On 19.8.23 12:09 am, SteveW wrote:
> On 18/08/2023 09:22, alan_m wrote:
>> On 18/08/2023 08:22, Paul Herber wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That's the difference. Women hoard rubbish, men keep useful stuff just
>>> in case.
>>
>> In my younger days and when I was struggling financially after buying a
>> property I did overdo the keeping of just in case items.
>>
>> These days it's very much the case of not keeping too much of things I'm
>> unlikely to use again and periodically going through and disposing of
>> items I haven't used in years.
>
> The trouble with that is that on so many occasions, I have thrown stuff
> out because it has sat around for 10 or 20 years and then while doing
> something a week or two later, suddenly thought "That xxxx will do the
> job. Damn, I just through it out!"
>

That's one of Henson's Laws.

Henson’s Law of Usefulness

The usefulness of a given object varies directly as the square of the
distance between the point at which the object was discarded and the
refuse collection vehicle. It also varies directly as the length of time
for which it was previously stored.

--
Tetbury, Gloucestershire , UK

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RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
> On 18 Aug 2023 at 14:14:34 BST, Theo wrote:
>
> >> Years ago, my mother got an electric carving knife - she found it to be
> >> useless for carving, but I found that it was ideal for cutting and
> >> shaping foam.
> >
> > That's one recommended tool for PIR foam insulation board.
> >
> > Although you probably want to make a jig for precision cuts if you need an
> > interference fit (Gapotape looks like a good idea there, I've not tried it).
>
> Good idea - but it'd hike the price of insulation at about £1/metre - £150 for
> a 4m x 3m suspended timber floor?

They make you buy 50m boxes, the remainder of which can sometimes be had on
ebay for less.

> Think I'll stick with foam.

Foam is fine if you don't need it to be removable, and if you have a good
technique so the whole depth of the gap is covered.

Theo

Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:
> You could have put the entire mattress up there, as extra loft
> insulation :-)

Somebody had installed a manky duvet in my loft as insulation...

On 19/08/2023 10:24, Theo wrote:
> Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> You could have put the entire mattress up there, as extra loft
>> insulation :-)
>
> Somebody had installed a manky duvet in my loft as insulation...

Around 30 years ago I had an elderly neighbour and when his house was
sold the new owners found the loft to be packed high with the white
expanding foam used for packing around equipment. It had all been
cut/ripped up into 1 foot square chunks and just randomly thrown over
most of the loft floor. Not only did they have two large skips but also
endless trips to the local tip with bagged foam filling their car.

The skips were also used to dispose of some heavy garden rubbish. Much
like my property I purchased 10 years previous to this, the estate agent
described the property and having many period features and was in need
of some modernisation. This was code for hadn't been maintained for 30
years and required gutting.

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On 18/08/2023 21:23, Tim Lamb wrote:

> 05/11/2023 is coming..

Midnight (12ish hours ago) someone set off some very large noisy
fireworks near where I live. The run up to 5th Nov has already started :)

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On 18/08/2023 23:02, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 18-Aug-23 10:49, Clive Arthur wrote:
>> On 18/08/2023 09:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> I find a skip every 5 years is optimal. They may take mattresses too.
>>
>> In my sister's experience - she lives in London - putting a skip
>> outside your house will act as a mattress magnet, leaving little room
>> for your own waste.
>
> Market opportunity for skips with lockable lids?
>
They exist

On 19-Aug-23 12:14, alan_m wrote:
> On 18/08/2023 21:23, Tim Lamb wrote:
>
>> 05/11/2023 is coming..
>
> Midnight (12ish hours ago) someone set off some very large noisy
> fireworks near where I live. The run up to 5th Nov has already started :)

It could have been a left-over from last year.

