In message <Jyz*y13ly@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, at 11:30:59 on Mon,
7 Jun 2021, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> OK, I see now.
>>
>> OUT: Christs Hospital to Weymouth via Southampton.
>>
>> (Yacht to Havant)
>>
>> Havant to Southampton <<-- will require an extra single ticket
>>
>> RET: Southampton to Havant with cycle (but no reservation possible)
>> Havant to Christs Hospital
>
>In other words, a period return Christ's Hospital to Weymouth, which you
>only use for Southampton-Christ's Hospital on the way back. Then add a
>Havant to Southampton day ticket.
>
>Depending on the period return you pick, if you avoid 'via Barnham' tickets
>this also allows you to go Southampton to Christ's Hospital via Clapham
>Junction if you so desire. (possibly easier if the route via Havant
>includes a bus)

Only if there's planned maintenance (but something to check in any
event, especially as you can't take bikes on rail-replacement buses)

>I haven't checked ticket prices for any of this, mind.

You need to: the "via Barnham" tickets are *substantially* cheaper.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <s9f9pc$kds$1@dont-email.me>, at 07:40:28 on Sat, 5 Jun 2021,
> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <uaalbgd09ttr60sjjmc37jcbc8f7l4ng33@4ax.com>, at 17:39:23 on
>>> Fri, 4 Jun 2021, Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> remarked:
>>>
>>>>> Could you please translate into English ? We are not all familiar with
>>>>> which three-letter code corresponds to each station, even in our local
>>>>> areas.
>>>
>>> Pretty much every OJP (sorry), and info sites such as National Rail,
>>> will accept the codes.
>>>
>>> CHH = Christs Hospital (Chichester = CCH)
>>
>> Writing them in full the first time they're mentioned, particularly where
>> not obvious from the context, is useful. It’s something I try to do (if I
>> don't, please remind me!).
>
> The one which trips people here up the most is East Midlands (airport) =
> EMA; East Midlands (parkway station) = EMD.

We’ve got one like that here too:
EDI = Edinburgh International Airport
EDB = Edinburgh Waverley railway station

Sam

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Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> [snip]
> Nevertheless, my first port of call in an attempt to assist would be:
>
> https://www.brfares.com/!fares?orig=CHH&dest=WEY
>
> ...where CCH is quicker to type anyway!

Typo or some kind of autocorrect?

Sam

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Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <s9fgm4$bu8$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:38:12 on Sat, 5 Jun 2021,
>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <s9f9pc$kds$1@dont-email.me>, at 07:40:28 on Sat, 5 Jun 2021,
>>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <uaalbgd09ttr60sjjmc37jcbc8f7l4ng33@4ax.com>, at 17:39:23 on
>>>>>>> Fri, 4 Jun 2021, Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> remarked:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Could you please translate into English ? We are not all familiar with
>>>>>>>>> which three-letter code corresponds to each station, even in our local
>>>>>>>>> areas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pretty much every OJP (sorry), and info sites such as National Rail,
>>>>>>> will accept the codes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CHH = Christs Hospital (Chichester = CCH)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Writing them in full the first time they're mentioned, particularly where
>>>>>> not obvious from the context, is useful. It’s something I try to do (if I
>>>>>> don't, please remind me!).
>>>>>
>>>>> The one which trips people here up the most is East Midlands (airport) =
>>>>> EMA; East Midlands (parkway station) = EMD.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's the same with the airport codes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's an App For That. Seriously, it was one of the first I got back
>>>>>>> in perhaps 2011. 'Airport ID IATA' gets almost all 5* ratings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Similarly, if you want the average reader to understand what you're on
>>>>>> about, making them refer to an app or website is likely to be unhelpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Average readers are goat herders now? Interesting.
>>>>
>>>> I'd suggest that the average reader is unlikely to know airport/station
>>>> codes beyond the popular ones and their local/frequently used ones; and
>>>> speaking for myself at least, if I don't know and they're not explained at
>>>> first use, the thread has to already be of interest to me in order for me
>>>> to look them up. If it's not, swipe to the next post.
>>>
>>> Unless I'm mistaken, you read on a smartphone (so haven't got your
>>> boy-scout goat herder badge yet). It'd be two clicks to pull up an app
>>> to translate them. Or are phones not as easy to use as people claim?
>>>
>>> In this instance the OP is clearly asking for local knowledge otherwise
>>> he could get the Anytime prices himself from any number of sources. It's
>>> therefore more likely that such locals will know the codes, although I'm
>>> happy to admit that Christ's Hospital is a new one for me.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, my first port of call in an attempt to assist would be:
>>>
>>> https://www.brfares.com/!fares?orig=CHH&dest=WEY
>>>
>>> ...where CCH is quicker to type anyway!
>>>
>>> Off peak period return (via Barnham) £22.75, should be OK not to use
>>> the Weymouth-Havant leg.
>>>
>>> No bike reservations possible, only two spaces, it's not clear what
>>> happens when the third bike arrives.
>>
>> It’s considered good practice in technical/scientific writing to fully
>> define an acronym/abbreviation the first time it is used.
>>
>> “Luton Airport (LTN) is an airport north of London. LTN is mainly used by
>> low cost airlines.”
>>
>>
>
> Maybe I'll start throwing in ELRs without context just for fun ;)

