Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <2as10hlrbmtrjchcv340a1jjam90m7lp4o@4ax.com>, at 10:24:45 on
> Mon, 7 Feb 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked:
>
>>> Nobody knew the postcode of the carriage washing machine, and I'm not
>>> sure you'd find it in the Royal Mail database.
>>>
>> You possibly won't but it will be indicated on a postcode map which
>> now seem to be available only from third-party suppliers who have
>> bought the digital information from RM and/or OS.
>
> Really handy when someone has had an accident on-site and an ambulance
> needs to be summoned (and the call centre gets their knickers in a twist
> when you can't quote a postal address).
>
> Maybe it has a postcode now, but I once sent letter to "The Martello
> Tower, Aldeburgh", which no-one locally (let alone the postie) would be
> unaware of. Even if in those days they'd probably have to do the last
> couple of hundred yards on foot. https://goo.gl/maps/kXrMgD8M7Df6Uf15A
>

"Maybe it has a postcode now" - Google maps gives its postcode, if you'd
clicked on the tower itself rather than somewhere near it…

Anna Noyd-Dryver

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <pfl20hho005g8gj70esdb5d77hlqjpukjk@4ax.com>, at 17:27:55 on
> Mon, 7 Feb 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 16:37:05 +0000, ColinR
>> <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/02/2022 09:12, MB wrote:
>>>> On 07/02/2022 07:15, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>> Or non-existent; not all places have a postcode. I'm sure I've mentioned
>>>>> the carriage washing machine in the sidings outside Cambridge Station
>>>>> before.
>>>>
>>>> If it is location that does not receive post then the Postcode will be
>>>> one covering a large area.
>>>>
>>>> We had a contract that required us to visit and audit one of the mobile
>>>> phone companies' sites but all we were given was a Postcode and name. We
>>>> kept asking for NGRs but it took some time for them to let us have
>>>> them.  I think we convinced them after going to one site that was up in
>>>> the cloud some distance from the road so not visible and access not
>>>> obvious.
>>>>
>>>> I got Postcodes for all our own sites because some SatNavs use them and
>>>> it would get you to the rough area and I had written out directions as
>>>> well as copied a section of a large scale map.
>>>
>>> W3W does give a result of a small area (3m square?) when accurate. A
>>> postcode can give a larger area. In my case, my postcode covers the
>>> house 300 yards away to my west, but also the houses over 2 miles away
>>> to the south.
>>
>> One of its other big advantages is that the app can give you your
>> current W3W code, wherever in the world you are. It
>> can't tell you the postcode.
>>
>> So, wherever you break down, have an accident or get stuck, you can
>> soon notify others of your exact location.
>
> Unless you've broken down on the wrong one of A14 or Girton Road.
>
> https://goo.gl/maps/8t8A44Dex5JeXoaE7
>
> Hint: W3W doesn't do vertical layers.

So pick somewhere a few metres further along whichever road you're on.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

