On 12:22 31 Jan 2022, Max Demian said:

> On 29/01/2022 21:11, Pamela wrote:
>> On 11:15 29 Jan 2022, Roderick Stewart said:
>
>>> I can honestly say I've never subscribed to Twitter. I wonder how
>>> long it will be possible to admit to being proud of that? The
>>> rambling subliterate pronouncements typical of its users appear to
>>> be something of a mainstay of some news outlets, which simply print
>>> screeds of it unedited on their websites, as if it were some sort
>>> of official policy or holy writ. Even the name doesn't sound
>>> serious.
>
>> You can safely stay away from Twitter and will not miss anything. It
>> is full of people tweeting away but almost no one there is
>> listening. It's not really like Usenet or web-based forums. Reading
>> twitter is like listening to a field full of grasshoppers and about
>> as informative, unless you regularly spend time there digging very
>> deeply.
>
> How about Reddit? Is that useable? How is it used? I've got accounts
> with Twitter and Reddit, but only because they offered to sign me up
> using my Google account when I happened to access a link to them with
> a browser that was logged into Google.

Reddit is a bit like Usenet. You post a question under a topic
heading and someone might answer. It isn't really a place for the
latest news nor to discover what a particular user has been saying.

On Monday, 31 January 2022 at 10:09:53 UTC, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> In article <j5h6va...@mid.individual.net>, williamwright
> <wrights...@f2s.com> wrote:
>
> > I think you're understating it. It is firm written BBC policy re climate
> > change that "the science is settled" so no discussion, even about
> > different amelioration methods,is allowed.
>
> They also regard it as settled in terms of science that the Earth orbits
> the Sun.
> Jim

And round not flat.

But there are still some in darkest Yorkshire who think it is.

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 16:01:44 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>On 27/01/2022 13:36, Mark Carver wrote:
>> Might fit in rather well with the rumours that BBC 4 is to be closed
>
>They would be better closing BBC Three, we keep being told that
>youngsters do not watch live TV channels.
I've always hated BBC3 - it seems to be aimed at teenagers but always
trying to make them behave better, because their education has been
inadequate. I'm sure its condescending attitude drives most teenagers
away.
--
Dave W

On 31/01/2022 18:43, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
> On Monday, 31 January 2022 at 10:09:53 UTC, Jim Lesurf wrote:
>> In article <j5h6va...@mid.individual.net>, williamwright
>> <wrights...@f2s.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think you're understating it. It is firm written BBC policy re climate
>>> change that "the science is settled" so no discussion, even about
>>> different amelioration methods,is allowed.
>>
>> They also regard it as settled in terms of science that the Earth orbits
>> the Sun.
>> Jim
>
> And round not flat.
>
> But there are still some in darkest Yorkshire who think it is.

I'm in Yorkshire, been here all my life. Never yet met anyone who thinks
the earth is flat. Hell of a lot though who think that the global
warming hypothesis is at best over-stated and at worst a massive scam.

What's more there's a lot round here who are mightily pissed off with
the BBC for other reasons as well. I think it's because we do tend to
think for ourselves, and we are natural sceptics.

Bill

On 31/01/2022 22:45, williamwright wrote:
>
> I'm in Yorkshire, been here all my life. Never yet met anyone who thinks
> the earth is flat. Hell of a lot though who think that the global
> warming hypothesis is at best over-stated and at worst a massive scam.
>
> What's more there's a lot round here who are mightily pissed off with
> the BBC for other reasons as well. I think it's because we do tend to
> think for ourselves, and we are natural sceptics.

Those two paragraphs are rather self-contradictory, if you thought for
yourselves, you'd find out enough about global warming to know that it's
real and happening. But then, there's nowt so blind as will not see.

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"williamwright" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote in message
news:j5r74fFl9hjU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 31/01/2022 18:43, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>> On Monday, 31 January 2022 at 10:09:53 UTC, Jim Lesurf wrote:
>>> In article <j5h6va...@mid.individual.net>, williamwright
>>> <wrights...@f2s.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think you're understating it. It is firm written BBC policy re
>>>> climate
>>>> change that "the science is settled" so no discussion, even about
>>>> different amelioration methods,is allowed.
>>>
>>> They also regard it as settled in terms of science that the Earth orbits
>>> the Sun.
>>> Jim
>>
>> And round not flat.
>>
>> But there are still some in darkest Yorkshire who think it is.
>
> I'm in Yorkshire, been here all my life. Never yet met anyone who thinks
> the earth is flat. Hell of a lot though who think that the global warming
> hypothesis is at best over-stated and at worst a massive scam.

