Rod Speed wrote on 1/1/23 8:37 pm:
> On Sun, 01 Jan 2023 19:51:16 +1100, Daniel65
> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> Rod Speed wrote on 1/1/23 9:37 am:
>>> On Sun, 01 Jan 2023 08:40:07 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> <Snip>
>>
>>>> Happy New Year Rod.
>>>  Same to you.
>>>
>>>> Cut down on the media chook food you swallow.
>>>  Cut down on the stupid conspiracy theorys you gorge on.
>
>> I wouldn't mind so much IF IT WERE *OUR* MEDIA AND/OR GOVERNMENT
>
> He does that a bit with Albo and Whitlam getting sacked
> and the other terminal stupidity about our constitution
> only allowing xtian god botherers to be MPs and judges etc.

Oh!! Dear!! I see Petzl has responded to this post of yours, Rod!

I wonder what his rant will be .... NOT!!

>> but why does Petzl have to recite all this Yank crap in aus.politics
>> (emphasis on the *aus* )
>
> Presumably because the yank media has a lot more of it than ours does.
>
>> Maybe Petzl could have made that his New Years resolution!
>
> Then he would have nothing to talk about.
>
>> Happy New Year everyone!!
>
> Same to everyone, its been absolutely gloriouis
> weather here right thru from xmas eve to today.
> First decent sign of summer, very late this year.
--
Daniel

On Mon, 02 Jan 2023 15:29:58 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> On 2/01/2023 12:49 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Mon, 02 Jan 2023 11:44:04 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/01/2023 11:19 am, KKKernal Corn wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 10:40:35 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/01/2023 8:47 am, KKKernal Corn wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 21:27:37 -0000 (UTC), Lars <lars@hotmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Melting sea ice has only a minor impact on sea level rise because
>>>>>>> the ice
>>>>>>> is already in the ocean, but it does cause major changes to the
>>>>>>> planet.
>>>>>>> When sea ice melts, more sunlight is absorbed by the Earth, which
>>>>>>> causes
>>>>>>> more warming.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It’s a vicious cycle. And here’s how it works:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When solar radiation hits snow and ice, approximately 90% of it is
>>>>>>> reflected back out to space. As global warming causes more snow
>>>>>>> and ice to
>>>>>>> melt each summer, the ocean underneath the ice is exposed. The
>>>>>>> dark color
>>>>>>> of ocean absorbs more incoming solar radiation, reflecting less
>>>>>>> back out
>>>>>>> to space. In this way, melting ice causes more warming and so more
>>>>>>> ice
>>>>>>> melts. This is known as a feedback. According to a recent
>>>>>>> scientific study
>>>>>>> that used computer models to predict the future of Arctic sea ice,
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> may be no more sea ice left in the Arctic Ocean during summer
>>>>>>> within the
>>>>>>> next few decades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can make a simple model that shows how the color of ice and
>>>>>>> water
>>>>>>> impacts temperature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What you need:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2 thermometers
>>>>>>> A photo of what sea ice and ocean look like from a satellite (like
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> one from the NASA Earth Observatory)
>>>>>>> Tape
>>>>>>> Watch or stopwatch
>>>>>>> A lamp with a 75-100 watt incandescent bulb (or sunshine)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What you do:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fix thermometers to the back of the picture using tape. One
>>>>>>> thermometer
>>>>>>> bulb should be under ice and the other under ocean. Place the
>>>>>>> thermometers
>>>>>>> so that when you lay the picture down on a table, they are right
>>>>>>> side up
>>>>>>> and can be read.
>>>>>>> Place the light about a foot above the picture. Don’t turn it on
>>>>>>> yet!
>>>>>>> Read the thermometers before the light is turned on.
>>>>>>> Turn on their light and record the start time.
>>>>>>> Read the temperature of both thermometers every two minutes. Which
>>>>>>> warms
>>>>>>> faster: the thermometer under white ice or the one under dark
>>>>>>> ocean?
>>>>>>> Check out more icy science:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Types of Ice
>>>>>>> Climate and Ice
>>>>>>> Melting Arctic Sea Ice and Ocean Circulation
>>>>>>> Compare Arctic Sea Ice Extent
>>>>>>> A classroom version of the activity above: Looking into Surface
>>>>>>> Albedo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/climate-change-impacts/sea-ice-and-
>>>>>>> heat-vicious-cycle
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yebbut how do you explain the next Ice Age?
>>>>>
>>>>> **An ice age is ALWAYS preceded by falling temperatures.
>>>>>
>>>>> The average temperature of the planet is RISING.
>>>>>
>>>>> Therefore, we cannot expect to see an ice age anytime soon.
>>
>>>> But there will eventually BE one.
>>
>>> There MIGHT be an ice age. Or not.
>> You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist fellas ?
>>
>>> All present evidence suggests that there is no ice age in our future..
>> That's just waffle. We don't actually know what
>> produces ice ages

> Bullshit. We know EXACTLY what causes an ice age - FALLING temperatures
> and falling CO2 levels.

That's not the cause, that's the RESULT, fuckwit.

> We are presently experiencing RISING temperatures

By sweet fuck all, just 0.5C

> and RISING CO2 levels.

It has been much higher previously, fuckwit.

> While those two things occur, there is zero chance of an ice age.

BULLSHIT

> It's just physics.

BULLSHIT

> Falling temperatures = ice age.

Falling temps are the RESULT of the ice age, fuckwit.

> Rising temperatures = no ice age.

Pathetic.

> It really is that simple.

Nope, dope.

>> and so there isnt any evidence
>> about whether we will have another one or not.

> Unless temperatures begin to fall, there is zero chance of an ice age.

But it remains to be seen when they fall again.

>>> Again: An ice age is ALWAYS preceded by falling temperatures.

>> Hardly surprising, stupid.

> Clearly, it needs to be stated.

Nope, dope.

> Some of the morons reading these pages still don't understand:

You clearly don't.

<reams of your endless repetition of your complete pig ignorance flushed
where it belongs>

>>> We are experiencing RISING temperatures.

>> But it remains to be seen how long that minimal change will continue
>> for.

> As long as CO2 levels continue to rise, so will temperatures.

That remains to be seen. The TINY effect of the MASSIVE hike
in CO2 levels may well be swamped by what CAUSES ice ages.

>>> Zero chance of an ice age.

>> BULLSHIT.

>> Pity about

>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png

<reams of your endless repetition of your complete pig ignorance flushed
where it belongs>

On Mon, 02 Jan 2023 19:24:30 +1100, Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org>
wrote:

> Rod Speed wrote on 1/1/23 8:37 pm:
>> On Sun, 01 Jan 2023 19:51:16 +1100, Daniel65
>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Rod Speed wrote on 1/1/23 9:37 am:
>>>> On Sun, 01 Jan 2023 08:40:07 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <Snip>
>>>
>>>>> Happy New Year Rod.
>>>> Same to you.
>>>>
>>>>> Cut down on the media chook food you swallow.
>>>> Cut down on the stupid conspiracy theorys you gorge on.
>>
>>> I wouldn't mind so much IF IT WERE *OUR* MEDIA AND/OR GOVERNMENT

>> He does that a bit with Albo and Whitlam getting sacked
>> and the other terminal stupidity about our constitution
>> only allowing xtian god botherers to be MPs and judges etc.

> Oh!! Dear!! I see Petzl has responded to this post of yours, Rod!

> I wonder what his rant will be .... NOT!!

Yeah, absolutely guaranteed to just be a respewing of the endless
mindless compiracy theory bullshit with the sacking of Whitlam.
the stupid line about our constitution only allowing stupid Xtians
to be MPs, judges etc when in fact is actually says the exact opposite.

Presumably the result of rampant dementia.

>>> but why does Petzl have to recite all this Yank crap in aus.politics
>>> (emphasis on the *aus* )

>> Presumably because the yank media has a lot more of it than ours does.

>>> Maybe Petzl could have made that his New Years resolution!

>> Then he would have nothing to talk about.

>>> Happy New Year everyone!!

>> Same to everyone, its been absolutely gloriouis
>> weather here right thru from xmas eve to today.
>> First decent sign of summer, very late this year.

Ördög wrote on 2/1/23 8:37 am:
> Fran wrote:
>> A bit late but I've only just seen this and I'm sure some will
>> appreciate it:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkU1ob_lHCw
>
> :-)   Good one, Fran!
>
> I also have zinger:
>
> *Lock Him Up Yesterday!*
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdSZRkeQfnk>
>
> Petz just going to love it!
>
> ;-)
>
Gee, there are some talented, funny, people out there.