In message <sttjv8$tpo$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:25:28 on Tue, 8 Feb 2022,
Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <pfl20hho005g8gj70esdb5d77hlqjpukjk@4ax.com>, at 17:27:55 on
>> Mon, 7 Feb 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 16:37:05 +0000, ColinR
>>> <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 07/02/2022 09:12, MB wrote:
>>>>> On 07/02/2022 07:15, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>> Or non-existent; not all places have a postcode. I'm sure I've mentioned
>>>>>> the carriage washing machine in the sidings outside Cambridge Station
>>>>>> before.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it is location that does not receive post then the Postcode will be
>>>>> one covering a large area.
>>>>>
>>>>> We had a contract that required us to visit and audit one of the mobile
>>>>> phone companies' sites but all we were given was a Postcode and name. We
>>>>> kept asking for NGRs but it took some time for them to let us have
>>>>> them.  I think we convinced them after going to one site that was up in
>>>>> the cloud some distance from the road so not visible and access not
>>>>> obvious.
>>>>>
>>>>> I got Postcodes for all our own sites because some SatNavs use them and
>>>>> it would get you to the rough area and I had written out directions as
>>>>> well as copied a section of a large scale map.
>>>>
>>>> W3W does give a result of a small area (3m square?) when accurate. A
>>>> postcode can give a larger area. In my case, my postcode covers the
>>>> house 300 yards away to my west, but also the houses over 2 miles away
>>>> to the south.
>>>
>>> One of its other big advantages is that the app can give you your
>>> current W3W code, wherever in the world you are. It
>>> can't tell you the postcode.
>>>
>>> So, wherever you break down, have an accident or get stuck, you can
>>> soon notify others of your exact location.
>>
>> Unless you've broken down on the wrong one of A14 or Girton Road.
>>
>> https://goo.gl/maps/8t8A44Dex5JeXoaE7
>>
>> Hint: W3W doesn't do vertical layers.
>
>So pick somewhere a few metres further along whichever road you're on.

That's a strategy, but people need to know to deploy it. Rather han for
example hoping their phone knows how to.
--
Roland Perry

In message <stte94$nhl$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:48:20 on Tue, 8 Feb 2022,
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <pfl20hho005g8gj70esdb5d77hlqjpukjk@4ax.com>, at 17:27:55 on
>> Mon, 7 Feb 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 16:37:05 +0000, ColinR
>>> <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 07/02/2022 09:12, MB wrote:
>>>>> On 07/02/2022 07:15, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>> Or non-existent; not all places have a postcode. I'm sure I've mentioned
>>>>>> the carriage washing machine in the sidings outside Cambridge Station
>>>>>> before.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it is location that does not receive post then the Postcode will be
>>>>> one covering a large area.
>>>>>
>>>>> We had a contract that required us to visit and audit one of the mobile
>>>>> phone companies' sites but all we were given was a Postcode and name. We
>>>>> kept asking for NGRs but it took some time for them to let us have
>>>>> them.  I think we convinced them after going to one site that was up in
>>>>> the cloud some distance from the road so not visible and access not
>>>>> obvious.
>>>>>
>>>>> I got Postcodes for all our own sites because some SatNavs use them and
>>>>> it would get you to the rough area and I had written out directions as
>>>>> well as copied a section of a large scale map.
>>>>
>>>> W3W does give a result of a small area (3m square?) when accurate. A
>>>> postcode can give a larger area. In my case, my postcode covers the
>>>> house 300 yards away to my west, but also the houses over 2 miles away
>>>> to the south.
>>>
>>> One of its other big advantages is that the app can give you your
>>> current W3W code, wherever in the world you are. It
>>> can't tell you the postcode.
>>>
>>> So, wherever you break down, have an accident or get stuck, you can
>>> soon notify others of your exact location.
>>
>> Unless you've broken down on the wrong one of A14 or Girton Road.
>>
>> https://goo.gl/maps/8t8A44Dex5JeXoaE7
>>
>> Hint: W3W doesn't do vertical layers.
>
>I suppose there's that risk with any road bridge — there will be many along
>motorways and dual carriageways. Perhaps in such cases, the call centre
>operator should ask one or two confirmatory questions?
>
>I had a similar situation when I called an Uber from outside a station that
>has entrances on both sides of the tracks. I had assumed that my location
>would be transmitted accurately enough to identify exactly where I was
>waiting, on the road outside one of the entrances, but apparently not.
>Instead, the driver had been sent to the main entrance, on the other side,
>about 60m away. The driver said that if you called from in or close to the
>station, the system interprets that to mean the car should collect from the
>main entrance.

Some stations like Sheffield, Guildford, Derby and York [just the ones
I've used] have quite separate entrances.

