made/labeled one of them as "king" of
that tribe by hanging it around his neck.
--
Petzl
What perfect set of circumstances placed our Sun a
Celestial ball of fire at just the correct distance
from our little blue planet for life to evolve?
All simply conicidence?
The very fact we exist is nothing but the result of a
complex yet inevitable string of chemical accidents
and biological mutations?
There is no Grand meaning? There is no purpose?

If gravity was slightly more powerful
the universe would collapse into a bowl!
If gravity was less powerful the universe would fly apart,
there would be no stars no planets!

Gravity is precisely as strong as it needs to be!
If the ratio of the electromagnetic force to the
strong force wasn't 1% life wouldn't exist!