On Thu, 02 Jun 2022 10:29:11 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> > Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> >> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> >>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> >>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> >>>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> >>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> >>>>>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-01/the-loop-treasurer-jim-chalmers-budget-dire-ministry-swearing-in/101117358
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> hopefully that will see the end of the stupid VFT to Newcastle
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Why I don't like the duopoly rigging elections with preference
>>> >>>>>>> votes.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>> There is no rigging, we chose to have that system for a reason.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> you are not that dumb
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> But you clearly are. Stupid enough to believe anything that fool
>>> Trump
>>> >>>> spews.
>>> >>
>>> >>> At least Trump was voted in
>>> >>> Biden crime gang fudged the vote. No one in US believes that the
>>> >>> Democrats won
>>> >>
>>> >> Even the judges Trump appointed do.
>>>
>>> > At least Trump was voted in
>
>>> So was Biden.
>
>> Not unlikely, he was cheated in.
>
>How odd that not even the judges that Trump appointed have ruled that.
>
Rubbish, all democrat appointed judges oversaw ruling,

>> They did not see any id here in Australia when I went to vote.
>> Just ticked my name off the register. I offered to show id, but they
>> refused to see it.
>> Anyone anywhere could have done that voting, using my name and address
>> and claiming I had not voted before.
>
>But those would be caught when checked for having voted more
>than once and we know that there aren't enough of those to matter.
>
Not according to mobile phone data that traced cars going from the new
drop boxes to another. CCTV shows same individuals stuffing these
boxes with ballots, all starting and going back to Democrat
headquarters for more votes

>> In short, multiple voting is possible in Australia.
>
>> No checks;
>
>Thats a lie, they do later check that no one has voted more than once.
>
most of Biden's votes were not signed or even on ballot paper

>> honourable conduct is assumed.
>
>Nope.
>
Wrong it was point blank thieving a election.

>> But as I said then, this sort of voting is a joke.
>> Politics is intrinsically opportunistic hence implicitly dishonourable,
>> so one must not base its success upon a honour system.
>
>But we know that multiple voting is rare.
>
Not in the US

>> Very probably such sort of voting was done in US. No checks on id of
>> voter, thus.
>
>In fact some states do require an ID check.
>
Not in 2020 presidential ruse was to use "drop boxes" to avoid Covid
contact.

>> No point in recounting, to expose multiple voting corruption, for once a
>> ballot is in, no one can say it is a fake ballot put in by interested
>> parties.
>
>But we do know that not enough of it happens to affect the result.
>
WE don't know that, we KNOW it was the opposite in fact

>> What with covid and all, and the honour system, corruption is easy.
>
>But we know that not enough of it happens to matter.
>
>> Honour systems work in Australia, but the US is not now a honourable
>> society, as evidenced by
>> the highest regard that is paid to their celebrated pimps and
>> prostitutes, all chanting e=mcc.
>
>Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
>
He is correct voter fraud has been going on since George Washington
LBJ would always come across uncounted ballot boxes with all votes for
him, even before he had Kennedy assassinated!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_13
--
Petzl
LOVE HIM OR HATE HIM
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explicitly & beyond any shadow of a doubt
that U.S. government & their media propagandists are
corrupt to the core.
Our Legal System is CORRUPT, our Judges (and Justices!) are highly
partisan, compromised or just plain scared, our Borders are OPEN, our
Elections are Rigged, Inflation is RAMPANT, gas prices and food costs
are “through the roof,” our Military “Leadership” is Woke, our Country is going to HELL, and Michael Sussmann is not guilty. How’s
everything else doing? Enjoy your day!!!
Donald J Trump

On Thursday, 2 June 2022 at 10:29:17 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> > Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>>>>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-01/the-loop-treasurer-jim-chalmers-budget-dire-ministry-swearing-in/101117358
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> hopefully that will see the end of the stupid VFT to Newcastle
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Why I don't like the duopoly rigging elections with preference
> >> >>>>>>> votes.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>> There is no rigging, we chose to have that system for a reason.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> you are not that dumb
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> But you clearly are. Stupid enough to believe anything that fool
> >> Trump
> >> >>>> spews.
> >> >>
> >> >>> At least Trump was voted in
> >> >>> Biden crime gang fudged the vote. No one in US believes that the
> >> >>> Democrats won
> >> >>
> >> >> Even the judges Trump appointed do.
> >>
> >> > At least Trump was voted in
>
> >> So was Biden.
>
> > Not unlikely, he was cheated in.
> How odd that not even the judges that Trump appointed have ruled that.

Stupid Rod3po, the judges cannot do anything with multiple voting done by cheats.
There is no way to distinguish between a real vote and a fake vote, once it is cast
and in the box.