Perhaps it's been reconfigured now, but the best place to do a pickup at
Reading was on the north (rear) entrance, rather than the south (main)
entrance.
--
Roland Perry

In message <j6dd4iFk491U1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:18:26 on Mon, 7 Feb
2022, Rupert Moss-Eccardt <nin@moss-eccardt.com> remarked:
>>>The landowner is generally responsible for physically maintaining a
>>>highway; a highway (or any particular section of it) is not inevitably
>>>an adopted road.
>>
>> That's irrelevant at Queen Adelaide, because the road is marked as
>> adopted. We just need to find out "by whom". Rupert lives nearby, maybe
>> he knows.
>
>Ah. If you are relying on the map on the Cambridgeshire web site, not
>all roads marked as 'adopted' actually are but are labelled as such as
>they are, for most purposes, handled as if they were.

Kafka would be proud.
--
Roland Perry

In message <ukn10h1841cklct4g54j1fo673kh1h32kh@4ax.com>, at 09:12:06 on
Mon, 7 Feb 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked:

>>Ambulance suppliers say they specifically have issues with the 3.5t
>>limit, because it means they have to slim down the basic vehicle so it
>>doesn't infringe if someone adds a tail-lift.
>>
>That is the current position, my example was of a comparable vehicle
>(sometimes actually marked "Ambulance" which can be painted on any
>vehicle including at least one Leyland National bus) with a very
>narrow exemption allowing the standard weight limit to be exceeded.
>
>>Of all people, you'd expect *they* would know about an exception to the
>>rule. Therefore I suggest you are over-reading the exception.
>>
>You are doing the over-reading. I wasn't saying it currently applied
>to <3.5t ambulances which are also emergency vehicles.

So you eventually agree that the suppliers of those have to slim them
down in case someone later adds a tail-lift that would put them over the
weight limit.

Geez, that was hard work.
--
Roland Perry

On 08/02/2022 09:38, Roland Perry wrote:
> I really wouldn't want to encourage them to do that. In any event, such
> traffic control measures are usually only deployed if the works
> themselves infringe on the highway, not if the workmen attending merely
> decide to park their vans in a stupid place.

I regularly see places where there is some work near the road and a lane
is coned off for their vehicles with a traffic management company
controlling traffic.

I get the impression they need some sort of certification to be allowed
to control traffic so it is easiest to contract out to a specialist
company. Very rare now to see the company doing the work controlling
the traffic themselves.

It has obvioously become quite a profitable business. You will often see
a vehicle from the traffic management company at each end of the road
works (with driver sleeping or reading his copy of The Sun!), sometimes
a vehicle for controlling the convoy if it is a busy road and of course
now a vehicle with bogs and brewing up facilities.

