br
> Daniel65
>> br
>
>
>>> And yes, the head of state should be selected by the parliament, not
>>> the public. Otherwise it will be a radical change to the form of
>>> government, which nobody even attempts to argue for.
>>
>> I think The People should have their pick .... otherwise you are,
>> effectively, just getting the Politicians elect a Politician to rule
>> over and above the Prime Minister.
>
> If the head of state is elected by the people, he will be an elected
> politician by definition, with the authority that comes with that.
>

Does not have to be. Depends on how this office of President is defined
in the by the referendum that is necessary to trash the monarchy and for
good.

>> I'm suggesting 'The Head-Huncho' should just be a figurehead, much
>> like The King/Queen is nowadays!!
>
> He will be a figurehead if selected by parliament.

Howard, the Lying Rodent, wanted that model. Guess why!
Because he wanted the opposite smoke and mirrors outcome.
After all he/was and still is a monarchist and was seeking a method to
virtually preserve some sort of power structure status-quo with as
little change as possible.

> If directly elected,
> then he will have all the power as stated in the Constitution.

Not if the referendum codifies the role of the President as purely
ceremonial.

> It will
> transform the system from a Westminster parliamentary democracy to a
> US-style Presidential system. No one wants that.

Non-sequitur. The Constitution can be subject to change by means of
referendums. If we don't want a US style President we don't have to have
one. But if we let the Parliament decide what we get is a useful puppet
of the ruling political party of the time.

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Petz, the certifiable village idiot of aus.pol has declared:

/snip/

> The cost of a rigged and stolen election,

YAWN!
Your umpteenth time debunked Trump cultist MAGA/GOP phantasm are just
that, pure alt-right phantasms.

> the Biden Democrats borrowed
> so much money to do this and is why USA inflation is going through the
> roof.

BULLSHIT. But hey, you, nor your anger management disaster newsgroup
boyfriend will never acknowledge that the massive economic hit Trump and
his idiotic party has inflicted on the US by gifting stupid huge tax
cuts to the ultra rich and their corporations nor the even more stupid
trade wars effectively fought against the whole planet. As such massive
economic fuck ups do take their time to show up with their disastrous
effects and combine that with the hit COVID had on the whole planet's
economy the current situation simple can't be blamed on the Biden regime.

I am just sayin'! Naturally I won't expect your constantly inebriated
misfiring brain to comprehend anything I wrote.

Note: Petz's TRUMP/MAGA idiocy sig was dumped w/o reading

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On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 06:22:10 +1000, hgt <tf44@nurk.com> wrote:

>>>> the 10 Commandments are very much part of Christianity
>>>
>>> But were there LONG before that fool who was stupid enough
>>> to get nailed up by the romans showed up.
>
>> Jesus knew of his outcome and accepted it.
>
>Pity about 'My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?'
>
>> Jesus was a Jew
>
>Yes.
>
>> and only preached the Torah.
>
>Wrong. Pity about 'he who is without sin, cast the first stone'
>
Calming a mob out to stone to death a woman.
The phrase “throwing stones” (or “casting stones”) comes from the
biblical event in which the Pharisees dragged an adulterous woman (but
not the man) before Jesus to be stoned. Jesus told the accusers that
whoever was without sin could be the first to throw a stone at her.
They all left.
--
Petzl
What perfect set of circumstances placed our Sun a
Celestial ball of fire at just the correct distance
from our little blue planet for life to evolve?
All simply conicidence?
The very fact we exist is nothing but the result of a
complex yet inevitable string of chemical accidents
and biological mutations?
There is no Grand meaning? There is no purpose?

If gravity was slightly more powerful
the universe would collapse into a bowl!
If gravity was less powerful the universe would fly apart,
there would be no stars no planets!

Gravity is precisely as strong as it needs to be!
If the ratio of the electromagnetic force to the
strong force wasn't 1% life wouldn't exist!