Only way proper voting that is to check securely the voter id, BEFORE THE VOTING.

What is being done to let people enter restaurants thanks to Covid (see id) or
buy anything of value, is not being done for democracy!
Which makes it a joke.
Zelenskys rule!
Disasters must follow, sad.

Now get reprogrammed with superior Arindamic software, stupid Rod3po, always wrong save
just once.

On Thursday, 2 June 2022 at 10:29:17 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> > Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>>>>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-01/the-loop-treasurer-jim-chalmers-budget-dire-ministry-swearing-in/101117358
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> hopefully that will see the end of the stupid VFT to Newcastle
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Why I don't like the duopoly rigging elections with preference
> >> >>>>>>> votes.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>> There is no rigging, we chose to have that system for a reason.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> you are not that dumb
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> But you clearly are. Stupid enough to believe anything that fool
> >> Trump
> >> >>>> spews.
> >> >>
> >> >>> At least Trump was voted in
> >> >>> Biden crime gang fudged the vote. No one in US believes that the
> >> >>> Democrats won
> >> >>
> >> >> Even the judges Trump appointed do.
> >>
> >> > At least Trump was voted in
>
> >> So was Biden.
>
> > Not unlikely, he was cheated in.
> How odd that not even the judges that Trump appointed have ruled that.
Judges can be corrupted or intimidated.
> > They did not see any id here in Australia when I went to vote.
> > Just ticked my name off the register. I offered to show id, but they
> > refused to see it.
> > Anyone anywhere could have done that voting, using my name and address
> > and claiming I had not voted before.
> But those would be caught when checked for having voted more
> than once and we know that there aren't enough of those to matter.

NO, all they would know is that someone voted more than once with the same name and address.
They cannot charge that person, as that person would have voted once as per law.
Crooks could use his name and address to vote in some other booth.
There is no check for that.

> > In short, multiple voting is possible in Australia.
>
> > No checks;
> Thats a lie, they do later check that no one has voted more than once.

I meant, stupid Rod3po, that there are no checks on multiple voting using a person's name and address.
As there is no id check before granting the ballot paper.
Impostors cannot be stopped without checking id of voter.

If they do find out multiple cases of voting for an individual, then what is the procedure?
For one thing, the system is there to see if someone has voted or not.
If not voted, fine the chap, make money.

If voted more than once, and that is found, what?
is there at all a scheme to check out multiple voting?
Who knows about it?

Do they scrap the election if there is multiple voting?
Evidently, not, in Australia, for no such charge is there for multiple voting as the present system still works.

But in the US, another story.
Trump claims the last election was rigged with false voting.
If Australia does not want to become US that way, they better do id check before giving the ballot.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote

>>> >>>>>> There is no rigging, we chose to have that system for a reason.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> you are not that dumb
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> But you clearly are. Stupid enough to believe anything that fool
>>> Trump
>>> >>>> spews.
>>> >>
>>> >>> At least Trump was voted in
>>> >>> Biden crime gang fudged the vote. No one in US believes that the
>>> >>> Democrats won
>>> >>
>>> >> Even the judges Trump appointed do.
>>>
>>> > At least Trump was voted in
>>> So was Biden.
>>
>> Not unlikely, he was cheated in. They did not see any id here in
>> Australia
>> when I went to vote.
>> Just ticked my name off the register. I offered to show id, but they
>> refused to see it.
>> Anyone anywhere could have done that voting, using my name and address
>> and claiming I had not voted before.
>> In short, multiple voting is possible in Australia. No checks;
>> honourable conduct is assumed.
>> But as I said then, this sort of voting is a joke.
>> Politics is intrinsically opportunistic hence implicitly dishonourable,
>> so one must not base its success upon a honour system.
>> Very probably such sort of voting was done in US. No checks on id of
>> voter, thus.
>> No point in recounting, to expose multiple voting corruption, for once
>> a ballot is in, no one can say it is a fake ballot put in by interested
>> parties.
>> What with covid and all, and the honour system, corruption is easy.
>> Honour systems work in Australia, but the US is not now a honourable
>> society, as evidenced by
>> the highest regard that is paid to their celebrated pimps and
>> prostitutes, all chanting e=mcc.Not unlikely, he was cheated in.
>> They did not see any id here in Australia when I went to vote.
>> Just ticked my name off the register. I offered to show id,
>> but they refused to see it.

> The US media is going into overdrive that vote corruption wins.

Just because some fool journo claims something...

How odd that no one has actually been able to convince
even one of the judges that Trump appointed that there
has in fact been any vote corruption that would change
the result of that election...