On 08/02/2022 11:56, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <stte94$nhl$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:48:20 on Tue, 8 Feb 2022,
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <pfl20hho005g8gj70esdb5d77hlqjpukjk@4ax.com>, at 17:27:55 on
>>> Mon, 7 Feb 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 16:37:05 +0000, ColinR
>>>> <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 07/02/2022 09:12, MB wrote:
>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 07:15, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>> Or non-existent; not all places have a postcode. I'm sure I've
>>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>>> the carriage washing machine in the sidings outside Cambridge
>>>>>>> Station
>>>>>>> before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it is location that does not receive post then the Postcode
>>>>>> will be
>>>>>> one covering a large area.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We had a contract that required us to visit and audit one of the
>>>>>> mobile
>>>>>> phone companies' sites but all we were given was a Postcode and
>>>>>> name. We
>>>>>> kept asking for NGRs but it took some time for them to let us have
>>>>>> them.  I think we convinced them after going to one site that was
>>>>>> up in
>>>>>> the cloud some distance from the road so not visible and access not
>>>>>> obvious.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got Postcodes for all our own sites because some SatNavs use
>>>>>> them and
>>>>>> it would get you to the rough area and I had written out
>>>>>> directions as
>>>>>> well as copied a section of a large scale map.
>>>>>
>>>>> W3W does give a result of a small area (3m square?) when accurate. A
>>>>> postcode can give a larger area. In my case, my postcode covers the
>>>>> house 300 yards away to my west, but also the houses over 2 miles away
>>>>> to the south.
>>>>
>>>> One of its other big advantages is that the app can give you your
>>>> current W3W code, wherever in the world you are.  It
>>>> can't tell you the postcode.
>>>>
>>>> So, wherever you break down, have an accident or get stuck, you can
>>>> soon notify others of your exact location.
>>>
>>> Unless you've broken down on the wrong one of A14 or Girton Road.
>>>
>>> https://goo.gl/maps/8t8A44Dex5JeXoaE7
>>>
>>> Hint: W3W doesn't do vertical layers.
>>
>> I suppose there's that risk with any road bridge — there will be many
>> along
>> motorways and dual carriageways. Perhaps in such cases, the call centre
>> operator should ask one or two confirmatory questions?
>>
>> I had a similar situation when I called an Uber from outside a station
>> that
>> has entrances on both sides of the tracks. I had assumed that my location
>> would be transmitted accurately enough to identify exactly where I was
>> waiting, on the road outside one of the entrances, but apparently not.
>> Instead, the driver had been sent to the main entrance, on the other
>> side,
>> about 60m away. The driver said that if you called from in or close to
>> the
>> station, the system interprets that to mean the car should collect
>> from the
>> main entrance.
>
> Some stations like Sheffield, Guildford, Derby and York [just the ones
> I've used] have quite separate entrances.
>
> Perhaps it's been reconfigured now, but the best place to do a pickup at
> Reading was on the north (rear) entrance, rather than the south (main)
> entrance.

Even more so after the rebuild.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On 08/02/2022 11:25, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
> "Maybe it has a postcode now" - Google maps gives its postcode, if you'd
> clicked on the tower itself rather than somewhere near it…

People forget that the Postcode system is designed delivery of mail not
for drivers. One postcode in a rural area might cover several square
miles but that might be covered one delivery.

Also the Post Town can be many miles away from an address, my Post Town
is about 100 miles away and there are places further away with that same
Post Town.

There often used to be claims that it was crazy that the Western Isles
had a Paisley Postcode when it is obvious why it was the like that if
they just stopped and thought about it (now has its own Postcode).

I suspected that it is now like telephone codes and a particular code
can be directed to anywhere with automatic sorting.

On 08/02/2022 13:05, MB wrote:
> On 08/02/2022 11:25, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
>> "Maybe it has a postcode now" - Google maps gives its postcode, if you'd
>> clicked on the tower itself rather than somewhere near it…
>
>
> People forget that the Postcode system is designed delivery of mail not
> for drivers. One postcode in a rural area might cover several square
> miles but that might be covered one delivery.
>
> Also the Post Town can be many miles away from an address, my Post Town
> is about 100 miles away and there are places further away with that same
> Post Town.
>
> There often used to be claims that it was crazy that the Western Isles
> had a Paisley Postcode when it is obvious why it was the like that if
> they just stopped and thought about it (now has its own Postcode).
>
> I suspected that it is now like telephone codes and a particular code
> can be directed to anywhere with automatic sorting.
>
>
>

AIUI Post Towns no longer exist as far as te Royal Mail is concerned

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On 08/02/2022 13:08, Graeme Wall wrote:
> AIUI Post Towns no longer exist as far as te Royal Mail is concerned

Just using for the top level of the postcode system.

I would hope the actual delivery system is much more flexible now and
able to be reprogrammed easily like a telecom network.

On 08/02/2022 13:05, MB wrote:
> On 08/02/2022 11:25, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
>> "Maybe it has a postcode now" - Google maps gives its postcode, if you'd
>> clicked on the tower itself rather than somewhere near it…
>
>
> People forget that the Postcode system is designed delivery of mail not
> for drivers. One postcode in a rural area might cover several square
> miles but that might be covered one delivery.