How many coal-fired power stations do you have to close to equate to the
pollution from one Tongan volcanic eruption? I'm all for "every little
helps" but you start with the big offenders rather than getting everyone to
change their lightbulbs.

Do we in the UK have enough generating capacity to support the change from
petrol/diesel to electric cars and the gradual change from gas/oil for
central heating to electric heating via ground source? (Ground source is
fugly: I saw a house down the road from us which was having it fitted and
there are two enormous boxes about 10 feet square mounted on the wall of the
bungalow which cover most of the end wall of the house. It is also
eggs-in-one-basket: if the power fails, you are utterly buggered for
heating. At least gas continues to power our Aga (which heats the kitchen)
and we have a wood-burning stove with several years of wood from trees that
I have cut down or pruned, so we have some fall-back if the power goes off.

"Java Jive" <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:st9skt$3g0$1@dont-email.me...
> On 31/01/2022 22:45, williamwright wrote:
>>
>> I'm in Yorkshire, been here all my life. Never yet met anyone who thinks
>> the earth is flat. Hell of a lot though who think that the global warming
>> hypothesis is at best over-stated and at worst a massive scam.
>>
>> What's more there's a lot round here who are mightily pissed off with the
>> BBC for other reasons as well. I think it's because we do tend to think
>> for ourselves, and we are natural sceptics.
>
> Those two paragraphs are rather self-contradictory, if you thought for
> yourselves, you'd find out enough about global warming to know that it's
> real and happening. But then, there's nowt so blind as will not see.

I don't think there's much doubt that the earth is getting warmer at the
moment. But is this part of a long-term human-triggered trend or is it a
natural phase of the climate: will we get another 1800s-style "ice age" in
the future? And is the warming due to human effects that we can control or
to natural phenomena which we can't?

Every little helps, but we need to make damn sure that there is no
alternative before we rush headlong into closing coal/gas-fired power
stations and into replacing petrol/diesel cars (which have a long range and
quick "recharge time") with electric cars which have a range of only a
couple of hundred miles and a *very* long recharge time (*). Also there is
the capital cost of replacing tungsten lightbulbs with LED ones, of
replacing IC cars with electric, of replacing gas/oil central heating (which
works) with ground source heating which in my experience is unsightly (huge
heat exchanger box on the outside of the house), noisy (fan blowing tepid
air around the house) and ineffective. We are also at risk of placing all
our dependence for heating and travel on a single point of failure -
electricity - when we are closing coal/gas-fired power stations without
having enough generating capacity by wind/solar to cope with the enormous
increase in demand that electric cars and "electric heating" will need: one
long power cut and there is no way of keeping the house warm or cooking,
once gas (even for a fire in the lounge) is outlawed. We rely a lot on
"free" firewood from trees that I have pruned over the past few years (OK, I
know that source will eventually dry up) to supplement the central heating.

(*) Do we really want to have to factor in a long stop every 200 miles, and
maybe leaving the car in a public car park along way from the house if we're
staying somewhere that doesn't have its own charging point. By "long" I mean
anything longer than 10 mins for a pee, change-of-driver stop and (maybe)
petrol filling if needed.

"Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
news:fjvhvg15d72cjquq9a396cp46mpqoigu7o@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 09:16:34 -0000, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Do we in the UK have enough generating capacity to support the change from
>>petrol/diesel to electric cars and the gradual change from gas/oil for
>>central heating to electric heating via ground source?
>
> And do we have enough copper to upgrade all the distribution wiring,
> or any politicians who realise that we will need to?

Very true. Everyone gets home from work at about 5-6 PM, plugs in their car
to charge and turns on their electric ground-source heating. Can the wiring
cope? Maybe all the copper telephone cable that BT is wanting to replace
with fibre can be turned into (*) electricity cable ;-)

(*) I mean by melting down and making new cable, not just feeding mains down
telephone-grade copper wiring.

NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> "Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:fjvhvg15d72cjquq9a396cp46mpqoigu7o@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 09:16:34 -0000, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Do we in the UK have enough generating capacity to support the change from
>>> petrol/diesel to electric cars and the gradual change from gas/oil for
>>> central heating to electric heating via ground source?
>>
>> And do we have enough copper to upgrade all the distribution wiring,
>> or any politicians who realise that we will need to?
>
> Very true. Everyone gets home from work at about 5-6 PM, plugs in their car
> to charge and turns on their electric ground-source heating. Can the wiring
> cope? Maybe all the copper telephone cable that BT is wanting to replace
> with fibre can be turned into (*) electricity cable ;-)
>
>
> (*) I mean by melting down and making new cable, not just feeding mains down
> telephone-grade copper wiring.
>
>

Never mind global warming, we need to move to more home grown energy
sources, which mainly means renewables, for energy security. The current
hike in world gas prices and instability in Russia should be a lesson.

Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Never mind global warming, we need to move to more home grown energy
> sources, which mainly means renewables, for energy security. The current
> hike in world gas prices and instability in Russia should be a lesson.
>
Wind and solar *need* almost 100% backup with something that can come
on line when there's no sun (a good 70% to 80% of the time for much of
the year in the UK) and no wind which happens not infrequently (like
several days earlier in January).

So what 'home grown energy' is going to do the 'gap filling'?

--
Chris Green
·

Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Never mind global warming, we need to move to more home grown energy
>> sources, which mainly means renewables, for energy security. The current
>> hike in world gas prices and instability in Russia should be a lesson.
>>
> Wind and solar *need* almost 100% backup with something that can come
> on line when there's no sun (a good 70% to 80% of the time for much of
> the year in the UK) and no wind which happens not infrequently (like
> several days earlier in January).
>
> So what 'home grown energy' is going to do the 'gap filling'?
>

None, but having to fill your gaps with world traded gas is better than
being mostly reliant on it, which is largely where we are now. Don’t let
perfect be the enemy of good.

Tweed wrote:

> we need to move to more home grown energy sources

People complain we haven't go much gas storage; rather than manufacturing new
salt caverns, why not continue developing offshore gas fields, think of them as
storage that's sitting there, already full of gas?

Protestors were frightened of a few tiny earth tremors from fracking, yet coal
mining has caused plenty (and continues to cause them in ex-mining areas) even
the Eden project has caused an earthquake this year by drilling for geothermal
energy.

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Tweed wrote:
>
>> we need to move to more home grown energy sources
>
> People complain we haven't go much gas storage; rather than manufacturing new
> salt caverns, why not continue developing offshore gas fields, think of them as
> storage that's sitting there, already full of gas?
>
> Protestors were frightened of a few tiny earth tremors from fracking, yet coal
> mining has caused plenty (and continues to cause them in ex-mining areas) even
> the Eden project has caused an earthquake this year by drilling for geothermal
> energy.
>

We had a big offshore gas storage facility (Rough facility) but it needed a
big sum of money spending on it to plug leaks. UK government wouldn’t
underwrite the project, so it got closed and look where we are now.

I’ve just been looking at the various comments in the press from 2017 when
the facility’s closure was announced. There were quite a few staring we’d
be at the mercy of high prices in the event of supply shortages. The
government sources stated it would be just fine because we could import
loads of gas by tanker ship.

Energy security is very important and mostly ignored because we’ve had coal
and then North Sea gas and oil. Regardless of global warming, we can’t
carry on being mostly dependent on foreign supplies of energy.

In article <st9skt$3g0$1@dont-email.me>,
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 31/01/2022 22:45, williamwright wrote:
> >
> > I'm in Yorkshire, been here all my life. Never yet met anyone who
> > thinks the earth is flat.

No, me neither in the West Mids.

> > Hell of a lot though who think that the global warming hypothesis
> > is at best over-stated and at worst a massive scam.

Yes, same here. The BS almost entirely middle class lefties with an
agenda. When men stop believing in God they don't believe in nothing;
they believe in anything.

> > What's more there's a lot round here who are mightily pissed off
> > with the BBC for other reasons as well. I think it's because we
> > do tend to think for ourselves, and we are natural sceptics.

Yes again. We don't sit around clapping the BBC like seals in the zoo
here either, most see them for what they are: propaganda pushers.

> Those two paragraphs are rather self-contradictory, if you thought
> for yourselves, you'd find out enough about global warming to know
> that it's real and happening.

Where, I can't find it. I have seen very slightly milder winters but
nothing negative, all good and no proof it's caused by CO2 either
because it isn't. 7 years now without OVERALL warming but CO2
continues upwards.