> Australia seems to have fixed preferences ending up going to
> Labor/greens and or Coalition

More of your mindless bullshit.

> Tactics are to sponsor popular identities in close seats for
> preferences. They are in case of coalition termed "teals"
> (Teal independents, an Australian group of centrist green candidates)

In fact fuck all of the teals have preferenced Labor.

> If you wish to vote a duopoly last you can't unless theoddity that you
> vote for gets 50% of the vote first count,

Corse you can if you vote below the line.

> if not his votes go to your next "preference"assuming and usually they
> won't get 50% either.

That's the way it is sposed to work, stupid.

> Eventually your last preference then goes to their preferences,

Which won't normally be for either of the two majors.

> the way it works they end up as Labor/greens andCoalition votes even if
> you would not vote for them.

Wrong, as always.

> Very sus that the number of cars parked election day around polling
> booths in Macarthur Electorate all day, they outnumbered the people
> inside the polling place?

Because there is always a lot more going
on than just the voting at the booth, stupid.

> Usually a sign of stuffed ballot boxes beingswapped with those from
> polling station.

Only for brainless conspiracy theorists.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> > Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> >> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> >>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> >>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> >>>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> >>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> >>>>>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-01/the-loop-treasurer-jim-chalmers-budget-dire-ministry-swearing-in/101117358
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> hopefully that will see the end of the stupid VFT to
>>>> Newcastle
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Why I don't like the duopoly rigging elections with preference
>>>> >>>>>>> votes.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>> There is no rigging, we chose to have that system for a reason.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> you are not that dumb
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> But you clearly are. Stupid enough to believe anything that fool
>>>> Trump
>>>> >>>> spews.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> At least Trump was voted in
>>>> >>> Biden crime gang fudged the vote. No one in US believes that the
>>>> >>> Democrats won
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Even the judges Trump appointed do.
>>>>
>>>> > At least Trump was voted in
>>
>>>> So was Biden.
>>
>>> Not unlikely, he was cheated in.
>>
>> How odd that not even the judges that Trump appointed have ruled that.

> Rubbish, all democrat appointed judges oversaw ruling,

That is a bare faced lie.

>>> They did not see any id here in Australia when I went to vote.
>>> Just ticked my name off the register. I offered to show id, but they
>>> refused to see it.
>>> Anyone anywhere could have done that voting, using my name and address
>>> and claiming I had not voted before.
>>
>> But those would be caught when checked for having voted more
>> than once and we know that there aren't enough of those to matter.

> Not according to mobile phone data that traced cars going from the new
> drop boxes to another. CCTV shows same individuals stuffing these
> boxes with ballots, all starting and going back to Democrat
> headquarters for more votes

That bit is discussing AUSTRALIA, stupid.

>>> In short, multiple voting is possible in Australia.
>>
>>> No checks;
>>
>> Thats a lie, they do later check that no one has voted more than once.

> most of Biden's votes were not signed or even on ballot paper

That bit is discussing AUSTRALIA, stupid.

>>> honourable conduct is assumed.
>>
>> Nope.

That bit is discussing AUSTRALIA, stupid.

>>> But as I said then, this sort of voting is a joke.
>>> Politics is intrinsically opportunistic hence implicitly dishonourable,
>>> so one must not base its success upon a honour system.
>>
>> But we know that multiple voting is rare.

That bit is discussing AUSTRALIA, stupid.

>>> Very probably such sort of voting was done in US. No checks on id of
>>> voter, thus.
>>
>> In fact some states do require an ID check.

That bit is discussing AUSTRALIA, stupid.

>>> No point in recounting, to expose multiple voting corruption, for once
>>> a
>>> ballot is in, no one can say it is a fake ballot put in by interested
>>> parties.
>>
>> But we do know that not enough of it happens to affect the result.

That bit is discussing AUSTRALIA, stupid.

>>> What with covid and all, and the honour system, corruption is easy.
>>
>> But we know that not enough of it happens to matter.
>>
>>> Honour systems work in Australia, but the US is not now a honourable
>>> society, as evidenced by
>>> the highest regard that is paid to their celebrated pimps and
>>> prostitutes, all chanting e=mcc.
>>
>> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

> He is correct voter fraud has been going on since George Washington

Irrelevant to his mindless shit about e=mcc.

> LBJ would always come across uncounted ballot boxes with all votes for
> him, even before he had Kennedy assassinated!
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_13

Irrelevant to his mindless shit about e=mcc.

