https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V10498/2021-06-08/detailed

<martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V10498/2021-06-08/detailed
>

That's a bit cruel to the leaders. Couldn't they have hired in a more
comfortable train, such as the new LSL Blue Pullman?

<martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V10498/2021-06-08/detailed
>

9-car 800 (not 802). Restaurant service as far as Plymouth.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

On 08/06/2021 08:54, Recliner wrote:
> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V10498/2021-06-08/detailed
>>
>
> That's a bit cruel to the leaders. Couldn't they have hired in a more
> comfortable train, such as the new LSL Blue Pullman?
>
I don't suppose our political masters are aware just how uncomfortable
the IETs are and just think of them as shiny new trains which must be
better than the old trains.

I noticed that it's running the Great Way Round rather than the Berks
and Hants. The timekeeping on the later is appalling at the moment with
most services losing time so I guess they're taking as few chances as
possible.

On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 08:48:22 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:

><martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V10498/2021-06-08/detailed
>>
>
>9-car 800 (not 802). Restaurant service as far as Plymouth.

Do we know who's travelling on it? Just UK leaders, or other G7 leaders, too?

I assume at least some of the leaders will make their own way to Cornwall, landing at the nearest convenient airport.

On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 09:52:03 +0100, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:

>On 08/06/2021 08:54, Recliner wrote:
>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V10498/2021-06-08/detailed
>>>
>>
>> That's a bit cruel to the leaders. Couldn't they have hired in a more
>> comfortable train, such as the new LSL Blue Pullman?
>>
>I don't suppose our political masters are aware just how uncomfortable
>the IETs are and just think of them as shiny new trains which must be
>better than the old trains.

Yes, you're probably right.

>
>I noticed that it's running the Great Way Round rather than the Berks
>and Hants. The timekeeping on the later is appalling at the moment with
>most services losing time so I guess they're taking as few chances as
>possible.

Yes, I wondered why it was going via Bristol rather than the more direct, and prettier Berks and Hants.

On 08/06/2021 10:59, Recliner wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 09:52:03 +0100, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>
>> On 08/06/2021 08:54, Recliner wrote:
>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V10498/2021-06-08/detailed
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's a bit cruel to the leaders. Couldn't they have hired in a more
>>> comfortable train, such as the new LSL Blue Pullman?
>>>
>> I don't suppose our political masters are aware just how uncomfortable
>> the IETs are and just think of them as shiny new trains which must be
>> better than the old trains.
>
> Yes, you're probably right.
>
>>
>> I noticed that it's running the Great Way Round rather than the Berks
>> and Hants. The timekeeping on the later is appalling at the moment with
>> most services losing time so I guess they're taking as few chances as
>> possible.
>
> Yes, I wondered why it was going via Bristol rather than the more direct, and prettier Berks and Hants.
>

Useable paths?

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 11:07:57 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>On 08/06/2021 10:59, Recliner wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 09:52:03 +0100, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/06/2021 08:54, Recliner wrote:
>>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V10498/2021-06-08/detailed
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's a bit cruel to the leaders. Couldn't they have hired in a more
>>>> comfortable train, such as the new LSL Blue Pullman?
>>>>
>>> I don't suppose our political masters are aware just how uncomfortable
>>> the IETs are and just think of them as shiny new trains which must be
>>> better than the old trains.
>>
>> Yes, you're probably right.
>>
>>>
>>> I noticed that it's running the Great Way Round rather than the Berks
>>> and Hants. The timekeeping on the later is appalling at the moment with
>>> most services losing time so I guess they're taking as few chances as
>>> possible.
>>
>> Yes, I wondered why it was going via Bristol rather than the more direct, and prettier Berks and Hants.
>>
>
>Useable paths?

Perhaps, though I'd have thought that, in the pandemic, and with many 800s still out of service, it wasn't too hard to
find a path. But the B&H provides fewer overtaking opportunities, so stopping trains might get in the way more.

<martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
> On 08/06/2021 08:54, Recliner wrote:
>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V10498/2021-06-08/detailed
>>>
>>
>> That's a bit cruel to the leaders. Couldn't they have hired in a more
>> comfortable train, such as the new LSL Blue Pullman?
>>
> I don't suppose our political masters are aware just how uncomfortable
> the IETs are and just think of them as shiny new trains which must be
> better than the old trains.
>
> I noticed that it's running the Great Way Round rather than the Berks
> and Hants. The timekeeping on the later is appalling at the moment with
> most services losing time so I guess they're taking as few chances as
> possible.
>

Heat related 30/60mph blanket TSR between Westbury and Somerton every day
11am-6pm.

Plus six other ESRs and seven existing TSRs between Reading and Taunton.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

In message <s9nhke$bm3$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:43:26 on Tue, 8 Jun 2021,
Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
><martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 08/06/2021 08:54, Recliner wrote:
>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V10498/2021-06-08/detailed
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's a bit cruel to the leaders. Couldn't they have hired in a more
>>> comfortable train, such as the new LSL Blue Pullman?
>>>
>> I don't suppose our political masters are aware just how uncomfortable
>> the IETs are and just think of them as shiny new trains which must be
>> better than the old trains.
>>
>> I noticed that it's running the Great Way Round rather than the Berks
>> and Hants. The timekeeping on the later is appalling at the moment with
>> most services losing time so I guess they're taking as few chances as
>> possible.
>
>Heat related 30/60mph blanket TSR between Westbury and Somerton every day
>11am-6pm.
>
>Plus six other ESRs and seven existing TSRs between Reading and Taunton.

Don't worry, Shapps's Fat Controller will sort this out just as soon as
he gets in post.

--
Roland Perry

On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 10:43:26 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:

><martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 08/06/2021 08:54, Recliner wrote:
>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V10498/2021-06-08/detailed
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's a bit cruel to the leaders. Couldn't they have hired in a more
>>> comfortable train, such as the new LSL Blue Pullman?
>>>
>> I don't suppose our political masters are aware just how uncomfortable
>> the IETs are and just think of them as shiny new trains which must be
>> better than the old trains.
>>
>> I noticed that it's running the Great Way Round rather than the Berks
>> and Hants. The timekeeping on the later is appalling at the moment with
>> most services losing time so I guess they're taking as few chances as
>> possible.
>>
>
>Heat related 30/60mph blanket TSR between Westbury and Somerton every day
>11am-6pm.
>
>Plus six other ESRs and seven existing TSRs between Reading and Taunton.

Just curious, is this typical, or worse than usual?

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <s9nhke$bm3$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:43:26 on Tue, 8 Jun 2021,
> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>> On 08/06/2021 08:54, Recliner wrote:
>>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V10498/2021-06-08/detailed
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's a bit cruel to the leaders. Couldn't they have hired in a more
>>>> comfortable train, such as the new LSL Blue Pullman?
>>>>
>>> I don't suppose our political masters are aware just how uncomfortable
>>> the IETs are and just think of them as shiny new trains which must be
>>> better than the old trains.
>>>
>>> I noticed that it's running the Great Way Round rather than the Berks
>>> and Hants. The timekeeping on the later is appalling at the moment with
>>> most services losing time so I guess they're taking as few chances as
>>> possible.
>>
>> Heat related 30/60mph blanket TSR between Westbury and Somerton every day
>> 11am-6pm.
>>
>> Plus six other ESRs and seven existing TSRs between Reading and Taunton.
>
> Don't worry, Shapps's Fat Controller will sort this out just as soon as
> he gets in post.

Invest in white paint futures!

