On 07/02/2022 07:13, Charles Ellson wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 23:27:54 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 18:35:21 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I see such "lost" ambulances fairly often around London.
>>>>
>>>> I think most now have "jobs" sent to the terminal in the ambulance and
>>>> on the various "reality" programmes, I get the impression their control
>>>> can send the location direct to a Sat Nav.
>>>>
>>> They do but that fails where the postcode is for various reasons
>>> incorrect or in some cases defines a larger area (the premises number
>>> might not have been supplied) where it is possible to find yourself on
>>> the wrong side of a barrier.
>>>
>>
>> Is what3words used to pin down location?
>>
> You can report a location with w3w to the services listed in
> https://what3words.com/news/emergency/uk-emergency-services-rollout-what3words-in-control-rooms-to-save-resources-time-and-lives
> (which doesn't seem to leave many exceptions, if any)
> but I suspect that gets translated to a postcode or OS reference
> before it is transmitted to the terminal in an ambulance. w3w should
> be inherently more precise than the majority of postcodes while an OS
> reference is as accurate as the number of digits used (or e.g. the
> accuracy of a GPS device producing it). Even w3w has the capability of
> putting you on the wrong side of a wall but the person/device
> originating the code would need to be close to it for that to happen,
> presuming also that there is no GPS/cellphone error involved.

Why don't they just use lat-lon?

On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:58:52 +0000, "hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk" <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>On 07/02/2022 07:13, Charles Ellson wrote:
>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 23:27:54 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 18:35:21 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I see such "lost" ambulances fairly often around London.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think most now have "jobs" sent to the terminal in the ambulance and
>>>>> on the various "reality" programmes, I get the impression their control
>>>>> can send the location direct to a Sat Nav.
>>>>>
>>>> They do but that fails where the postcode is for various reasons
>>>> incorrect or in some cases defines a larger area (the premises number
>>>> might not have been supplied) where it is possible to find yourself on
>>>> the wrong side of a barrier.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is what3words used to pin down location?
>>>
>> You can report a location with w3w to the services listed in
>> https://what3words.com/news/emergency/uk-emergency-services-rollout-what3words-in-control-rooms-to-save-resources-time-and-lives
>> (which doesn't seem to leave many exceptions, if any)
>> but I suspect that gets translated to a postcode or OS reference
>> before it is transmitted to the terminal in an ambulance. w3w should
>> be inherently more precise than the majority of postcodes while an OS
>> reference is as accurate as the number of digits used (or e.g. the
>> accuracy of a GPS device producing it). Even w3w has the capability of
>> putting you on the wrong side of a wall but the person/device
>> originating the code would need to be close to it for that to happen,
>> presuming also that there is no GPS/cellphone error involved.
>
>Why don't they just use lat-lon?

For the same reason we use postcodes: much easier to remember and quote.

On 07/02/2022 12:49, Roland Perry wrote:
> The irony being that I'm sure the Highway Code says don't park close to
> level crossings.

I think I would have been inclined to report to Network Rail preferably
with a photograph.

There might be occasions when they do need to park there but it should
be well marked with someone controlling traffic.

If it was an emergency (barrier not working?) then I would think they
should have blocked the road with their vehicle as a short term measure.

On 07/02/2022 14:58, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Why don't they just use lat-lon?

The obvious reason is that how many can remember which is Lat and which
is Long. Though it should be obvious from the numbers in the UK. But
it needs a long series of numbers to get an accurate position.

Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 07/02/2022 12:49, Marland wrote:
>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 07:19:13 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>
>>> Outside Sainsbury's, Clapham High Street,
>>> https://goo.gl/maps/wbg2n12TB1EQEepW8
>>>
>> That has changed a bit since I was taken there as a youngster when it was
>> the Museum of British Transport,
>>
>
> Didn't it have Stephenson's Rocket on a plinth outside?
>

Yes , as can be seen in this photo .

<https://boroughphotos.org/lambeth/british-transport-museum-clapham-high-street-clapham/>

It is the bank that confirms the position .
I wonder what was wrong the block of flats that enabled developers to get
permission in a City that
is always in need of residential accommodation to demolish them and put a
supermarket in their place, probably the residents weren’t posh enough and
have been exported to Essex.