Thank you both!
--
Daniel

On 2/01/2023 7:40 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jan 2023 15:29:58 +1100, Trevor Wilson
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 2/01/2023 12:49 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Mon, 02 Jan 2023 11:44:04 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/01/2023 11:19 am, KKKernal Corn wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 10:40:35 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/01/2023 8:47 am, KKKernal Corn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 21:27:37 -0000 (UTC), Lars <lars@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Melting sea ice has only a minor impact on sea level rise
>>>>>>>> because the ice
>>>>>>>> is already in the ocean, but it does cause major changes to the
>>>>>>>> planet.
>>>>>>>> When sea ice melts, more sunlight is absorbed by the Earth,
>>>>>>>> which causes
>>>>>>>> more warming.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It’s a vicious cycle.  And here’s how it works:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When solar radiation hits snow and ice, approximately 90% of it is
>>>>>>>> reflected back out to space. As global warming causes more snow
>>>>>>>> and ice to
>>>>>>>> melt each summer, the ocean underneath the ice is exposed. The
>>>>>>>> dark color
>>>>>>>> of ocean absorbs more incoming solar radiation, reflecting less
>>>>>>>> back out
>>>>>>>> to space. In this way, melting ice causes more warming and so
>>>>>>>> more ice
>>>>>>>> melts. This is known as a feedback. According to a recent
>>>>>>>> scientific study
>>>>>>>> that used computer models to predict the future of Arctic sea
>>>>>>>> ice, there
>>>>>>>> may be no more sea ice left in the Arctic Ocean during summer
>>>>>>>> within the
>>>>>>>> next few decades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can make a simple model that shows how the color of ice and
>>>>>>>> water
>>>>>>>> impacts temperature.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What you need:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2 thermometers
>>>>>>>> A photo of what sea ice and ocean look like from a satellite
>>>>>>>> (like this
>>>>>>>> one from the NASA Earth Observatory)
>>>>>>>> Tape
>>>>>>>> Watch or stopwatch
>>>>>>>> A lamp with a 75-100 watt incandescent bulb (or sunshine)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What you do:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fix thermometers to the back of the picture using tape. One
>>>>>>>> thermometer
>>>>>>>> bulb should be under ice and the other under ocean. Place the
>>>>>>>> thermometers
>>>>>>>> so that when you lay the picture down on a table, they are right
>>>>>>>> side up
>>>>>>>> and can be read.
>>>>>>>> Place the light about a foot above the picture. Don’t turn it on
>>>>>>>> yet!
>>>>>>>> Read the thermometers before the light is turned on.
>>>>>>>> Turn on their light and record the start time.
>>>>>>>> Read the temperature of both thermometers every two minutes.
>>>>>>>> Which warms
>>>>>>>> faster: the thermometer under white ice or the one under dark
>>>>>>>> ocean?
>>>>>>>> Check out more icy science:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Types of Ice
>>>>>>>> Climate and Ice
>>>>>>>> Melting Arctic Sea Ice and Ocean Circulation
>>>>>>>> Compare Arctic Sea Ice Extent
>>>>>>>> A classroom version of the activity above: Looking into Surface
>>>>>>>> Albedo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/climate-change-impacts/sea-ice-and-
>>>>>>>> heat-vicious-cycle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yebbut how do you explain the next Ice Age?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **An ice age is ALWAYS preceded by falling temperatures.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The average temperature of the planet is RISING.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Therefore, we cannot expect to see an ice age anytime soon.
>>>
>>>>>  But there will eventually BE one.
>>>
>>>> There MIGHT be an ice age. Or not.
>>>  You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist fellas ?
>>>
>>>> All present evidence suggests that there is no ice age in our future.
>>>  That's just waffle. We don't actually know what
>>> produces ice ages
>
>> Bullshit. We know EXACTLY what causes an ice age - FALLING
>> temperatures and falling CO2 levels.
>
> That's not the cause, that's the RESULT, fuckwit.

**Prove it. I won't hold my breath waiting for you to do so.

>
>> We are presently experiencing RISING temperatures
>
> By sweet fuck all, just 0.5C

**A rising average temperature is just that - RISING.

>
>> and RISING CO2 levels.
>
> It has been much higher previously, fuckwit.

**When would that be? What was the average temperature?

>
>> While those two things occur, there is zero chance of an ice age.
>
> BULLSHIT

**A fact, you moron. You cannot have an ice age, if temperatures are
rising, unless you live in some kind of bizzarro universe. Which I guess
you do.

Go learn some basic science and get back to us.

>
>> It's just physics.
>
> BULLSHIT

**It actually is. If only you understood basic science.....

>
>
>> Falling temperatures = ice age.
>
> Falling temps are the RESULT of the ice age, fuckwit.

**Falling temperatures have preceded EVERY SINGLE ice age. Therefore, an
ice age is the result of falling temperatures and falling CO2 levels.

>
>> Rising temperatures = no ice age.
>
> Pathetic.

**It's basic science. You cannot have an ice age when temperatures are
rising.

>
>> It really is that simple.
>
> Nope, dope.
>
>>>   and so there isnt any evidence
>>> about whether we will have another one or not.
>
>> Unless temperatures begin to fall, there is zero chance of an ice age.
>
> But it remains to be seen when they fall again.

**It remains to be seen _IF_ they will fall.

>
>>>> Again: An ice age is ALWAYS preceded by falling temperatures.
>
>>>  Hardly surprising, stupid.
>
>> Clearly, it needs to be stated.
>
> Nope, dope.
>
>> Some of the morons reading these pages still don't understand:
>
> You clearly don't.

**OK, Mr floor cleaner, tell us how an ice age can possible occur, when
CO2 levels and temperatures are rising.

I won't hold my breath waiting for your idiotic explanation.

>
> <reams of your endless repetition of your complete pig ignorance flushed
> where it belongs>
>
>>>> We are experiencing RISING temperatures.
>
>>>  But it remains to be seen how long that minimal change will continue
>>> for.
>
>> As long as CO2 levels continue to rise, so will temperatures.
>
> That remains to be seen.

**And yet, it has happened over the past 150-odd years and it has
happened every time the planet warmed in the past. Why should it be
different now?

The TINY effect of the MASSIVE hike
> in CO2 levels may well be swamped by what CAUSES ice ages.

**Tell us, Mr Genius floor sweeper: What causes ice ages?

In your response, tell us how an ice age can occur, when CO2 levels and
temperatures are still rising.

In alt.global-warming Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
> On 2/01/2023 7:40 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
....
>> <reams of your endless repetition of your complete pig ignorance flushed
>> where it belongs>
> **I get that you cannot answer basic scientific questions, due to your
> extreme levels of ignorance. Go learn some basic science and come back
> to us.

It probably doesnt do any good to even talk to Rodley about anything
at this point. Presumable the covid has snatched another 20 iq points off
the guy and there's just no way it will register.

Simplistically, the climate system is like an oscillator with a couple
control inputs.
Left to itself it will flip into a major glaciation and out again
every now and then.
So the future state is a function of the past state without any help.
And changes of any of the control inputs are also responsible
for future states.
Why the frequency is 100ky is not entirely understood.
It is presumed to be something related to earth's orbit and/or
major volcanism (e.g. related to "big stuff" like continental drift where
1000 or 1 mn volcanoes start up -- not just the odd supervolcano that
usually doesnt have a noticable effect for even a decade).
Why the oscillator has switched on and off and changed frequency in the past
are not entirely clear, either.
But we are quite sure that co2 levels and the sun are major control
inputs. If either are forced to change -- e.g. by Jupiter tugging on
the Earth's orbit or some nitwit digging up a trillion tonnes of
carbon that had been safely stored underground 100 mn years ago and
dumping it in the atm -- the surface temp will change.
Unlike Wod's ".5 degree" -- that might have applied when he was in
junior school in the 50s -- the actual change to day is easily over 1C
compared to the start of the IR in the mid 19th C and probably now has some
momentum (because the oscillator continues to move even after control inputs
go back to neutral) to pass the 1.5C limit without any further help.
We've turned hard right and over the past few years started to return
the wheel to neutral but no way are we near that yet. We're still
headed for the centre-divider at 100 kph.