I’ll maybe use some opportunistic ETLAs to stir things up.

Sam

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In message <s9l3ue$sbt$2@dont-email.me>, at 12:37:34 on Mon, 7 Jun 2021,
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> [snip]
>> Nevertheless, my first port of call in an attempt to assist would be:
>>
>> https://www.brfares.com/!fares?orig=CHH&dest=WEY
>>
>> ...where CCH is quicker to type anyway!
>
>Typo or some kind of autocorrect?

Typo. CHH and CCH take much the same time to type, in any event.

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In message <s9l3ue$sbt$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:37:34 on Mon, 7 Jun 2021,
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <s9f9pc$kds$1@dont-email.me>, at 07:40:28 on Sat, 5 Jun 2021,
>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <uaalbgd09ttr60sjjmc37jcbc8f7l4ng33@4ax.com>, at 17:39:23 on
>>>> Fri, 4 Jun 2021, Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>>> Could you please translate into English ? We are not all familiar with
>>>>>> which three-letter code corresponds to each station, even in our local
>>>>>> areas.
>>>>
>>>> Pretty much every OJP (sorry), and info sites such as National Rail,
>>>> will accept the codes.
>>>>
>>>> CHH = Christs Hospital (Chichester = CCH)
>>>
>>> Writing them in full the first time they're mentioned, particularly where
>>> not obvious from the context, is useful. It’s something I try to do (if I
>>> don't, please remind me!).
>>
>> The one which trips people here up the most is East Midlands (airport) =
>> EMA; East Midlands (parkway station) = EMD.
>
>We’ve got one like that here too:

>EDI = Edinburgh International Airport
>EDB = Edinburgh Waverley railway station

See the muddle over MAN (vs MIA).

I'd have thought Edinburgh airport station was more likely to be EGY,
which also has the benefit of a public transport link to the planes,
unlike East Midlands. (There was just a free minibus for a year, and
even the airport buses didn't bother to stop)
--
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Roland Perry wrote:

>The one which trips people here up the most is East Midlands (airport) =
>EMA; East Midlands (parkway station) = EMD.

I remember the latter because they were a loco builder.

