Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> KKKernal Corn wrote

>> You don't even realiise that there's an Ice Age coming!

> What evidence do you magically possess to suggest that an ice age is
> coming, despite the fact that average temperatures are rising.

They always have when they start falling again after they have
risen by much more than the 1C we are currently seeing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png

Nothing magical about it.

> I assume you are aware that an ice age is impossible if temperatures are
> rising?

But isnt when it stops rising and starts falling, as it has before
every single ice age in the past, fuckwit.

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On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 10:44:21 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

>On 4/01/2023 10:24 am, Petzl wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 09:30:55 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> **I am not alone. ALL the planet's climate scientists agree that human
>>> release of CO2 has caused the planet to warm. Only drug addled morons
>>> like you, dispute the science.
>>>
>> Not ALL the climate scientists do agree,
>
>
>**Liar. Every single climate scientist agrees that humans have caused
>the present warming trend.

You like the true lying commie you are hide!
un-snip Trevor's religious snipping
Not ALL the climate scientists do agree, those actual that don't
believe in the climate rhetoric are put on black lists!
<https://saltbushclub.com/2019/08/18/black-list-of-climate-sceptics/>
From article
2019 link of 386 REAL climate scientists banned by CIA media chook
food control.
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On 3/01/2023 8:41 pm, Joe wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 19:43:29 +1100
> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> Can't either of you idiots trim?
>
>>>
>>>>>> * I said that an ice age is impossible, whilst temperatures are
>>>>>> rising.
>>>
>>>>>  And stupidly claimed that temperatures will continue to rise.
>>>
>>>> And, unless CO2 emissions are reduced and CO2 extractedfrom the
>>>> atmosphere, that is precisely what will happen.
>>>
>>> How odd that it didn't when the CO2 and temperatures were
>>> much higher than they are now when CO2 emissions were
>>> not reduced and CO2 was not extracted from the  atmosphere,
>>
>> **When were CO2 levels and temperatures higher than today?
>>
>>>
>>>> It's basic science.
>>>
>>> So is the fact that that didn't when the CO2 and temperatures
>>> were much higher than they are now when CO2 emissions were
>>> not reduced and CO2 was not extracted from the  atmosphere,
>>
>> **When were CO2 levels and temperatures higher than today?
>>
>
> https://helios-i.mashable.com/imagery/articles/04ydR8YmP8QDFQwmtJRGnyU/images-6.fill.size_2000x1820.v1623362063.png
>
> The positive feedback element of the global warming *hypothesis*, not
> theory,

Nah, it's moved beyond that to be a theory.

On 4/01/2023 11:22 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>
>> Ice core data represents the best proxy data we have for climate
>> information going back almost 1 million years.
>
> And yet you stupidly ignore the FACT that that shows ice age cycles

**I do not, nor have I ever ignored ice age evidence.

> and lie that we don't have the data on ice age cycles when we do.

**Liar. I do not, nor have I ever ignored ice age evidence.

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On 4/01/2023 11:34 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>> KKKernal Corn wrote
>
>>>  You don't even realiise that there's an Ice Age coming!
>
>> What evidence do you magically possess to suggest that an ice age is
>> coming, despite the fact that average temperatures are rising.
>
> They always have when they start falling again after they have
> risen by much more than the 1C we are currently seeing.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png
>
> Nothing magical about it.

**Except that temperatures are RISING you moron. You don't get an ice
age, when temperatures are rising.

>
>> I assume you are aware that an ice age is impossible if temperatures
>> are rising?
>
> But isnt when it stops rising and starts falling, as it has before
> every single ice age in the past, fuckwit.

**You are the moron claiming that we need to worry about an ice age, at
a time when temperatures are rising. Tell you what: When we get a few
decades of falling temperatures, get back on your hobby horse about ice
ages. Until then, shut the fuck up.

>
> <reams of your endlessly repeated pig ignorant shit flushed where it
> belongs>

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On 4/01/2023 11:13 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>> Joe wrote
>
> <reams of your shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
> belongs>
>
>> Ice core data tells us that sometimes, temperature rise precedes CO2
>> rise and sometimes it lags.
>
> Because they aren't as correlated as you have previously stupidly claimed.