GH

On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 12:50:25 +0000
Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <stqqbi$1pum$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 09:56:02 on Mon, 7 Feb
>2022, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 17:22:13 -0000 (UTC)
>>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 15:27:17 +0000
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> computing. And I'm quoted extensively in the recent Raspberry Pi book on
>>>>> 1980's home computing.
>>>>
>>>> I don't really get the whole Pi link to retro. There's nothing retro about
>>>it,
>>>> its a compact form Linux computer and just as hard/easy depending on
>>>>your POV
>>>
>>>> to program as any other linux box. A lovely little machine but has nothing
>>>in
>>>> common with anything from the 80s other than its ARM CPU being a descendent
>
>>>of
>>>> Acorn.
>>>
>>>Perhaps because it's an unashamedly bare-bones computer, like the ones from
>>>40+ years ago? Like them, it's aimed at programmers, not consumers.
>>
>>I wouldn't say its bare bones. Its got pretty much everything a PC motherboard
>
>>has apart from slottable RAM and AFAIK a disk controller.
>
>And sufficient MIPS to adequately do things like video editing.

Though if you do even medium work with the Pi4 you need to invest in proper CPU
cooling because the supplied heatsink isn't anywhere near up to the job as
I found out in a previous job in 2019 when we were using one as an RS232 <-> TCP
translator and the case almost melted.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <stj0eq$oj2$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:06 on Fri, 4 Feb 2022,
> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <st907b$ssj$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:45:47 on Mon, 31 Jan
>>> 2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 31/01/2022 15:03, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> They know they are close to the indicated bridge height, but they
>>>>>>> reckon there's probably a safety margin built in. So, build in a
>>>>>>> bigger safety margin, and it will all be fine!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is 15cm not sufficient?
>>>>>
>>>>> You want to spend say £1m lowering the roadway in order to make the
>>>>> margin 18cm. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> You have no evidence that it will work. Yes, I know that 9 out of 10
>>>>> collisions were caused by drivers only misjudging by a couple of cms,
>>>>> but you have no evidence that they won't continue to do so after the
>>>>> road is expensively lowered.
>>>>
>>>> I’ve tried to take this up with Roland before but he insists, without much
>>>> in the way of evidence except that the vans that are a couple of inches too
>>>> tall are the ones that hit the bridge, that there is a break point in the
>>>> distribution of van heights at around 2.85.
>>>
>>> Find me some which are. It might take you a while.
>>
>> No, you keep insisting that there is a fleet of vans out there that are a
>> couple of inches too tall for the bridge and that raising the bridge that
>> far will make sure that no vans hit it.
>
> Not a huge fleet, maybe one van in fifty (or 100?) is a model of the
> particular height that's either prone to wedging under the bridge or
> just planing a centimetre off the top.

Who said anything about huge?

>> It’s up to you to verify that claim.
>
> Not really, especially as you've misrepresented it.

Is it wrong to say that you believe that lowering the road by a couple of
inches would eliminate the collisions?

>> You keep producing evidence of vans that are just too tall, but you
>> provide no evidence of vans that are more than a couple of inches too tall
>> because they don’t hit or scrape the bridge.
>
> That's because there are almost no vans on the road in that height
> racket.

Another proof by assertion, though I see you’ve added an “almost” this
time. Could you provide something more in the way of evidence, perhaps?

>>> An analogy I've used before is multi-storeys and SUVs. Typically the
>>> former will have a height limit of 2m, and that works fine because even
>>> the taller SUVs are rarely above 1.85m. If there were significant
>>> numbers of SUVs that are 2.05m tall, I'm sure we'd have heard the
>>> complaints about them being excluded from the facilities everyone
>>> else uses.
>>
>> Or perhaps, just perhaps, SUV designers know that to fit into common spaces
>> like car parks they have to make vehicles that fit under a 2 m bar.
>> Where’s the evolutionary pressure like that to make vans fit into a 2.85 m
>> high space?
>
> The pressure is that almost no-one needs a van with a 3.5t weight limit
> (that's the van plus contents) which is taller than the 2.80-2.86 range
> that the manufacturers roll off their production lines.