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> > Rod Speed wrote
>> >> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> > Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>>>>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>
>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-01/the-loop-treasurer-jim-chalmers-budget-dire-ministry-swearing-in/101117358
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> hopefully that will see the end of the stupid VFT to
>> Newcastle
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Why I don't like the duopoly rigging elections with
>> preference
>> >> >>>>>>> votes.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>> There is no rigging, we chose to have that system for a
>> reason.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> you are not that dumb
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> But you clearly are. Stupid enough to believe anything that fool
>> >> Trump
>> >> >>>> spews.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> At least Trump was voted in
>> >> >>> Biden crime gang fudged the vote. No one in US believes that the
>> >> >>> Democrats won
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Even the judges Trump appointed do.
>> >>
>> >> > At least Trump was voted in
>>
>> >> So was Biden.
>>
>> > Not unlikely, he was cheated in.

>> How odd that not even the judges that Trump appointed have ruled that.

> the judges cannot do anything with multiple voting done by cheats.
> There is no way to distinguish between a real vote and a fake vote, once
> it is cast and in the box.

It is easy to detect multiple votes by the same individual, fuckwit.

> Only way proper voting that is to check securely the voter id, BEFORE
> THE VOTING.

And some US states do that.

> What is being done to let people enter restaurants thanks to Covid (see
> id) or buy anything of value, is not being done for democracy!

Wrong with some US states, particularly with postal
voting and in some states with voting on the day too.

> Which makes it a joke.
> Zelenskys rule!
> Disasters must follow, sad.

Not going to happen.

<reams of stinking curry mucher shit flushed where it belongs>

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> > Rod Speed wrote
>> >> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> > Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>>>>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>
>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-01/the-loop-treasurer-jim-chalmers-budget-dire-ministry-swearing-in/101117358
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> hopefully that will see the end of the stupid VFT to
>> Newcastle
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Why I don't like the duopoly rigging elections with
>> preference
>> >> >>>>>>> votes.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>> There is no rigging, we chose to have that system for a
>> reason.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> you are not that dumb
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> But you clearly are. Stupid enough to believe anything that fool
>> >> Trump
>> >> >>>> spews.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> At least Trump was voted in
>> >> >>> Biden crime gang fudged the vote. No one in US believes that the
>> >> >>> Democrats won
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Even the judges Trump appointed do.
>> >>
>> >> > At least Trump was voted in
>>
>> >> So was Biden.
>>
>> > Not unlikely, he was cheated in.

>> How odd that not even the judges that Trump appointed have ruled that.

> Judges can be corrupted or intimidated.

Unlikely with the ones Trump appointed that have a significant
incentive to rule that Trump had actually won that election.

>> > They did not see any id here in Australia when I went to vote.
>> > Just ticked my name off the register. I offered to show id, but they
>> > refused to see it.
>> > Anyone anywhere could have done that voting, using my name and address
>> > and claiming I had not voted before.
>> But those would be caught when checked for having voted more
>> than once and we know that there aren't enough of those to matter.

> NO,

Fraid so.

all they would know is that someone voted more than once with the
> same name and address.

And that is all you need to know to know that significant voter fraud has
occurred.

> They cannot charge that person, as that person would have voted once as
> per law.
> Crooks could use his name and address to vote in some other booth.
> There is no check for that.

There is in fact a check for that, that the same
name and address voted more than once.

>> > In short, multiple voting is possible in Australia.
>>
>> > No checks;

>> Thats a lie, they do later check that no one has voted more than once.

> I meant, that there are no checks on multiple voting using a person's
> name and address.

You are just plain wrong about that.

> As there is no id check before granting the ballot paper.
> Impostors cannot be stopped without checking id of voter.

But we do know that voter fraud has occurred when the AEC checks
whether the same name and address has voted more than once.

> If they do find out multiple cases of voting for an individual, then
> what is the procedure?

Count them.

> For one thing, the system is there to see if someone has voted or not.
> If not voted, fine the chap, make money.

> If voted more than once, and that is found, what?
> is there at all a scheme to check out multiple voting?

Yes.

> Who knows about it?

The AEC.

> Do they scrap the election if there is multiple voting?

No.

> Evidently, not, in Australia, for no such charge is there for multiple
> voting as the present system still works.

> But in the US, another story.
> Trump claims the last election was rigged with false voting.

Just because that lying arsehole claims something...

How odd that not even the judges that Trump appointed have ruled that.

> If Australia does not want to become US that way, they better do id
> check before giving the ballot.

That has been proposed, but hasn't been implemented yet.