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On 07/06/2021 13:37, Sam Wilson wrote:
> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <s9fgm4$bu8$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:38:12 on Sat, 5 Jun 2021,
>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <s9f9pc$kds$1@dont-email.me>, at 07:40:28 on Sat, 5 Jun 2021,
>>>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <uaalbgd09ttr60sjjmc37jcbc8f7l4ng33@4ax.com>, at 17:39:23 on
>>>>>>>> Fri, 4 Jun 2021, Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> remarked:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Could you please translate into English ? We are not all familiar with
>>>>>>>>>> which three-letter code corresponds to each station, even in our local
>>>>>>>>>> areas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pretty much every OJP (sorry), and info sites such as National Rail,
>>>>>>>> will accept the codes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CHH = Christs Hospital (Chichester = CCH)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Writing them in full the first time they're mentioned, particularly where
>>>>>>> not obvious from the context, is useful. It’s something I try to do (if I
>>>>>>> don't, please remind me!).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The one which trips people here up the most is East Midlands (airport) =
>>>>>> EMA; East Midlands (parkway station) = EMD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's the same with the airport codes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's an App For That. Seriously, it was one of the first I got back
>>>>>>>> in perhaps 2011. 'Airport ID IATA' gets almost all 5* ratings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Similarly, if you want the average reader to understand what you're on
>>>>>>> about, making them refer to an app or website is likely to be unhelpful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Average readers are goat herders now? Interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd suggest that the average reader is unlikely to know airport/station
>>>>> codes beyond the popular ones and their local/frequently used ones; and
>>>>> speaking for myself at least, if I don't know and they're not explained at
>>>>> first use, the thread has to already be of interest to me in order for me
>>>>> to look them up. If it's not, swipe to the next post.
>>>>
>>>> Unless I'm mistaken, you read on a smartphone (so haven't got your
>>>> boy-scout goat herder badge yet). It'd be two clicks to pull up an app
>>>> to translate them. Or are phones not as easy to use as people claim?
>>>>
>>>> In this instance the OP is clearly asking for local knowledge otherwise
>>>> he could get the Anytime prices himself from any number of sources. It's
>>>> therefore more likely that such locals will know the codes, although I'm
>>>> happy to admit that Christ's Hospital is a new one for me.
>>>>
>>>> Nevertheless, my first port of call in an attempt to assist would be:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.brfares.com/!fares?orig=CHH&dest=WEY
>>>>
>>>> ...where CCH is quicker to type anyway!
>>>>
>>>> Off peak period return (via Barnham) £22.75, should be OK not to use
>>>> the Weymouth-Havant leg.
>>>>
>>>> No bike reservations possible, only two spaces, it's not clear what
>>>> happens when the third bike arrives.
>>>
>>> It’s considered good practice in technical/scientific writing to fully
>>> define an acronym/abbreviation the first time it is used.
>>>
>>> “Luton Airport (LTN) is an airport north of London. LTN is mainly used by
>>> low cost airlines.”
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Maybe I'll start throwing in ELRs without context just for fun ;)
>
> I’ll maybe use some opportunistic ETLAs to stir things up.
>

There's always someone who has to go one better!

--
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Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <s9l3ue$sbt$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:37:34 on Mon, 7 Jun 2021,
> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> The one which trips people here up the most is East Midlands (airport) =
>>> EMA; East Midlands (parkway station) = EMD.
>>
>> We’ve got one like that here too:
>
>> EDI = Edinburgh International Airport
>> EDB = Edinburgh Waverley railway station
>
> See the muddle over MAN (vs MIA).

Yes, I’ve just noticed that - rather fine, I thought.

> I'd have thought Edinburgh airport station was more likely to be EGY,
> which also has the benefit of a public transport link to the planes,
> unlike East Midlands. (There was just a free minibus for a year, and
> even the airport buses didn't bother to stop)

There might have been a dedicated airport station if the EARL proposal had
borne fruit. As it is there’s the rather extortionate tram - £1.80 to
anywhere except the airport; £6.50 to go to the last stop at the airport
itself.

Sam

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Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 07/06/2021 13:37, Sam Wilson wrote:
>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <s9fgm4$bu8$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:38:12 on Sat, 5 Jun 2021,
>>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <s9f9pc$kds$1@dont-email.me>, at 07:40:28 on Sat, 5 Jun 2021,
>>>>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In message <uaalbgd09ttr60sjjmc37jcbc8f7l4ng33@4ax.com>, at 17:39:23 on
>>>>>>>>> Fri, 4 Jun 2021, Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Could you please translate into English ? We are not all familiar with
>>>>>>>>>>> which three-letter code corresponds to each station, even in our local
>>>>>>>>>>> areas.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pretty much every OJP (sorry), and info sites such as National Rail,
>>>>>>>>> will accept the codes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CHH = Christs Hospital (Chichester = CCH)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Writing them in full the first time they're mentioned, particularly where
>>>>>>>> not obvious from the context, is useful. It’s something I try to do (if I
>>>>>>>> don't, please remind me!).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The one which trips people here up the most is East Midlands (airport) =
>>>>>>> EMA; East Midlands (parkway station) = EMD.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's the same with the airport codes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There's an App For That. Seriously, it was one of the first I got back
>>>>>>>>> in perhaps 2011. 'Airport ID IATA' gets almost all 5* ratings.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Similarly, if you want the average reader to understand what you're on
>>>>>>>> about, making them refer to an app or website is likely to be unhelpful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Average readers are goat herders now? Interesting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd suggest that the average reader is unlikely to know airport/station
>>>>>> codes beyond the popular ones and their local/frequently used ones; and
>>>>>> speaking for myself at least, if I don't know and they're not explained at
>>>>>> first use, the thread has to already be of interest to me in order for me
>>>>>> to look them up. If it's not, swipe to the next post.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless I'm mistaken, you read on a smartphone (so haven't got your
>>>>> boy-scout goat herder badge yet). It'd be two clicks to pull up an app
>>>>> to translate them. Or are phones not as easy to use as people claim?
>>>>>
>>>>> In this instance the OP is clearly asking for local knowledge otherwise
>>>>> he could get the Anytime prices himself from any number of sources. It's
>>>>> therefore more likely that such locals will know the codes, although I'm
>>>>> happy to admit that Christ's Hospital is a new one for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nevertheless, my first port of call in an attempt to assist would be:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.brfares.com/!fares?orig=CHH&dest=WEY
>>>>>
>>>>> ...where CCH is quicker to type anyway!
>>>>>
>>>>> Off peak period return (via Barnham) £22.75, should be OK not to use
>>>>> the Weymouth-Havant leg.
>>>>>
>>>>> No bike reservations possible, only two spaces, it's not clear what
>>>>> happens when the third bike arrives.
>>>>
>>>> It’s considered good practice in technical/scientific writing to fully
>>>> define an acronym/abbreviation the first time it is used.
>>>>
>>>> “Luton Airport (LTN) is an airport north of London. LTN is mainly used by
>>>> low cost airlines.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe I'll start throwing in ELRs without context just for fun ;)
>>
>> I’ll maybe use some opportunistic ETLAs to stir things up.
>>
>
> There's always someone who has to go one better!