--
"Global warming" refers to the global-average temperature increase
that has been observed over the last one hundred years or more. But to
many politicians and the public, the term carries the implication that
mankind is responsible for that warming.
-- Dr Roy W. Spencer, "Global Warming", 2008

On Mon, 02 Jan 2023 20:32:21 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> On 2/01/2023 7:40 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Mon, 02 Jan 2023 15:29:58 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/01/2023 12:49 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 02 Jan 2023 11:44:04 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/01/2023 11:19 am, KKKernal Corn wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 10:40:35 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>>>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/01/2023 8:47 am, KKKernal Corn wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 21:27:37 -0000 (UTC), Lars <lars@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Melting sea ice has only a minor impact on sea level rise
>>>>>>>>> because the ice
>>>>>>>>> is already in the ocean, but it does cause major changes to the
>>>>>>>>> planet.
>>>>>>>>> When sea ice melts, more sunlight is absorbed by the Earth,
>>>>>>>>> which causes
>>>>>>>>> more warming.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It’s a vicious cycle. And here’s how it works:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When solar radiation hits snow and ice, approximately 90% of it
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> reflected back out to space. As global warming causes more snow
>>>>>>>>> and ice to
>>>>>>>>> melt each summer, the ocean underneath the ice is exposed. The
>>>>>>>>> dark color
>>>>>>>>> of ocean absorbs more incoming solar radiation, reflecting less
>>>>>>>>> back out
>>>>>>>>> to space. In this way, melting ice causes more warming and so
>>>>>>>>> more ice
>>>>>>>>> melts. This is known as a feedback. According to a recent
>>>>>>>>> scientific study
>>>>>>>>> that used computer models to predict the future of Arctic sea
>>>>>>>>> ice, there
>>>>>>>>> may be no more sea ice left in the Arctic Ocean during summer
>>>>>>>>> within the
>>>>>>>>> next few decades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can make a simple model that shows how the color of ice and
>>>>>>>>> water
>>>>>>>>> impacts temperature.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What you need:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2 thermometers
>>>>>>>>> A photo of what sea ice and ocean look like from a satellite
>>>>>>>>> (like this
>>>>>>>>> one from the NASA Earth Observatory)
>>>>>>>>> Tape
>>>>>>>>> Watch or stopwatch
>>>>>>>>> A lamp with a 75-100 watt incandescent bulb (or sunshine)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What you do:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fix thermometers to the back of the picture using tape. One
>>>>>>>>> thermometer
>>>>>>>>> bulb should be under ice and the other under ocean. Place the
>>>>>>>>> thermometers
>>>>>>>>> so that when you lay the picture down on a table, they are right
>>>>>>>>> side up
>>>>>>>>> and can be read.
>>>>>>>>> Place the light about a foot above the picture. Don’t turn it on
>>>>>>>>> yet!
>>>>>>>>> Read the thermometers before the light is turned on.
>>>>>>>>> Turn on their light and record the start time.
>>>>>>>>> Read the temperature of both thermometers every two minutes.
>>>>>>>>> Which warms
>>>>>>>>> faster: the thermometer under white ice or the one under dark
>>>>>>>>> ocean?
>>>>>>>>> Check out more icy science:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Types of Ice
>>>>>>>>> Climate and Ice
>>>>>>>>> Melting Arctic Sea Ice and Ocean Circulation
>>>>>>>>> Compare Arctic Sea Ice Extent
>>>>>>>>> A classroom version of the activity above: Looking into Surface
>>>>>>>>> Albedo
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/climate-change-impacts/sea-ice-and-
>>>>>>>>> heat-vicious-cycle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yebbut how do you explain the next Ice Age?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **An ice age is ALWAYS preceded by falling temperatures.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The average temperature of the planet is RISING.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Therefore, we cannot expect to see an ice age anytime soon.
>>>>
>>>>>> But there will eventually BE one.
>>>>
>>>>> There MIGHT be an ice age. Or not.
>>>> You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist fellas ?
>>>>
>>>>> All present evidence suggests that there is no ice age in our future.
>>>> That's just waffle. We don't actually know what
>>>> produces ice ages
>>
>>> Bullshit. We know EXACTLY what causes an ice age - FALLING
>>> temperatures and falling CO2 levels.

>> That's not the cause, that's the RESULT, fuckwit.

> Prove it.

Too obvious to need proving, fuckwit.

Whatever produces an ice age cools things down
initially only reducing temperatures, and eventually
that sees fucking great sheets of ice, stupid.

To substantiate your stupid line, you need to come
up with what causes the initial drop in temperatures.

>>> We are presently experiencing RISING temperatures

>> By sweet fuck all, just 0.5C

> A rising average temperature is just that - RISING.

By sweet fuck all, just 0.5C

>>> and RISING CO2 levels.

>> It has been much higher previously, fuckwit.

> When would that be? What was the average temperature?

Look that up for yourself.

>>> While those two things occur, there is zero chance of an ice age.

>> BULLSHIT

> You cannot have an ice age, if temperatures are rising,

But you can certainly have one when whatever causes an
ice age happens again, you stupid pig ignorant clown.

And ALL the previous ice ages have seen a period of rising
temps before they started dropping because of the ice age.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png

>>> It's just physics.

>> BULLSHIT

>>> Falling temperatures = ice age.

>> Falling temps are the RESULT of the ice age, fuckwit.

> Falling temperatures have preceded EVERY SINGLE ice age.

And ALL the previous ice ages have seen a period of rising
temps before they started dropping because of the ice age.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png

> Therefore, an ice age is the result of falling temperatures

Which have followed a period of rising temps.

>>> Rising temperatures = no ice age.

>> Pathetic.

> It's basic science. You cannot have an ice age when temperatures are
> rising.

But they never rise forever, fuckwit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png

>>> It really is that simple.

>> Nope, dope.

>>>> and so there isnt any evidence
>>>> about whether we will have another one or not.

>>> Unless temperatures begin to fall, there is zero chance of an ice age.

>> But it remains to be seen when they fall again.

> It remains to be seen _IF_ they will fall.

They ALWAYS have before and will do again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png

The current temps are no higher than they have been before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png

R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> wrote

> In alt.global-warming Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>> On 2/01/2023 7:40 pm, Rod Speed wrote:

> Simplistically, the climate system is like an oscillator with a couple
> control inputs.

> Left to itself it will flip into a major glaciation and out again
> every now and then.

> So the future state is a function of the past state without any help.
> And changes of any of the control inputs are also responsible
> for future states.

> Why the frequency is 100ky is not entirely understood.

> It is presumed to be something related to earth's orbit and/or
> major volcanism (e.g. related to "big stuff" like continental drift where
> 1000 or 1 mn volcanoes start up -- not just the odd supervolcano that
> usually doesnt have a noticable effect for even a decade).

> Why the oscillator has switched on and off and changed frequency in the
> past
> are not entirely clear, either.

> But we are quite sure that co2 levels and the sun are major control
> inputs. If either are forced to change -- e.g. by Jupiter tugging on
> the Earth's orbit or some nitwit digging up a trillion tonnes of
> carbon that had been safely stored underground 100 mn years ago and
> dumping it in the atm -- the surface temp will change.

> Unlike Wod's ".5 degree" -- that might have applied when he was in
> junior school in the 50s -- the actual change to day is easily over 1C
> compared to the start of the IR in the mid 19th C

Still sweet fuck all in the scale seen with ice ages and so would
be swamped by another ice age.

? and probably now has
> some
> momentum (because the oscillator continues to move even after control
> inputs
> go back to neutral) to pass the 1.5C limit without any further help.

Still sweet fuck all in the scale seen with ice ages and so would
be swamped by another ice age.

> We've turned hard right and over the past few years started to return
> the wheel to neutral but no way are we near that yet. We're still
> headed for the centre-divider at 100 kph.

Bullshit and irrelevant to what is being discussed, the stupid
claim that there will never be another ice age.

"Lars" <lars@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tosts9$33c2t$1@news.mixmin.net...
> Melting sea ice has only a minor impact on sea level rise because the ice
> is already in the ocean, but it does cause major changes to the planet.
> When sea ice melts, more sunlight is absorbed by the Earth, which causes
> more warming.
>
> It's a vicious cycle. And here's how it works:
>
> When solar radiation hits snow and ice, approximately 90% of it is
> reflected back out to space. As global warming causes more snow and ice to
> melt each summer, the ocean underneath the ice is exposed.

IOW, it's part of a normal cycle...

Meanwhile, we're told that solar energy is the solution even though a solar
panel absorbs about 95% of the light that impacts it and only reflects about
5%...

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:k1ejvkFcpsqU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 2/01/2023 8:47 am, KKKernal Corn wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 21:27:37 -0000 (UTC), Lars <lars@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Melting sea ice has only a minor impact on sea level rise because the
>>> ice
>>> is already in the ocean, but it does cause major changes to the planet.
>>> When sea ice melts, more sunlight is absorbed by the Earth, which causes
>>> more warming.
>>>
>>> It’s a vicious cycle. And here’s how it works:
>>>
>>> When solar radiation hits snow and ice, approximately 90% of it is
>>> reflected back out to space. As global warming causes more snow and ice
>>> to
>>> melt each summer, the ocean underneath the ice is exposed. The dark
>>> color
>>> of ocean absorbs more incoming solar radiation, reflecting less back out
>>> to space. In this way, melting ice causes more warming and so more ice
>>> melts. This is known as a feedback. According to a recent scientific
>>> study
>>> that used computer models to predict the future of Arctic sea ice, there
>>> may be no more sea ice left in the Arctic Ocean during summer within the
>>> next few decades
>>>
>>> You can make a simple model that shows how the color of ice and water
>>> impacts temperature.
>>>
>>> What you need:
>>>
>>> 2 thermometers
>>> A photo of what sea ice and ocean look like from a satellite (like this
>>> one from the NASA Earth Observatory)
>>> Tape
>>> Watch or stopwatch
>>> A lamp with a 75-100 watt incandescent bulb (or sunshine)
>>>
>>> What you do:
>>>
>>> Fix thermometers to the back of the picture using tape. One thermometer
>>> bulb should be under ice and the other under ocean. Place the
>>> thermometers
>>> so that when you lay the picture down on a table, they are right side up
>>> and can be read.
>>> Place the light about a foot above the picture. Don’t turn it on yet!
>>> Read the thermometers before the light is turned on.
>>> Turn on their light and record the start time.
>>> Read the temperature of both thermometers every two minutes. Which warms
>>> faster: the thermometer under white ice or the one under dark ocean?
>>> Check out more icy science:
>>>
>>> Types of Ice
>>> Climate and Ice
>>> Melting Arctic Sea Ice and Ocean Circulation
>>> Compare Arctic Sea Ice Extent
>>> A classroom version of the activity above: Looking into Surface Albedo
>>>
>>> https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/climate-change-impacts/sea-ice-and-
>>> heat-vicious-cycle
>>
>> Yebbut how do you explain the next Ice Age?
>
> **An ice age is ALWAYS preceded by falling temperatures.
>
> The average temperature of the planet is RISING.

