When I was a kid in Canada -- 1950s and 60s -- the only calendar layout
that I knew of had Sunday as the start of the week, on the left side of
the calendar, and it never occurred to me that a calendar could be laid
out differently.

I don't know when I first saw a calendar with Monday starting the week
-- 20 or 30 years ago maybe? -- but it still throws me every time.
("Why is Wednesday where Tuesday should be?")

Is this geographical? (I might have come across a Monday-first calendar
in Europe, and my wife (who tends to prefer a Monday-starter) was
raised in New Zealand.

Technical, perhaps? (Computer clocks might have been programmed by a
nerd harbouring some obscure logical fixation which they want to force
the rest of the world to adopt....)

(Yes, I've got too much time on my hands today.)

--
Cheers, Harvey

On 02/11/2023 16:01, HVS wrote:
> When I was a kid in Canada -- 1950s and 60s -- the only calendar layout
> that I knew of had Sunday as the start of the week, on the left side of
> the calendar, and it never occurred to me that a calendar could be laid
> out differently.
>
> I don't know when I first saw a calendar with Monday starting the week
> -- 20 or 30 years ago maybe? -- but it still throws me every time.
> ("Why is Wednesday where Tuesday should be?")
>
> Is this geographical? (I might have come across a Monday-first calendar
> in Europe, and my wife (who tends to prefer a Monday-starter) was
> raised in New Zealand.
>
> Technical, perhaps? (Computer clocks might have been programmed by a
> nerd harbouring some obscure logical fixation which they want to force
> the rest of the world to adopt....)
>
> (Yes, I've got too much time on my hands today.)
>

It is probably related to most businesses starting their working week on
a Monday, at least in the days when they still hung calendars on the wall.

--
Colin Bignell

On Thu, 02 Nov 2023 16:11:46 +0000, Colin Bignell wrote:

> On 02/11/2023 16:01, HVS wrote:
>> When I was a kid in Canada -- 1950s and 60s -- the only calendar layout
>> that I knew of had Sunday as the start of the week, on the left side of
>> the calendar, and it never occurred to me that a calendar could be laid
>> out differently.
>>
>> I don't know when I first saw a calendar with Monday starting the week
>> -- 20 or 30 years ago maybe? -- but it still throws me every time.
>> ("Why is Wednesday where Tuesday should be?")
>>
>> Is this geographical? (I might have come across a Monday-first calendar
>> in Europe, and my wife (who tends to prefer a Monday-starter) was
>> raised in New Zealand.
>>
>> Technical, perhaps? (Computer clocks might have been programmed by a
>> nerd harbouring some obscure logical fixation which they want to force
>> the rest of the world to adopt....)
>>
>> (Yes, I've got too much time on my hands today.)
>>
>>
> It is probably related to most businesses starting their working week on
> a Monday, at least in the days when they still hung calendars on the
> wall.

Many businesses, especially continental, use ISO week numbers, which
start on a Monday.

nib

Now that we've retired my wife wants to try her hand at a bit of
upholstery. Nothing big, not taking on any 3-piece suites or anything,
but we do have a set of dining chairs with padded seat and back rest
(open back with a 'bar' across the top sort of thing) that need
recovering and she wants to give it a go.

Any recommendations for a kit of tools that a starter/hobbyist
upholsterer would need? Better buying individual tools rather than a
kit or not?

She's seen this kit on Amazon https://tinyurl.com/yua2mtzu but at £145
we don't know if that's good value or not, especially if she quickly
loses interest or can't do it - and they're not the sort of things I'd
use if she doesn't.