Sometimes you just have to take it up to eleven!

Sam

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In message <s9lihg$at0$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:46:40 on Mon, 7 Jun 2021,
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <s9l3ue$sbt$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:37:34 on Mon, 7 Jun 2021,
>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The one which trips people here up the most is East Midlands (airport) =
>>>> EMA; East Midlands (parkway station) = EMD.
>>>
>>> We’ve got one like that here too:
>>
>>> EDI = Edinburgh International Airport
>>> EDB = Edinburgh Waverley railway station
>>
>> See the muddle over MAN (vs MIA).
>
>Yes, I’ve just noticed that - rather fine, I thought.
>
>> I'd have thought Edinburgh airport station was more likely to be EGY,
>> which also has the benefit of a public transport link to the planes,
>> unlike East Midlands. (There was just a free minibus for a year, and
>> even the airport buses didn't bother to stop)
>
>There might have been a dedicated airport station if the EARL proposal had
>borne fruit. As it is there’s the rather extortionate tram - £1.80 to
>anywhere except the airport; £6.50 to go to the last stop at the airport
>itself.

Tourist tax, guv. And what's £6.50 to someone paying for a flight,
hotels etc.
--
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Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <s9lihg$at0$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:46:40 on Mon, 7 Jun 2021,
> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <s9l3ue$sbt$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:37:34 on Mon, 7 Jun 2021,
>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The one which trips people here up the most is East Midlands (airport) =
>>>>> EMA; East Midlands (parkway station) = EMD.
>>>>
>>>> We’ve got one like that here too:
>>>
>>>> EDI = Edinburgh International Airport
>>>> EDB = Edinburgh Waverley railway station
>>>
>>> See the muddle over MAN (vs MIA).
>>
>> Yes, I’ve just noticed that - rather fine, I thought.
>>
>>> I'd have thought Edinburgh airport station was more likely to be EGY,
>>> which also has the benefit of a public transport link to the planes,
>>> unlike East Midlands. (There was just a free minibus for a year, and
>>> even the airport buses didn't bother to stop)
>>
>> There might have been a dedicated airport station if the EARL proposal had
>> borne fruit. As it is there’s the rather extortionate tram - £1.80 to
>> anywhere except the airport; £6.50 to go to the last stop at the airport
>> itself.
>
> Tourist tax, guv. And what's £6.50 to someone paying for a flight,
> hotels etc.

Tourism and airport worker tax - it’s not just the visitors who pay it.

Sam

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Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> D A Stocks <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>> "Theo" <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
>> news:Iyz*2gQly@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
>>>
>>> Chichester?
>> No, that's CCH. CHH is Christ's Hospital. Keep up!
>>>
>>> "to get to HRH.
>> Horsham, obvs, once you've got CHH.
>>>
>>> "stopping service and change at BAA and (maybe) FTN."
>>>
>>> Filton.
>> Barnham and Fratton.
>>
>>
>
> I think that's a *whoosh* ;)
>
>
> Anna Noyd-Dryver
>
>
>

“Giraffe Wee” (Went over his head).