Yep, temperatures go up.. until suddenly they start going down.. that's why
it's called a 'cycle'

"KKKernal Corn" <vet@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:im84rhh7fv3vigtgplrbfnb84b1159b84f@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 10:40:35 +1100, Trevor Wilson
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>>On 2/01/2023 8:47 am, KKKernal Corn wrote:
>>> On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 21:27:37 -0000 (UTC), Lars <lars@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Melting sea ice has only a minor impact on sea level rise because the
>>>> ice
>>>> is already in the ocean, but it does cause major changes to the planet.
>>>> When sea ice melts, more sunlight is absorbed by the Earth, which
>>>> causes
>>>> more warming.
>>>>
>>>> It's a vicious cycle. And here's how it works:
>>>>
>>>> When solar radiation hits snow and ice, approximately 90% of it is
>>>> reflected back out to space. As global warming causes more snow and ice
>>>> to
>>>> melt each summer, the ocean underneath the ice is exposed. The dark
>>>> color
>>>> of ocean absorbs more incoming solar radiation, reflecting less back
>>>> out
>>>> to space. In this way, melting ice causes more warming and so more ice
>>>> melts. This is known as a feedback. According to a recent scientific
>>>> study
>>>> that used computer models to predict the future of Arctic sea ice,
>>>> there
>>>> may be no more sea ice left in the Arctic Ocean during summer within
>>>> the
>>>> next few decades
>>>>
>>>> You can make a simple model that shows how the color of ice and water
>>>> impacts temperature.
>>>>
>>>> What you need:
>>>>
>>>> 2 thermometers
>>>> A photo of what sea ice and ocean look like from a satellite (like this
>>>> one from the NASA Earth Observatory)
>>>> Tape
>>>> Watch or stopwatch
>>>> A lamp with a 75-100 watt incandescent bulb (or sunshine)
>>>>
>>>> What you do:
>>>>
>>>> Fix thermometers to the back of the picture using tape. One thermometer
>>>> bulb should be under ice and the other under ocean. Place the
>>>> thermometers
>>>> so that when you lay the picture down on a table, they are right side
>>>> up
>>>> and can be read.
>>>> Place the light about a foot above the picture. Don't turn it on yet!
>>>> Read the thermometers before the light is turned on.
>>>> Turn on their light and record the start time.
>>>> Read the temperature of both thermometers every two minutes. Which
>>>> warms
>>>> faster: the thermometer under white ice or the one under dark ocean?
>>>> Check out more icy science:
>>>>
>>>> Types of Ice
>>>> Climate and Ice
>>>> Melting Arctic Sea Ice and Ocean Circulation
>>>> Compare Arctic Sea Ice Extent
>>>> A classroom version of the activity above: Looking into Surface Albedo
>>>>
>>>> https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/climate-change-impacts/sea-ice-and-
>>>> heat-vicious-cycle
>>>
>>> Yebbut how do you explain the next Ice Age?
>>
>>**An ice age is ALWAYS preceded by falling temperatures.
>>
>>The average temperature of the planet is RISING.
>>
>>Therefore, we cannot expect to see an ice age anytime soon.
>
> But there will eventually BE one.

Actually looking at the historical record.. the next glacial period can be
expected at any time.. indeed.. global warming could be the trigger for a
glacial period.

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:k1enmlFdli8U1@mid.individual.net...
> On 2/01/2023 11:19 am, KKKernal Corn wrote:
>> On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 10:40:35 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/01/2023 8:47 am, KKKernal Corn wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 21:27:37 -0000 (UTC), Lars <lars@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Melting sea ice has only a minor impact on sea level rise because the
>>>>> ice
>>>>> is already in the ocean, but it does cause major changes to the
>>>>> planet.
>>>>> When sea ice melts, more sunlight is absorbed by the Earth, which
>>>>> causes
>>>>> more warming.
>>>>>
>>>>> It’s a vicious cycle. And here’s how it works:
>>>>>
>>>>> When solar radiation hits snow and ice, approximately 90% of it is
>>>>> reflected back out to space. As global warming causes more snow and
>>>>> ice to
>>>>> melt each summer, the ocean underneath the ice is exposed. The dark
>>>>> color
>>>>> of ocean absorbs more incoming solar radiation, reflecting less back
>>>>> out
>>>>> to space. In this way, melting ice causes more warming and so more ice
>>>>> melts. This is known as a feedback. According to a recent scientific
>>>>> study
>>>>> that used computer models to predict the future of Arctic sea ice,
>>>>> there
>>>>> may be no more sea ice left in the Arctic Ocean during summer within
>>>>> the
>>>>> next few decades
>>>>>
>>>>> You can make a simple model that shows how the color of ice and water
>>>>> impacts temperature.
>>>>>
>>>>> What you need:
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 thermometers
>>>>> A photo of what sea ice and ocean look like from a satellite (like
>>>>> this
>>>>> one from the NASA Earth Observatory)
>>>>> Tape
>>>>> Watch or stopwatch
>>>>> A lamp with a 75-100 watt incandescent bulb (or sunshine)
>>>>>
>>>>> What you do:
>>>>>
>>>>> Fix thermometers to the back of the picture using tape. One
>>>>> thermometer
>>>>> bulb should be under ice and the other under ocean. Place the
>>>>> thermometers
>>>>> so that when you lay the picture down on a table, they are right side
>>>>> up
>>>>> and can be read.
>>>>> Place the light about a foot above the picture. Don’t turn it on yet!
>>>>> Read the thermometers before the light is turned on.
>>>>> Turn on their light and record the start time.
>>>>> Read the temperature of both thermometers every two minutes. Which
>>>>> warms
>>>>> faster: the thermometer under white ice or the one under dark ocean?
>>>>> Check out more icy science:
>>>>>
>>>>> Types of Ice
>>>>> Climate and Ice
>>>>> Melting Arctic Sea Ice and Ocean Circulation
>>>>> Compare Arctic Sea Ice Extent
>>>>> A classroom version of the activity above: Looking into Surface Albedo
>>>>>
>>>>> https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/climate-change-impacts/sea-ice-and-
>>>>> heat-vicious-cycle
>>>>
>>>> Yebbut how do you explain the next Ice Age?
>>>
>>> **An ice age is ALWAYS preceded by falling temperatures.
>>>
>>> The average temperature of the planet is RISING.
>>>
>>> Therefore, we cannot expect to see an ice age anytime soon.
>>
>> But there will eventually BE one.
>
> **There MIGHT be an ice age. Or not. All present evidence suggests that
> there is no ice age in our future.

Bullshit.

Well, I'm sure we will all be dead before then... but unless humanity dies
out.. we will eventually have to deal with it.

>Again: An ice age is ALWAYS preceded by falling temperatures. We are
>experiencing RISING temperatures. Zero chance of an ice age.

Actually they are already calling for the next glacial period. See.. once
you understand a cycle you can predict in general what the cycle will be
anywhere along the cycle.

Further if science were to agree with you then global temperatures would be
predicted to ALWAYS increase...