On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 22:19:33 +1000, Daniel65
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>Petzl wrote on 7/7/22 9:33 pm:
>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 05:07:12 GMT, Whatawonderfulworld
>> <foo@foobar.com> wrote:
>
><Snip>
>
>>> Hence its actually Jewish ?
>>>
>> YES, Jesus was a Jew who taught the Torah
>
>Which means Christianity is not much more than a Jewish Sect!! ;-P
>
The old testament was read as a punishment by God for sinners.
Jesus interpretation of the Torah was read as statements of peace.
Often used by Church Clergy to enforce a view.
--
Petzl
WARNING
Drunks Homosexuals Adulters Liars Fornicators Thieves Atheists
Idolaters
HELL AWAITS YOU
REPENT!
[Then the way out New Testament]
Only Jesus Saves

Jesus Christ as the only way to heaven (John 10:28)

On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 21:28:37 +1000, Daniel65
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>>>>>> I was just about to post that report, but you've now beaten me
>>>>>> to it. Here is the ABC-article on this subject:
>>>>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-28/census-2021-data-shows-a-changed-australia/101177152?utm_source=sfmc&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=abc_news_newsmail_am_sfmc&utm_term=&utm_id=1892131&sfmc_id=126532366>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>  >>> It looks like our Petz is going to be really-really unhappy
>>>>>> about that news, although he surely will argue that this is just
>>>>>> more fake news by the "communist" mainstream media. Sigh!
>>>>>  I don't believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, Pixies at the
>>>>> bottom of the garden or a Sky Fairy.   Why would any adult believe
>>>>> in any of those things?
>>>
>>> You heathen, Fran!! ;-P Fancy not believing in Santa and the Tooth
>>> Fairy!!
>>>
>>> Next thing you'll be claiming there's no such thing as The Easter
>>> Bunny, either!! ;-P
>>>
>>>> It is basically either a crutch for their pathetically inadequate
>>>> 'minds', or they don't like the idea that when they die, that's all
>>>> there is, or they prefer to believe that the rules dreamed up by
>>>> some silly senile old fart more than 2K years ago which might have
>>>> made some sense at that time
>>
>>> Picky Picky, I know, but not quite 2k years ago!
>>
>> In fact much more than 2K years ago wih the jews.
>>
>>> Supposedly, JC was born in the year Zero (even thought there probably
>>> was no Year Zero, as such.) but did not start preaching until he was
>>> thirty .... so that would make it the Year 30 AD (or whatever they
>>> call it now-adays!! CE, maybe!!
>>
>> Not with the jews, stupid.
>
>Yes, you are being stupid cause the discussion, here, is about the
>recent census results which showed "**Yep. The figures that came through
>today suggest that more than 50% of Aussies report that they are
>*non-Christians* and 39% report *no religion* ." ... as posted at the
>top of this reply!!
>
>So 'Christians' were/are followers of Christ .... who was supposedly
>born in the Year Zero, stupid!!
>
>NOT discussing Jews!!

And the ABC slant using a non-compulsory question in the census as
lety view of Christianity in Australia.
https://tinyurl.com/2qtzc46v
Census 2021 data shows Australians are less religious and more
culturally diverse than ever

Explains how to twist answers
https://youtu.be/ahgjEjJkZks
For and Against National Service | Yes, Prime Minister |
--
Petzl
If voting made any difference,
They wouldn't let us do it- Mark Twain

On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 10:10:50 +1000, Ördög
<newsgroup.devil@Hell.Incorporated.biz> wrote:

>> The cost of a rigged and stolen election,
>Your umpteenth time debunked Trump cultist MAGA/GOP phantasm are just
>that, pure alt-right phantasms.
>
>> the Biden Democrats borrowed
>> so much money to do this and is why USA inflation is going through the
>> roof.
>
<reams of your stinking shit flushed where it belongs>

Reported as fact by those more competent than you (which is everyone).
<https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-problem-resources-leaders>
https://tinyurl.com/25qj2lh4
" The things you need are too expensive to buy because
politicians created inflation, and they did it for a simple reason.
They'd racked up so much debt, buying votes and enriching themselves
and their families because they had no choice but to weaken the U.S.
dollar in order to make the payments on the loans they took out. It's
that simple."
--
Petzl
What is the harm of for the Democrats validating the voting system.
Is it because the Democrats have something to hide?

Amazing to think that Lyndon Johnson perfected the
'sit-wait-see how many we need to win-then dump our
stuffed ballots at the last moment' electoral technique
in post-war Texas, and nothing has changed in US elections
in the 7 decades since.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas#Legal_battle>
The Left is fine with Vaccine Cards
but NOT voter IDs. Paying attention yet?

On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 10:52:43 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 06:22:10 +1000, hgt <tf44@nurk.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> the 10 Commandments are very much part of Christianity
>>>>
>>>> But were there LONG before that fool who was stupid enough
>>>> to get nailed up by the romans showed up.
>>
>>> Jesus knew of his outcome and accepted it.
>>
>> Pity about 'My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?'

Your ignoring of that noted.

>>> Jesus was a Jew
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> and only preached the Torah.
>>
>> Wrong. Pity about 'he who is without sin, cast the first stone'
>>
> Calming a mob out to stone to death a woman.