--
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On 19/08/2023 00:06, SteveW wrote:
> On 17/08/2023 20:11, SH wrote:
>> On 17/08/2023 20:02, alan_m wrote:
>>> On 17/08/2023 18:44, SH wrote:
>>>> On 17/08/2023 18:29, GB wrote:
>>>>> I bought a new mattress from Emma, and very foolishly I didn't take
>>>>> up their offer (for £45) to dispose of the old mattress.
>>>>>
>>>>> The good news is that I could saw up the old foam mattress into
>>>>> reasonable size chunks that will eventually go in the wheelie bin.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's the end of the good news.
>>>>>
>>>>> The bad news is so plentiful that it's hard to know where to begin.
>>>>>
>>>>> The old mattress is 1 cubic metre. But, when it comes to fitting it
>>>>> into the bin, it's more like 3 m3.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, the mess! OMG! The mess!
>>>>>
>>>>> I am blessed with a particularly kind and lovely spouse, but this
>>>>> has taxed her patience.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Angle grinder?   :-D
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some councils offer a large item collection service.
>>>
>>> +1
>>> My local council will collect a single/double mattress for a £10 fee
>>> and thereafter £7 for any other bulky item collected at the same time
>>> (max 5 items)
>>>
>>>
>>>> I got rid of 2 double mattresses for £20 all in (Northants) and the
>>>> council will collect up to 3 items. They will not collect fridges or
>>>> freezers.
>>>
>>> My council (or more  correctly their refuse contractor) will collect
>>> fridges/freezers for the same fee. These items must be defrosted and
>>> shelves removed.
>>>
>>> I'm in the process of purchasing a new fridge and the above charges
>>> are under half what the retailer wants for removal of the old fridge.
>>>
>>> My local tip will also accept bulky items such as mattresses without
>>> a fee if you can transport it there yourself in a car or car towed
>>> trailer. No commercial waste allowed and the tip now has automatic
>>> car number plate recognition, presumably to track the number of visits.
>>>
>>
>> Its the same here in Northants. Domestic users now have to register
>> for a trailer permit before arriving with a trailer and you are
>> allowed 3 trailer visits for each 12 months that the permit is valid for.
>>
>> The trailer permit is free (currently)
>>
>> There appears to be no limit on trailer size or an allowance for more
>> visits with smaller trailers.
>
> Here in Trafford, we can make 52 visits a year with a car (as we have
> more than one car, we could do a lot more, but I haven't actually
> visited for months).
>
> Single axle trailers need no permit and are just part of the 52 visits.
>
> Twin axle trailers and vans (non-commercial waste) are allowed 13 (IIRC)
> visits per year and do require pre-registration.
>
> What has become more of a problem is plasterboard or asbestos roof
> sheets. They used to be accepted at most of the tips, but now there is
> only a single one. It is still free to access for the public, despite
> being a commercial waste site, however, it is only open 9 to 5, Monday
> to Friday (when most people can't go); is appointment only; and users
> must wear safety boots, hard-hat and hi-viz vest.
>
>

But no FFP3 mask to keep out the asbestos fibres blowing
about as you unload it.

Burgess Hill (West Sussex) is the only place where asbestos
- cement products can be taken in Sussex, but they MUST be
double wrapped in heavy gauge polythene.

On 19/08/2023 08:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/08/2023 00:06, SteveW wrote:
>> On 17/08/2023 20:11, SH wrote:
>>> On 17/08/2023 20:02, alan_m wrote:
>>>> On 17/08/2023 18:44, SH wrote:
>>>>> On 17/08/2023 18:29, GB wrote:
>>>>>> I bought a new mattress from Emma, and very foolishly I didn't
>>>>>> take up their offer (for £45) to dispose of the old mattress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The good news is that I could saw up the old foam mattress into
>>>>>> reasonable size chunks that will eventually go in the wheelie bin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's the end of the good news.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bad news is so plentiful that it's hard to know where to begin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The old mattress is 1 cubic metre. But, when it comes to fitting
>>>>>> it into the bin, it's more like 3 m3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, the mess! OMG! The mess!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am blessed with a particularly kind and lovely spouse, but this
>>>>>> has taxed her patience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Angle grinder?   :-D
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Some councils offer a large item collection service.
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>> My local council will collect a single/double mattress for a £10 fee
>>>> and thereafter £7 for any other bulky item collected at the same
>>>> time (max 5 items)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I got rid of 2 double mattresses for £20 all in (Northants) and the
>>>>> council will collect up to 3 items. They will not collect fridges
>>>>> or freezers.
>>>>
>>>> My council (or more  correctly their refuse contractor) will collect
>>>> fridges/freezers for the same fee. These items must be defrosted and
>>>> shelves removed.
>>>>
>>>> I'm in the process of purchasing a new fridge and the above charges
>>>> are under half what the retailer wants for removal of the old fridge.
>>>>
>>>> My local tip will also accept bulky items such as mattresses without
>>>> a fee if you can transport it there yourself in a car or car towed
>>>> trailer. No commercial waste allowed and the tip now has automatic
>>>> car number plate recognition, presumably to track the number of visits.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Its the same here in Northants. Domestic users now have to register
>>> for a trailer permit before arriving with a trailer and you are
>>> allowed 3 trailer visits for each 12 months that the permit is valid
>>> for.
>>>
>>> The trailer permit is free (currently)
>>>
>>> There appears to be no limit on trailer size or an allowance for more
>>> visits with smaller trailers.
>>
>> Here in Trafford, we can make 52 visits a year with a car (as we have
>> more than one car, we could do a lot more, but I haven't actually
>> visited for months).
>>
>> Single axle trailers need no permit and are just part of the 52 visits.
>>
>> Twin axle trailers and vans (non-commercial waste) are allowed 13
>> (IIRC) visits per year and do require pre-registration.
>>
>> What has become more of a problem is plasterboard or asbestos roof
>> sheets. They used to be accepted at most of the tips, but now there is
>> only a single one. It is still free to access for the public, despite
>> being a commercial waste site, however, it is only open 9 to 5, Monday
>> to Friday (when most people can't go); is appointment only; and users
>> must wear safety boots, hard-hat and hi-viz vest.
>>
>>
> Plasterboad is ok if you hire a skip although there is a surcharge.
> Small amounts you just cut it up and put it in the normal bin over a
> period of weeks.