On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 11:41:46 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
>"KKKernal Corn" <vet@invalid.com> wrote in message
>news:im84rhh7fv3vigtgplrbfnb84b1159b84f@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 10:40:35 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2/01/2023 8:47 am, KKKernal Corn wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 21:27:37 -0000 (UTC), Lars <lars@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Melting sea ice has only a minor impact on sea level rise because the
>>>>> ice
>>>>> is already in the ocean, but it does cause major changes to the planet.
>>>>> When sea ice melts, more sunlight is absorbed by the Earth, which
>>>>> causes
>>>>> more warming.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a vicious cycle. And here's how it works:
>>>>>
>>>>> When solar radiation hits snow and ice, approximately 90% of it is
>>>>> reflected back out to space. As global warming causes more snow and ice
>>>>> to
>>>>> melt each summer, the ocean underneath the ice is exposed. The dark
>>>>> color
>>>>> of ocean absorbs more incoming solar radiation, reflecting less back
>>>>> out
>>>>> to space. In this way, melting ice causes more warming and so more ice
>>>>> melts. This is known as a feedback. According to a recent scientific
>>>>> study
>>>>> that used computer models to predict the future of Arctic sea ice,
>>>>> there
>>>>> may be no more sea ice left in the Arctic Ocean during summer within
>>>>> the
>>>>> next few decades
>>>>>
>>>>> You can make a simple model that shows how the color of ice and water
>>>>> impacts temperature.
>>>>>
>>>>> What you need:
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 thermometers
>>>>> A photo of what sea ice and ocean look like from a satellite (like this
>>>>> one from the NASA Earth Observatory)
>>>>> Tape
>>>>> Watch or stopwatch
>>>>> A lamp with a 75-100 watt incandescent bulb (or sunshine)
>>>>>
>>>>> What you do:
>>>>>
>>>>> Fix thermometers to the back of the picture using tape. One thermometer
>>>>> bulb should be under ice and the other under ocean. Place the
>>>>> thermometers
>>>>> so that when you lay the picture down on a table, they are right side
>>>>> up
>>>>> and can be read.
>>>>> Place the light about a foot above the picture. Don't turn it on yet!
>>>>> Read the thermometers before the light is turned on.
>>>>> Turn on their light and record the start time.
>>>>> Read the temperature of both thermometers every two minutes. Which
>>>>> warms
>>>>> faster: the thermometer under white ice or the one under dark ocean?
>>>>> Check out more icy science:
>>>>>
>>>>> Types of Ice
>>>>> Climate and Ice
>>>>> Melting Arctic Sea Ice and Ocean Circulation
>>>>> Compare Arctic Sea Ice Extent
>>>>> A classroom version of the activity above: Looking into Surface Albedo
>>>>>
>>>>> https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/climate-change-impacts/sea-ice-and-
>>>>> heat-vicious-cycle
>>>>
>>>> Yebbut how do you explain the next Ice Age?
>>>
>>>**An ice age is ALWAYS preceded by falling temperatures.
>>>
>>>The average temperature of the planet is RISING.
>>>
>>>Therefore, we cannot expect to see an ice age anytime soon.
>>
>> But there will eventually BE one.
>
>Actually looking at the historical record.. the next glacial period can be
>expected at any time.. indeed.. global warming could be the trigger for a
>glacial period.

Quite so. Latitudes in the Northern Hemisphere which are now temperate
were tropical before the last Ice Age. Then something happened.

On 3/01/2023 3:45 am, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
> news:k1enmlFdli8U1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 2/01/2023 11:19 am, KKKernal Corn wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 10:40:35 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/01/2023 8:47 am, KKKernal Corn wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 21:27:37 -0000 (UTC), Lars <lars@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Melting sea ice has only a minor impact on sea level rise because
>>>>>> the ice
>>>>>> is already in the ocean, but it does cause major changes to the
>>>>>> planet.
>>>>>> When sea ice melts, more sunlight is absorbed by the Earth, which
>>>>>> causes
>>>>>> more warming.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It’s a vicious cycle.  And here’s how it works:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When solar radiation hits snow and ice, approximately 90% of it is
>>>>>> reflected back out to space. As global warming causes more snow
>>>>>> and ice to
>>>>>> melt each summer, the ocean underneath the ice is exposed. The
>>>>>> dark color
>>>>>> of ocean absorbs more incoming solar radiation, reflecting less
>>>>>> back out
>>>>>> to space. In this way, melting ice causes more warming and so more
>>>>>> ice
>>>>>> melts. This is known as a feedback. According to a recent
>>>>>> scientific study
>>>>>> that used computer models to predict the future of Arctic sea ice,
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> may be no more sea ice left in the Arctic Ocean during summer
>>>>>> within the
>>>>>> next few decades
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can make a simple model that shows how the color of ice and water
>>>>>> impacts temperature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What you need:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2 thermometers
>>>>>> A photo of what sea ice and ocean look like from a satellite (like
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> one from the NASA Earth Observatory)
>>>>>> Tape
>>>>>> Watch or stopwatch
>>>>>> A lamp with a 75-100 watt incandescent bulb (or sunshine)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What you do:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fix thermometers to the back of the picture using tape. One
>>>>>> thermometer
>>>>>> bulb should be under ice and the other under ocean. Place the
>>>>>> thermometers
>>>>>> so that when you lay the picture down on a table, they are right
>>>>>> side up
>>>>>> and can be read.
>>>>>> Place the light about a foot above the picture. Don’t turn it on yet!
>>>>>> Read the thermometers before the light is turned on.
>>>>>> Turn on their light and record the start time.
>>>>>> Read the temperature of both thermometers every two minutes. Which
>>>>>> warms
>>>>>> faster: the thermometer under white ice or the one under dark ocean?
>>>>>> Check out more icy science:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Types of Ice
>>>>>> Climate and Ice
>>>>>> Melting Arctic Sea Ice and Ocean Circulation
>>>>>> Compare Arctic Sea Ice Extent
>>>>>> A classroom version of the activity above: Looking into Surface
>>>>>> Albedo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/climate-change-impacts/sea-ice-and-
>>>>>> heat-vicious-cycle
>>>>>
>>>>> Yebbut how do you explain the next Ice Age?
>>>>
>>>> **An ice age is ALWAYS preceded by falling temperatures.
>>>>
>>>> The average temperature of the planet is RISING.
>>>>
>>>> Therefore, we cannot expect to see an ice age anytime soon.
>>>
>>> But there will eventually BE one.
>>
>> **There MIGHT be an ice age. Or not. All present evidence suggests
>> that there is no ice age in our future.
>
> Bullshit.

**Another scientific genius steps up. This should be good.

>
> Well, I'm sure we will all be dead before then... but unless humanity
> dies out.. we will eventually have to deal with it.

**How will an ice age occur, whilst temperatures are RISING?

Take your time and explain in full. Use all your scientific knowledge (LOL).

>
>
>> Again: An ice age is ALWAYS preceded by falling temperatures. We are
>> experiencing RISING temperatures. Zero chance of an ice age.
>
> Actually they are already calling for the next glacial period.

**Are 'they'?

Who is 'they'?

When will this 'next glacial period' occur?

How will this 'next glacial period occur' whilst temperatures are rising?

See..
> once you understand a cycle you can predict in general what the cycle
> will be anywhere along the cycle.

**Once YOU understand that when extra inputs are added to a "cycle",
then that "cycle" no longer works as predicted. Additionally, no one
knows is such a "cycle" actually exists. There is insufficient data to
determine that cycles exist.

>
> Further if science were to agree with you then global temperatures would
> be predicted to ALWAYS increase...

**If CO2 levels continue to increase, then that is precisely what will
occur.

I suggest you examine the examples of the planets Mercury and Venus.
Venus receives approximately 1/4 the amount of Solar radiation, compared
to Mercury. The HOTTEST place on Mercury is cooler than the coldest
place on Venus. The reason?

A: CO2.

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On 3/01/2023 3:41 am, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "KKKernal Corn" <vet@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:im84rhh7fv3vigtgplrbfnb84b1159b84f@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 10:40:35 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/01/2023 8:47 am, KKKernal Corn wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 21:27:37 -0000 (UTC), Lars <lars@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Melting sea ice has only a minor impact on sea level rise because
>>>>> the ice
>>>>> is already in the ocean, but it does cause major changes to the
>>>>> planet.
>>>>> When sea ice melts, more sunlight is absorbed by the Earth, which
>>>>> causes
>>>>> more warming.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a vicious cycle.  And here's how it works:
>>>>>
>>>>> When solar radiation hits snow and ice, approximately 90% of it is
>>>>> reflected back out to space. As global warming causes more snow and
>>>>> ice to
>>>>> melt each summer, the ocean underneath the ice is exposed. The dark
>>>>> color
>>>>> of ocean absorbs more incoming solar radiation, reflecting less
>>>>> back out
>>>>> to space. In this way, melting ice causes more warming and so more ice
>>>>> melts. This is known as a feedback. According to a recent
>>>>> scientific study
>>>>> that used computer models to predict the future of Arctic sea ice,
>>>>> there
>>>>> may be no more sea ice left in the Arctic Ocean during summer
>>>>> within the
>>>>> next few decades
>>>>>
>>>>> You can make a simple model that shows how the color of ice and water
>>>>> impacts temperature.
>>>>>
>>>>> What you need:
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 thermometers
>>>>> A photo of what sea ice and ocean look like from a satellite (like
>>>>> this
>>>>> one from the NASA Earth Observatory)
>>>>> Tape
>>>>> Watch or stopwatch
>>>>> A lamp with a 75-100 watt incandescent bulb (or sunshine)
>>>>>
>>>>> What you do:
>>>>>
>>>>> Fix thermometers to the back of the picture using tape. One
>>>>> thermometer
>>>>> bulb should be under ice and the other under ocean. Place the
>>>>> thermometers
>>>>> so that when you lay the picture down on a table, they are right
>>>>> side up
>>>>> and can be read.
>>>>> Place the light about a foot above the picture. Don't turn it on yet!
>>>>> Read the thermometers before the light is turned on.
>>>>> Turn on their light and record the start time.
>>>>> Read the temperature of both thermometers every two minutes. Which
>>>>> warms
>>>>> faster: the thermometer under white ice or the one under dark ocean?
>>>>> Check out more icy science:
>>>>>
>>>>> Types of Ice
>>>>> Climate and Ice
>>>>> Melting Arctic Sea Ice and Ocean Circulation
>>>>> Compare Arctic Sea Ice Extent
>>>>> A classroom version of the activity above: Looking into Surface Albedo
>>>>>
>>>>> https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/climate-change-impacts/sea-ice-and-
>>>>> heat-vicious-cycle
>>>>
>>>> Yebbut how do you explain the next Ice Age?
>>>
>>> **An ice age is ALWAYS preceded by falling temperatures.
>>>
>>> The average temperature of the planet is RISING.
>>>
>>> Therefore, we cannot expect to see an ice age anytime soon.
>>
>> But there will eventually BE one.
>
> Actually looking at the historical record.. the next glacial period can
> be expected at any time.. indeed.. global warming could be the trigger
> for a glacial period.