Nothing like that in the Torah.

> The phrase “throwing stones” (or “casting stones”) comes from the
> biblical event in which the Pharisees dragged an adulterous woman(but
> not the man) before Jesus to be stoned.

That fool who got nailed up by the romans never got any say on who got
stoned.

> Jesus told the accusers that whoever was withoutsin could be the first
> to throw a stone at her.
> They all left.

Just another stupid fairy story that only fools are stupid enough
to believe like the one about that fool walking on water, turning
water into wine, the loaves and fishes etc etc etc.

On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 10:56:38 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 22:19:33 +1000, Daniel65
> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> Petzl wrote on 7/7/22 9:33 pm:
>>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 05:07:12 GMT, Whatawonderfulworld
>>> <foo@foobar.com> wrote:
>>
>> <Snip>
>>
>>>> Hence its actually Jewish ?
>>>>
>>> YES, Jesus was a Jew who taught the Torah
>>
>> Which means Christianity is not much more than a Jewish Sect!! ;-P
>>
> The old testament was read as a punishment by God for sinners.
> Jesus interpretation of the Torah was read as statements of peace.

Pity about the stoning to death bits.

> Often used by Church Clergy to enforce a view.

And burn you at the stake if you don't buy that bullshit.

On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 08:37:11 +1000, br <automatic440@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 7/7/22 21:18, Daniel65 wrote:
>> br wrote on 7/7/22 4:38 pm:
>
>
>>> And yes, the head of state should be selected by the parliament, not
>>> the public. Otherwise it will be a radical change to the form of
>>> government, which nobody even attempts to argue for.
>> I think The People should have their pick .... otherwise you are,
>> effectively, just getting the Politicians elect a Politician to rule
>> over and above the Prime Minister.
>
> If the head of state is elected by the people, he will be an elected
> politician by definition, with the authority that comes with that.

There isnt any authority if its a figurehead.

>> I'm suggesting 'The Head-Huncho' should just be a figurehead, much
>> like The King/Queen is nowadays!!

> He will be a figurehead if selected by parliament.

More bullshit. The GG isnt.

> If directly elected, then he will have all the power as stated in the
> Constitution.

Not if it is no longer the GG,

> It will transform the system from a Westminster parliamentary democracy
> to a US-style Presidential system.

Not if the figurehead doesnt have the power that the POTUS has.

> No one wants that.

More mindless bullshit.

On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 09:21:17 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 06:25:39 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 21:37:39 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 21:18:16 +1000, Daniel65
>>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> br wrote on 7/7/22 4:38 pm:
>>>>> On 6/6/22 20:53, Daniel65 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the option is
>>>>>> a. STAY A MONARCHY, or,
>>>>>> b. SWITCH TO A REPUBLIC WHERE THE *PARLIAMENT* SELECTS THE
>>>>>> PRESIDENT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I doubt that'll get up but ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the option is
>>>>>> a. STAY A MONARCHY, or,
>>>>>> b. SWITCH TO A REPUBLIC WHERE THE *PEOPLE* VOTE FOR THE PRESIDENT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that might get up! .... MIGHT!!
>>>>>
>>>>> We already have a President, the President of the Senate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not continue to call the Head of State the Governor-General?
>>>>>
>>>>> The term by itself does not necessarily signify a monarchical or
>>>>> republican form of government.
>>>>
>>>> Not a problem .... call them 'The Head-Huncho' for all it matters to
>>>> me!
>>>>
>>>>> And yes, the head of state should be selected by the parliament, not
>>>>> the
>>>>> public. Otherwise it will be a radical change to the form of
>>>>> government,
>>>>> which nobody even attempts to argue for.
>>>>
>>>> I think The People should have their pick .... otherwise you are,
>>>> effectively, just getting the Politicians elect a Politician to rule
>>>> over and above the Prime Minister.
>>>>
>>>> I'm suggesting 'The Head-Huncho' should just be a figurehead, much
>>>> like
>>>> The King/Queen is nowadays!!
>>>>
>>> Jor Biden has now taken this position in the USA.
>>
>> Nope, he did get Congress to go on a spending binge.
>
> The cost of a rigged and stolen election,

There was no rigged or stolen election.

> the Biden Democrats borrowed so much money to do this

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something...

> and is why USA inflation is going through the roof.

How odd that everyone else is too.

Petz, the certifiable village idiot of aus.pol has declared:

> The cost of a rigged and stolen election,
> the Biden Democrats borrowed
> so much money to do this and is why USA inflation is going through the
> roof.