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Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <s9fgm4$bu8$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:38:12 on Sat, 5 Jun 2021,
>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <s9f9pc$kds$1@dont-email.me>, at 07:40:28 on Sat, 5 Jun 2021,
>>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <uaalbgd09ttr60sjjmc37jcbc8f7l4ng33@4ax.com>, at 17:39:23 on
>>>>>>> Fri, 4 Jun 2021, Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> remarked:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Could you please translate into English ? We are not all familiar with
>>>>>>>>> which three-letter code corresponds to each station, even in our local
>>>>>>>>> areas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pretty much every OJP (sorry), and info sites such as National Rail,
>>>>>>> will accept the codes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CHH = Christs Hospital (Chichester = CCH)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Writing them in full the first time they're mentioned, particularly where
>>>>>> not obvious from the context, is useful. It’s something I try to do (if I
>>>>>> don't, please remind me!).
>>>>>
>>>>> The one which trips people here up the most is East Midlands (airport) =
>>>>> EMA; East Midlands (parkway station) = EMD.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's the same with the airport codes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's an App For That. Seriously, it was one of the first I got back
>>>>>>> in perhaps 2011. 'Airport ID IATA' gets almost all 5* ratings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Similarly, if you want the average reader to understand what you're on
>>>>>> about, making them refer to an app or website is likely to be unhelpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Average readers are goat herders now? Interesting.
>>>>
>>>> I'd suggest that the average reader is unlikely to know airport/station
>>>> codes beyond the popular ones and their local/frequently used ones; and
>>>> speaking for myself at least, if I don't know and they're not explained at
>>>> first use, the thread has to already be of interest to me in order for me
>>>> to look them up. If it's not, swipe to the next post.
>>>
>>> Unless I'm mistaken, you read on a smartphone (so haven't got your
>>> boy-scout goat herder badge yet). It'd be two clicks to pull up an app
>>> to translate them. Or are phones not as easy to use as people claim?
>>>
>>> In this instance the OP is clearly asking for local knowledge otherwise
>>> he could get the Anytime prices himself from any number of sources. It's
>>> therefore more likely that such locals will know the codes, although I'm
>>> happy to admit that Christ's Hospital is a new one for me.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, my first port of call in an attempt to assist would be:
>>>
>>> https://www.brfares.com/!fares?orig=CHH&dest=WEY
>>>
>>> ...where CCH is quicker to type anyway!
>>>
>>> Off peak period return (via Barnham) £22.75, should be OK not to use
>>> the Weymouth-Havant leg.
>>>
>>> No bike reservations possible, only two spaces, it's not clear what
>>> happens when the third bike arrives.
>>
>> It’s considered good practice in technical/scientific writing to fully
>> define an acronym/abbreviation the first time it is used.
>>
>> “Luton Airport (LTN) is an airport north of London. LTN is mainly used by
>> low cost airlines.”
>>
>>
>
> Maybe I'll start throwing in ELRs without context just for fun ;)
>
>
> Anna Noyd-Dryver
>
>

Careful with those TLAs!

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Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 05/06/2021 18:07, John Levine wrote:
>> According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:
>>> Some airport codes are pretty obvious, but many are not. Examples of the
>>> latter include ARN, EWR, FCO, IAD, IAH, LED, MCO, ORD, ORS, YOW, YYZ.
>>
>> Nearly all of them are self-evident if you're enough of a plane nerd, e.g.,
>> ORD is Orchard Field, the original name for what is now Chicago O'Hare.
>> (I will admit that YYZ is opaque past the initial Y and I find the claim
>> that YZ was the railway code for a nearby station unpersuasive.)
>>
>> But I would have hoped that anyone reading this group would have a comparable
>> level of rail nerdery and would know all those codes.
>>
>
> We don't all have personal wikpedia-sized memories. For example, it is
> not immediately obvious that HAV is not Haverfordwest, and SOU is not
> Southport.
>

Octomocty anyone?

A friend claimed that he worked for BR for a while in his youth. He or one
of his colleagues dropped a red star parcel which started leaking fluid
which smelt strongly of whisky.

Quick a flash they got a container under it and when it had finished
draining they strained it and set it aside for later “processing and
disposal”

They then relabelled it as bound to Octomocty and put it back in the
system.