That may very well be true, but it sounds like speculation.

Sam

--
The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
Spit the dummy to reply

On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 10:36:28 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>> If Macs weren't so expensive I'm pretty sure Apple would have eaten MS's
>> lunch by now in the home market.
>
>Yes, and the new M1 chip is pulling in converts. MS/AMD/Intel don't have an
>answer to it.

Will be interesting to see if down the line Apple see more money in becoming a
CPU vendor and licensing the chip to OEMs than they'd lose by people going with
the OEMs rather than a Mac. I won't hold my breath however.

On 07/02/2022 09:12, MB wrote:
> On 07/02/2022 07:15, Roland Perry wrote:
>> Or non-existent; not all places have a postcode. I'm sure I've mentioned
>> the carriage washing machine in the sidings outside Cambridge Station
>> before.
>
> If it is location that does not receive post then the Postcode will be
> one covering a large area.
>
> We had a contract that required us to visit and audit one of the mobile
> phone companies' sites but all we were given was a Postcode and name. We
> kept asking for NGRs but it took some time for them to let us have
> them.  I think we convinced them after going to one site that was up in
> the cloud some distance from the road so not visible and access not
> obvious.
>
> I got Postcodes for all our own sites because some SatNavs use them and
> it would get you to the rough area and I had written out directions as
> well as copied a section of a large scale map.

W3W does give a result of a small area (3m square?) when accurate. A
postcode can give a larger area. In my case, my postcode covers the
house 300 yards away to my west, but also the houses over 2 miles away
to the south.

--
Colin

On 07/02/2022 15:44, Marland wrote:
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 07/02/2022 12:49, Marland wrote:
>>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 07:19:13 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>
>>>> Outside Sainsbury's, Clapham High Street,
>>>> https://goo.gl/maps/wbg2n12TB1EQEepW8
>>>>
>>> That has changed a bit since I was taken there as a youngster when it was
>>> the Museum of British Transport,
>>>
>>
>> Didn't it have Stephenson's Rocket on a plinth outside?
>>
>
>
> Yes , as can be seen in this photo .
>
> <https://boroughphotos.org/lambeth/british-transport-museum-clapham-high-street-clapham/>
>
> It is the bank that confirms the position .
> I wonder what was wrong the block of flats that enabled developers to get
> permission in a City that
> is always in need of residential accommodation to demolish them and put a
> supermarket in their place, probably the residents weren’t posh enough and
> have been exported to Essex.
>

I've an idea those flats went quite a while before the supermarket was
built. Possibly acquired by a developer who went bust and Sainsburys
picked up the site cheap. As you can see from the architecture the
supermarket is not that old.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 16:37:05 +0000, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:

>On 07/02/2022 09:12, MB wrote:
>> On 07/02/2022 07:15, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> Or non-existent; not all places have a postcode. I'm sure I've mentioned
>>> the carriage washing machine in the sidings outside Cambridge Station
>>> before.
>>
>> If it is location that does not receive post then the Postcode will be
>> one covering a large area.
>>
>> We had a contract that required us to visit and audit one of the mobile
>> phone companies' sites but all we were given was a Postcode and name. We
>> kept asking for NGRs but it took some time for them to let us have
>> them.  I think we convinced them after going to one site that was up in
>> the cloud some distance from the road so not visible and access not
>> obvious.
>>
>> I got Postcodes for all our own sites because some SatNavs use them and
>> it would get you to the rough area and I had written out directions as
>> well as copied a section of a large scale map.
>
>W3W does give a result of a small area (3m square?) when accurate. A
>postcode can give a larger area. In my case, my postcode covers the
>house 300 yards away to my west, but also the houses over 2 miles away
>to the south.

One of its other big advantages is that the app can give you your current W3W code, wherever in the world you are. It
can't tell you the postcode.

So, wherever you break down, have an accident or get stuck, you can soon notify others of your exact location.