Utterly unacceptable. Plasterboard gypsum reacts with other leachates
and then can emit toxic gases.

> Asbestos? well there are places that take it, but frankly just bury it
> on a dark night somewhere.
>
>
>

On 17/08/2023 20:02, alan_m wrote:

>
> I'm in the process of purchasing a new fridge and the above charges are
> under half what the retailer wants for removal of the old fridge.
>

We've got very efficient Pikeys where I live. Leave it out at night and
it's gone by the morning. (Not mattresses though)

--
Cheers,
Roger

Roger Mills wrote:

> alan_m wrote:
>
>> I'm in the process of purchasing a new fridge and the above charges
>> are under half what the retailer wants for removal of the old fridge.
>
> We've got very efficient Pikeys where I live. Leave it out at night and
> it's gone by the morning. (Not mattresses though)

I thought pikeys weren't keen on fridges either? (Not enough worthwhile
metals).

On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 08:06:30 UTC+1, Colin Bignell wrote:
> Following a burst pipe before Christmas, my female neighbour had to move
> out and have the house cleared. It required more than 30 skips to clear,
> mostly of rubbish she had hoarded.

I worry about when I die.

Fortunately I've left my lovingly curated treasures to someone with several houses and at least one cellar, so he should have room for them.

Owain

On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 12:54:12 UTC+1, Robin wrote:
> A mattress left outside on a breezy day could just happen to fall on the
> coals of a barbecue

I remember my dad putting all the old foam cushions on the garden brazier.

Really surprised we didn't get the brigade turning up in full haz-mat gear because of the smoke.

Owain

On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 17:18:57 UTC+1, Andrew wrote:
> You could have put the entire mattress up there, as extra loft
> insulation :-)

Would a foam mattress feed through a garden chipper?

Owai

On 19/08/2023 20:01, Andrew wrote:
> On 19/08/2023 08:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

>> Plasterboad is ok if you hire a skip although there is a surcharge.
>> Small amounts you just cut it up and put it in the normal bin over a
>> period of weeks.
>
> Utterly unacceptable. Plasterboard gypsum reacts with other leachates
> and then can emit toxic gases.
>
Oh dear. Is that why they treat soil with gypsum?

>> Asbestos? well there are places that take it, but frankly just bury it
>> on a dark night somewhere.

You are a snowflake and claim my country back.

--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

On 2023-08-19, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> You could have put the entire mattress up there, as extra loft
>> insulation :-)
>
> Somebody had installed a manky duvet in my loft as insulation...

When we moved in this house, the water tank in the loft was insulated
with an old duvet. So, when we got a new duvet, I used the old one as
additional insulation.
--
thenoo

On 2023-08-19, Roger Mills <mills37.fslife@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 17/08/2023 20:02, alan_m wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm in the process of purchasing a new fridge and the above charges are
>> under half what the retailer wants for removal of the old fridge.
>>
>
> We've got very efficient Pikeys where I live. Leave it out at night and
> it's gone by the morning. (Not mattresses though)

This is how we got rid of our old washing machine a few weeks ago. Left
out in the evening, it was gone by 10 a.m. next day. Except that it was
two Asians in a red van.
--
thenoo

On 8/20/2023 5:28 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/08/2023 20:01, Andrew wrote:
>> On 19/08/2023 08:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>>> Plasterboad is ok if you hire a skip although there is a surcharge. Small amounts you just cut it up and put it in the normal bin over a period of weeks.
>>
>> Utterly unacceptable. Plasterboard gypsum reacts with other leachates
>> and then can emit toxic gases.
>>
> Oh dear. Is that why they treat soil with gypsum?

You're forgetting there are two kinds of Plasterboard gypsum.

The normal kind (suitable for soil amendment).

