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>> They certainly don't pander to the unions like Labor does
>> and in fact have gone out of their way to fuck over the worst
>> of the unions and have done some strike busting, including
>> organising goons to break some strikes.

> I don't agree with the violence, if that is what it was.

No it wasn't. they just sent in the scabs.

> Some
> Unions do good

None of ours do.

> as some get carried away as the auto Unions did, and if
> you look at Detroit today you see the result.

We never saw any of that. And we never saw the
govt send in the troops with machine guns either.

We did see the army used to do the coal mining for a while.

>>>>> Liberals here are just freeloaders and crybabies.
>>
>>>> That's bullshit with some like Gates and Buffet.
>>
>>> In the USA, not all Democrats are liberals.
>>
>> Sure, but Gates and Buffer certainly are.

> I don't know if they are liberals US style.

Of course they are, well left of center.

>>> Liberals within the Democratic Party are likethe Tea Party was within
>>> the Republicans.
>>
>> No, you are talking about fools like AOC's 'gang'
>
> True, but they have much sway over Biden,

I don't believe that. His stupid spending binge was all his own work.

> though most call them
> progressives and progressives are scum.
>>
>> Those arent liberals, just nut cases.
>
> Yes, Progressives and yet many times liberals fear not going along
> with the progressives like with the defund the police movement it
> wasn't until crime skyrocketed that the US liberals started opposing
> the progressive defund movement.

Oh bullshit.

>>> I doubt it Gates or Buffet would call on defunding the police and then
>>> bitch when there is more crime as the liberals have.
>>
>> Sure, but they are liberals anyway.
>
> Well, some call me a conservative,

Of course you are with your comments about liberals.

> and yet I disagree with Trump,
> and the Tea Party, and about half what the Republicans do.

And lots lof liberals in the USA disagree with the more rabid
nut case lines about defunding the cops and AOC's stupid crap.
And in fact even the Dems ensured that she had no chance of
being the presidential candidate. They did that with Sanders too.

> I think of
> myself as an independent and at least that is how I vote, don't vote
> for the "Party", but for who I think is best.

But are also very conserative.

> Then again, I am
> against raising the US debt and giving away freebies to buy votes as
> the current Democratic Party seems to be pushing.

They all do. Trump did it with his tax cuts.

> I believe in at
> least some personal responsibility. The Democrats want to give drug
> addicts kits to use for taking drugs.

That has some real advantages health with avoiding shared needles.

We hand out free needles too.

>>> Then again, I know for a fact they both employ private security.
>>
>> Sure, but that doesnt mean they arent liberals or that
>> either of them are just freeloaders and crybabies.
>
> I will admit they could be liberal to a degree. Hard core liberals
> no. They are capitalist.

But both want to see higher taxes on business.

> What political Party to you support in OZ?

The coalition. But I don't bother to vote even tho
voting is compulsory here.