On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 16:34:00 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:

>On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 10:36:28 -0000 (UTC)
>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>> If Macs weren't so expensive I'm pretty sure Apple would have eaten MS's
>>> lunch by now in the home market.
>>
>>Yes, and the new M1 chip is pulling in converts. MS/AMD/Intel don't have an
>>answer to it.
>
>Will be interesting to see if down the line Apple see more money in becoming a
>CPU vendor and licensing the chip to OEMs than they'd lose by people going with
>the OEMs rather than a Mac. I won't hold my breath however.

I agree, I don't think that'll happen. Apple makes more money keeping such advantages to itself.

On 7 Feb 2022 07:23, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <59m00hpncned5feqdctk2fpbnm6o3far5h@4ax.com>, at 06:32:59 on
> Mon, 7 Feb 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked:
>>On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 17:57:43 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In message <8u6mvg1697bu488va95ah4cecp46h4sqfh@4ax.com>, at 00:14:46
on
>>>Thu, 3 Feb 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
remarked:
>>>>On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 09:48:55 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In message <stat2e$9g0$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:04:14 on Tue, 1 Feb
2022,
>>>>>Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <st8v6q$59j$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:28:27 on Mon, 31 Jan
>>>>>>> 2022, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> remarked:
>>>>>>>> On 31/01/2022 15:03, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They know they are close to the indicated bridge height, but they
>>>>>>>>>> reckon there's probably a safety margin built in. So, build in a
>>>>>>>>>> bigger safety margin, and it will all be fine!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is 15cm not sufficient?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You want to spend say £1m lowering the roadway in order to make the
>>>>>>>> margin 18cm. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have no evidence it would cost that much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have no evidence that it will work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think I have plenty.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, I know that 9 out of 10 collisions were caused by drivers only
>>>>>>>> misjudging by a couple of cms,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They should not be judging the height on-the-fLy as they approach, when
>>>>>>> their vehicle is *at least* 15cm taller than the number on the signage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but you have no evidence that they won't continue to do so
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The evidence for that is the lack of any candidate vehicles whose height
>>>>>>> is in that inch-higher-then-the-current-victims bracket.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> after the road is expensively lowered.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Network Rail need to tone down the shroud-waving and decide if a simple
>>>>>>> remedy in this instance is cost-effective.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is lowering the road a Network Rail cost or a local
authority/highways
>>>>>>responsibility?
>>>>>
>>>>>I expect it's on railway land, but they are happy to have the
Highways
>>>>>Authority maintain it, while simultaneously grumbling about the
>>>>>easily-designed-out bridge bashes.
>>>>>
>>>>The road will fairly certainly be highway land, if only the surface.
>>>>Unless there is a significant cost knocking on to the local
authority
>>>>then I would not expect (change hats if necessary) the highway
>>>>authority to take an interest in spending large amounts of money on
>>>>anything other than signage.
>>>
>>>Rather than speculate, I thought I'd actually look at the definitive
>>>mapping. And the underpass is adopted, as is rather more surprisingly
>>>the surface of the now-closed level crossing.
>>>
>>>Unlike the next road and level crossing north of there (Kiln Lane)
which
>>>is unadopted.
>>>
>>>When work has been done of the surface of the Queen Adelaide level
>>>crossings, it's been by Network Rail, despite also being allegedly
>>>adopted. I wonder if they send a bill to the Highways Authority?
>>>
>>The landowner is generally responsible for physically maintaining a
>>highway; a highway (or any particular section of it) is not inevitably
>>an adopted road.
>
> That's irrelevant at Queen Adelaide, because the road is marked as
> adopted. We just need to find out "by whom". Rupert lives nearby, maybe
> he knows.
>

Ah. If you are relying on the map on the Cambridgeshire web site, not
all roads marked as 'adopted' actually are but are labelled as such as
they are, for most purposes, handled as if they were.