Sam

--
The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
Spit the dummy to reply

In message <nneubgd2hldj8jn53he98bijcf53fm9gva@4ax.com>, at 10:41:19 on
Tue, 8 Jun 2021, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 08:48:22 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
><anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>
>><martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V10498/2021-06-08/detailed
>>>
>>
>>9-car 800 (not 802). Restaurant service as far as Plymouth.
>
>Do we know who's travelling on it? Just UK leaders, or other G7 leaders, too?

The leaders's summit is 11-13 June, so I don't expect they'd be planning
on arriving several days early.

>I assume at least some of the leaders will make their own way to
>Cornwall, landing at the nearest convenient airport.

Yes, there's chatter on social media about famous helicopters and
Osprey's lurking in the vicinity.

But let's not forget, that this G7 meeting is somewhat distributed,
having had an earlier publicised session (about finance) in London, and
other ministerial-level meetings at other venues.

Let's hope the train(s) don't suffer the same fate as befell the Labour
Party conference in Blackpool in 1998

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/183627.stm

...and that the Shapps revolution isn't still undelivered 23yrs later.
--
Roland Perry

On 08/06/2021 12:16, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <nneubgd2hldj8jn53he98bijcf53fm9gva@4ax.com>, at 10:41:19 on
> Tue, 8 Jun 2021, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 08:48:22 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
>> <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V10498/2021-06-08/detailed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> 9-car 800 (not 802). Restaurant service as far as Plymouth.
>>
>> Do we know who's travelling on it?  Just UK leaders, or other G7
>> leaders, too?
>
> The leaders's summit is 11-13 June, so I don't expect they'd be planning
> on arriving several days early.I suspect some of the hangers on need to be there earlier.
>
>> I assume at least some of the leaders will make their own way to
>> Cornwall, landing at the nearest convenient airport.
>
> Yes, there's chatter on social media about famous helicopters and
> Osprey's lurking in the vicinity.
>
> But let's not forget, that this G7 meeting is somewhat distributed,
> having had an earlier publicised session (about finance) in London, and
> other ministerial-level meetings at other venues.
>
> Let's hope the train(s) don't suffer the same fate as befell the Labour
> Party conference in Blackpool in 1998
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/183627.stm
>
> ..and that the Shapps revolution isn't still undelivered 23yrs later.

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 10:43:26 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>
>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>> On 08/06/2021 08:54, Recliner wrote:
>>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V10498/2021-06-08/detailed
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's a bit cruel to the leaders. Couldn't they have hired in a more
>>>> comfortable train, such as the new LSL Blue Pullman?
>>>>
>>> I don't suppose our political masters are aware just how uncomfortable
>>> the IETs are and just think of them as shiny new trains which must be
>>> better than the old trains.
>>>
>>> I noticed that it's running the Great Way Round rather than the Berks
>>> and Hants. The timekeeping on the later is appalling at the moment with
>>> most services losing time so I guess they're taking as few chances as
>>> possible.
>>>
>>
>> Heat related 30/60mph blanket TSR between Westbury and Somerton every day
>> 11am-6pm.
>>
>> Plus six other ESRs and seven existing TSRs between Reading and Taunton.
>
> Just curious, is this typical, or worse than usual?
>

Currently worse than usual! Down trains arriving at Taunton seem to be
consistently around 10 minutes late today.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <nneubgd2hldj8jn53he98bijcf53fm9gva@4ax.com>, at 10:41:19 on
> Tue, 8 Jun 2021, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 08:48:22 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
>> <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V10498/2021-06-08/detailed
>>>>
>>>
>>> 9-car 800 (not 802). Restaurant service as far as Plymouth.
>>
>> Do we know who's travelling on it? Just UK leaders, or other G7 leaders, too?
>
> The leaders's summit is 11-13 June, so I don't expect they'd be planning
> on arriving several days early.
>
>> I assume at least some of the leaders will make their own way to
>> Cornwall, landing at the nearest convenient airport.
>
> Yes, there's chatter on social media about famous helicopters and
> Osprey's lurking in the vicinity.
>
> But let's not forget, that this G7 meeting is somewhat distributed,
> having had an earlier publicised session (about finance) in London, and
> other ministerial-level meetings at other venues.
>

US presidents usually arrive in Stansted on AF1, then use Marine 1 to get
to London or Windsor. I've previously seen a squadron of Ospreys, but am
not sure what role they play — do they fly alongside Marine 1?