**Ördög**

Your umpteenth time debunked Trump cultist MAGA/GOP phantasm are just
that, pure alt-right phantasms.
But hey, you, nor your anger management disaster newsgroup boyfriend
will never acknowledge that the massive economic hit Trump and his
idiotic party has inflicted on the US by gifting stupid huge tax cuts to
the ultra rich and their corporations nor the even more stupid trade
wars effectively fought against the whole planet. As such massive
economic fuck ups do take their time to show up with their disastrous
effects and combine that with the hit COVID had on the whole planet's
economy the current situation simple can't be blamed on the Biden regime.
I am just sayin'! Naturally I won't expect your constantly inebriated
misfiring brain to comprehend anything I wrote.

**Petz's response**

<reams of your stinking shit flushed where it belongs>

Yep, as expected your only response to my comments above is the
re-parroting that ineffectual and moronic abuse line stolen from your
anger management disaster newsgroup boyfriend's limited vocabulary.
How fitting is that for you both. LOL!

**Petz keeps on dumping GOP/MAGA crap**

> Reported as fact

LOL! Do you mean reports directly from the MAGA/GOP/Murdoch alternate
reality universe?

> foxnews
> opinion
> tucker-carlson

My, oh my! So now you resort to "Trucker" Carlson MAGA/GOP propaganda
opinions to support your idiot alt-right phantasms with which you keep
flooding this newsgroup.

Rest assured I won't risk my own sanity by dwelling into the "Trucker"
mental plague.

Snip, flush and sanitise! .............. Yuck! That was disgusting!

Note: Petz's TRUMP/MAGA idiocy sig was dumped w/o reading

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On 8/07/2022 6:22 am, hgt wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 21:29:13 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 13:46:28 +1000, hgt <tf44@nurk.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 12:39:50 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>

>>>
>>>> the 10 Commandments are very much part of Christianity
>>>
>>> But were there LONG before that fool who was stupid enough
>>> to get nailed up by the romans showed up.
>
>> Jesus knew of his outcome and accepted it.
>
> Pity about 'My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?'

that's the version in Matthew, Lukes version is somewhat different, and
Mark's doesn't mention Jesus' last words at all

>
>> Jesus was a Jew
>
> Yes.
>
>> and only preached the Torah.
>
> Wrong. Pity about 'he who is without sin, cast the first stone'

yes he preached many things

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

On 8/07/2022 11:49 am, hgt wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 10:52:43 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 06:22:10 +1000, hgt <tf44@nurk.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> the 10 Commandments are very much part of Christianity
>>>>>
>>>>> But were there LONG before that fool who was stupid enough
>>>>> to get nailed up by the romans showed up.
>>>
>>>> Jesus knew of his outcome and accepted it.
>>>
>>> Pity about 'My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?'
>
> Your ignoring of that noted.
>
>>>> Jesus was a Jew
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>> and only preached the Torah.
>>>
>>> Wrong. Pity about 'he who is without sin, cast the first stone'
>>>
>> Calming a mob out to stone to death a woman.
>
> Nothing like that in the Torah.
>
>> The phrase “throwing stones” (or “casting stones”) comes from the
>> biblical event in which the Pharisees dragged an adulterous woman(but
>> not the man) before Jesus to be stoned.
>
> That fool who got nailed up by the romans never got any say on who got
> stoned.
>
>> Jesus told the accusers that  whoever was withoutsin could be the
>> first to throw a stone at her.
>> They all left.
>
> Just another stupid fairy story that only fools are stupid enough
> to believe like the one about that fool walking on water, turning
> water into wine, the loaves and fishes etc etc etc.

when talking about what Jesus said or did it's important to remember
that there is nothing writen by Jesus in the bible, or in existence
anywhere that we know of. the gospels were written by educated Greeks
who recounted oral traditions, not by Jesus' disciples or anyone who
actually knew him. we don't even have any original manuscripts. all that
exists are copies, of copies, of copies, all of which contain thousands
of variations of the text, including events and stories that exist only
in some.

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 12:51:06 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@goaway.com> wrote:

> On 8/07/2022 6:22 am, hgt wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 21:29:13 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 13:46:28 +1000, hgt <tf44@nurk.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 12:39:50 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>
>>>>
>>>>> the 10 Commandments are very much part of Christianity
>>>>
>>>> But were there LONG before that fool who was stupid enough
>>>> to get nailed up by the romans showed up.
>>
>>> Jesus knew of his outcome and accepted it.
>>
>> Pity about 'My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?'
>
>
> that's the version in Matthew, Lukes version is somewhat different, and
> Mark's doesn't mention Jesus' last words at all

Still no evidence that that fool who go nailed up knew of his outcome and
accepted it.