**Bullshit. They are closely linked. When one goes up, the other follows.

>
>> RIGHT NOW, we are experiencing a period where CO2 rise is leading
>> temperature rise. I expect that may change when CO2 levels reach
>> approximately 500ppm.
>
> And you will discover that it doesn't when that happens.

**Why should we trust what you claim, given your complete lack of
climate science knowledge and experience, coupled with a clear inability
to understand basic science?

IOW: Why listen to a cretin like you, when the climate scientists tell
us the opposite of what you and you alone, claim?

>
>> At that point, we will see an increase in CO2 levels (and methane
>> levels), as the gases are released from oceans and Arctic regions.
>> Then, of course, temperature levels will increase further. Then
>> CO2/methane levels and process repeats.
>
> We'll see, and even it it does, that will not see a climate
> catastrophe as you have previously stupidly claimed.

**Prove it.

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On 4/01/2023 11:15 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>
> <reams of your endless repetition flushed where it belongs>

**WHEN were CO2 levels and temperatures higher than today?

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Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

>>> Ice core data represents the best proxy data we have for climate
>>> information going back almost 1 million years.

>> And yet you stupidly ignore the FACT that that shows ice age cycles

> I do not, nor have I ever ignored ice age evidence.

You clearly did with the ice age CYCLES, you silly little pathological
liar.

>> and lie that we don't have the data on ice age cycles when we do.

You clearly did with the ice age CYCLES, you silly little pathological
liar.

Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>> KKKernal Corn wrote

>>>> You don't even realiise that there's an Ice Age coming!

>>> What evidence do you magically possess to suggest that an ice age is
>>> coming, despite the fact that average temperatures are rising.

>> They always have when they start falling again after they have
>> risen by much more than the 1C we are currently seeing.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png

>> Nothing magical about it.

> Except that temperatures are RISING

They always have then they start falling again after they have
risen by much more than the 1C we are currently seeing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png

> You don't get an ice age, when temperatures are rising.

But you do when the temperatures start falling again, later, fuckwit.

And they ALWAYS have.

>>> I assume you are aware that an ice age is impossible if temperatures
>>> are rising?

>> But isnt when it stops rising and starts falling, as it has before
>> every single ice age in the past, fuckwit.

> You are the moron claiming that we need to worry about an ice age,

I never did, you silly little pathological liar. I JUST said that
your stupid claim that we won't seen another ice age because
temperatures are rising is just more of your pig ignorant stupidity.

> at a time when temperatures are rising.

But they ALWAYS stop rising and start falling and we ALWAYS
get another ice age.

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Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>> Joe wrote

>> <reams of your shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where
>> it belongs>

>>> Ice core data tells us that sometimes, temperature rise precedes CO2
>>> rise and sometimes it lags.

>> Because they aren't as correlated as you have previously stupidly
>> claimed.

> Bullshit. They are closely linked. When one goes up, the other follows.

Pathetic.

>>> RIGHT NOW, we are experiencing a period where CO2 rise is leading
>>> temperature rise. I expect that may change when CO2 levels reach
>>> approximately 500ppm.

>> And you will discover that it doesn't when that happens.

<reams of your endlessly repeated shit flushed where it belongs>

>>> At that point, we will see an increase in CO2 levels (and methane
>>> levels), as the gases are released from oceans and Arctic regions.
>>> Then, of course, temperature levels will increase further. Then
>>> CO2/methane levels and process repeats.

>> We'll see, and even it it does, that will not see a climate
>> catastrophe as you have previously stupidly claimed.

> Prove it.

YOU made that stupid claim.

YOU get to do the proving.

THATS how it works.

Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

<reams of your endless repetition flushed where it belongs>

In alt.global-warming Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> <reams of your endless repetition flushed where it belongs>

In the "too hard basket", right?

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R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>> Joe wrote

>>> Ice core data tells us that sometimes, temperature rise precedes CO2
>>> rise and sometimes it lags.

>> Because they aren't as correlated as you have previously stupidly
>> claimed.

> If you plot CO2 by temperature you get a closeline or slight curve.