But I wonder how he'll get to Cornwall? It's a bit far for a helicopter.
Of course, Biden is a rail enthusiast…

On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 14:00:24 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>US presidents usually arrive in Stansted on AF1, then use Marine 1 to get
>to London or Windsor. I've previously seen a squadron of Ospreys, but am
>not sure what role they play — do they fly alongside Marine 1?
>
>But I wonder how he'll get to Cornwall? It's a bit far for a helicopter.
>Of course, Biden is a rail enthusiast…

He could fly into Newquay airport. As a former RAF base it's perfectly
capable of handling AF1. And, because the current civil airport
facilities only take up a small proportion of the site, he can easily
disembark from the plane and leave via the back entrance, or transfer to
a helicopter for onward travel, without needing to pass through, or even
near, the passenger terminal.

Mark

In message <s9nt5o$cd$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:00:24 on Tue, 8 Jun 2021,
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <nneubgd2hldj8jn53he98bijcf53fm9gva@4ax.com>, at 10:41:19 on
>> Tue, 8 Jun 2021, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 08:48:22 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
>>> <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V10498/2021-06-08/detailed
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 9-car 800 (not 802). Restaurant service as far as Plymouth.
>>>
>>> Do we know who's travelling on it? Just UK leaders, or other G7
>>>leaders, too?
>>
>> The leaders's summit is 11-13 June, so I don't expect they'd be planning
>> on arriving several days early.
>>
>>> I assume at least some of the leaders will make their own way to
>>> Cornwall, landing at the nearest convenient airport.
>>
>> Yes, there's chatter on social media about famous helicopters and
>> Osprey's lurking in the vicinity.
>>
>> But let's not forget, that this G7 meeting is somewhat distributed,
>> having had an earlier publicised session (about finance) in London, and
>> other ministerial-level meetings at other venues.
>
>US presidents usually arrive in Stansted on AF1, then use Marine 1 to get
>to London or Windsor.

While there have been some well publicised examples of that, I suspect
that they more often use Mildenhall. Especially if their ultimate
destination isn't London. I've seen AF1 departing Mildenhall (from my
vantage point under the flightpath in ... oh dear ... Ely).

Or if the RAF gave them a hand, maybe somewhere like Brize Norton.

>I've previously seen a squadron of Ospreys, but am
>not sure what role they play — do they fly alongside Marine 1?

They are almost certainly not used for civilians, rather than special
forces (which might or might not in this case include the Secret
Service).

>But I wonder how he'll get to Cornwall? It's a bit far for a helicopter.
>Of course, Biden is a rail enthusiast…

It's well within the range of a Marine 1 (1,000km aka 620 miles)
according to that well known wonky pedia.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <s9nt5o$cd$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:00:24 on Tue, 8 Jun 2021,
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <nneubgd2hldj8jn53he98bijcf53fm9gva@4ax.com>, at 10:41:19 on
>>> Tue, 8 Jun 2021, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 08:48:22 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
>>>> <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V10498/2021-06-08/detailed
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 9-car 800 (not 802). Restaurant service as far as Plymouth.
>>>>
>>>> Do we know who's travelling on it? Just UK leaders, or other G7
>>>> leaders, too?
>>>
>>> The leaders's summit is 11-13 June, so I don't expect they'd be planning
>>> on arriving several days early.
>>>
>>>> I assume at least some of the leaders will make their own way to
>>>> Cornwall, landing at the nearest convenient airport.
>>>
>>> Yes, there's chatter on social media about famous helicopters and
>>> Osprey's lurking in the vicinity.
>>>
>>> But let's not forget, that this G7 meeting is somewhat distributed,
>>> having had an earlier publicised session (about finance) in London, and
>>> other ministerial-level meetings at other venues.
>>
>> US presidents usually arrive in Stansted on AF1, then use Marine 1 to get
>> to London or Windsor.
>
> While there have been some well publicised examples of that, I suspect
> that they more often use Mildenhall. Especially if their ultimate
> destination isn't London. I've seen AF1 departing Mildenhall (from my
> vantage point under the flightpath in ... oh dear ... Ely).
>
> Or if the RAF gave them a hand, maybe somewhere like Brize Norton.