What about in the Republic of Ireland, for example, where there are no
postal codes. That is the only such country or territory in Europe
without them, AFAIK.

> Also the Post Town can be many miles away from an address, my Post Town
> is about 100 miles away and there are places further away with that same
> Post Town.
>
> There often used to be claims that it was crazy that the Western Isles
> had a Paisley Postcode when it is obvious why it was the like that if
> they just stopped and thought about it (now has its own Postcode).
>
> I suspected that it is now like telephone codes and a particular code
> can be directed to anywhere with automatic sorting.
>
>
>
Tristan da Cunha, for example, has the international country code +290,
though I understand that in many cases they use London's 020 code.

Calling one of France's overseas departments or territories from
Metropolitan France is just a trunk call, whilst it is an international
call if dialled from elsewhere.

On 08/02/2022 16:21, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Tristan da Cunha, for example, has the international country code +290,
> though I understand that in many cases they use London's 020 code.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4129636.stm

On 08/02/2022 16:21, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> What about in the Republic of Ireland, for example, where there are no
> postal codes. That is the only such country or territory in Europe
> without them, AFAIK.

https://www.eircode.ie/

Even got it linked on here.

https://irish.gridreferencefinder.com/

hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 08/02/2022 13:05, MB wrote:
>> On 08/02/2022 11:25, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
>>> "Maybe it has a postcode now" - Google maps gives its postcode, if you'd
>>> clicked on the tower itself rather than somewhere near it…
>>
>>
>> People forget that the Postcode system is designed delivery of mail not
>> for drivers. One postcode in a rural area might cover several square
>> miles but that might be covered one delivery.
>
> What about in the Republic of Ireland, for example, where there are no
> postal codes. That is the only such country or territory in Europe
> without them, AFAIK.

Not any more:
https://www.eircode.ie/what-is-eircode

>
>> Also the Post Town can be many miles away from an address, my Post Town
>> is about 100 miles away and there are places further away with that same
>> Post Town.
>>
>> There often used to be claims that it was crazy that the Western Isles
>> had a Paisley Postcode when it is obvious why it was the like that if
>> they just stopped and thought about it (now has its own Postcode).
>>
>> I suspected that it is now like telephone codes and a particular code
>> can be directed to anywhere with automatic sorting.
>>
>>
>>
> Tristan da Cunha, for example, has the international country code +290,
> though I understand that in many cases they use London's 020 code.

They'd need the +44 code for that.

>
> Calling one of France's overseas departments or territories from
> Metropolitan France is just a trunk call, whilst it is an international
> call if dialled from elsewhere.

The French overseas departments are French in every way. They are in the
EU, and Schengen, speak French and use the Euro. They are fully represented
politically, too. If you have EU roaming, then you get free phone calls and
data there (very handy if you're on a cruise ship with expensive WiFi).

On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 10:07:11 +0000
Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <str1no$96e$4@dont-email.me>, at 12:02:01 on Mon, 7 Feb 2022,
>MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>>On 07/02/2022 10:01, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>> Stickers are not always stuck on. Parking ticket envelopes are
>>> commonly sticky-backed but usually merely secured under a windscreen
>>> wiper (as they are deemed to be "attached" whether stuck on or not).
>>> Most motorcycles don't have windscreen wipers thus requiring actual
>>> attachment.
>>
>>We used to use various universities for an annual meeting. We were
>>told at one place they covered the windows of illegally parked cars
>>with No Parking stickers so the driver would have spend time removing
>>them - probably hurt him more than a fine.
>
>That's the classic case of vigilantism which is probably illegal under
>criminal damage law.

If there's no damage to the vehicle then its not illegal. Inconveniencing
someone isn't - yet - a criminal offense.