Mainly because some don't have

On Thu, 02 Jun 2022 13:53:26 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>> If you wish to vote a duopoly last you can't unless theoddity that you
>> vote for gets 50% of the vote first count,
>
>Corse you can if you vote below the line.
>
you don't no the way preferences work!
Your vote goes downhill ,assuming none achieve a vote of over 50%,
your last box preferences take over and takes over going downhill.
Again assuming no selected preference is achieve a vote of over 50% in
last box, preferences take over with ALL votes gathered going down the
preference drain again till they end up in the duopolies rectum!
--
Petzl
If voting made any difference,
They wouldn't let us do it- Mark Twain

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> If you wish to vote a duopoly last you can't unless the
>>> oddity that you vote for gets 50% of the vote first count,

>> Corse you can if you vote below the line.

> you don't no the way preferences work!

You are the one with that problem, as always.

> Your vote goes downhill ,assuming none achieve a vote of over 50%,

And when you vote below the line, you can ensure
that neither of the two majors ever gets your vote.

> your last box preferences take over and takes over going downhill.

And when you vote below the line, you can ensure
that neither of the two majors ever gets your vote.

> Again assuming no selected preference is achieve a vote of over 50% in
> last box, preferences take over with ALL votes gathered going down the
> preference drain again till they end up in the duopolies rectum!

That last never happens if you don't include those in your voting below
the line.

On Thu, 02 Jun 2022 08:51:31 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Jun 2022 15:20:47 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 01 Jun 2022 06:17:55 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 31 May 2022 10:45:13 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>Islam is a fake cult, Mohammad had the Koran written by Jewish Slaves
>>>>>>>Nowhere in the old testament, new testament or Torah is the moon god
>>>>>>>Allah mentioned. You would think it should be there?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You expect logic from books written for the stupid?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mind you Mohammad was a white man, the Quran condemns colored people
>>>>>>>to hell. their heaven is only for white people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never seen that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>But most get sucked in by fakenews media
>>>>
>>>> Where do you get your news. Please give a cite.
>>>>
>>>>><http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/islam.htm#Arab%20Racism>
>>>>
>>>All have slants for US I use (don't mindlessly believe slant)
>>>https://www.newsmax.com
>>>https://www.oann.com
>>>https://www.foxnews.com
>>>https://nypost.com
>>>https://gab.com/realdonaldtrump
>>>in Australia I use a paid Murdoch media all the others are woke crap.
>>>Sydney Centric but still pushes it's agenda's
>>>https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au
>>>
>>>I also for US, pro-Trump, anti-Biden heavy slant
>>>https://www.thegatewaypundit.com
>>
>>
>> You do know you can't get the full facts by reading those or
>>leftist news sources. I don't know of any source that give unbiased
>>facts only.
>>
>How much you read about a criminal lawyer being let off by a Democrat
>corrupt Judge with Clinton stacked jury?
>MSN are only reporting charges dropped.
><https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/trump-releases-statement-jury-stacked-dnc-activists-finds-hillary-clinton-lawyer-sussmann-not-guilty/>
> https://tinyurl.com/29a72klp
>
>You need to learn what life is about you won't from Government run
>media. Yes it is you that has to turn down the slant.
>The "paper" I read has a lot of slants, one is talking property prices
>up, the lefty ones talking them down.
>Means one want to sell property the other wants to buy.
>
>Know a lot of conservative journalists in Sweden who will never go
>against Swedish government they know is lying it's ass off..
>
>same is so in the USA!

Fox has gone against the government in the USA.