There is proof the planet has more green than before and that is due
to CO2 being plant food.

Indeed the Office of National Statistics assessed deaths from extreme
cold/heat for the first two decades of this century. On average,
27,755 FEWER people die annually in England and Wales, mainly due to
warmer winters. The exact OPPOSITE of a CRISIS.

We must abandon our cars, boilers, holiday flights, freedoms to fix
this. We need the cold homes and the poverty of netzero so that
people die as fast as they used to - good plan.

This from the oh so caring left, half of whom call themselves
Conservatives.

Because we have a public subjected to propaganda and not education
from the the media we have a population who on the whole have no idea
how much of this killer, awful pollution CO2 is in the atmosphere.
On the rare occasions it's ever mentioned it will be in meaningless
but scary gigatonnes or very rarely just possibly 412ppm. Nothing
with any proportional meaning to the public like a percentage that
would increase understanding and do nothing for the fear/agenda.

Try asking people at random, the majority have no idea. Isn't that
strange, you would think with this being the crisis to end all crisis
everyone would know precisely how much of this killer was around, we
know how much covid there is. I thought the BBC was there to educate.

But honestly they don't. If you then tell them its a trace gas
0.0412% of the atmosphere be prepared for disbelief and have evidence
with you, or they will not accept it. They've not been educated,
they've been brainwashed.

Go on to tell them that around around 6% of that comes from burning
fossil fuels (FF) >50% from the oceans and 38% from breath
exhalation. Then crown it by saying that the UK produces around 1% of
the world's FF CO2.

So the great plan is to bankrupt Britain, put millions into fuel
poverty and cold homes, abandon boilers, cars and a life to reduce 1%
of the world's FF CO2 to zero. That's roughly 0.00003% of the
atmosphere and these lunatics believe it's changing the weather. I
presume they've not looked at the CO2 history of the world where for
most of history it was far higher that now and around 15 times higher
when life itself really burst out on the planet. We had an ice age
with CO2 far higher.

Having looked at the earth's CO2 history no one in their right mind
would think 0.00003% CO2 would make any difference and we know it
will not. So, they claim we need to set an example to China etc..
Yes, right. I can just imagine China's government looking at
Britain's disingenuous virtue signalling and saying, "So shamed by
what Britain is doing we must change now.". On what planet? They
would piss themselves laughing at our utter stupidity.

Prophecies of climate doom are now 50 years old and there is still
nothing anywhere negative happening. Not one fantasy climate story
has ever got close, it's always act now or catastrophe but they don't
happen - ever. They are as useless as a Neil Ferguson prediction.

Dozens of them have expired unfulfilled but never with an apology or
admission. Even Prince Charles did it at least once and he's at it
again.

Oh yes, there are stories like fires or winds or sea level or coral
lapped up with glee by the BBC. But then within a short time we get
the truth, evidence from scientists that shows in every case it's
rubbish. Arson, lack of maintenance done for decades, graph
manipulation and polar bears are in greater numbers than ever. But of
course, the BBC doesn't show the counter position, that would be how
to do science and education. They just want another scare story to
push a communist agenda.

> But then, there's nowt so blind as will not see.

The spoilt, privileged, middle class left spend all their time
inventing problems that don't exist and imposing their solution on
the rest of us whilst virtue signalling. How many genders do we have
today folks? A labour leader that doesn't know what a woman is.

The left have dragged us to edge of insanity and are still pulling,
where even the meaning of words is being changed. and anyone who
argues is cancelled. Free speech nearly removed, watch how I'll be
personally attacked for this. Not far from book burning now.

Bob.

Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
> > Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Never mind global warming, we need to move to more home grown energy
> >> sources, which mainly means renewables, for energy security. The current
> >> hike in world gas prices and instability in Russia should be a lesson.
> >>
> > Wind and solar *need* almost 100% backup with something that can come
> > on line when there's no sun (a good 70% to 80% of the time for much of
> > the year in the UK) and no wind which happens not infrequently (like
> > several days earlier in January).
> >
> > So what 'home grown energy' is going to do the 'gap filling'?
> >
>
> None, but having to fill your gaps with world traded gas is better than
> being mostly reliant on it, which is largely where we are now. Don’t let
> perfect be the enemy of good.
>
If we had invested in (very clean and very safe) nuclear power we
wouldn't have such deep gaps to fill. Yes, I know this is hindsight
but some foresight now would suggest more investment in clean base
power generation and wind/sun isn't it.