On 7 Feb 2022 11:47, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <stqo6l$apg$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:19:18 on Mon, 7 Feb 2022,
> MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>>On 07/02/2022 07:19, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> Are you seriously suggesting there are 24x7 bus lanes which also have
>>> valid car parking spaces on them? even if the Highway Authority was
>>> brain-dead enough to create such a monstrosity, you'd need to illegally
>>> drive in the bus lane to park there, so that would defuse them
>>> immediately.
>>
>>Would need to see the full regulations, you get some people who
believe
>>you can never cross double white lines - I impressed an instructor on
a >>course when I listed the occasions when you can cross them. :-)
>
> ObRail: I sometimes cross double white lines on the approach to a level
> crossing where they've parked a Network Rail van by the side of the
> road, and it's the only way to get past.

When I find that in my area, I park in safe place and get them to park
in the official place. If they don't move I report them to the COSS.

In message <2as10hlrbmtrjchcv340a1jjam90m7lp4o@4ax.com>, at 10:24:45 on
Mon, 7 Feb 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked:

>>Nobody knew the postcode of the carriage washing machine, and I'm not
>>sure you'd find it in the Royal Mail database.
>>
>You possibly won't but it will be indicated on a postcode map which
>now seem to be available only from third-party suppliers who have
>bought the digital information from RM and/or OS.

Really handy when someone has had an accident on-site and an ambulance
needs to be summoned (and the call centre gets their knickers in a twist
when you can't quote a postal address).

Maybe it has a postcode now, but I once sent letter to "The Martello
Tower, Aldeburgh", which no-one locally (let alone the postie) would be
unaware of. Even if in those days they'd probably have to do the last
couple of hundred yards on foot. https://goo.gl/maps/kXrMgD8M7Df6Uf15A
--
Roland Perry

In message <pfl20hho005g8gj70esdb5d77hlqjpukjk@4ax.com>, at 17:27:55 on
Mon, 7 Feb 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 16:37:05 +0000, ColinR
><rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On 07/02/2022 09:12, MB wrote:
>>> On 07/02/2022 07:15, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> Or non-existent; not all places have a postcode. I'm sure I've mentioned
>>>> the carriage washing machine in the sidings outside Cambridge Station
>>>> before.
>>>
>>> If it is location that does not receive post then the Postcode will be
>>> one covering a large area.
>>>
>>> We had a contract that required us to visit and audit one of the mobile
>>> phone companies' sites but all we were given was a Postcode and name. We
>>> kept asking for NGRs but it took some time for them to let us have
>>> them.  I think we convinced them after going to one site that was up in
>>> the cloud some distance from the road so not visible and access not
>>> obvious.
>>>
>>> I got Postcodes for all our own sites because some SatNavs use them and
>>> it would get you to the rough area and I had written out directions as
>>> well as copied a section of a large scale map.
>>
>>W3W does give a result of a small area (3m square?) when accurate. A
>>postcode can give a larger area. In my case, my postcode covers the
>>house 300 yards away to my west, but also the houses over 2 miles away
>>to the south.
>
>One of its other big advantages is that the app can give you your
>current W3W code, wherever in the world you are. It
>can't tell you the postcode.
>
>So, wherever you break down, have an accident or get stuck, you can
>soon notify others of your exact location.

Unless you've broken down on the wrong one of A14 or Girton Road.

https://goo.gl/maps/8t8A44Dex5JeXoaE7

Hint: W3W doesn't do vertical layers.
--
Roland Perry

In message <strcns$s7g$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:09:48 on Mon, 7 Feb 2022,
MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>On 07/02/2022 12:49, Roland Perry wrote:
>> The irony being that I'm sure the Highway Code says don't park close to
>> level crossings.
>
>I think I would have been inclined to report to Network Rail preferably
>with a photograph.
>
>There might be occasions when they do need to park there but it should
>be well marked with someone controlling traffic.
>
>If it was an emergency (barrier not working?) then I would think they
>should have blocked the road with their vehicle as a short term measure.

No, just routine maintenance. Which they seem to do a lot of around
there.

Maybe one of the reasons they are desperate to close the three
consecutive level crossings, despite the massive inconvenience to local
residents.
--
Roland Perry

On 08/02/2022 08:58, Roland Perry wrote:
> Really handy when someone has had an accident on-site and an ambulance
> needs to be summoned (and the call centre gets their knickers in a twist
> when you can't quote a postal address).