**Nonsense. You can't have a glaciation, whilst temperatures are rising.

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On 3/01/2023 3:40 am, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
> news:k1ejvkFcpsqU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 2/01/2023 8:47 am, KKKernal Corn wrote:
>>> On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 21:27:37 -0000 (UTC), Lars <lars@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Melting sea ice has only a minor impact on sea level rise because
>>>> the ice
>>>> is already in the ocean, but it does cause major changes to the planet.
>>>> When sea ice melts, more sunlight is absorbed by the Earth, which
>>>> causes
>>>> more warming.
>>>>
>>>> It’s a vicious cycle.  And here’s how it works:
>>>>
>>>> When solar radiation hits snow and ice, approximately 90% of it is
>>>> reflected back out to space. As global warming causes more snow and
>>>> ice to
>>>> melt each summer, the ocean underneath the ice is exposed. The dark
>>>> color
>>>> of ocean absorbs more incoming solar radiation, reflecting less back
>>>> out
>>>> to space. In this way, melting ice causes more warming and so more ice
>>>> melts. This is known as a feedback. According to a recent scientific
>>>> study
>>>> that used computer models to predict the future of Arctic sea ice,
>>>> there
>>>> may be no more sea ice left in the Arctic Ocean during summer within
>>>> the
>>>> next few decades
>>>>
>>>> You can make a simple model that shows how the color of ice and water
>>>> impacts temperature.
>>>>
>>>> What you need:
>>>>
>>>> 2 thermometers
>>>> A photo of what sea ice and ocean look like from a satellite (like this
>>>> one from the NASA Earth Observatory)
>>>> Tape
>>>> Watch or stopwatch
>>>> A lamp with a 75-100 watt incandescent bulb (or sunshine)
>>>>
>>>> What you do:
>>>>
>>>> Fix thermometers to the back of the picture using tape. One thermometer
>>>> bulb should be under ice and the other under ocean. Place the
>>>> thermometers
>>>> so that when you lay the picture down on a table, they are right
>>>> side up
>>>> and can be read.
>>>> Place the light about a foot above the picture. Don’t turn it on yet!
>>>> Read the thermometers before the light is turned on.
>>>> Turn on their light and record the start time.
>>>> Read the temperature of both thermometers every two minutes. Which
>>>> warms
>>>> faster: the thermometer under white ice or the one under dark ocean?
>>>> Check out more icy science:
>>>>
>>>> Types of Ice
>>>> Climate and Ice
>>>> Melting Arctic Sea Ice and Ocean Circulation
>>>> Compare Arctic Sea Ice Extent
>>>> A classroom version of the activity above: Looking into Surface Albedo
>>>>
>>>> https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/climate-change-impacts/sea-ice-and-
>>>> heat-vicious-cycle
>>>
>>> Yebbut how do you explain the next Ice Age?
>>
>> **An ice age is ALWAYS preceded by falling temperatures.
>>
>> The average temperature of the planet is RISING.
>
> Yep, temperatures go up.. until suddenly they start going down.

**What causes temperatures to go down?

.. that's
> why it's called a 'cycle'

**Here's the thing:

There is insufficient data to suggest that these "cycles" you speak of
exist. They may, or may not. Even if they do, then it is more likely
that humans have pushed any such "cycle" beyond critical point where the
cycle can remain constant.

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On 3/01/2023 3:37 am, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Lars" <lars@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:tosts9$33c2t$1@news.mixmin.net...
>> Melting sea ice has only a minor impact on sea level rise because the ice
>> is already in the ocean, but it does cause major changes to the planet.
>> When sea ice melts, more sunlight is absorbed by the Earth, which causes
>> more warming.
>>
>> It's a vicious cycle.  And here's how it works:
>>
>> When solar radiation hits snow and ice, approximately 90% of it is
>> reflected back out to space. As global warming causes more snow and
>> ice to
>> melt each summer, the ocean underneath the ice is exposed.
>
> IOW, it's part of a normal cycle...

**You keep blathering on about these "cycles" as if you know what you're
talking about. You don't. We don't know for certain if the "cycles"
exist and, if they do, it is almost certain that humans have interfered
with them anyway.

>
> Meanwhile, we're told that solar energy is the solution even though a
> solar panel absorbs about 95% of the light that impacts it and only
> reflects about 5%...

**As do roads, dark house roofs, etc, etc. Here's the thing though: A
fair amount of that energy hitting Solar PV panels is converted to
another form (aka: Electricity).

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On 3/01/2023 3:19 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jan 2023 20:32:21 +1100, Trevor Wilson
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 2/01/2023 7:40 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Mon, 02 Jan 2023 15:29:58 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/01/2023 12:49 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 02 Jan 2023 11:44:04 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/01/2023 11:19 am, KKKernal Corn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 10:40:35 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>>>>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/01/2023 8:47 am, KKKernal Corn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 21:27:37 -0000 (UTC), Lars <lars@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Melting sea ice has only a minor impact on sea level rise
>>>>>>>>>> because the ice
>>>>>>>>>> is already in the ocean, but it does cause major changes to
>>>>>>>>>> the planet.
>>>>>>>>>> When sea ice melts, more sunlight is absorbed by the Earth,
>>>>>>>>>> which causes
>>>>>>>>>> more warming.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It’s a vicious cycle.  And here’s how it works:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When solar radiation hits snow and ice, approximately 90% of
>>>>>>>>>> it is
>>>>>>>>>> reflected back out to space. As global warming causes more
>>>>>>>>>> snow and ice to
>>>>>>>>>> melt each summer, the ocean underneath the ice is exposed. The
>>>>>>>>>> dark color
>>>>>>>>>> of ocean absorbs more incoming solar radiation, reflecting
>>>>>>>>>> less back out
>>>>>>>>>> to space. In this way, melting ice causes more warming and so
>>>>>>>>>> more ice
>>>>>>>>>> melts. This is known as a feedback. According to a recent
>>>>>>>>>> scientific study
>>>>>>>>>> that used computer models to predict the future of Arctic sea
>>>>>>>>>> ice, there
>>>>>>>>>> may be no more sea ice left in the Arctic Ocean during summer
>>>>>>>>>> within the
>>>>>>>>>> next few decades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can make a simple model that shows how the color of ice
>>>>>>>>>> and water
>>>>>>>>>> impacts temperature.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What you need:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2 thermometers
>>>>>>>>>> A photo of what sea ice and ocean look like from a satellite
>>>>>>>>>> (like this
>>>>>>>>>> one from the NASA Earth Observatory)
>>>>>>>>>> Tape
>>>>>>>>>> Watch or stopwatch
>>>>>>>>>> A lamp with a 75-100 watt incandescent bulb (or sunshine)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What you do:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fix thermometers to the back of the picture using tape. One
>>>>>>>>>> thermometer
>>>>>>>>>> bulb should be under ice and the other under ocean. Place the
>>>>>>>>>> thermometers
>>>>>>>>>> so that when you lay the picture down on a table, they are
>>>>>>>>>> right side up
>>>>>>>>>> and can be read.
>>>>>>>>>> Place the light about a foot above the picture. Don’t turn it
>>>>>>>>>> on yet!
>>>>>>>>>> Read the thermometers before the light is turned on.
>>>>>>>>>> Turn on their light and record the start time.
>>>>>>>>>> Read the temperature of both thermometers every two minutes.
>>>>>>>>>> Which warms
>>>>>>>>>> faster: the thermometer under white ice or the one under dark
>>>>>>>>>> ocean?
>>>>>>>>>> Check out more icy science:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Types of Ice
>>>>>>>>>> Climate and Ice
>>>>>>>>>> Melting Arctic Sea Ice and Ocean Circulation
>>>>>>>>>> Compare Arctic Sea Ice Extent
>>>>>>>>>> A classroom version of the activity above: Looking into
>>>>>>>>>> Surface Albedo
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/climate-change-impacts/sea-ice-and-
>>>>>>>>>> heat-vicious-cycle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yebbut how do you explain the next Ice Age?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **An ice age is ALWAYS preceded by falling temperatures.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The average temperature of the planet is RISING.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Therefore, we cannot expect to see an ice age anytime soon.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  But there will eventually BE one.
>>>>>
>>>>>> There MIGHT be an ice age. Or not.
>>>>>  You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist fellas ?
>>>>>
>>>>>> All present evidence suggests that there is no ice age in our future.
>>>>>  That's just waffle. We don't actually know what
>>>>> produces ice ages
>>>
>>>> Bullshit. We know EXACTLY what causes an ice age - FALLING
>>>> temperatures and falling CO2 levels.
>
>>>  That's not the cause, that's the RESULT, fuckwit.
>
>> Prove it.
>
> Too obvious to need proving, fuckwit.