On Wed, 01 Jun 2022 22:39:19 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 02 Jun 2022 08:51:31 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 01 Jun 2022 15:20:47 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 01 Jun 2022 06:17:55 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 31 May 2022 10:45:13 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Islam is a fake cult, Mohammad had the Koran written by Jewish Slaves
>>>>>>>>Nowhere in the old testament, new testament or Torah is the moon god
>>>>>>>>Allah mentioned. You would think it should be there?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You expect logic from books written for the stupid?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Mind you Mohammad was a white man, the Quran condemns colored people
>>>>>>>>to hell. their heaven is only for white people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never seen that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>But most get sucked in by fakenews media
>>>>>
>>>>> Where do you get your news. Please give a cite.
>>>>>
>>>>>><http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/islam.htm#Arab%20Racism>
>>>>>
>>>>All have slants for US I use (don't mindlessly believe slant)
>>>>https://www.newsmax.com
>>>>https://www.oann.com
>>>>https://www.foxnews.com
>>>>https://nypost.com
>>>>https://gab.com/realdonaldtrump
>>>>in Australia I use a paid Murdoch media all the others are woke crap.
>>>>Sydney Centric but still pushes it's agenda's
>>>>https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au
>>>>
>>>>I also for US, pro-Trump, anti-Biden heavy slant
>>>>https://www.thegatewaypundit.com
>>>
>>>
>>> You do know you can't get the full facts by reading those or
>>>leftist news sources. I don't know of any source that give unbiased
>>>facts only.
>>>
>>How much you read about a criminal lawyer being let off by a Democrat
>>corrupt Judge with Clinton stacked jury?
>>MSN are only reporting charges dropped.
>><https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/trump-releases-statement-jury-stacked-dnc-activists-finds-hillary-clinton-lawyer-sussmann-not-guilty/>
>> https://tinyurl.com/29a72klp
>>
>>You need to learn what life is about you won't from Government run
>>media. Yes it is you that has to turn down the slant.
>>The "paper" I read has a lot of slants, one is talking property prices
>>up, the lefty ones talking them down.
>>Means one want to sell property the other wants to buy.
>>
>>Know a lot of conservative journalists in Sweden who will never go
>>against Swedish government they know is lying it's ass off..
>>
>>same is so in the USA!
>
> Fox has gone against the government in the USA.
>
Yo have no legit government in the USA!
They also turn against Trump, right now seem to suport.
IMO you seem of sound mind don't accept or reject differing opinions.
Quite frankly I believe you smarter than me.
So is Rod Speed but you don't always see eye to eye.
I tend not to read papers that do not allow honest comments
--
Petzl
LOVE HIM OR HATE HIM
Donald Trump has shown the entire nation irrefutably,
explicitly & beyond any shadow of a doubt
that U.S. government & their media propagandists are
corrupt to the core.
Our Legal System is CORRUPT, our Judges (and Justices!) are highly
partisan, compromised or just plain scared, our Borders are OPEN, our
Elections are Rigged, Inflation is RAMPANT, gas prices and food costs
are “through the roof,” our Military “Leadership” is Woke, our Country is going to HELL, and Michael Sussmann is not guilty. How’s
everything else doing? Enjoy your day!!!
Donald J Trump

On Thu, 02 Jun 2022 15:23:42 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> If you wish to vote a duopoly last you can't unless the
>>>> oddity that you vote for gets 50% of the vote first count,
>
>>> Corse you can if you vote below the line.
>
>> you don't no the way preferences work!
>
>You are the one with that problem, as always.
>
>> Your vote goes downhill ,assuming none achieve a vote of over 50%,
>
>And when you vote below the line, you can ensure
>that neither of the two majors ever gets your vote.
>
>> your last box preferences take over and takes over going downhill.
>
>And when you vote below the line, you can ensure
>that neither of the two majors ever gets your vote.
>
>> Again assuming no selected preference is achieve a vote of over 50% in
>> last box, preferences take over with ALL votes gathered going down the
>> preference drain again till they end up in the duopolies rectum!
>
>That last never happens if you don't include those in your voting below
>the line.

Glad you are sure!
--
Petzl
LOVE HIM OR HATE HIM
Donald Trump has shown the entire nation irrefutably,
explicitly & beyond any shadow of a doubt
that U.S. government & their media propagandists are
corrupt to the core.
Our Legal System is CORRUPT, our Judges (and Justices!) are highly
partisan, compromised or just plain scared, our Borders are OPEN, our
Elections are Rigged, Inflation is RAMPANT, gas prices and food costs
are “through the roof,” our Military “Leadership” is Woke, our Country is going to HELL, and Michael Sussmann is not guilty. How’s
everything else doing? Enjoy your day!!!
Donald J Trump

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> If you wish to vote a duopoly last you can't unless the
>>>>> oddity that you vote for gets 50% of the vote first count,

>>>> Corse you can if you vote below the line.

>>> you don't no the way preferences work!

>> You are the one with that problem, as always.

>>> Your vote goes downhill ,assuming none achieve a vote of over 50%,

>> And when you vote below the line, you can ensure
>> that neither of the two majors ever gets your vote.

>>> your last box preferences take over and takes over going downhill.

>> And when you vote below the line, you can ensure
>> that neither of the two majors ever gets your vote.

>>> Again assuming no selected preference is achieve a vote of over 50% in
>>> last box, preferences take over with ALL votes gathered going down the
>>> preference drain again till they end up in the duopolies rectum!

>> That last never happens if you don't include those in your voting below
>> the line.

> Glad you are sure!

That's the way it works.