>>> Jesus was a Jew

>> Yes.

>>> and only preached the Torah.

>> Wrong. Pity about 'he who is without sin, cast the first stone'

> yes he preached many things

None of which was the Torah.

On 7/07/2022 9:18 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
> br wrote on 7/7/22 4:38 pm:
>> On 6/6/22 20:53, Daniel65 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> If the option is
>>> a.    STAY A MONARCHY, or,
>>> b.    SWITCH TO A REPUBLIC WHERE THE *PARLIAMENT* SELECTS THE PRESIDENT
>>>
>>> I doubt that'll get up but ...
>>>
>>> If the option is
>>> a.    STAY A MONARCHY, or,
>>> b.    SWITCH TO A REPUBLIC WHERE THE *PEOPLE* VOTE FOR THE PRESIDENT
>>>
>>> that might get up! .... MIGHT!!
>>
>> We already have a President, the President of the Senate.
>>
>> Why not continue to call the Head of State the Governor-General?
>>
>> The term by itself does not necessarily signify a monarchical or
>> republican form of government.
>
> Not a problem .... call them 'The Head-Huncho' for all it matters to me!
>
>> And yes, the head of state should be selected by the parliament, not
>> the public. Otherwise it will be a radical change to the form of
>> government, which nobody even attempts to argue for.
>
> I think The People should have their pick .... otherwise you are,
> effectively, just getting the Politicians elect a Politician to rule
> over and above the Prime Minister.

Not my preferred option. Presidential systems of govt (ie where a
president is elected by the people) include the dodgyest of nations
>
> I'm suggesting 'The Head-Huncho' should just be a figurehead, much like
> The King/Queen is nowadays!!

Why not just make the Head of state an appointment (for a fixed term and
with a majority of votes in each parties in parliament [or somesuch) but
don't send the appointment recommendation off shore for a tick from
another nations head of state.

On 8/07/2022 9:49 am, Ördög wrote:
> br
>> Daniel65
>>> br
>>
>>
>>>> And yes, the head of state should be selected by the parliament, not
>>>> the public. Otherwise it will be a radical change to the form of
>>>> government, which nobody even attempts to argue for.
>>>
>>> I think The People should have their pick .... otherwise you are,
>>> effectively, just getting the Politicians elect a Politician to rule
>>> over and above the Prime Minister.
>>
>> If the head of state is elected by the people, he will be an elected
>> politician by definition, with the authority that comes with that.
>>
>
> Does not have to be. Depends on how this office of President is defined
> in the by the referendum that is necessary to trash the monarchy and for
> good.
>
>>> I'm suggesting 'The Head-Huncho' should just be a figurehead, much
>>> like The King/Queen is nowadays!!
>>
>> He will be a figurehead if selected by parliament.
>
> Howard, the Lying Rodent, wanted that model. Guess why!
> Because he wanted the opposite smoke and mirrors outcome.
> After all he/was and still is a monarchist and was seeking a method to
> virtually preserve some sort of power structure status-quo with as
> little change as possible.

It was a bit more complicated than just Howard's input.
>
>> If directly elected, then he will have all the power as stated in the
>> Constitution.
>
> Not if the referendum codifies the role of the President as purely
> ceremonial.
>
>> It will transform the system from a Westminster parliamentary
>> democracy to a US-style Presidential system. No one wants that.
>
> Non-sequitur. The Constitution can be subject to change by means of
> referendums. If we don't want a US style President we don't have to have
> one. But if we let the Parliament decide what we get is a useful puppet
> of the ruling political party of the time.
>

On 8/07/2022 11:56 am, zaq wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 08:37:11 +1000, br <automatic440@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/7/22 21:18, Daniel65 wrote:
>>> br wrote on 7/7/22 4:38 pm:
>>
>>
>>>> And yes, the head of state should be selected by the parliament, not
>>>> the public. Otherwise it will be a radical change to the form of
>>>> government, which nobody even attempts to argue for.
>>>  I think The People should have their pick .... otherwise you are,
>>> effectively, just getting the Politicians elect a Politician to rule
>>> over and above the Prime Minister.
>>
>> If the head of state is elected by the people, he will be an elected
>> politician by definition, with the authority that comes with that.
>
> There isnt any authority if its a figurehead.
>
>>>  I'm suggesting 'The Head-Huncho' should just be a figurehead, much
>>> like The King/Queen is nowadays!!
>
>> He will be a figurehead if selected by parliament.
>
> More bullshit. The GG isnt.