On 02/11/2023 16:33, Andy Smith wrote:
> Now that we've retired my wife wants to try her hand at a bit of
> upholstery. Nothing big, not taking on any 3-piece suites or anything,
> but we do have a set of dining chairs with padded seat and back rest
> (open back with a 'bar' across the top sort of thing) that need
> recovering and she wants to give it a go.
>
> Any recommendations for a kit of tools that a starter/hobbyist
> upholsterer would need? Better buying individual tools rather than a kit
> or not?
>
> She's seen this kit on Amazon https://tinyurl.com/yua2mtzu but at £145
> we don't know if that's good value or not, especially if she quickly
> loses interest or can't do it - and they're not the sort of things I'd
> use if she doesn't.

My initial reaction is that that looks like £30 worth of tools.

I am thinking of reupholstering our kitchen chairs, and the only tool I
need is an electric staple gun.

On 02/11/2023 16:33, Andy Smith wrote:
> Now that we've retired my wife wants to try her hand at a bit of
> upholstery. Nothing big, not taking on any 3-piece suites or anything,
> but we do have a set of dining chairs with padded seat and back rest
> (open back with a 'bar' across the top sort of thing) that need
> recovering and she wants to give it a go.
>
> Any recommendations for a kit of tools that a starter/hobbyist
> upholsterer would need? Better buying individual tools rather than a kit
> or not?
>
All I used for a big sofa was some decent scissors, a sewing machine and
most importantly and unpick tool.

If you are going to he hammering in tacks, a decent small claw hammer is
a must and a metal 'spudger' for getting old ones out

> She's seen this kit on Amazon https://tinyurl.com/yua2mtzu but at £145
> we don't know if that's good value or not, especially if she quickly
> loses interest or can't do it - and they're not the sort of things I'd
> use if she doesn't.

Looks completely overkill apart from the hammer and the spudger - just
get stuck in and it you find you need an extra tool just buy it.

--
“But what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!”

Mary Wollstonecraft

On 02/11/2023 17:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> All I used for a big sofa was some decent scissors, a sewing machine and
> most importantly and unpick tool.
>
> If you are going to he hammering in tacks, a decent small claw hammer is
> a must and a metal 'spudger' for getting old ones out

If the OP takes the a look at the padded seat he will probably find that
the fabric has been stapled. These days hammering in tacks is possibly
only for antique restoration. For decorative tacks a small hammer with a
nylon head is probably better.

>
>> She's seen this kit on Amazon https://tinyurl.com/yua2mtzu but at £145
>> we don't know if that's good value or not, especially if she quickly
>> loses interest or can't do it - and they're not the sort of things I'd
>> use if she doesn't.
>
> Looks completely overkill apart from the hammer and the spudger - just
> get stuck in and it you find you need an extra tool just buy it.

+1

The wooden mallet would only be required to repair a wooden frame. For
instance, glueing a mortice and tenon joint and banging it together, but
possibly you would also need suitable clamps to keep it together while
the glue dries.

From the 4 and 5 star reviews

The stretcher may be excess to requirements, as my upholstery course
just uses a piece of wood as a stretcher.

The pincers were actually next to useless.

Shame that the apron is rather small and 'cheap'.

--
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 17:59:00 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 02/11/2023 17:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> All I used for a big sofa was some decent scissors, a sewing machine and
>> most importantly and unpick tool.
>>
>> If you are going to he hammering in tacks, a decent small claw hammer is
>> a must and a metal 'spudger' for getting old ones out
>
>If the OP takes the a look at the padded seat he will probably find that
>the fabric has been stapled. These days hammering in tacks is possibly
>only for antique restoration. For decorative tacks a small hammer with a
>nylon head is probably better.

My late wife had a fairly heavy-duty staple gun for securing fabric to
a wooden frame. The OP may get some idea as to what's needed from
furniture repairs featured on 'The Repair Shop', although they don't
come round that often.