In message <stqonh$cu3$2@dont-email.me>, at 09:28:18 on Mon, 7 Feb 2022,
MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>On 07/02/2022 09:12, Charles Ellson wrote:

>> That is the current position, my example was of a comparable vehicle
>> (sometimes actually marked "Ambulance" which can be painted on any
>> vehicle including at least one Leyland National bus) with a very
>> narrow exemption allowing the standard weight limit to be exceeded.
>
>We were given printed signs saying that we were working for the
>ambulance service, we just used to park in ambulance areas at hospitals
>occasionally.

In other words neither of these sets of vehicles is a classic emergency
ambulance, and thus this rathole is utterly irrelevant.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <stte94$nhl$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:48:20 on Tue, 8 Feb 2022,
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <pfl20hho005g8gj70esdb5d77hlqjpukjk@4ax.com>, at 17:27:55 on
>>> Mon, 7 Feb 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 16:37:05 +0000, ColinR
>>>> <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 07/02/2022 09:12, MB wrote:
>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 07:15, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>> Or non-existent; not all places have a postcode. I'm sure I've mentioned
>>>>>>> the carriage washing machine in the sidings outside Cambridge Station
>>>>>>> before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it is location that does not receive post then the Postcode will be
>>>>>> one covering a large area.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We had a contract that required us to visit and audit one of the mobile
>>>>>> phone companies' sites but all we were given was a Postcode and name. We
>>>>>> kept asking for NGRs but it took some time for them to let us have
>>>>>> them.  I think we convinced them after going to one site that was up in
>>>>>> the cloud some distance from the road so not visible and access not
>>>>>> obvious.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got Postcodes for all our own sites because some SatNavs use them and
>>>>>> it would get you to the rough area and I had written out directions as
>>>>>> well as copied a section of a large scale map.
>>>>>
>>>>> W3W does give a result of a small area (3m square?) when accurate. A
>>>>> postcode can give a larger area. In my case, my postcode covers the
>>>>> house 300 yards away to my west, but also the houses over 2 miles away
>>>>> to the south.
>>>>
>>>> One of its other big advantages is that the app can give you your
>>>> current W3W code, wherever in the world you are. It
>>>> can't tell you the postcode.
>>>>
>>>> So, wherever you break down, have an accident or get stuck, you can
>>>> soon notify others of your exact location.
>>>
>>> Unless you've broken down on the wrong one of A14 or Girton Road.
>>>
>>> https://goo.gl/maps/8t8A44Dex5JeXoaE7
>>>
>>> Hint: W3W doesn't do vertical layers.
>>
>> I suppose there's that risk with any road bridge — there will be many along
>> motorways and dual carriageways. Perhaps in such cases, the call centre
>> operator should ask one or two confirmatory questions?
>>
>> I had a similar situation when I called an Uber from outside a station that
>> has entrances on both sides of the tracks. I had assumed that my location
>> would be transmitted accurately enough to identify exactly where I was
>> waiting, on the road outside one of the entrances, but apparently not.
>> Instead, the driver had been sent to the main entrance, on the other side,
>> about 60m away. The driver said that if you called from in or close to the
>> station, the system interprets that to mean the car should collect from the
>> main entrance.
>
> Some stations like Sheffield, Guildford, Derby and York [just the ones
> I've used] have quite separate entrances.
>
> Perhaps it's been reconfigured now, but the best place to do a pickup at
> Reading was on the north (rear) entrance, rather than the south (main)
> entrance.

That's where the taxi rank and pick-up/drop-off are now situated. Though
there's some pick-up facility in the underground car park beneath the south
station building.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

On 08/02/2022 16:29, MB wrote:
> On 08/02/2022 16:21, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> Tristan da Cunha, for example, has the international country code +290,
>> though I understand that in many cases they use London's 020 code.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4129636.stm
>
I was referring to international calling.

I know about TdC's postal code.