Actually he is if he's remaining non political and not doing a Kerr.

On 8/07/2022 8:52 am, Ördög wrote:

The Head of State should only have ceremonial functions
> and should be selected from strictly non-political nominees and then
> voted  into office by the people.

It's far too important a job to let 'the people' vote in a Head of
State. Too many of 'them people' are far too clueless about even really
basic facts about our political system (we see that here all the time)
Voting by 'the people' can too easily lead to results like Trump.

On 7/07/2022 9:45 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
> Fran wrote on 7/7/22 10:13 am:
>> On 6/07/2022 5:24 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
>>> Fran wrote on 6/07/2022 3:45 pm:
>>>> On 5/07/2022 9:01 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
>>>>> Fran wrote on 5/7/22 9:04 am:
>>>>>> On 4/07/2022 10:26 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
>>>>>>> Fran wrote on 4/7/22 11:17 am:
>>>>>>>> On 3/07/2022 9:14 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ördög wrote on 3/7/22 10:32 am:
>>>>>>>>>> Petz, the certifiable village idiot has spoken /snip/
>>>>>>>>>>> Ordog is just capable of lying bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yet, you have never been able to factually pin any
>>>>>>>>>> lies on me,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey!! Settle down, Ordog, Petzl isn't suggesting that
>>>>>>>>> you lied .... just that, like everyone, you are CAPABLE
>>>>>>>>> of lying!! ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Given pretzel's poor level of English expression (and
>>>>>>>> comprehension and everyhgint else requiring competence)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't you just hate it when you're correcting someone ....
>>>>>>> and then you type "everyhgint"?? ;-P
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope.  I doesn't bother me at all.  I'm a  self taught typist
>>>>>> and I often type things in a muddled fashion.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a self taught typist, too ..... then had to re-learn typing
>>>>> when I lost my right arm!! ;-P
>>>>
>>>> Yikes.  That would be tough (in more ways than just having to
>>>> relearn).
>>>
>>> Back about 2000, I did some Data Entry (ABN applications, etc) for
>>> the A.T.O. Sure, they had a pretty low speed requirement (20
>>> W.P.M., I think), but I was able to achieve it .... just!!
>>>
>>> "Phantom Pains" ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_pain ...
>>> can be interesting!! Imagine a bead of sweat rolling down your
>>> forearm when you KNOW that you don't have that forearm!!
>>
>> Yeah, I can imagine.  I'd heard abut them eg having an itchy foot but
>>  having had the leg amputated so no foot there to itch.  The body is
>> an amazing piece of equipment.  I've had multiple cancers so missing
>> a number of internal bits and its amazing how the body manages to
>> deal with the missing items.  A friend was telling me yesterday about
>> weird things her body did after she'd have brain surgery as her body
>> tried to establish new neural pathways to deal with the damage done
>> in her brain.
>
> ... and, just to throw another spanner into my works, I've had a minor
> Stroke as well. What a fun way to find out I'm a Diabetic!! ... NOT!!

Commiserations :-(((. Getting older is not the least bit fun.

On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 14:22:10 +1000, Fran
<gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabefran.com> wrote:

> On 8/07/2022 11:56 am, zaq wrote:
>> On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 08:37:11 +1000, br <automatic440@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/7/22 21:18, Daniel65 wrote:
>>>> br wrote on 7/7/22 4:38 pm:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> And yes, the head of state should be selected by the parliament, not
>>>>> the public. Otherwise it will be a radical change to the form of
>>>>> government, which nobody even attempts to argue for.
>>>> I think The People should have their pick .... otherwise you are,
>>>> effectively, just getting the Politicians elect a Politician to rule
>>>> over and above the Prime Minister.
>>>
>>> If the head of state is elected by the people, he will be an elected
>>> politician by definition, with the authority that comes with that.
>> There isnt any authority if its a figurehead.
>>
>>>> I'm suggesting 'The Head-Huncho' should just be a figurehead, much
>>>> like The King/Queen is nowadays!!
>>
>>> He will be a figurehead if selected by parliament.
>> More bullshit. The GG isnt.
>
> Actually he is if he's remaining non political and not doing a Kerr.

More mindless bullshit when he decides who gets
to be the govt when the election result is very close.