--
Chris

On 02-Nov-23 16:33, Andy Smith wrote:
> Now that we've retired my wife wants to try her hand at a bit of
> upholstery. Nothing big, not taking on any 3-piece suites or anything,
> but we do have a set of dining chairs with padded seat and back rest
> (open back with a 'bar' across the top sort of thing) that need
> recovering and she wants to give it a go.
>
> Any recommendations for a kit of tools that a starter/hobbyist
> upholsterer would need? Better buying individual tools rather than a kit
> or not?
>
> She's seen this kit on Amazon https://tinyurl.com/yua2mtzu but at £145
> we don't know if that's good value or not, especially if she quickly
> loses interest or can't do it - and they're not the sort of things I'd
> use if she doesn't.

A bit late in the year perhaps, but do check if your Local Authority
runs 'Evening Classes' which include upholstery.

My wife did such a course a few years back. She learned quite a few of
'tricks of the trade', and gained a clear idea of what tools were
useful[1] and which were a waste of time & money.

[1] Beware, your own tool kit will be raided to supply several of these.

--
Sam Plusnet

In message <ui0is1$25mon$1@dont-email.me>, nib
<news@ingram-bromley.co.uk> writes
>On Thu, 02 Nov 2023 16:11:46 +0000, Colin Bignell wrote:
>
>> On 02/11/2023 16:01, HVS wrote:
>>> When I was a kid in Canada -- 1950s and 60s -- the only calendar layout
>>> that I knew of had Sunday as the start of the week, on the left side of
>>> the calendar, and it never occurred to me that a calendar could be laid
>>> out differently.
>>>
>>> I don't know when I first saw a calendar with Monday starting the week
>>> -- 20 or 30 years ago maybe? -- but it still throws me every time.
>>> ("Why is Wednesday where Tuesday should be?")
>>>
>>> Is this geographical? (I might have come across a Monday-first calendar
>>> in Europe, and my wife (who tends to prefer a Monday-starter) was
>>> raised in New Zealand.
>>>
>>> Technical, perhaps? (Computer clocks might have been programmed by a
>>> nerd harbouring some obscure logical fixation which they want to force
>>> the rest of the world to adopt....)
>>>
>>> (Yes, I've got too much time on my hands today.)
>>>
>>>
>> It is probably related to most businesses starting their working week on
>> a Monday, at least in the days when they still hung calendars on the
>> wall.
>
>Many businesses, especially continental, use ISO week numbers, which
>start on a Monday.
>
>nib

IIRC, the Bible says that God worked for six days making the world, and
on the seventh (the Sabbath Day, Sunday) He rested (and subsequently
commanded everyone to do the same, and to keep it holy). The Bible
doesn't say that He had a rest before doing His work. I guess that
Sunday (the 'Lord's Day') became regarded as the first day of the week
because of a misplaced respect for God, but it's pretty obvious that it
should be the last day.
--
Ian
Aims and ambitions are neither attainments nor achievements

On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 18:55:19 +0000
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <ui0is1$25mon$1@dont-email.me>, nib
> <news@ingram-bromley.co.uk> writes
> >On Thu, 02 Nov 2023 16:11:46 +0000, Colin Bignell wrote:
> >
> >> On 02/11/2023 16:01, HVS wrote:
> >>> When I was a kid in Canada -- 1950s and 60s -- the only calendar
> >>> layout that I knew of had Sunday as the start of the week, on the
> >>> left side of the calendar, and it never occurred to me that a
> >>> calendar could be laid out differently.
> >>>
> >>> I don't know when I first saw a calendar with Monday starting the
> >>> week -- 20 or 30 years ago maybe? -- but it still throws me every
> >>> time. ("Why is Wednesday where Tuesday should be?")
> >>>
> >>> Is this geographical? (I might have come across a Monday-first
> >>> calendar in Europe, and my wife (who tends to prefer a
> >>> Monday-starter) was raised in New Zealand.
> >>>
> >>> Technical, perhaps? (Computer clocks might have been programmed
> >>> by a nerd harbouring some obscure logical fixation which they
> >>> want to force the rest of the world to adopt....)
> >>>
> >>> (Yes, I've got too much time on my hands today.)
> >>>
> >>>
> >> It is probably related to most businesses starting their working
> >> week on a Monday, at least in the days when they still hung
> >> calendars on the wall.
> >
> >Many businesses, especially continental, use ISO week numbers, which
> >start on a Monday.
> >
> >nib
>
> IIRC, the Bible says that God worked for six days making the world,
> and on the seventh (the Sabbath Day, Sunday) He rested (and
> subsequently commanded everyone to do the same, and to keep it holy).
> The Bible doesn't say that He had a rest before doing His work. I
> guess that Sunday (the 'Lord's Day') became regarded as the first day
> of the week because of a misplaced respect for God, but it's pretty
> obvious that it should be the last day.