--
Chris

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <s9i0an$uoj$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:17:27 on Sun, 6 Jun 2021,
> Chris Holmes <chrispvholmes@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Sorry, I did give the translations, but the mail didn’t get through.
>>
>> Whatever codes I may have put…
>>
>> 1/7/2021
>> Christ’s Hospital to Weymouth via Southampton
>>
>> 1/7/2021 - 4/7/2021
>> Weymouth to Havant on a yacht.
>>
>> 4/7/2021
>> Havant to Christ’s Hospital via Southampton.
>>
>> IF I have to travel during peak time, my understanding is that I can still
>> use my Senior Railcard.
>
> "Your Senior Railcard is NOT valid when travelling between two stations
> inside London and the South East area during morning peak time."
>
> The boundary is just beyond Weymouth :(
>
>> Or is it the case that it can get me a discount on Anytime tickets, but I
>> have to use them off peak (I couldn’t find anything to explain this online,
>> nor the other day (when I was thinking of going Christ’s Hospital - Burgess
>> Hill return, could I determine what time peak time started / stopped.
>
> The best thing to do is find a decent [most are going through a terrible
> patch at the moment, and while I used gwr.com, they hide the railcard
> option away] Online Journey Planner, and it will show you different
> fares at different times of day.
>
> 09:38 seems the first with fully discounted off-peak period return, but
> if travelling earlier then a pair of singles is showing as better.

Thanks Roland. I THINK the full wording I read COULD be interpreted as
“The travelling between two stations” bit only applied if that was all you
were doing. Ie, I think once I was able to use a railcard discount on a
train that departed CH at about 8:00 because I was travelling way up North
outside of the NEtwork Railcard area. Whereas if I’d just been going to
London, I’d have had to wait.

To answer other questions, I’d like to arrive early / have a short journey,
but not if it’s going to make it fantastically expensive vs the cheapest
option.

And the bicycle……

My “final” destination is Portland Yacht Club.

It SEEMS that there is a bus between Weymouth and Portland at some point(s)
of the weekend, but not during (at least this particular) week (according
to Google Maps).

So my thoughts were…. I could cycle from Weymouth to Portland. Which means
I will need my bike (Well, one of his bikes, for his Lordship has many
(well 2)).

In which case, it’s arguably safer to go from CH rather than Horsham as I
can get there from Slinfold via The Downs Link (a bridleway which was made
possible by Marples/Beaching).

Of course for maximum comfort convenience and possible cost adjusted for
inflation, I could dust off the TARDIS, go back to the Slinfold if 1921,
Get a train to CH, and thence to Weymouth where a weekday bus service would
probably be running and still have change for “two new suits, a fish and
chip supper and 4 stone of monkey nuts”.

Oh, and thus “encumbered” by a bike, the plan would then be to lash it to
the back of my friend’s Halberg Rassey for the sail to Northney (Hailing
Island) possibly via Studland, and then cycle to Havant for the return
journey to CH.

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"Christopher A. Lee" <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote in message
news:uaalbgd09ttr60sjjmc37jcbc8f7l4ng33@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 20:12:50 +0100, Bevan Price
> <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 04/06/2021 15:13, Chris Holmes wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I am planning a little trip.
>>>
>>> (With my Wrinkles Railcard)
>>>
>>> Outbound 1/7 CHH to WEY (off peak Std Class).
>>>
>>> Return 3/7 or 4/7 HAV to CHH.
>>>
>>> I would need a cycle reservation for the Southampton to Havant bit.
>>>
>>> Anyone know what the cost would be?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>
>>Could you please translate into English ? We are not all familiar with
>>which three-letter code corresponds to each station, even in our local
>>areas.
>
> It's the same with the airport codes. I know the ones I've flown into
> and from.

It's much easier to look up airport codes

typing them straight into Google usually works

The same can't be said of UK station codes

"Roland Perry" <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote in message
news:r4MTf+Akd1ugFAMQ@perry.uk...
> In message
> <2048555035.644578981.848127.jmd.nospam-btinternet.com@news.individual.ne
> t>, at 09:44:38 on Sat, 5 Jun 2021, Jeremy Double
> <jmd.nospam@btinternet.com> remarked:
>>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 20:12:50 +0100, Bevan Price
>>>> <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 04/06/2021 15:13, Chris Holmes wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am planning a little trip…
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (With my Wrinkles Railcard)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Outbound 1/7 CHH to WEY (off peak Std Class).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Return 3/7 or 4/7 HAV to CHH.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would need a cycle reservation for the Southampton to Havant bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone know what the cost would be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you please translate into English ? We are not all familiar with
>>>>> which three-letter code corresponds to each station, even in our local
>>>>> areas.
>>>>
>>>> It's the same with the airport codes. I know the ones I've flown into
>>>> and from.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Some airport codes are pretty obvious, but many are not. Examples of the
>>> latter include ARN, EWR, FCO, IAD, IAH, LED, MCO, ORD, ORS, YOW, YYZ.
>>
>>I know EWR and ORD (in fact I’ve flown between those airports), but I don’t
>>know the others.
>
> IAD = Dulles, IAH = Houston, ARN = Arlanda (Stockholm), MCO = Orlando,
> been to all of those as well as EWR and ORD. Can't remember which Rome
> airport though.

only Ryan and Wizz fly to the ridiculously PT inconvenient airport that is
Ciampino.