I think the big support military freighters fly there in advance, carrying
the cars, etc. They even sometimes fly into Northolt, which surprised me
the first time.

>
>> I've previously seen a squadron of Ospreys, but am
>> not sure what role they play — do they fly alongside Marine 1?
>
> They are almost certainly not used for civilians, rather than special
> forces (which might or might not in this case include the Secret
> Service).

Yes, that's what I assumed.

>
>> But I wonder how he'll get to Cornwall? It's a bit far for a helicopter.
>> Of course, Biden is a rail enthusiast…
>
> It's well within the range of a Marine 1 (1,000km aka 620 miles)
> according to that well known wonky pedia.

It sounds like he can fly directly to Newquay on AF1, then Marine 1 to the
conference.

On 08/06/2021 15:00, Recliner wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <nneubgd2hldj8jn53he98bijcf53fm9gva@4ax.com>, at 10:41:19 on
>> Tue, 8 Jun 2021, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 08:48:22 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
>>> <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V10498/2021-06-08/detailed
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 9-car 800 (not 802). Restaurant service as far as Plymouth.
>>>
>>> Do we know who's travelling on it? Just UK leaders, or other G7 leaders, too?
>>
>> The leaders's summit is 11-13 June, so I don't expect they'd be planning
>> on arriving several days early.
>>
>>> I assume at least some of the leaders will make their own way to
>>> Cornwall, landing at the nearest convenient airport.
>>
>> Yes, there's chatter on social media about famous helicopters and
>> Osprey's lurking in the vicinity.
>>
>> But let's not forget, that this G7 meeting is somewhat distributed,
>> having had an earlier publicised session (about finance) in London, and
>> other ministerial-level meetings at other venues.
>>
>
> US presidents usually arrive in Stansted on AF1, then use Marine 1 to get
> to London or Windsor. I've previously seen a squadron of Ospreys, but am
> not sure what role they play — do they fly alongside Marine 1?
>
> But I wonder how he'll get to Cornwall? It's a bit far for a helicopter.
> Of course, Biden is a rail enthusiast…
>
Rail for the US President over that distance? It'll never happen, sorry
to say.

On 08/06/2021 15:10, Mark Goodge wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 14:00:24 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> US presidents usually arrive in Stansted on AF1, then use Marine 1 to get
>> to London or Windsor. I've previously seen a squadron of Ospreys, but am
>> not sure what role they play — do they fly alongside Marine 1?
>>
>> But I wonder how he'll get to Cornwall? It's a bit far for a helicopter.
>> Of course, Biden is a rail enthusiast…
>
> He could fly into Newquay airport. As a former RAF base it's perfectly
> capable of handling AF1. And, because the current civil airport
> facilities only take up a small proportion of the site, he can easily
> disembark from the plane and leave via the back entrance, or transfer to
> a helicopter for onward travel, without needing to pass through, or even
> near, the passenger terminal.
>
> Mark
>
They would likely shut down the airport before and for a while after his
arrival.

On 08/06/2021 08:54, Recliner wrote:
> That's a bit cruel to the leaders. Couldn't they have hired in a more
> comfortable train, such as the new LSL Blue Pullman?
>

Surely none of the leaders are travelling by train? Won't it just be
the minions?