Bear in mind that the Old Testament is a Jewish scripture, and their
holy day is Saturday.

--
Joe

In message <20231102190530.71bacedb@jrenewsid.jretrading.com>, Joe
<joe@jretrading.com> writes
>On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 18:55:19 +0000
>Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In message <ui0is1$25mon$1@dont-email.me>, nib
>> <news@ingram-bromley.co.uk> writes
>> >On Thu, 02 Nov 2023 16:11:46 +0000, Colin Bignell wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 02/11/2023 16:01, HVS wrote:
>> >>> When I was a kid in Canada -- 1950s and 60s -- the only calendar
>> >>> layout that I knew of had Sunday as the start of the week, on the
>> >>> left side of the calendar, and it never occurred to me that a
>> >>> calendar could be laid out differently.
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't know when I first saw a calendar with Monday starting the
>> >>> week -- 20 or 30 years ago maybe? -- but it still throws me every
>> >>> time. ("Why is Wednesday where Tuesday should be?")
>> >>>
>> >>> Is this geographical? (I might have come across a Monday-first
>> >>> calendar in Europe, and my wife (who tends to prefer a
>> >>> Monday-starter) was raised in New Zealand.
>> >>>
>> >>> Technical, perhaps? (Computer clocks might have been programmed
>> >>> by a nerd harbouring some obscure logical fixation which they
>> >>> want to force the rest of the world to adopt....)
>> >>>
>> >>> (Yes, I've got too much time on my hands today.)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> It is probably related to most businesses starting their working
>> >> week on a Monday, at least in the days when they still hung
>> >> calendars on the wall.
>> >
>> >Many businesses, especially continental, use ISO week numbers, which
>> >start on a Monday.
>> >
>> >nib
>>
>> IIRC, the Bible says that God worked for six days making the world,
>> and on the seventh (the Sabbath Day, Sunday) He rested (and
>> subsequently commanded everyone to do the same, and to keep it holy).
>> The Bible doesn't say that He had a rest before doing His work. I
>> guess that Sunday (the 'Lord's Day') became regarded as the first day
>> of the week because of a misplaced respect for God, but it's pretty
>> obvious that it should be the last day.
>
>Bear in mind that the Old Testament is a Jewish scripture, and their
>holy day is Saturday.
>
Obviously this is because God began first in the Holy Land, but waited
until he got into the swing of things before starting the following day
doing the six days of work required to create the world elsewhere.
--
Ian
Aims and ambitions are neither attainments nor achievements

On 02/11/2023 17:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 02/11/2023 16:33, Andy Smith wrote:
>> Now that we've retired my wife wants to try her hand at a bit of
>> upholstery. Nothing big, not taking on any 3-piece suites or anything,
>> but we do have a set of dining chairs with padded seat and back rest
>> (open back with a 'bar' across the top sort of thing) that need
>> recovering and she wants to give it a go.
>>
>> Any recommendations for a kit of tools that a starter/hobbyist
>> upholsterer would need? Better buying individual tools rather than a
>> kit or not?
>>
> All I used for a big sofa was some decent scissors, a sewing machine and
> most importantly and unpick tool.
>
> If you are going to he hammering in tacks, a decent small claw hammer is
> a must and a metal 'spudger' for getting old ones out
>
When I first started doing upholstery, I used a proper tack hammer, the
kind with a magnetic tip. I got pretty good at it, but I've decided that
a good staple gun is faster and better for most of what I do.>
>> She's seen this kit on Amazon https://tinyurl.com/yua2mtzu but at £145
>> we don't know if that's good value or not, especially if she quickly
>> loses interest or can't do it - and they're not the sort of things I'd
>> use if she doesn't.
>
> Looks completely overkill apart from the hammer and the spudger - just
> get stuck in and it you find you need an extra tool just buy it.
>
>