(Personally, been to both the Ys, both of which were also PT deserts. YYZ
now has a train.)

On 08/06/2021 08:01, tim... wrote:
>
>
> "Christopher A. Lee" <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote in message
> news:uaalbgd09ttr60sjjmc37jcbc8f7l4ng33@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 20:12:50 +0100, Bevan Price
>> <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/06/2021 15:13, Chris Holmes wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I am planning a little trip.
>>>>
>>>> (With my Wrinkles Railcard)
>>>>
>>>> Outbound 1/7 CHH to WEY (off peak Std Class).
>>>>
>>>> Return 3/7 or 4/7 HAV to CHH.
>>>>
>>>> I would need a cycle reservation for the Southampton to Havant bit.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know what the cost would be?
>>>>
>>>> TIA
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>
>>> Could you please translate into English ? We are not all familiar with
>>> which three-letter code corresponds to each station, even in our local
>>> areas.
>>
>> It's the same with the airport codes. I know the ones I've flown into
>> and from.
>
> It's much easier to look up airport codes
>
> typing them straight into Google usually works
>
> The same can't be said of UK station codes
>
>
>
Something like "XXX uk station code" always seems to work.

On 08/06/2021 08:14, tim... wrote:
>
>
> "Roland Perry" <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:r4MTf+Akd1ugFAMQ@perry.uk...
>> In message
>> <2048555035.644578981.848127.jmd.nospam-btinternet.com@news.individual.ne
>> t>, at 09:44:38 on Sat, 5 Jun 2021, Jeremy Double
>> <jmd.nospam@btinternet.com> remarked:
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 20:12:50 +0100, Bevan Price
>>>>> <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/06/2021 15:13, Chris Holmes wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am planning a little trip…
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (With my Wrinkles Railcard)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Outbound 1/7 CHH to WEY (off peak Std Class).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Return 3/7 or 4/7 HAV to CHH.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would need a cycle reservation for the Southampton to Havant bit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone know what the cost would be?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could you please translate into English ? We are not all familiar
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> which three-letter code corresponds to each station, even in our
>>>>>> local
>>>>>> areas.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the same with the airport codes. I know the ones I've flown into
>>>>> and from.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some airport codes are pretty obvious, but many are not. Examples of
>>>> the
>>>> latter include ARN, EWR, FCO, IAD, IAH, LED, MCO, ORD, ORS, YOW, YYZ.
>>>
>>> I know EWR and ORD (in fact I’ve flown between those airports), but I
>>> don’t
>>> know the others.
>>
>> IAD = Dulles, IAH = Houston, ARN = Arlanda (Stockholm), MCO = Orlando,
>> been to all of those as well as EWR and ORD. Can't remember which Rome
>> airport though.
>
> only Ryan and Wizz fly to the ridiculously PT inconvenient airport that
> is Ciampino.
>

IIRC Laker were the first to use Ciampino, before them it was a military
airport with some business use. Somewhere I have a photo of two Lear
Jets on the apron, I-ROBM and I-LIAR, presumably belonging to politicians…

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In message <s9n1mu$1ef$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:11:42 on Tue, 8 Jun 2021,
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <s9lihg$at0$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:46:40 on Mon, 7 Jun 2021,
>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <s9l3ue$sbt$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:37:34 on Mon, 7 Jun 2021,
>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The one which trips people here up the most is East Midlands (airport) =
>>>>>> EMA; East Midlands (parkway station) = EMD.
>>>>>
>>>>> We’ve got one like that here too:
>>>>
>>>>> EDI = Edinburgh International Airport
>>>>> EDB = Edinburgh Waverley railway station
>>>>
>>>> See the muddle over MAN (vs MIA).
>>>
>>> Yes, I’ve just noticed that - rather fine, I thought.
>>>
>>>> I'd have thought Edinburgh airport station was more likely to be EGY,
>>>> which also has the benefit of a public transport link to the planes,
>>>> unlike East Midlands. (There was just a free minibus for a year, and
>>>> even the airport buses didn't bother to stop)
>>>
>>> There might have been a dedicated airport station if the EARL proposal had
>>> borne fruit. As it is there’s the rather extortionate tram - £1.80 to
>>> anywhere except the airport; £6.50 to go to the last stop at the airport
>>> itself.
>>
>> Tourist tax, guv. And what's £6.50 to someone paying for a flight,
>> hotels etc.
>
>Tourism and airport worker tax - it’s not just the visitors who pay it.