Years ago the North Wales fire service recommended leaving the NGR for
rural locations near the telephone after several incidents where they
had difficulty finding a location.

I once a problem with my car on the way into work, rang the helpline but
they could not find the postcode so eventually I gave the old name of
the site (before we were privatised) and the AA arrived within a couple
of minutes!

In message <j6ddd9Fk71aU1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:23:04 on Mon, 7 Feb
2022, Rupert Moss-Eccardt <nin@moss-eccardt.com> remarked:
>On 7 Feb 2022 11:47, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <stqo6l$apg$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:19:18 on Mon, 7 Feb 2022,
>> MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>>>On 07/02/2022 07:19, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> Are you seriously suggesting there are 24x7 bus lanes which also have
>>>> valid car parking spaces on them? even if the Highway Authority was
>>>> brain-dead enough to create such a monstrosity, you'd need to illegally
>>>> drive in the bus lane to park there, so that would defuse them
>>>> immediately.
>>>
>>>Would need to see the full regulations, you get some people who
>believe
>>>you can never cross double white lines - I impressed an instructor on
>a
>>>course when I listed the occasions when you can cross them. :-)
>>
>> ObRail: I sometimes cross double white lines on the approach to a level
>> crossing where they've parked a Network Rail van by the side of the
>> road, and it's the only way to get past.
>
>When I find that in my area, I park in safe place and get them to park
>in the official place. If they don't move I report them to the COSS.

So you agree it happens fairly frequently?
--
Roland Perry

In message <q4q10h5o7hlkmjqkkmsg61drjsnk5sg2bj@4ax.com>, at 10:01:21 on
Mon, 7 Feb 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked:

>>>An advertisement can be defaced or removed without notice if it does
>>>not identify the "person who displayed it" and their address. [s.225
>>>Town and Country Planning Act 1990].
>>
>>Under-citing again.
>>
>>First it needs some regulations (maybe everywhere has them, maybe they
>>don't - perhaps they've got regulations about fly-posting in their parks
>>and open spaces, not verges at the side of roads).
>>
>>It then goes on to say:
>>
>> "the local planning authority shall not exercise any power conferred
>> by subsection (1) unless ... <<they give notice>>"
>>
>>And the stuff about it "not giving an address" NOR "unable to ascertain
>>it after reasonable inquiry", is simply to cover the circumstances of
>>inability to deliver the necessary notices.
>>
>It is to deal with a common feature of fly-posting.

Most fly-posting is not anonymous, that rather defeats the objective.
"Come to our event, and we refuse to say who we are or where it is".

The council can therefore find the service address of the perpetrator
"after reasonable inquiry".

There's a fly-posting-advertised beer festival locally this weekend,
which is organised by the local branch of CAMRA, and although it only
specifies the venue in generic terms (rather than an address and
postcode) it wouldn't take long to track down who the organisers are.

They've even got a Facebook page!
--
Roland Perry

On 08/02/2022 09:05, Roland Perry wrote:
> No, just routine maintenance. Which they seem to do a lot of around
> there.
>
> Maybe one of the reasons they are desperate to close the three
> consecutive level crossings, despite the massive inconvenience to local
> residents.