Your stupid bum chum just claimed the exact opposite, fuckwit child.

> I.e. high correlation visible by eye.

> <kym.massbus.org/Vostok2> shows the curve from 1/4 mn years of data at
> the bottom.

Tell your stupid bum chum.

On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 15:15:20 +1100, R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com>
wrote:

> In alt.global-warming Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 07:53:03 +1100, R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com>
>> wrote:
>>> In alt.global-warming Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 05:07:41 +1100, R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> In alt.global-warming Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 03 Jan 2023 20:10:00 +1100, R Kym Horsell
>>>>>> <kym@kymhorsell.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> In alt.global-warming Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 03 Jan 2023 18:52:44 +1100, R Kym Horsell
>>>>>>>> <kym@kymhorsell.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> So Wilson's mindless hyperventilation is just that.
>>>>>>> You're projecting again.
>>>>>> You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
>>>>>> I have never ever hyperventilated about anything at
>>>>>> all, ever, you pathetic excuse for a lying bullshit artist.
>>>>> Sounds like you're caught in a projection loop again.

>>>> You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

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In alt.global-warming Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>> Joe wrote
>>>> Ice core data tells us that sometimes, temperature rise precedes CO2
>>>> rise and sometimes it lags.
>>> Because they aren't as correlated as you have previously stupidly
>>> claimed.
>> If you plot CO2 by temperature you get a closeline or slight curve.
> Your stupid bum chum just claimed the exact opposite, fuckwit child.
....

Poor nitwit. You seem to be confusing cycles of temperature and cycles of
CO2 with the correlation between temperature and CO2.

I.e. CO2 is a roughly cyclic function of time, temp is roughly
cyclic function of time, but that is quite different from temp as a
function of CO2.

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....
> <reams of your shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
> belongs>

That too hard basket, right?

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On 4/01/2023 4:25 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>> KKKernal Corn wrote
>
>>>>>  You don't even realiise that there's an Ice Age coming!
>
>>>> What evidence do you magically possess to suggest that an ice age is
>>>> coming, despite the fact that average temperatures are rising.
>
>>>  They always have when they start falling again after they have
>>> risen by much more than the 1C we are currently seeing.
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png

**And once more: There is no need to worry about an ice age, until or
unless temperatures begin to fall. Since they are rising, we need to be
more concerned about the opposite of an ice age.

Again:

Rising temperatures = no ice age.
Falling temperatures = ice age (maybe).

>
>>>  Nothing magical about it.
>
>> Except that temperatures are RISING
>
> They always have then they start falling again after they have
> risen by much more than the 1C we are currently seeing.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png

**The graphs are historical. They do not reflect the conditions that
exist right now and they do not guarantee that temperatures will fall
anytime soon.

>
>> You don't get an ice  age, when temperatures are rising.
>
> But you do when the temperatures start falling again, later, fuckwit.

**You don't get an ice age when temperatures are rising. When/if
temperatures start to fall, then you can blather on about an ice age.

>
> And they ALWAYS have.

**Irrelevant.

>
>>>> I assume you are aware that an ice age is impossible if temperatures
>>>> are rising?
>
>>>  But isnt when it stops rising and starts falling, as it has before
>>> every single ice age in the past, fuckwit.
>
>> You are the moron claiming that we need to worry about an ice age,
>
> I never did, you silly little pathological liar.

**You sure did. You blather on about ice ages at every opportunity in
this thread.

I JUST said that
> your stupid claim that we won't seen another ice age because
> temperatures are rising is just more of your pig ignorant stupidity.

**You can't have an ice age when temperatures are rising. It is not
possible.

>
>> at a time when temperatures are rising.
>
> But they ALWAYS stop rising and start falling and we ALWAYS
> get another ice age.

**Again: Just because it happened in the past, when there weren't 8
billion people on the planet, does not mean it will happen again.

Remind me: What was the human population of the planet when the last ice
age hit? How much CO2 were they releasing each year? What was the CO2
concentration?