**Inability to prove your case. Claim rejected.

>
> Whatever produces an ice age cools things down
> initially only reducing temperatures, and eventually
> that sees fucking great sheets of ice, stupid.

**What causes an ice age?

>
> To substantiate your stupid line, you need to come
> up with what causes the initial drop in temperatures.

**Here's the thing: Temperatures are RISING. We need FALLING
temperatures to precipitate an ice age.

>
>
>>>> We are presently experiencing RISING temperatures
>
>>>  By sweet fuck all, just 0.5C
>
>> A rising average temperature is just that - RISING.
>
> By sweet fuck all, just 0.5C

**Still rising. Not falling.

>
>>>> and RISING CO2 levels.
>
>>>  It has been much higher previously, fuckwit.
>
>> When would that be? What was the average temperature?
>
> Look that up for yourself.

**Inability to prove your claim duly noted.

>
>>>> While those two things occur, there is zero chance of an ice age.
>
>>>  BULLSHIT
>
>> You cannot have an ice age, if temperatures are rising,
>
> But you can certainly have one when whatever causes an
> ice age happens again, you stupid pig ignorant clown.

**You can't have an ice age when temperatures are rising.

>
> And ALL the previous ice ages have seen a period of rising
> temps before they started dropping because of the ice age.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png

**And what caused the temperatures to fall?

>
>>>> It's just physics.
>
>>>  BULLSHIT
>
>>>> Falling temperatures = ice age.
>
>>>  Falling temps are the RESULT of the ice age, fuckwit.
>
>> Falling temperatures have preceded EVERY SINGLE ice age.
>
> And ALL the previous ice ages have seen a period of rising
> temps before they started dropping because of the ice age.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png

On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 06:10:06 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

>On 3/01/2023 3:40 am, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:k1ejvkFcpsqU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 2/01/2023 8:47 am, KKKernal Corn wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 21:27:37 -0000 (UTC), Lars <lars@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Melting sea ice has only a minor impact on sea level rise because
>>>>> the ice
>>>>> is already in the ocean, but it does cause major changes to the planet.
>>>>> When sea ice melts, more sunlight is absorbed by the Earth, which
>>>>> causes
>>>>> more warming.
>>>>>
>>>>> It’s a vicious cycle.  And here’s how it works:
>>>>>
>>>>> When solar radiation hits snow and ice, approximately 90% of it is
>>>>> reflected back out to space. As global warming causes more snow and
>>>>> ice to
>>>>> melt each summer, the ocean underneath the ice is exposed. The dark
>>>>> color
>>>>> of ocean absorbs more incoming solar radiation, reflecting less back
>>>>> out
>>>>> to space. In this way, melting ice causes more warming and so more ice
>>>>> melts. This is known as a feedback. According to a recent scientific
>>>>> study
>>>>> that used computer models to predict the future of Arctic sea ice,
>>>>> there
>>>>> may be no more sea ice left in the Arctic Ocean during summer within
>>>>> the
>>>>> next few decades
>>>>>
>>>>> You can make a simple model that shows how the color of ice and water
>>>>> impacts temperature.
>>>>>
>>>>> What you need:
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 thermometers
>>>>> A photo of what sea ice and ocean look like from a satellite (like this
>>>>> one from the NASA Earth Observatory)
>>>>> Tape
>>>>> Watch or stopwatch
>>>>> A lamp with a 75-100 watt incandescent bulb (or sunshine)
>>>>>
>>>>> What you do:
>>>>>
>>>>> Fix thermometers to the back of the picture using tape. One thermometer
>>>>> bulb should be under ice and the other under ocean. Place the
>>>>> thermometers
>>>>> so that when you lay the picture down on a table, they are right
>>>>> side up
>>>>> and can be read.
>>>>> Place the light about a foot above the picture. Don’t turn it on yet!
>>>>> Read the thermometers before the light is turned on.
>>>>> Turn on their light and record the start time.
>>>>> Read the temperature of both thermometers every two minutes. Which
>>>>> warms
>>>>> faster: the thermometer under white ice or the one under dark ocean?
>>>>> Check out more icy science:
>>>>>
>>>>> Types of Ice
>>>>> Climate and Ice
>>>>> Melting Arctic Sea Ice and Ocean Circulation
>>>>> Compare Arctic Sea Ice Extent
>>>>> A classroom version of the activity above: Looking into Surface Albedo
>>>>>
>>>>> https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/climate-change-impacts/sea-ice-and-
>>>>> heat-vicious-cycle
>>>>
>>>> Yebbut how do you explain the next Ice Age?
>>>
>>> **An ice age is ALWAYS preceded by falling temperatures.
>>>
>>> The average temperature of the planet is RISING.
>>
>> Yep, temperatures go up.. until suddenly they start going down.
>
>**What causes temperatures to go down?

An asteroid hitting the Earth would do it. Better still, a nuclear
war!

>. that's
>> why it's called a 'cycle'
>
>**Here's the thing:
>
>There is insufficient data to suggest that these "cycles" you speak of
>exist. They may, or may not.

They have, in the past.

><Even if they do, then it is more likely
>that humans have pushed any such "cycle" beyond critical point where the
>cycle can remain constant.

And where's YOUR evidence for this?

On Mon, 02 Jan 2023 19:46:32 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 02 Jan 2023 19:24:30 +1100, Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org>
>wrote:
>
>> Rod Speed wrote on 1/1/23 8:37 pm:
>>> On Sun, 01 Jan 2023 19:51:16 +1100, Daniel65
>>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 1/1/23 9:37 am:
>>>>> On Sun, 01 Jan 2023 08:40:07 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <Snip>
>>>>
>>>>>> Happy New Year Rod.
>>>>> Same to you.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cut down on the media chook food you swallow.
>>>>> Cut down on the stupid conspiracy theorys you gorge on.
>>>
>>>> I wouldn't mind so much IF IT WERE *OUR* MEDIA AND/OR GOVERNMENT
>
>>> He does that a bit with Albo and Whitlam getting sacked
>>> and the other terminal stupidity about our constitution
>>> only allowing xtian god botherers to be MPs and judges etc.
>
>> Oh!! Dear!! I see Petzl has responded to this post of yours, Rod!
>
>> I wonder what his rant will be .... NOT!!
>
>Yeah, absolutely guaranteed to just be a respewing of the endless
>mindless compiracy theory bullshit with the sacking of Whitlam.
>the stupid line about our constitution only allowing stupid Xtians
>to be MPs, judges etc when in fact is actually says the exact opposite.
>
>Presumably the result of rampant dementia.
>
So you saying Whitlam was not sacked by a constitutional Governor
General? Fact is it was the entire Federal parliament that was sack
and a replacement/takeover government was formed by Malcolm Fraser.
This only happens where treason was involved although not said.
Albo is following Whitlam's treason that had parliament sacked then.

Anthony Albanese is on the same path that Gough Whitlam had!
Removing ties to USA and Britain's orbit, moving towards that of the
Communist and Third World powers, with strong support for the Arab
lobby.

>>>> but why does Petzl have to recite all this Yank crap in aus.politics
>>>> (emphasis on the *aus* )
>
Australia play to the beat of the USA, so it's important to know who
Australia mindlessly follows.