On Wed, 11 May 2022 18:49:26 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

>On 11-May-22 6:06 pm, Max wrote:
>> I just saw a political message from Pauline Hanson on ABC-TV.
>>
>> She said that Family Law in this country is broken and needs fixing.
>>
>> Is she correct?
>
>She might be. It's hard to know.
>
>Her concerns appear to relate to fathers getting a raw deal, and mothers
>inventing allegations of domestic violence and abuse as a legal tactic.
>
>The difficulty is that we cannot know what proportion of allegations are
>false. Comparing the rate of allegations with that in the wider
>community doesn't help, because there may be under-reporting amongst
>parents who are not separated, and such abuses may be the cause of
>break-ups, so we might expect more violence and abuse in separated
>couples anyway.
>
>On the other hand, Hanson's beliefs are presumably not backed up by more
>data than the rest of us have access to.
>
>So it's a tough call, and will probably continue to be.
>
>Sylvia.

Not if the judge flips a coin and lets the aggrieved call it.

But why didn't the coalition do anything for months, when it was obvious
that blacklisting Russian gas would send prices up?
He probably has a wood fireplace in his humble abode, and will stay warm
while the city slickers freeze in the dark.

Ozix wrote on 2/6/22 8:38 pm:
> But why didn't the coalition do anything for months, when it was obvious
> that blacklisting Russian gas would send prices up?
> He probably has a wood fireplace in his humble abode, and will stay warm
> while the city slickers freeze in the dark.

While watching the T.V. news on this, it occurred to me .... You see
pictures of those ships with the HUGE ball tanks on them, heading off
from the North West Cape to Japan, or wherever, having paid just cents
per Gigalitre or some such. .... Why don't the Vic, N.S.W., S.A. Govt.
lease one of these ships to bring some gas over here??

It would probably work out cheaper at the moment!!
--
Daniel

Daniel65 wrote on 31/5/22 9:18 pm:
> Rod Speed wrote on 30/5/22 5:58 am:
>
> <Snip>
>
>> That was a joke, Joyce.
>
> At 'work' when the 'phone rings, I'll often say 'That'll be the 'phone!'
> and co-workers will look at me strangely ... 'cause none of the
> co-workers are named 'Joyce'!!
>
> Thank you, Graham Kennedy!!

s/'That'll be the 'phone!'/'That'll be the 'phone, Joyce!'
--
Daniel

Ozix <ozix12345@yahoo.com> wrote

> But why didn't the coalition do anything for months, when it was obvious
> that blacklisting Russian gas would send prices up?

Russian gas has not been blacklisted.

> He probably has a wood fireplace in his humble abode, and will stay warm
> while the city slickers freeze in the dark.

Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote
> Ozix wrote

>> But why didn't the coalition do anything for months, when it was
>> obvious that blacklisting Russian gas would send prices up?

>> He probably has a wood fireplace in his humble abode, and will stay
>> warm while the city slickers freeze in the dark.

> While watching the T.V. news on this, it occurred to me .... You see
> pictures of those ships with the HUGE ball tanks on them, heading off
> from the North West Cape to Japan, or wherever, having paid just cents
> per Gigalitre or some such. .... Why don't the Vic, N.S.W., S.A. Govt.
> lease one of these ships to bring some gas over here??

They don't get to grab any gas they want.

> It would probably work out cheaper at the moment!!

Unlikely given that those who have the gas are selling it at world prices.

On 2/06/2022 8:38 pm, Ozix wrote:
> But why didn't the coalition do anything for months, when it was obvious
> that blacklisting Russian gas would send prices up?
> He probably has a wood fireplace in his humble abode, and will stay warm
> while the city slickers freeze in the dark.

**The writing has been on the wall for a long time for fossil fuels. Why
people don't use MUCH more efficient reverse cycle heat pumps for
heating and cooling is a complete mystery to me.

Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> Ozix wrote

>> But why didn't the coalition do anything for months, when it was
>> obvious that blacklisting Russian gas would send prices up?
>> He probably has a wood fireplace in his humble abode, and will stay
>> warm while the city slickers freeze in the dark.

> The writing has been on the wall for a long time for fossil fuels.

That isn't the reason for the current hikes.

> Why people don't use MUCH more efficient reverse cycle heatpumps for
> heating and cooling is a complete mystery to me.

Because the capital cost is much higher and the
ongoing maintenance costs are much higher.

On 3/06/2022 9:41 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>> Ozix wrote
>
>>> But why didn't the coalition do anything for months, when it was
>>> obvious that blacklisting Russian gas would send prices up?
>>> He probably has a wood fireplace in his humble abode, and will stay
>>> warm while the city slickers freeze in the dark.
>
>> The writing has been on the wall for a long time for fossil fuels.
>
> That isn't the reason for the current hikes.

**It's a small part of the reason. Fossil fuels will, eventually, be
legislated out of existence. Much smarter to begin alternative
arrangements now.

>
>> Why people don't use MUCH more efficient reverse cycle heatpumps for
>> heating and cooling is a complete mystery to me.
>
> Because the capital cost is much higher and the
> ongoing maintenance costs are much higher.