>
> <reams of your endlessly repeated pig ignorant shit flushed where it
> belongs>

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On 4/01/2023 4:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>
>>>> Ice core data represents the best proxy data we have for climate
>>>> information going back almost 1 million years.
>
>>>  And yet you stupidly ignore the FACT that that shows ice age cycles
>
>> I do not, nor have I ever ignored ice age evidence.
>
> You clearly did with the ice age CYCLES, you silly little pathological
> liar.

**Cite my words where I allegedly ignored ice age evidence.

>
>>> and lie that we don't have the data on ice age cycles when we do.
>
> You clearly did with the ice age CYCLES, you silly little pathological
> liar.

**Wrong. Get a 12 year old to explain what I did write. Your grasp of
plain English (like your grasp of basic science) is at the same level as
a 10 year old.

You should have stayed at school.

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On 4/01/2023 4:29 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>
>  <reams of your endless repetition flushed where it belongs>

**WHEN were CO2 levels and temperatures higher than today?

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On 4/01/2023 4:29 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>> Joe wrote
>
>>>  <reams of your shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed
>>> where it belongs>
>
>>>> Ice core data tells us that sometimes, temperature rise precedes CO2
>>>> rise and sometimes it lags.
>
>>>  Because they aren't as correlated as you have previously stupidly
>>> claimed.
>
>> Bullshit. They are closely linked. When one goes up, the other follows.
>
> Pathetic.

**"Pathetic"? It's a fact you boob.

>
>>>> RIGHT NOW, we are experiencing a period where CO2 rise is leading
>>>> temperature rise. I expect that may change when CO2 levels reach
>>>> approximately 500ppm.
>
>>>  And you will discover that it doesn't when that happens.
>
> <reams of your endlessly repeated shit flushed where it belongs>
>
>>>> At that point, we will see an increase in CO2 levels (and methane
>>>> levels), as the gases are released from oceans and Arctic regions.
>>>> Then, of course, temperature levels will increase further. Then
>>>> CO2/methane levels and process repeats.
>
>>>  We'll see, and even it it does, that will not see a climate
>>> catastrophe as you have previously stupidly claimed.
>
>> Prove it.
>
> YOU made that stupid claim.

**Actually, I did not. I merely repeated what the climate scientists
have told us.

>
> YOU get to do the proving.
>
> THATS how it works.

**How it works is that YOU need to learn some basic science, before
making an (bigger) idiot of yourself. Start here:

www.ipcc.ch

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In alt.global-warming Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
> On 4/01/2023 4:29 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>> <reams of your endless repetition flushed where it belongs>
> **WHEN were CO2 levels and temperatures higher than today?

For CO2 looks like 20+ million years. If we get to 2x 1850 CO2 then
that's 44 mn years.

Age pCO2
(Ma) (ppmv)
0.085 341 <-- modern humans after here
0.98 311
1.49 295
3 208 <-- early human ancestors start here
3.31 248
3.87 281
6 268
6.2 305
9.02 212
10.39 236
11.4 226
11.81 260
13.06 222
14.73 137
14.96 170
16.23 303
16.7 236
18.38 217
19.85 217
21.7 226
23 278
23.51 435 <-- higher than CO2 levels in 2022
40.12 1004 <-- approx levels if all known reserves of oil are burned
42.52 342
44.26 562
45.69 1041
46.07 2446
46.97 471
50.33 844
51.02 619
52.22 3515
53.24 1865
55.84 2930
57.12 2426
59.88 3560

(Pearson & Palmer 2003).

R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

>> <reams of your endless repetition flushed where it belongs>

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On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 16:49:46 +1100, R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com>
wrote:

> In alt.global-warming Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>>> Joe wrote
>>>>> Ice core data tells us that sometimes, temperature rise precedes CO2
>>>>> rise and sometimes it lags.
>>>> Because they aren't as correlated as you have previously stupidly
>>>> claimed.
>>> If you plot CO2 by temperature you get a closeline or slight curve.
>> Your stupid bum chum just claimed the exact opposite, fuckwit child.

<reams of your shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
belongs>

On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 16:51:09 +1100, R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com>
wrote:

> In alt.global-warming Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

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On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 16:54:19 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> On 4/01/2023 4:25 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>>> KKKernal Corn wrote

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