--
Chris Green
·

Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Never mind global warming, we need to move to more home grown energy
>>>> sources, which mainly means renewables, for energy security. The current
>>>> hike in world gas prices and instability in Russia should be a lesson.
>>>>
>>> Wind and solar *need* almost 100% backup with something that can come
>>> on line when there's no sun (a good 70% to 80% of the time for much of
>>> the year in the UK) and no wind which happens not infrequently (like
>>> several days earlier in January).
>>>
>>> So what 'home grown energy' is going to do the 'gap filling'?
>>>
>>
>> None, but having to fill your gaps with world traded gas is better than
>> being mostly reliant on it, which is largely where we are now. Don’t let
>> perfect be the enemy of good.
>>
> If we had invested in (very clean and very safe) nuclear power we
> wouldn't have such deep gaps to fill. Yes, I know this is hindsight
> but some foresight now would suggest more investment in clean base
> power generation and wind/sun isn't it.
>

We probably need a mix of both. Fission isn’t proving to be a very cheap
form of electricity, so there’s a cost in getting that base load. SMRs are
being touted as the way forwards, but they aren’t yet proven in the field
at scale and will doubtless come with their own undiscovered issues and
costs. Unfortunately decades of let the market decide policy has done just
that, and the market is extracting money from our wallets handsomely.

In article <a9hnci-lf7n1.ln1@esprimo.zbmc.eu>,
Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

> If we had invested in (very clean and very safe) nuclear power we
> wouldn't have such deep gaps to fill. Yes, I know this is hindsight
> but some foresight now would suggest more investment in clean base
> power generation and wind/sun isn't it.

+1

Bob.

On 01/02/2022 11:11, Bob Latham wrote:
> Yes, same here. The BS almost entirely middle class lefties with an
> agenda. When men stop believing in God they don't believe in nothing;
> they believe in anything.

The best example I remember was someone who said that if you go to the
appropriate authorities and ask for a grant to study the breeding habits
of squirrels in South East England then you will be unlikely to get
anything. But ask for a grant to study the effect of "global warming"
on the breeding habits of squirrels in South East England then they will
be queuing up to give you money.

Tweed wrote:

> We had a big offshore gas storage facility (Rough facility) but it needed a
> big sum of money spending on it to plug leaks. UK government wouldn’t
> underwrite the project, so it got closed and look where we are now.

Yes I know that, but there's undeveloped gas sitting out there waiting to be
"dug up" which we've agreed to leave in place, while we buy expensive gas from
other countries instead.

> I’ve just been looking at the various comments in the press from 2017 when
> the facility’s closure was announced. There were quite a few staring we’d
> be at the mercy of high prices in the event of supply shortages. The
> government sources stated it would be just fine because we could import
> loads of gas by tanker ship.
>
> Energy security is very important and mostly ignored because we’ve had coal
> and then North Sea gas and oil. Regardless of global warming, we can’t
> carry on being mostly dependent on foreign supplies of energy.

On 01/02/2022 09:36, NY wrote:
> I don't think there's much doubt that the earth is getting warmer at the
> moment.

As it has many times in the past.

We keep seeing headlines about the warmest, coldest or wettest "on
record" without saying that records do not go back very far. They can
estimate further back but then the figures become easily manipulated for
political reasons.

On Monday, 31 January 2022 at 22:45:39 UTC, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
> On 31/01/2022 18:43, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
> > On Monday, 31 January 2022 at 10:09:53 UTC, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> >> In article <j5h6va...@mid.individual.net>, williamwright
> >> <wrights...@f2s.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think you're understating it. It is firm written BBC policy re climate
> >>> change that "the science is settled" so no discussion, even about
> >>> different amelioration methods,is allowed.
> >>
> >> They also regard it as settled in terms of science that the Earth orbits
> >> the Sun.
> >> Jim
> >
> > And round not flat.
> >
> > But there are still some in darkest Yorkshire who think it is.
> I'm in Yorkshire, been here all my life. Never yet met anyone who thinks
> the earth is flat. Hell of a lot though who think that the global
> warming hypothesis is at best over-stated and at worst a massive scam.
>
> What's more there's a lot round here who are mightily pissed off with
> the BBC for other reasons as well. I think it's because we do tend to
> think for ourselves, and we are natural sceptics.
>
> Bill

The principle town of Yorkshire is of course York and it keeps getting flooded more and more often - still nowt to do with global warming.
similarly
Huge queues of lorries at the channel ports, empty shelves at the supermarkets, trawlers tied up in Hull, food prices soaring - still nowt to do with Brexit
and so on

Do yourself a favour Bill and stop living in denial.

