On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 02:09:08 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:

>I have complete and total faith in the incompetence of humanity.

Oh, it won't be through malice.

> for
>thousands of years we've been very consistent in our ability to deny
>common sense and continue destroying our environment. We've known about
>the problems we've created with regard to climate change for well over
>50 years, yet we continue, unabated. A cafe' buddy spent a career as a
>nuclear physicist, yet he thinks climate change is not an urgent
>problem. WTF?

Well, he's probably thinking in terms of thermal reactor generation
times.

>I'm glad I had it when I did. It was a fun time to be alive. The next
>generations, not so much.

I worry a bit, I'll admit. I think it will be hard and probably very
political, possibly carried on by other means, but on the whole
humanity will muddle through.

--

-Pip

On 7/25/2022 9:25 AM, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
> On 25/07/2022 10:09, Turby wrote:
>> nuclear physicist, yet he thinks climate change is not an urgent
>> problem. WTF?
>
> It's one of those conundrum thingies: doing something about is extremely
> urgent; but if you don't do anything about it, it will take at least a
> century for the 30-odd metre rise in sea-level to kick in and be
> properly noticeable to the average nuclear physicist on holiday in
> Scarborough[1]. :-(
>
> [1] Other seaside destinations will be available, e.g. Yr Wyddfa.
>
> This chart pretty much sums it up: we've had it as far as limiting to
> 1.5 degrees is concerned.
>
> <https://insideclimatenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/CarbonBudget12yearsChart529px.png>
>

Yeah, but we're seeing it now, especially here in California. We're
building more houses for the homeless, but with no guarantee of a fresh
water supply. Meanwhile our primary sources, the Colorado River's Lake
Mead and Lake Powell, are scary shallow. The state has ordered rationing
of irrigation water.
OTOH, the largest trees on the planet, the giant Sequoias, are being
threatened by fires more than ever.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62117139

It's happening now.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote in news:tbmtut$1ehpc$1@dont-email.me:

> On 7/25/2022 9:25 AM, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
>> On 25/07/2022 10:09, Turby wrote:
>>> nuclear physicist, yet he thinks climate change is not an urgent
>>> problem. WTF?
>>
>> It's one of those conundrum thingies: doing something about is
>> extremely urgent; but if you don't do anything about it, it will take
>> at least a century for the 30-odd metre rise in sea-level to kick in
>> and be properly noticeable to the average nuclear physicist on
>> holiday in Scarborough[1]. :-(
>>
>> [1] Other seaside destinations will be available, e.g. Yr Wyddfa.
>>
>> This chart pretty much sums it up: we've had it as far as limiting to
>> 1.5 degrees is concerned.
>>
>> <https://insideclimatenews.org/wp-
content/uploads/2019/11/CarbonBudget
>> 12yearsChart529px.png>
>>
>
> Yeah, but we're seeing it now, especially here in California. We're
> building more houses for the homeless, but with no guarantee of a
> fresh water supply. Meanwhile our primary sources, the Colorado
> River's Lake Mead and Lake Powell, are scary shallow. The state has
> ordered rationing of irrigation water.
> OTOH, the largest trees on the planet, the giant Sequoias, are being
> threatened by fires more than ever.
> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62117139
>
> It's happening now.
>
>

ginge

On 7/25/2022 2:19 PM, wessie wrote:
> Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote in news:tbmtut$1ehpc$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 7/25/2022 9:25 AM, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
>>>
>>> <https://insideclimatenews.org/wp-
> content/uploads/2019/11/CarbonBudget
>>> 12yearsChart529px.png>
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, but we're seeing it now, ...
>>
>> It's happening now.
>>
>
> ginge

Of course. Thunderbird has been idling on me for days. Just sits there
with the thingy twirling around. Not sure what the problem is. Might be
a Google login issue.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

Pipl wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 02:09:08 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have complete and total faith in the incompetence of humanity.
>
> Oh, it won't be through malice.

The four decades long campaign of misinformation waged by the oil
industry can't really be seen as anything other than malice.

On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 20:22:15 +0100, Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:

>>I'm glad I had it when I did. It was a fun time to be alive. The next
>>generations, not so much.

>I worry a bit, I'll admit. I think it will be hard and probably very
>political, possibly carried on by other means, but on the whole
>humanity will muddle through.

I tend to agree. Remember the CFC/ozone concerns of the 80s? I
appreciate that problem is of a different scale, but it was addressed
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 26/07/2022 12:24, Champ wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 20:22:15 +0100, Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> I'm glad I had it when I did. It was a fun time to be alive. The next
>>> generations, not so much.
>
>> I worry a bit, I'll admit. I think it will be hard and probably very
>> political, possibly carried on by other means, but on the whole
>> humanity will muddle through.
>
> I tend to agree. Remember the CFC/ozone concerns of the 80s? I
> appreciate that problem is of a different scale, but it was addressed

It was - but I have since heard that the chinese never stopped
production of CFCs (Google "chinese still producing CFCs").
However, since this report in 2018
https://www.firstpost.com/world/factories-in-china-still-using-illegal-ozone-depleting-cfcs-claims-uk-based-environmental-investigation-agency-report-4696091.html
things seem to have been stomped on if some of the other googled links
are anything to go by?

Chris

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