The latest Covid China restrictions are following Biden's "thinking"
not our own medical advisors,
Just eat your food chook our media feeds you and obey.
The USA has control of the media where "our" media chook food is
sourced.
That also included social media, orders from FBI/CIA/NSA why you think
Julian Assange is still dying in prison for the crime of doing
journalism and virtually no journalist on the planet cares.

who in Australia has not had Twitter, FaceBook, Youtube etc, removed
The USA has also banned free elections, exactly what North Korea does
You don't question your media chook food though blindly believe it.
Some Questions about Biden corruption befor he was put in by the
CIA/FBI/NSA/DOJ

Probably won't eat something not media chook food.
Paradigm- Fraud allegations against Biden family
https://youtu.be/XS4gn_cJLRw

>>> Presumably because the yank media has a lot more of it than ours does.
>
>>>> Maybe Petzl could have made that his New Years resolution!
>
>>> Then he would have nothing to talk about.
>
>>>> Happy New Year everyone!!
>
>>> Same to everyone, its been absolutely gloriouis
>>> weather here right thru from xmas eve to today.
>>> First decent sign of summer, very late this year.
--
Petzl
"What is the cost of lies? It’s not that we’ll mistake them for the truth.
The real danger is that if we hear enough lies,
then we no longer recognize the truth at all."

In alt.global-warming Wod Spud <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
....
> Still sweet fuck all in the scale seen with ice ages and so would
> be swamped by another ice age.

Tell that to the people losing their homes and businesses, nitwit.

--
<kaggle.com/kymhorsell1>

On 3/01/2023 7:12 am, KKKernal Corn wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 06:10:06 +1100, Trevor Wilson
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 3/01/2023 3:40 am, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:k1ejvkFcpsqU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 2/01/2023 8:47 am, KKKernal Corn wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 21:27:37 -0000 (UTC), Lars <lars@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Melting sea ice has only a minor impact on sea level rise because
>>>>>> the ice
>>>>>> is already in the ocean, but it does cause major changes to the planet.
>>>>>> When sea ice melts, more sunlight is absorbed by the Earth, which
>>>>>> causes
>>>>>> more warming.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It’s a vicious cycle.  And here’s how it works:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When solar radiation hits snow and ice, approximately 90% of it is
>>>>>> reflected back out to space. As global warming causes more snow and
>>>>>> ice to
>>>>>> melt each summer, the ocean underneath the ice is exposed. The dark
>>>>>> color
>>>>>> of ocean absorbs more incoming solar radiation, reflecting less back
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> to space. In this way, melting ice causes more warming and so more ice
>>>>>> melts. This is known as a feedback. According to a recent scientific
>>>>>> study
>>>>>> that used computer models to predict the future of Arctic sea ice,
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> may be no more sea ice left in the Arctic Ocean during summer within
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> next few decades
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can make a simple model that shows how the color of ice and water
>>>>>> impacts temperature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What you need:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2 thermometers
>>>>>> A photo of what sea ice and ocean look like from a satellite (like this
>>>>>> one from the NASA Earth Observatory)
>>>>>> Tape
>>>>>> Watch or stopwatch
>>>>>> A lamp with a 75-100 watt incandescent bulb (or sunshine)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What you do:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fix thermometers to the back of the picture using tape. One thermometer
>>>>>> bulb should be under ice and the other under ocean. Place the
>>>>>> thermometers
>>>>>> so that when you lay the picture down on a table, they are right
>>>>>> side up
>>>>>> and can be read.
>>>>>> Place the light about a foot above the picture. Don’t turn it on yet!
>>>>>> Read the thermometers before the light is turned on.
>>>>>> Turn on their light and record the start time.
>>>>>> Read the temperature of both thermometers every two minutes. Which
>>>>>> warms
>>>>>> faster: the thermometer under white ice or the one under dark ocean?
>>>>>> Check out more icy science:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Types of Ice
>>>>>> Climate and Ice
>>>>>> Melting Arctic Sea Ice and Ocean Circulation
>>>>>> Compare Arctic Sea Ice Extent
>>>>>> A classroom version of the activity above: Looking into Surface Albedo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/climate-change-impacts/sea-ice-and-
>>>>>> heat-vicious-cycle
>>>>>
>>>>> Yebbut how do you explain the next Ice Age?
>>>>
>>>> **An ice age is ALWAYS preceded by falling temperatures.
>>>>
>>>> The average temperature of the planet is RISING.
>>>
>>> Yep, temperatures go up.. until suddenly they start going down.
>>
>> **What causes temperatures to go down?
>
> An asteroid hitting the Earth would do it. Better still, a nuclear
> war!

**Those are possibilities.

>
>> . that's
>>> why it's called a 'cycle'
>>
>> **Here's the thing:
>>
>> There is insufficient data to suggest that these "cycles" you speak of
>> exist. They may, or may not.
>
> They have, in the past.

**Points:

* We don't know if glaciations are cyclical or not.
* The regularity of glaciations is highly variable (+/- 50kyr).
* The history of this planet stretches to around 4.5 billion years. The
history of glacial periods is less than 1 million years.
* We need a great deal more information to determine if there is a
cyclical nature to glaciations.

>
>> <Even if they do, then it is more likely
>> that humans have pushed any such "cycle" beyond critical point where the
>> cycle can remain constant.
>
> And where's YOUR evidence for this?

**The present warming trend. IF there is a cyclical nature to
glaciations, as many believe, then we should be experiencing falling
temperatures right now. However, the opposite is occurring.

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In news:tot6kg$1hnbp$1@dont-email.me, Fran
<gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com> typed:

> On 2/01/2023 9:51 am, �rd�g wrote:

>> *This Is Why Right-wing Christianity Is An Atheism Factory*
>> /The Young Turks, 5.3M subscribers, 80,691 views 2 Jan 2023/
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmeepecbSOo

>> "Crazy right-wing pastor shares his INSANE conspiracy theories."
>> ***
>> ~~~ ~~~

>> These are all pretend Xtians...that is their perfect description.
>> Wouldn't you agree, Petz dear? :-P

>> This crap is fully like slowly and helplessly drowning in a cesspit
>> ...so atheism is synonymous to coming up for some life saving fresh air
>> and reaching for healthier social/mental state.

> I keep wondering why, of all the modern western countries, the USA keeps
> producing such a huge number of these wack jobs.

1) The press thinks they're entertaining;
2) The U.S. Constitution recognises freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 10:57:01 +1100, Fran
<gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
wrote:

>On 2/01/2023 9:51 am, Ördög wrote:
>> *This Is Why Right-wing Christianity Is An Atheism Factory*
>> /The Young Turks, 5.3M subscribers, 80,691 views  2 Jan 2023/
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmeepecbSOo>
>>
>> "Crazy right-wing pastor shares his INSANE conspiracy theories."
>> ***
>> ~~~    ~~~
>>
>> These are all pretend Xtians...that is their perfect description.
>> Wouldn't you agree, Petz dear?  :-P
>>
>> This crap is fully like slowly and helplessly drowning in a cesspit
>> ...so atheism is synonymous to coming up for some life saving fresh air
>> and reaching for healthier social/mental state.
>
>I keep wondering why, of all the modern western countries, the USA keeps
>producing such a huge number of these wack jobs.

The reasons are:

1/ The virtual elimination of tariffs has produced hordes of
unemployed and under-employed. Instead of tariff reduction
encouraging investment in production, it has stimulated speculation.

2/ The vast production of corn syrup and the fructose derived there
from has poisoned a whole two generations of children in to becoming
fat diabetics, with probable mental deficits.

3/ A Little Learning is a Dangerous Thing. Nothing so demonstrates
this than the Technicolor media, especially mobile gadgets, all
selectively reporting on important matters, and giving voice to
barking mad clerics and venal politicians.

4/ The curious and religious obsessions with the rantings of that vile
heresiarch J.M.Keynes, who discouraged thrift and promoted handouts
and bailouts. All very essential in select circumstances, but no claw
back and end-of-life provisions instituted. Raising interest rates?
They're just costed in and passed on.

5/ Being ruled by yesterday's men. A prime example of which is that
flaccid old kicked-upstairs fuck Greenspan in charge of the financial
interregnum which produced the dot.com bubble, the mortgage disaster,
various stockmarket crashes, and Teflon banksters!

Having lost the economic war to China, is it any wonder they're all
following the latest snake-oiler?

In alt.global-warming Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
....
>> Actually they are already calling for the next glacial period.
> **Are 'they'?
> Who is 'they'?
> When will this 'next glacial period' occur?
> How will this 'next glacial period occur' whilst temperatures are rising?
....

As you say somewhere else, the earth was headed back into the next
glacial cycle until something happened in the 19th cent.
That something seemed to put carbon into the atm with zero C14, low C13
isotopes. I.e. something that had been out of contact with the biosphere
for millions of years yet had once been alive. The decline in C14 and C13
we see in atm CO2 and CH4 exactly seems to match the amount of fossil
fuels we have been burning -- now ~10 GtC per year.

Among many kinds of evidence we've gathered since the greenhouse effect
was discovered 200y ago, are changes to global tree ring spacing over the
past 5000y.

I assembled the available datasets and did some corrections for
various biases (e.g. some datasets run for only certain years and they
all come from different latitudes and species of trees).

Here is the summary plot:
<http://kym.massbus.org/ecology/treeringshomog.gif>

The "raw data" that are so beloved by hillbillies that dont like
"messin widda nummas" looks much the same but more:

<http://kym.massbus.org/ecology/treerings.gif>

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