I'd expect airport workers to have some kind of season ticket (or even a
free pass), and not be paying daily fares.
--
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tim... <timsnews99@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> (Personally, been to both the Ys, both of which were also PT deserts. YYZ
> now has a train.)

Toronto Pearson seems to have lots of buses as well as the train. When I
was there twenty-um years ago there was an excellent bus service, I think
called the Toronto Flyer, which connected to a network of minibuses that
went round lots of city centre hotels. That doesn’t seem to be in
operation any more.

Sam

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Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <s9n1mu$1ef$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:11:42 on Tue, 8 Jun 2021,
> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <s9lihg$at0$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:46:40 on Mon, 7 Jun 2021,
>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <s9l3ue$sbt$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:37:34 on Mon, 7 Jun 2021,
>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The one which trips people here up the most is East Midlands (airport) =
>>>>>>> EMA; East Midlands (parkway station) = EMD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We’ve got one like that here too:
>>>>>
>>>>>> EDI = Edinburgh International Airport
>>>>>> EDB = Edinburgh Waverley railway station
>>>>>
>>>>> See the muddle over MAN (vs MIA).
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I’ve just noticed that - rather fine, I thought.
>>>>
>>>>> I'd have thought Edinburgh airport station was more likely to be EGY,
>>>>> which also has the benefit of a public transport link to the planes,
>>>>> unlike East Midlands. (There was just a free minibus for a year, and
>>>>> even the airport buses didn't bother to stop)
>>>>
>>>> There might have been a dedicated airport station if the EARL proposal had
>>>> borne fruit. As it is there’s the rather extortionate tram - £1.80 to
>>>> anywhere except the airport; £6.50 to go to the last stop at the airport
>>>> itself.
>>>
>>> Tourist tax, guv. And what's £6.50 to someone paying for a flight,
>>> hotels etc.
>>
>> Tourism and airport worker tax - it’s not just the visitors who pay it.
>
> I'd expect airport workers to have some kind of season ticket (or even a
> free pass), and not be paying daily fares.

I don’t know about free or discounted passes - they’re not obviously
publicised - but most (all?) of the period tickets include the airport, as
well as a the area outside the city; a day ticket including the airport
costs more than one for just the city.

Sam

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Chris Holmes <chrispvholmes@gmail.com> wrote:
> Of course for maximum comfort convenience and possible cost adjusted for
> inflation, I could dust off the TARDIS, go back to the Slinfold if 1921,
> Get a train to CH, and thence to Weymouth where a weekday bus service would
> probably be running and still have change for “two new suits, a fish and
> chip supper and 4 stone of monkey nuts”.
>
> Oh, and thus “encumbered” by a bike, the plan would then be to lash it to
> the back of my friend’s Halberg Rassey for the sail to Northney (Hailing
> Island) possibly via Studland, and then cycle to Havant for the return
> journey to CH.

You could have travelled by train from Weymouth to Portland, and Hayling
Island to Havant, of course. Or sent the bike onwards as unaccompanied
baggage.

Theo

On 08/06/2021 10:20, Theo wrote:
> Chris Holmes <chrispvholmes@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Of course for maximum comfort convenience and possible cost adjusted for
>> inflation, I could dust off the TARDIS, go back to the Slinfold if 1921,
>> Get a train to CH, and thence to Weymouth where a weekday bus service would
>> probably be running and still have change for “two new suits, a fish and
>> chip supper and 4 stone of monkey nuts”.
>>
>> Oh, and thus “encumbered” by a bike, the plan would then be to lash it to
>> the back of my friend’s Halberg Rassey for the sail to Northney (Hailing
>> Island) possibly via Studland, and then cycle to Havant for the return
>> journey to CH.
>
> You could have travelled by train from Weymouth to Portland, and Hayling
> Island to Havant, of course. Or sent the bike onwards as unaccompanied
> baggage.
>
> Theo
>

Last time I crossed the Fleet Bridge, on the Weymouth-Portland line, it
had a big hole in it! (1970)

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