On Thursday, 30 June 2022 at 08:38:18 UTC+10, Ördög wrote:
> *Aide says Trump wanted to join Capitol riot, tried to grab limo
> steering wheel | The World*
> /ABC News (Australia)/
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W67QFTMsPE>
>
> "A former top aide in the White House has detailed Donald Trump's
> relentless efforts to join protesters at the capitol on the day of the
> riots. In a surprise hearing, Cassidy Hutchinson provided 'damning'
> testimony to the US capitol riot committee, outlining that Mr Trump knew
> some in the crowd were armed. The Hill's Julia Manchester tells The
> World it's been "a shock" to many in Washington hearing how things
> played out behind the scenes."

So see what the US has now:
- a senile Potus with a hyaena in tow
- shootings and violence galore
- open borders meaning more violence to come
- huge inflation
- megatons of dollars to a sinkhole called Ukraine
- no vision let alone plan for the future
- war with China, chest-thumping at any rate
- very bad terms with Russia
- no rectification of blasted infrastructure
- return with tucked tail from Afghanistan
- charges of corruption against entire bureaucracy and judiciary by Trump et al
- a highly polarized nation, on colour and creed
and now:
- back to the dark ages so far as women are concerned relating to use of their own bodies

But then, this one has no reputation of grabbing pussies!
He may be in China's pocket, but not in Russia's. Great, what.

I note that Trump's China tariffs have been lifted, and
that was the main thing wasn't it, for all the trouble including pandemic creation.
Cheap stuff for the lazy parasites.

>
> ~~~~
>
> And yet MAGA Trumpism is still much alive and well in all levels of US
> governments, law enforcement and the judiciary ... with or without Trump
> at the the helm.
> On the second thought...was he truly ever at the helm or rather were
> very powerful people in the shadows around him steering this bumbling
> intellectually deficient idiot all along to serve their own plutocratic
> corporate capitalist political ends.

OrPooch, that is what US is all about.
It never was socialist, perish the thought.

> More than ever it has become a certainty that Trump was (and still is) a
> political/cultural symptom of a sick, decaying, out of wack and totally
> far-right shifted society that is incapable of shaking off the social
> rot that GOP/Trumpism/MAGA represents.
>
>
> --
> The ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil at your service.

On 10/07/2022 4:05 pm, zaq wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 14:22:10 +1000, Fran
> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabefran.com> wrote:

>>>
>>>> He will be a figurehead if selected by parliament.
>>>  More bullshit. The GG isnt.
>>
>> Actually he is if he's remaining non political and not doing a Kerr.
>
> More mindless bullshit when he decides who gets
> to be the govt when the election result is very close.

Hey Ordog! I mentioned elsewhere that 'the people' were clueless and
shouldn't get to vote for a head of State, this poster (who is probably
poor old Roddles or our village idot) just proved my point

On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 17:33:16 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 30 June 2022 at 08:38:18 UTC+10, Ördög wrote:
>> *Aide says Trump wanted to join Capitol riot, tried to grab limo
>> steering wheel | The World*
>> /ABC News (Australia)/
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W67QFTMsPE>
>>
>> "A former top aide in the White House has detailed Donald Trump's
>> relentless efforts to join protesters at the capitol on the day of the
>> riots. In a surprise hearing, Cassidy Hutchinson provided 'damning'
>> testimony to the US capitol riot committee, outlining that Mr Trump knew
>> some in the crowd were armed. The Hill's Julia Manchester tells The
>> World it's been "a shock" to many in Washington hearing how things
>> played out behind the scenes."
>
> So see what the US has now:
> - a senile Potus

Nothing new about that, most obviously with Raygun.

> with a hyaena in tow
> - shootings and violence galore

Nothing new about that in the US. They have managed to reduce the
lynchings.

> - open borders meaning more violence to come

Most of the violence is done by the locals.

> - huge inflation

Bullshit.

> - megatons of dollars to a sinkhole called Ukraine

Yeah, they should have just yawned and let Putin grab whatever he wanted..

> - no vision let alone plan for the future

Yours is just another steaming turd.

> - war with China,

No chance, even Xi aint actually that stupid.

> chest-thumping at any rate

Just like what you curry muchers get up to.

> - very bad terms with Russia

Yeah, only a fuckwit curry muncher would let Putin grab whatever he wants
to.

> - no rectification of blasted infrastructure

Bullshit.

> - return with tucked tail from Afghanistan

Just like the poms did in spades for centurys and russia did as well.

> - charges of corruption against entire bureaucracy and judiciary by
> Trump et al

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken curry muncher
fantasys.

> - a highly polarized nation, on colour and creed

Always has been. They had a civil war, fuckwit.