In article <j5skj7Fteh8U1@mid.individual.net>,
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> Yes I know that, but there's undeveloped gas sitting out there
> waiting to be "dug up" which we've agreed to leave in place, while
> we buy expensive gas from other countries instead.

Exactly so. Having energy people can afford is far less important
than virtue signalling.

Bob.

On Tuesday, 1 February 2022 at 09:41:18 UTC, NY wrote:
> "Roderick Stewart" <rj...@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:fjvhvg15d72cjquq9...@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 09:16:34 -0000, "NY" <m...@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >>Do we in the UK have enough generating capacity to support the change from
> >>petrol/diesel to electric cars and the gradual change from gas/oil for
> >>central heating to electric heating via ground source?
> >
> > And do we have enough copper to upgrade all the distribution wiring,
> > or any politicians who realise that we will need to?
> Very true. Everyone gets home from work at about 5-6 PM, plugs in their car
> to charge and turns on their electric ground-source heating.

All but the most profligate would recharge their car overnight from economy 7 and from a regular 13A socket (enough for about 200 miles in an electric car). In due course I expect smart meters to allow even cheaper electricity from a discretionary supply (so demand can be phased).

> Can the wiring cope?

Generally yes, our supply has a 100A company fuse. Where there is a lot of new build the sub stations might need an upgrade..

> Maybe all the copper telephone cable that BT is wanting to replace
> with fibre can be turned into (*) electricity cable ;-)
>

Ours is aluminium*, but even a 32 core cable does not contain that much copper. OTOH it WILL be salvaged as it is literally withdrawn from ducts.

>
> (*) I mean by melting down and making new cable, not just feeding mains down
> telephone-grade copper wiring.

& and so the cause of frequent underground faults.

In article <226a5334-30c9-42f2-a40c-dae441ee97den@googlegroups.com>,
R. Mark Clayton <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:

> The principle town of Yorkshire is of course York and it keeps
> getting flooded more and more often - still nowt to do with global
> warming.

Correct. Flooding has always happened, if it happens more these days
It's usually to do with river dredging not be done as it once was.

> similarly
> Huge queues of lorries at the channel ports,

Yes, that's called EU spite from our friends and partners across the
channel.

> empty shelves at the supermarkets,

Very little of that in my supermarkets in fact my wife has just had
an email from Tesco about her delivery for this afternoon. All item
in stock and no substitutions. Would you like me to post the email?

There is quite a bit of that in the USA apparently, is that Brexit
too?

> trawlers tied up in Hull,

Really?

> food prices soaring

The price of everything is soaring, it's called inflation. Inflation
is a disease caused by governments spending money they don't have.
Usually high in Labour periods of gov for precisely that reason. This
time due to conservatives wasting billions due to covid.

> - still nowt to do with Brexit and so on

Very, very little if anything. You're simply seeing what you want to
see, not what's there.

> Do yourself a favour Bill and stop living in denial.

Ha.

Bob.

In article <f6079de8-1b82-4c25-9f10-50715c744886n@googlegroups.com>, R.
Mark Clayton <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, 1 February 2022 at 09:41:18 UTC, NY wrote:
> > "Roderick Stewart" <rj...@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:fjvhvg15d72cjquq9...@4ax.com...
> > > On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 09:16:34 -0000, "NY" <m...@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > >>Do we in the UK have enough generating capacity to support the change
> > >>from petrol/diesel to electric cars and the gradual change from
> > >>gas/oil for central heating to electric heating via ground source?
> > >
> > > And do we have enough copper to upgrade all the distribution wiring,
> > > or any politicians who realise that we will need to?
> > Very true. Everyone gets home from work at about 5-6 PM, plugs in their
> > car to charge and turns on their electric ground-source heating.

> All but the most profligate would recharge their car overnight from
> economy 7 and from a regular 13A socket (enough for about 200 miles in an
> electric car).

I charge at 24 miles per hour on a 32A feed. That would drop to about 10
miles per hour on a 13 A feed. 200 miles would take 20 hours!

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