And the toxic kind.

Sample articles.

https://www.househealthhome.com/healthy-home-guides/is-gypsum-plasterboard-toxic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_drywall

You can take just about anything, and pack it into a board. And... "nobody will know".

Paul

On 19/08/2023 19:58, Andrew wrote:
> On 19/08/2023 00:06, SteveW wrote:
>> On 17/08/2023 20:11, SH wrote:
>>> On 17/08/2023 20:02, alan_m wrote:
>>>> On 17/08/2023 18:44, SH wrote:
>>>>> On 17/08/2023 18:29, GB wrote:
>>>>>> I bought a new mattress from Emma, and very foolishly I didn't
>>>>>> take up their offer (for £45) to dispose of the old mattress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The good news is that I could saw up the old foam mattress into
>>>>>> reasonable size chunks that will eventually go in the wheelie bin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's the end of the good news.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bad news is so plentiful that it's hard to know where to begin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The old mattress is 1 cubic metre. But, when it comes to fitting
>>>>>> it into the bin, it's more like 3 m3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, the mess! OMG! The mess!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am blessed with a particularly kind and lovely spouse, but this
>>>>>> has taxed her patience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Angle grinder?   :-D
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Some councils offer a large item collection service.
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>> My local council will collect a single/double mattress for a £10 fee
>>>> and thereafter £7 for any other bulky item collected at the same
>>>> time (max 5 items)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I got rid of 2 double mattresses for £20 all in (Northants) and the
>>>>> council will collect up to 3 items. They will not collect fridges
>>>>> or freezers.
>>>>
>>>> My council (or more  correctly their refuse contractor) will collect
>>>> fridges/freezers for the same fee. These items must be defrosted and
>>>> shelves removed.
>>>>
>>>> I'm in the process of purchasing a new fridge and the above charges
>>>> are under half what the retailer wants for removal of the old fridge.
>>>>
>>>> My local tip will also accept bulky items such as mattresses without
>>>> a fee if you can transport it there yourself in a car or car towed
>>>> trailer. No commercial waste allowed and the tip now has automatic
>>>> car number plate recognition, presumably to track the number of visits.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Its the same here in Northants. Domestic users now have to register
>>> for a trailer permit before arriving with a trailer and you are
>>> allowed 3 trailer visits for each 12 months that the permit is valid
>>> for.
>>>
>>> The trailer permit is free (currently)
>>>
>>> There appears to be no limit on trailer size or an allowance for more
>>> visits with smaller trailers.
>>
>> Here in Trafford, we can make 52 visits a year with a car (as we have
>> more than one car, we could do a lot more, but I haven't actually
>> visited for months).
>>
>> Single axle trailers need no permit and are just part of the 52 visits.
>>
>> Twin axle trailers and vans (non-commercial waste) are allowed 13
>> (IIRC) visits per year and do require pre-registration.
>>
>> What has become more of a problem is plasterboard or asbestos roof
>> sheets. They used to be accepted at most of the tips, but now there is
>> only a single one. It is still free to access for the public, despite
>> being a commercial waste site, however, it is only open 9 to 5, Monday
>> to Friday (when most people can't go); is appointment only; and users
>> must wear safety boots, hard-hat and hi-viz vest.
>>
>>
>
> But no FFP3 mask to keep out the asbestos fibres blowing
> about as you unload it.

There should be no need for that, as it is required to be double bagged.

> Burgess Hill (West Sussex) is the only place where asbestos
> - cement products can be taken in Sussex, but they MUST be
> double wrapped in heavy gauge polythene.

Same as here.

On 18/08/2023 20:11, Tim+ wrote:
> If you have a car you can always just strap it to the roof to take it to
> the tip. No roof rack needed. If that doesn’t appeal, a couple of ratchet
> straps will compress it into something that will fit in most hatchbacks.

I've done this. I decided to wait for a dry day, so I could leave the
windows open, and I was only slightly concerned that the ratchet strap
across the roof inside was holding the doors shut with me inside.

Andy

On 22/08/2023 21:26, Vir Campestris wrote:
> On 18/08/2023 20:11, Tim+ wrote:
>> If you have a car you can always just strap it to the roof to take it to
>> the tip.  No roof rack needed.  If that doesn’t appeal, a couple of
>> ratchet
>> straps will compress it into something that will fit in most hatchbacks.
>
> I've done this. I decided to wait for a dry day, so I could leave the
> windows open, and I was only slightly concerned that the ratchet strap
> across the roof inside was holding the doors shut with me inside.

You should be able to strap it down with the driver's door open and than
close the door, leaving it free to be opened.