On 08/06/2021 16:01, Roland Perry wrote:
>> But I wonder how he'll get to Cornwall? It's a bit far for a helicopter.
>> Of course, Biden is a rail enthusiast…
> It's well within the range of a Marine 1 (1,000km aka 620 miles)
> according to that well known wonky pedia.

I don't know if they still do so but there used to be requirement for
full SAR cover when POTUS is in the air so there would be helicopters
stationed across the Atlantic (with inflight refuelling) and the SAR
version of Hercules (probably updated now to a later aircraft).

On 2021-06-08 15:35:43 +0000, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk said:

> On 08/06/2021 15:00, Recliner wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <nneubgd2hldj8jn53he98bijcf53fm9gva@4ax.com>, at 10:41:19 on
>>> Tue, 8 Jun 2021, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 08:48:22 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
>>>> <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V10498/2021-06-08/detailed
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 9-car 800 (not 802). Restaurant service as far as Plymouth.
>>>>
>>>> Do we know who's travelling on it? Just UK leaders, or other G7 leaders, too?
>>>
>>> The leaders's summit is 11-13 June, so I don't expect they'd be planning
>>> on arriving several days early.
>>>
>>>> I assume at least some of the leaders will make their own way to
>>>> Cornwall, landing at the nearest convenient airport.
>>>
>>> Yes, there's chatter on social media about famous helicopters and
>>> Osprey's lurking in the vicinity.
>>>
>>> But let's not forget, that this G7 meeting is somewhat distributed,
>>> having had an earlier publicised session (about finance) in London, and
>>> other ministerial-level meetings at other venues.
>>>
>>
>> US presidents usually arrive in Stansted on AF1, then use Marine 1 to get
>> to London or Windsor. I've previously seen a squadron of Ospreys, but am
>> not sure what role they play — do they fly alongside Marine 1?
>>
>> But I wonder how he'll get to Cornwall? It's a bit far for a helicopter.
>> Of course, Biden is a rail enthusiast…
>>
> Rail for the US President over that distance? It'll never happen, sorry to say.

This is Amtrak Joe we're talking about, perhaps he'll do things differently.

Robin

On 08/06/2021 17:36, bob wrote:
> On 2021-06-08 15:35:43 +0000, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk said:
>
>> On 08/06/2021 15:00, Recliner wrote:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <nneubgd2hldj8jn53he98bijcf53fm9gva@4ax.com>, at 10:41:19 on
>>>> Tue, 8 Jun 2021, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 08:48:22 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
>>>>> <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V10498/2021-06-08/detailed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 9-car 800 (not 802). Restaurant service as far as Plymouth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do we know who's travelling on it?  Just UK leaders, or other G7
>>>>> leaders, too?
>>>>
>>>> The leaders's summit is 11-13 June, so I don't expect they'd be
>>>> planning
>>>> on arriving several days early.
>>>>
>>>>> I assume at least some of the leaders will make their own way to
>>>>> Cornwall, landing at the nearest convenient airport.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, there's chatter on social media about famous helicopters and
>>>> Osprey's lurking in the vicinity.
>>>>
>>>> But let's not forget, that this G7 meeting is somewhat distributed,
>>>> having had an earlier publicised session (about finance) in London, and
>>>> other ministerial-level meetings at other venues.
>>>>
>>>
>>> US presidents usually arrive in Stansted on AF1, then use Marine 1 to
>>> get
>>> to London or Windsor. I've previously seen a squadron of Ospreys, but am
>>> not sure what role they play — do they fly alongside Marine 1?
>>>
>>> But I wonder how he'll get to Cornwall?  It's a bit far for a
>>> helicopter.
>>> Of course, Biden is a rail enthusiast…
>>>
>> Rail for the US President over that distance? It'll never happen,
>> sorry to say.
>
> This is Amtrak Joe we're talking about, perhaps he'll do things
> differently.
>
> Robin
>
I don't think that this is up to him, much as he personally might like
that.