Ian Jackson wrote:

> In message <20231102190530.71bacedb@jrenewsid.jretrading.com>, Joe
> <joe@jretrading.com> writes
>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 18:55:19 +0000
>>Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <ui0is1$25mon$1@dont-email.me>, nib
>>> <news@ingram-bromley.co.uk> writes
>>> >On Thu, 02 Nov 2023 16:11:46 +0000, Colin Bignell wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On 02/11/2023 16:01, HVS wrote:
>>> >>> When I was a kid in Canada -- 1950s and 60s -- the only calendar
>>> >>> layout that I knew of had Sunday as the start of the week, on the
>>> >>> left side of the calendar, and it never occurred to me that a
>>> >>> calendar could be laid out differently.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I don't know when I first saw a calendar with Monday starting the
>>> >>> week -- 20 or 30 years ago maybe? -- but it still throws me every
>>> >>> time. ("Why is Wednesday where Tuesday should be?")
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Is this geographical? (I might have come across a Monday-first
>>> >>> calendar in Europe, and my wife (who tends to prefer a
>>> >>> Monday-starter) was raised in New Zealand.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Technical, perhaps? (Computer clocks might have been programmed
>>> >>> by a nerd harbouring some obscure logical fixation which they
>>> >>> want to force the rest of the world to adopt....)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> (Yes, I've got too much time on my hands today.)
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >> It is probably related to most businesses starting their working
>>> >> week on a Monday, at least in the days when they still hung
>>> >> calendars on the wall.
>>> >
>>> >Many businesses, especially continental, use ISO week numbers, which
>>> >start on a Monday.
>>> >
>>> >nib
>>>
>>> IIRC, the Bible says that God worked for six days making the world,
>>> and on the seventh (the Sabbath Day, Sunday) He rested (and
>>> subsequently commanded everyone to do the same, and to keep it holy).
>>> The Bible doesn't say that He had a rest before doing His work. I
>>> guess that Sunday (the 'Lord's Day') became regarded as the first day
>>> of the week because of a misplaced respect for God, but it's pretty
>>> obvious that it should be the last day.
>>
>>Bear in mind that the Old Testament is a Jewish scripture, and their
>>holy day is Saturday.
>>
> Obviously this is because God began first in the Holy Land, but waited
> until he got into the swing of things before starting the following day
> doing the six days of work required to create the world elsewhere.

According to William Blake, Jerusalem was built "in England's green and
pleasant land." Mind, he was more than a bit barking, but the Holy Grail is
supposed to be at Glastonbury so maybe he was right.......or on the funny
cigarettes at the Festival.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

A pessimist is an optimist with experience.