If it was planned routine maintenance then they should have arranged
attendance of a traffic control contractor like other companies /
organisations.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <pfl20hho005g8gj70esdb5d77hlqjpukjk@4ax.com>, at 17:27:55 on
> Mon, 7 Feb 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 16:37:05 +0000, ColinR
>> <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/02/2022 09:12, MB wrote:
>>>> On 07/02/2022 07:15, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>> Or non-existent; not all places have a postcode. I'm sure I've mentioned
>>>>> the carriage washing machine in the sidings outside Cambridge Station
>>>>> before.
>>>>
>>>> If it is location that does not receive post then the Postcode will be
>>>> one covering a large area.
>>>>
>>>> We had a contract that required us to visit and audit one of the mobile
>>>> phone companies' sites but all we were given was a Postcode and name. We
>>>> kept asking for NGRs but it took some time for them to let us have
>>>> them.  I think we convinced them after going to one site that was up in
>>>> the cloud some distance from the road so not visible and access not
>>>> obvious.
>>>>
>>>> I got Postcodes for all our own sites because some SatNavs use them and
>>>> it would get you to the rough area and I had written out directions as
>>>> well as copied a section of a large scale map.
>>>
>>> W3W does give a result of a small area (3m square?) when accurate. A
>>> postcode can give a larger area. In my case, my postcode covers the
>>> house 300 yards away to my west, but also the houses over 2 miles away
>>> to the south.
>>
>> One of its other big advantages is that the app can give you your
>> current W3W code, wherever in the world you are. It
>> can't tell you the postcode.
>>
>> So, wherever you break down, have an accident or get stuck, you can
>> soon notify others of your exact location.
>
> Unless you've broken down on the wrong one of A14 or Girton Road.
>
> https://goo.gl/maps/8t8A44Dex5JeXoaE7
>
> Hint: W3W doesn't do vertical layers.

I suppose there's that risk with any road bridge — there will be many along
motorways and dual carriageways. Perhaps in such cases, the call centre
operator should ask one or two confirmatory questions?

I had a similar situation when I called an Uber from outside a station that
has entrances on both sides of the tracks. I had assumed that my location
would be transmitted accurately enough to identify exactly where I was
waiting, on the road outside one of the entrances, but apparently not.
Instead, the driver had been sent to the main entrance, on the other side,
about 60m away. The driver said that if you called from in or close to the
station, the system interprets that to mean the car should collect from the
main entrance.

In message <sttclu$con$2@dont-email.me>, at 09:21:02 on Tue, 8 Feb 2022,
MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>On 08/02/2022 09:05, Roland Perry wrote:

>> No, just routine maintenance. Which they seem to do a lot of around
>> there.

>> Maybe one of the reasons they are desperate to close the three
>> consecutive level crossings, despite the massive inconvenience to local
>> residents.
>
>If it was planned routine maintenance then they should have arranged
>attendance of a traffic control contractor like other companies /
>organisations.

I really wouldn't want to encourage them to do that. In any event, such
traffic control measures are usually only deployed if the works
themselves infringe on the highway, not if the workmen attending merely
decide to park their vans in a stupid place.
--
Roland Perry

In message <str1no$96e$4@dont-email.me>, at 12:02:01 on Mon, 7 Feb 2022,
MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>On 07/02/2022 10:01, Charles Ellson wrote:
>> Stickers are not always stuck on. Parking ticket envelopes are
>> commonly sticky-backed but usually merely secured under a windscreen
>> wiper (as they are deemed to be "attached" whether stuck on or not).
>> Most motorcycles don't have windscreen wipers thus requiring actual
>> attachment.
>
>We used to use various universities for an annual meeting. We were
>told at one place they covered the windows of illegally parked cars
>with No Parking stickers so the driver would have spend time removing
>them - probably hurt him more than a fine.

That's the classic case of vigilantism which is probably illegal under
criminal damage law.
--
Roland Perry

In message <strc20$10a8$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 14:58:08 on Mon, 7 Feb
2022, "hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk" <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> remarked:
>On 07/02/2022 12:02, MB wrote:
>> On 07/02/2022 10:01, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>> Stickers are not always stuck on. Parking ticket envelopes are
>>> commonly sticky-backed but usually merely secured under a windscreen
>>> wiper (as they are deemed to be "attached" whether stuck on or not).
>>> Most motorcycles don't have windscreen wipers thus requiring actual
>>> attachment.

>> We used to use various universities for an annual meeting.  We were
>>told at one place they covered the windows of illegally parked cars
>>with No Parking stickers so the driver would have spend time removing
>>them - probably hurt him more than a fine.
>>
>Some warm water normally takes care of that.

Not necessarily immediately available. And in any event the law tends to
discourage infringements of various kinds by the primary action
involved, not later remediation.

You could probably discount almost all littering law by saying "in the
time it takes you to write out a fixed penalty ticket, you could have
just as easily removed the offending item to that nearby litter bin".
--
Roland Perry