**Capital costs higher? Lemme see:

I paid $2,500.00 for my 7kW, inverter air con (Installed) 15 years ago.
COP and EER are approximately 4:1. It heats and cools my entire home
easily. After an initial hit for 30 mins at high power, it drops down to
around 750 ~ 800Watts of power consumption. VERY efficient. Maintenance
has been the odd cleaning of twigs from the outdoor unit and cleaning
the filters on the indoor one. Cost = $0.00. Running costs are
considerably lower than gas heating and VASTLY lower than resistive
heating. AND I get cooling in the Summer. Try that with gas. Bet you can't.

AND, since there is no town gas in my area, I would have to go with LPG.

Gas is for dummies.

Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>> Ozix wrote

>>>> But why didn't the coalition do anything for months, when it was
>>>> obvious that blacklisting Russian gas would send prices up?
>>>> He probably has a wood fireplace in his humble abode, and will stay
>>>> warm while the city slickers freeze in the dark.

>>> The writing has been on the wall for a long time for fossil fuels.

>> That isn't the reason for the current hikes.

> It's a small part of the reason.

Bullshit.

> Fossil fuels will, eventually, be legislated out of existence.

Bullshit.

> Much smarter to begin alternative arrangements now.

Bullshit.

>>> Why people don't use MUCH more efficient reverse cycle heatpumps for
>>> heating and cooling is a complete mystery to me.

>> Because the capital cost is much higher and the
>> ongoing maintenance costs are much higher.

> Capital costs higher?

Fraid so.

> Lemme see:

> I paid $2,500.00 for my 7kW, inverter air con (Installed) 15 years ago.

Pity that fan heaters cost a hell of a lot less than that.

> COP and EER are approximately 4:1. It heats and cools my entire home
> easily.

Not true for most houses.

> After an initial hit for 30 mins at high power, it dropsdown to around
> 750 ~ 800Watts of power consumption.

Not true for most houses.

> VERY efficient. Maintenance has been the odd cleaning of twigs from the
> outdoor unit and cleaning the filters on the indoor one. Cost = $0.00.

The technical term for that is 'pathetically inadequate sample'

> Running costs are considerably lower than gas heating and VASTLY lower
> than resistive heating. AND I get cooling in the Summer. Try that with
> gas. Bet you can't.

But many of us can use evaporative coolers which chost fuck all to run.

> AND, since there is no town gas in my area, I would have to go with LPG.

> Gas is for dummies.

Rod Speed wrote on 3/6/22 5:03 am:
> Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote
>> Ozix wrote
>
>>> But why didn't the coalition do anything for months, when it was
>>> obvious that blacklisting Russian gas would send prices up?
>
>>> He probably has a wood fireplace in his humble abode, and will
>>> stay warm while the city slickers freeze in the dark.
>
>> While watching the T.V. news on this, it occurred to me .... You
>> see pictures of those ships with the HUGE ball tanks on them,
>> heading off from the North West Cape to Japan, or wherever, having
>> paid just cents per Gigalitre or some such. .... Why don't the Vic,
>> N.S.W., S.A. Govt. lease one of these ships to bring some gas over
>> here??
>
> They don't get to grab any gas they want.

Correct .... but nothing stopping them be purchasers!!
>
>> It would probably work out cheaper at the moment!!
>
> Unlikely given that those who have the gas are selling it at world
> prices.

Correct .... but, even allowing for the shipping costs, it would still
probably be cheaper than what we're paying at the moment.
--
Daniel

Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote
>>> Ozix wrote

>>>> But why didn't the coalition do anything for months, when it was
>>>> obvious that blacklisting Russian gas would send prices up?

>>>> He probably has a wood fireplace in his humble abode, and will
>>>> stay warm while the city slickers freeze in the dark.
>>
>>> While watching the T.V. news on this, it occurred to me .... You
>>> see pictures of those ships with the HUGE ball tanks on them,
>>> heading off from the North West Cape to Japan, or wherever, having
>>> paid just cents per Gigalitre or some such. .... Why don't the Vic,
>>> N.S.W., S.A. Govt. lease one of these ships to bring some gas over
>>> here??

>> They don't get to grab any gas they want.

> Correct .... but nothing stopping them be purchasers!!

That's less clear given the current contracts!!

And they would obviously have to pay current very high prices for that gas
too.

>>> It would probably work out cheaper at the moment!!

>> Unlikely given that those who have the gas are selling it at world
>> prices.

> Correct .... but, even allowing for the shipping costs, it would still
> probably be cheaper than what we're paying at the moment.

Wrong, as always. If that was true, we'd be doing that, stupid.