In message <x1dvcuuak4qg.17fznz8jiabib.dlg@40tude.net>, Bob Henson
<bob.henson@outlook.com> writes
>Ian Jackson wrote:
>
>> In message <20231102190530.71bacedb@jrenewsid.jretrading.com>, Joe
>> <joe@jretrading.com> writes
>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 18:55:19 +0000
>>>Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <ui0is1$25mon$1@dont-email.me>, nib
>>>> <news@ingram-bromley.co.uk> writes
>>>> >On Thu, 02 Nov 2023 16:11:46 +0000, Colin Bignell wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On 02/11/2023 16:01, HVS wrote:
>>>> >>> When I was a kid in Canada -- 1950s and 60s -- the only calendar
>>>> >>> layout that I knew of had Sunday as the start of the week, on the
>>>> >>> left side of the calendar, and it never occurred to me that a
>>>> >>> calendar could be laid out differently.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I don't know when I first saw a calendar with Monday starting the
>>>> >>> week -- 20 or 30 years ago maybe? -- but it still throws me every
>>>> >>> time. ("Why is Wednesday where Tuesday should be?")
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Is this geographical? (I might have come across a Monday-first
>>>> >>> calendar in Europe, and my wife (who tends to prefer a
>>>> >>> Monday-starter) was raised in New Zealand.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Technical, perhaps? (Computer clocks might have been programmed
>>>> >>> by a nerd harbouring some obscure logical fixation which they
>>>> >>> want to force the rest of the world to adopt....)
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> (Yes, I've got too much time on my hands today.)
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> It is probably related to most businesses starting their working
>>>> >> week on a Monday, at least in the days when they still hung
>>>> >> calendars on the wall.
>>>> >
>>>> >Many businesses, especially continental, use ISO week numbers, which
>>>> >start on a Monday.
>>>> >
>>>> >nib
>>>>
>>>> IIRC, the Bible says that God worked for six days making the world,
>>>> and on the seventh (the Sabbath Day, Sunday) He rested (and
>>>> subsequently commanded everyone to do the same, and to keep it holy).
>>>> The Bible doesn't say that He had a rest before doing His work. I
>>>> guess that Sunday (the 'Lord's Day') became regarded as the first day
>>>> of the week because of a misplaced respect for God, but it's pretty
>>>> obvious that it should be the last day.
>>>
>>>Bear in mind that the Old Testament is a Jewish scripture, and their
>>>holy day is Saturday.
>>>
>> Obviously this is because God began first in the Holy Land, but waited
>> until he got into the swing of things before starting the following day
>> doing the six days of work required to create the world elsewhere.
>
>According to William Blake, Jerusalem was built "in England's green and
>pleasant land." Mind, he was more than a bit barking, but the Holy Grail is
>supposed to be at Glastonbury so maybe he was right.......or on the funny
>cigarettes at the Festival.
>
But of course, Blake was only speaking figuratively in his rebellious
poem. Despite the despoliation of the industrial revolution, England
could again be transformed to be like Jerusalem, the Golden City
(something like what the Brexiteers promised us).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_the_Golden_(hymn)
--
Ian
Aims and ambitions are neither attainments nor achievements

On 02/11/2023 16:33, Andy Smith wrote:
> She's seen this kit on Amazon https://tinyurl.com/yua2mtzu but at £145
> we don't know if that's good value or not, especially if she quickly
> loses interest or can't do it - and they're not the sort of things I'd
> use if she doesn't.

Most of those items will be unnecessary, for the job you have in mind,
providing you already own basic tools.

On 02/11/2023 18:55, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Sunday (the 'Lord's Day') became regarded as the first day of the week
> because of a misplaced respect for God, but it's pretty obvious that it
> should be the last day.

A typical ArtStudent comment where "it's pretty obvious" = "There is no
discernible reason whatsoever"...

The next thing you will be saying its that its obvious that a metre is
the exact length of God's Penis....

--
“Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.”

H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 02/11/2023 18:55, Ian Jackson wrote:
>> Sunday (the 'Lord's Day') became regarded as the first day of the week
>> because of a misplaced respect for God, but it's pretty obvious that it
>> should be the last day.
>
> A typical ArtStudent comment where "it's pretty obvious" = "There is no
> discernible reason whatsoever"...
>
> The next thing you will be saying its that its obvious that a metre is
> the exact length of God's Penis....