On 08/02/2022 16:32, MB wrote:
> On 08/02/2022 16:21, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> What about in the Republic of Ireland, for example, where there are no
>> postal codes. That is the only such country or territory in Europe
>> without them, AFAIK.
>
> https://www.eircode.ie/
>
>
> Even got it linked on here.
>
> https://irish.gridreferencefinder.com/

So noted, so corrected.
>

On 08/02/2022 16:38, Recliner wrote:
> hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 08/02/2022 13:05, MB wrote:
>>> On 08/02/2022 11:25, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
>>>> "Maybe it has a postcode now" - Google maps gives its postcode, if you'd
>>>> clicked on the tower itself rather than somewhere near it…
>>>
>>>
>>> People forget that the Postcode system is designed delivery of mail not
>>> for drivers. One postcode in a rural area might cover several square
>>> miles but that might be covered one delivery.
>>
>> What about in the Republic of Ireland, for example, where there are no
>> postal codes. That is the only such country or territory in Europe
>> without them, AFAIK.
>
> Not any more:
> https://www.eircode.ie/what-is-eircode
>
>>
>>> Also the Post Town can be many miles away from an address, my Post Town
>>> is about 100 miles away and there are places further away with that same
>>> Post Town.
>>>
>>> There often used to be claims that it was crazy that the Western Isles
>>> had a Paisley Postcode when it is obvious why it was the like that if
>>> they just stopped and thought about it (now has its own Postcode).
>>>
>>> I suspected that it is now like telephone codes and a particular code
>>> can be directed to anywhere with automatic sorting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Tristan da Cunha, for example, has the international country code +290,
>> though I understand that in many cases they use London's 020 code.
>
> They'd need the +44 code for that.

Yes, indeed. It's still notably cheaper than calling the island via the
+290 code, however.

St. Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha have two county codes, +290
and +247. The former is for St. Helena and TdC, whilst the latter is for
Ascension. Using either one of those codes is NOT cheap.

Somebody I know once had to ring southern Greenland on personal
business. A very short call was somewhere in the area of £7.

>
>>
>> Calling one of France's overseas departments or territories from
>> Metropolitan France is just a trunk call, whilst it is an international
>> call if dialled from elsewhere.
>
> The French overseas departments are French in every way.

Yeah, but calling them from outside of Metropolitan France requires a
different international dialling code.

> They are in the
> EU, and Schengen, speak French and use the Euro.

I believe that Schengen only applies to Metropolitan France.

Anyway, be you from an overseas department or collectivity, you are a
full French citizen with all rights and privileges.

It's actually better than either UK or US external territories;
Residents of the latter are US Nationals, rather than citizens,
basically meaning that they cannot participate in Presidential
elections. But they have full freedom of work and residency in the
United States, they have a proper passport and they can start the
process to obtain full citizenship after three months.

> They are fully represented
> politically, too.

Absolutely. In the same way that Alaska and Hawai'i as well as
Kaliningrad province have full representation in their respective
nations' legislatures.

On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 16:53:33 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
wrote:

>On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 10:07:11 +0000
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>In message <str1no$96e$4@dont-email.me>, at 12:02:01 on Mon, 7 Feb 2022,
>>MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>>>On 07/02/2022 10:01, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>> Stickers are not always stuck on. Parking ticket envelopes are
>>>> commonly sticky-backed but usually merely secured under a windscreen
>>>> wiper (as they are deemed to be "attached" whether stuck on or not).
>>>> Most motorcycles don't have windscreen wipers thus requiring actual
>>>> attachment.
>>>
>>>We used to use various universities for an annual meeting. We were
>>>told at one place they covered the windows of illegally parked cars
>>>with No Parking stickers so the driver would have spend time removing
>>>them - probably hurt him more than a fine.
>>
>>That's the classic case of vigilantism which is probably illegal under
>>criminal damage law.
>
>If there's no damage to the vehicle then its not illegal. Inconveniencing
>someone isn't - yet - a criminal offense.
>
There does not need to be damage to a vehicle for the offence of
Criminal Damage to be committed; a temporary impairment of its
usefulness is sufficient.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/criminal-damage