> and now:
> - back to the dark ages so far as women are concerned relating to use
> of their own bodies

Concerned relating to killing what is inconvenient, actually.

> But then, this one has no reputation of grabbing pussies!
> He may be in China's pocket,

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken curry muncher
fantasys.

> but not in Russia's. Great, what.

> I note that Trump's China tariffs have been lifted, and
> that was the main thing wasn't it, for all the troubleincluding
> pandemic creation.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken curry muncher
fantasys.

> Cheap stuff for the lazy parasites.

Like you who hasnt worked since being kicked out of Telstra.

>> And yet MAGA Trumpism is still much alive and well in all levels of US
>> governments, law enforcement and the judiciary ... with or without Trump
>> at the the helm.
>> On the second thought...was he truly ever at the helm or rather were
>> very powerful people in the shadows around him steering this bumbling
>> intellectually deficient idiot all along to serve their own plutocratic
>> corporate capitalist political ends.

> OrPooch, that is what US is all about.
> It never was socialist,

That is mindless pig ignorant bullshit with the USPS, US Corps of
Engineers,
govt schools, cops, the military, airports, ports, most roads etc etc etc.

> perish the thought.

Perish all curry munchers, actually.

>> More than ever it has become a certainty that Trump was (and still is) a
>> political/cultural symptom of a sick, decaying, out of wack and totally
>> far-right shifted society that is incapable of shaking off the social
>> rot that GOP/Trumpism/MAGA represents.

On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 17:54:16 +1000, Fran
<gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabefran.com> wrote:

> On 10/07/2022 4:05 pm, zaq wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 14:22:10 +1000, Fran
>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabefran.com> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>> He will be a figurehead if selected by parliament.
>>>> More bullshit. The GG isnt.
>>>
>>> Actually he is if he's remaining non political and not doing a Kerr.
>> More mindless bullshit when he decides who gets
>> to be the govt when the election result is very close.
>
> Hey Ordog! I mentioned elsewhere that 'the people' were clueless and
> shouldn't get to vote for a head of State, this poster (who is probably
> poor old Roddles or our village idot) just proved my point

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag, you stupid cow.

Fran wrote on 10/7/22 2:16 pm:
> On 7/07/2022 9:18 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
>> br wrote on 7/7/22 4:38 pm:
>>> On 6/6/22 20:53, Daniel65 wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> If the option is a. STAY A MONARCHY, or, b. SWITCH TO A
>>>> REPUBLIC WHERE THE *PARLIAMENT* SELECTS THE PRESIDENT
>>>>
>>>> I doubt that'll get up but ...
>>>>
>>>> If the option is a. STAY A MONARCHY, or, b. SWITCH TO A
>>>> REPUBLIC WHERE THE *PEOPLE* VOTE FOR THE PRESIDENT
>>>>
>>>> that might get up! .... MIGHT!!
>>>
>>> We already have a President, the President of the Senate.
>>>
>>> Why not continue to call the Head of State the Governor-General?
>>>
>>> The term by itself does not necessarily signify a monarchical or
>>> republican form of government.
>>
>> Not a problem .... call them 'The Head-Huncho' for all it matters
>> to me!
>>
>>> And yes, the head of state should be selected by the parliament,
>>> not the public. Otherwise it will be a radical change to the form
>>> of government, which nobody even attempts to argue for.
>>
>> I think The People should have their pick .... otherwise you are,
>> effectively, just getting the Politicians elect a Politician to
>> rule over and above the Prime Minister.
>
> Not my preferred option. Presidential systems of govt (ie where a
> president is elected by the people) include the dodgyest of nations
>>
>> I'm suggesting 'The Head-Huncho' should just be a figurehead, much
>> like The King/Queen is nowadays!!
>
> Why not just make the Head of state an appointment (for a fixed term
> and with a majority of votes in each parties in parliament [or
> somesuch)

If a Politician 'elects' someone, they will elect a Politician!!

(Hmm!! Just occurred to me .... the word 'elect' is contained with-in
the word 'select'!!)

> but don't send the appointment recommendation off shore for a tick
> from another nations head of state.

I thought that was to be "Taken as Read"! Boss *Australian* to be
appointed by Australians with no input form O.S. at all!

And they *MUST* be *Australian* .... whither by Birth or by Choice ...
I'm a favouring 'by Birth' a bit!! (Remember how Rupert Murdoch took out
U.S. of A. citizenship just so that he could buy some U.S. of A. news
organisation!! To own a U.S. of A. business, apparently, you need to be
a U.S. of A. Citizen!!)
--
Daniel