She hasn't got one.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a
man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle. -
Winston Churchill

On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 18:55:19 +0000, Ian Jackson
<ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <ui0is1$25mon$1@dont-email.me>, nib
><news@ingram-bromley.co.uk> writes
>>On Thu, 02 Nov 2023 16:11:46 +0000, Colin Bignell wrote:
>>
>>> On 02/11/2023 16:01, HVS wrote:
>>>> When I was a kid in Canada -- 1950s and 60s -- the only calendar layout
>>>> that I knew of had Sunday as the start of the week, on the left side of
>>>> the calendar, and it never occurred to me that a calendar could be laid
>>>> out differently.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know when I first saw a calendar with Monday starting the week
>>>> -- 20 or 30 years ago maybe? -- but it still throws me every time.
>>>> ("Why is Wednesday where Tuesday should be?")
>>>>
>>>> Is this geographical? (I might have come across a Monday-first calendar
>>>> in Europe, and my wife (who tends to prefer a Monday-starter) was
>>>> raised in New Zealand.
>>>>
>>>> Technical, perhaps? (Computer clocks might have been programmed by a
>>>> nerd harbouring some obscure logical fixation which they want to force
>>>> the rest of the world to adopt....)
>>>>
>>>> (Yes, I've got too much time on my hands today.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It is probably related to most businesses starting their working week on
>>> a Monday, at least in the days when they still hung calendars on the
>>> wall.
>>
>>Many businesses, especially continental, use ISO week numbers, which
>>start on a Monday.
>>
>>nib
>
>IIRC, the Bible says that God worked for six days making the world, and
>on the seventh (the Sabbath Day, Sunday) He rested (and subsequently
>commanded everyone to do the same, and to keep it holy). The Bible
>doesn't say that He had a rest before doing His work. I guess that
>Sunday (the 'Lord's Day') became regarded as the first day of the week
>because of a misplaced respect for God, but it's pretty obvious that it
>should be the last day.

I never followed that. By that logic (as you suggest) Sunday would be
day 7 not day 1.

On 03/11/2023 09:53, Bob Henson wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 02/11/2023 18:55, Ian Jackson wrote:
>>> Sunday (the 'Lord's Day') became regarded as the first day of the week
>>> because of a misplaced respect for God, but it's pretty obvious that it
>>> should be the last day.
>>
>> A typical ArtStudent comment where "it's pretty obvious" = "There is no
>> discernible reason whatsoever"...
>>
>> The next thing you will be saying its that its obvious that a metre is
>> the exact length of God's Penis....
>
> She hasn't got one.
>
Proves my point really

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I hadn't realised I had bought a washing machine with no hot water inlet.
The silly situation where I heat up 50 gallons of water in the Heat Pump
system, but cant use the hot water for the washing machine.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/11/01/birds-renaming-inclusive-racist-genocidal-histories/71394771007/

I thought that birds' names were often given to honour their discoverer?
Whatever.

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On 03/11/2023 11:50, sid wrote:
> I hadn't realised I had bought a washing machine with no hot water
> inlet. The silly situation where I heat up 50 gallons of water in the
> Heat Pump system, but cant use the hot water for the washing machine.

It's more ecoBollox innit?

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On 03/11/2023 11:50, sid wrote:
> I hadn't realised I had bought a washing machine with no hot water
> inlet. The silly situation where I heat up 50 gallons of water in the
> Heat Pump system, but cant use the hot water for the washing machine.

Washing machines start with a cold wash in order not to set certain
types of stains (protein based stains).

With low water content machines the cold water in the pipes between the
boiler/tank will often be enough for the wash and so there isn't any
chance of the hot water actually reaching the machine.

You may also find that if you research some cold/hot water inlet
machines they don't actually use the hot feed for many of the programs.

A machine without a hot feed may not be too much of a disaster.

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On 03/11/2023 11:50, sid wrote:
> I hadn't realised I had bought a washing machine with no hot water
> inlet. The silly situation where I heat up 50 gallons of water in the
> Heat Pump system, but cant use the hot water for the washing machine.

Welcome to the year 2000.
Standard domestic washing machines have been like that for a long time.

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