On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 09:14:28 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
wrote:

>In message <q4q10h5o7hlkmjqkkmsg61drjsnk5sg2bj@4ax.com>, at 10:01:21 on
>Mon, 7 Feb 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked:
>
>>>>An advertisement can be defaced or removed without notice if it does
>>>>not identify the "person who displayed it" and their address. [s.225
>>>>Town and Country Planning Act 1990].
>>>
>>>Under-citing again.
>>>
>>>First it needs some regulations (maybe everywhere has them, maybe they
>>>don't - perhaps they've got regulations about fly-posting in their parks
>>>and open spaces, not verges at the side of roads).
>>>
>>>It then goes on to say:
>>>
>>> "the local planning authority shall not exercise any power conferred
>>> by subsection (1) unless ... <<they give notice>>"
>>>
>>>And the stuff about it "not giving an address" NOR "unable to ascertain
>>>it after reasonable inquiry", is simply to cover the circumstances of
>>>inability to deliver the necessary notices.
>>>
>>It is to deal with a common feature of fly-posting.
>
>Most fly-posting is not anonymous, that rather defeats the objective.
>"Come to our event, and we refuse to say who we are or where it is".
>
>The council can therefore find the service address of the perpetrator
>"after reasonable inquiry".
>
>There's a fly-posting-advertised beer festival locally this weekend,
>which is organised by the local branch of CAMRA, and although it only
>specifies the venue in generic terms (rather than an address and
>postcode) it wouldn't take long to track down who the organisers are.
>
>They've even got a Facebook page!
>

Your town might be different but the majority of fly-posting I observe
involves no more identification than a mobile telephone number.

On 8 Feb 2022 09:08, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <j6ddd9Fk71aU1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:23:04 on Mon, 7 Feb
> 2022, Rupert Moss-Eccardt <nin@moss-eccardt.com> remarked:
>>On 7 Feb 2022 11:47, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <stqo6l$apg$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:19:18 on Mon, 7 Feb 2022,
>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>>>>On 07/02/2022 07:19, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>> Are you seriously suggesting there are 24x7 bus lanes which also have
>>>>> valid car parking spaces on them? even if the Highway Authority was
>>>>> brain-dead enough to create such a monstrosity, you'd need to illegally
>>>>> drive in the bus lane to park there, so that would defuse them
>>>>> immediately.
>>>>
>>>>Would need to see the full regulations, you get some people who
>>believe
>>>>you can never cross double white lines - I impressed an instructor
on
>>a
>>>>course when I listed the occasions when you can cross them. :-)
>>>
>>> ObRail: I sometimes cross double white lines on the approach to a level
>>> crossing where they've parked a Network Rail van by the side of the
>>> road, and it's the only way to get past.
>>
>>When I find that in my area, I park in safe place and get them to park
>>in the official place. If they don't move I report them to the COSS.
>
> So you agree it happens fairly frequently?

No. According to the RSSB and my contacts in NR it is just some
contractors and a few 'bad apples'. I'm not sure I agree with that
assessment either

On 8 Feb 2022 12:09, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <j6dd4iFk491U1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:18:26 on Mon, 7 Feb
> 2022, Rupert Moss-Eccardt <nin@moss-eccardt.com> remarked:
>>>>The landowner is generally responsible for physically maintaining a
>>>>highway; a highway (or any particular section of it) is not
inevitably
>>>>an adopted road.
>>>
>>> That's irrelevant at Queen Adelaide, because the road is marked as
>>> adopted. We just need to find out "by whom". Rupert lives nearby, maybe
>>> he knows.
>>
>>Ah. If you are relying on the map on the Cambridgeshire web site, not
>>all roads marked as 'adopted' actually are but are labelled as such as
>>they are, for most purposes, handled as if they were.
>
> Kafka would be proud.

As you should know only the definitive map is, well, definitive