>>>>>>> The left in the USA is far from perfect.
>>>>
>>>>>> The left and right anywhere are all far from perfect.
>>>>
>>>>> Agree.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Then you have the BLM movement
>>>>>>> and the theft of millions of donations,and the progressives do
>>>>>>> nothing.
>>>>
>>>>>>> The so-called squad is an example of how the progressive/liberal
>>>>>>> movement is wrong. Trump is an example of the right being idiotic.
>>>>
>>>>>> And the Tea Party fools.
>>>>
>>>>> You don't see them much anymore.
>>>>
>>>> But they were even more idiotic than Trump.
>>
>>> True.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Time to put major parties last and look for known independents
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is even worse, essentially because they all have their own
>>>>>>>> hobby horse or are stupid ego maniacs like Palmer and Hanson
>>>>>>>> and compressively fuck up viable govt if they do manage to end
>>>>>>>> up with the balance of power.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The crazy guy down your road is more likely to speak for your
>>>>>>>>> area
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But has no chance of getting anything done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> than that of a lobbyist (who run your parties and workfor
>>>>>>>>> China/Russia/Marx/LGBT and control the media)
>>>>>>>>> That's why I vote for Christian Church representatives.
>>>>>>>>> https://www.cdp.org.au/about-the-cdp/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fuck them, they are useless god botherers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nile never managed a damned thing. The DLP in spades.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Charlatanism is a necessary price of political freedom,
>>>>>>>>> and if a self-proclaimed politician, persuades others to believe
>>>>>>>>> in a party which propounds,lack of sincerity or integrity on the
>>>>>>>>> parties part, but is not incompatible with the parties character
>>>>>>>>> or their beliefs, practices and observances and being accepted
>>>>>>>>> by their voters, why not?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
>>>>>>>>> *LAST*, Federal, State and Council!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your vote is irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We managed to end up with a shooters, fishers and farmers
>>>>>>>> party member in our state seat. The stupid cow just posses
>>>>>>>> for photos and whines about not being invited to the opening
>>>>>>>> of anything funded by the state govt. Complete waste of time.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >with China to keep himself in power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I think quite a few exporters to China will be glad if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Labor gets in and improve relations with China
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >instead of climbing up the arse of Trump and Co
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump has been gone for over a year now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Make Australia Great Again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAGA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Latham has seen the light
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voting Coalition, Labor or "Greens" because you hate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like eating shit because you hate spinach
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *LAST*, Federal State and Council!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes but the chances are high that he will be back in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...lets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face it the old senile fool they have now doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inspire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confidence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No there is no chance of Trump getting the nomination I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is completely silly given that he got quite close to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting a second term and the voters will see how badly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe has fucked up by the time they get to vote again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is why I said "I hope". I'm hoping neither get the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nomination
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its a silly hope, politics doesn't work like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> At times it seems that all we can have is hope for good
>>>>>>>>>>>>> politicians.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No one with any sense is stupid enough to want to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>> politician.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then how can you have good government?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> By accepting the fact that while democracy has real downsides,
>>>>>>>>>> particularly with pollys being able to bribe voters to vote for
>>>>>>>>>> them with the money they collect from the voters in taxation,
>>>>>>>>>> that it is still vastly better than any alternative and when the
>>>>>>>>>> pollys fuck up badly enough, they can be given the bums
>>>>>>>>>> rush at the ballot box.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Corse with some stuff like the insane amount of money
>>>>>>>>>> the USA pisses against the wall on the total military
>>>>>>>>>> system, you do have a real problem with the fact that
>>>>>>>>>> both the alternative govts have the same stupid policy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can't even stop that arsehole Putin grabbing whatever he chooses
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> grab.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Biden emboldened Putin by removing sanctions Trump put in place
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> and his inept handling of the withdrawal from Afghanistan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit. Nothing Biden did made any difference. He
>>>>>> has been doing this stuff long before Biden was pres
>>>>>> with Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and the Ukraine.
>>>>
>>>>> Sure.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Then Ukraine was a nuclear power for a time and was stupid.It
>>>>>>> trusted
>>>>>>> the West. Should never have given them up.
>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, but it is far from clear that it would
>>>>>> be firing them now if it had kept them.
>>>>
>>>>> Would have made a good deterrent.
>>>>
>>>> Not really given that russia could turn the whole of the
>>>> Ukraine into molten glass just by pressing the button.
>>
>>> Yes as they could much of the US and we could much of Russia it is
>>> called mutual assured destruction. No more Moscow though.
>>
>> None of that would happen if Ukraine was stupid enough to nuke Moscow.

> Yes but if Ukraine would have kept is weapons Putin might have
> thought twice about attacking.

Dunno, Russia has attacked China after they got their own nukes.

>>>>>>> If the West gives security guarantees andyou believe these
>>>>>>> two-faced
>>>>>>> EU countries,
>>>>
>>>>>> The problem is NATO, not EU countrys.
>>>>
>>>>> OK
>>>>
>>>>>>> then we are seeing what happens. NowRussia better hope they didn't
>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>> any.
>>>>
>>>>>> Can't see them firing them even if they did.
>>>>
>>>>> I can
>>>>
>>>> They arent stupid enough to suicide like that.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> But likely will be able to stop that arsehole Xi grabbing Taiwan.
>>>>
>>>>>>> I doubt we could
>>>>
>>>>>> Corse the US can. China doesnt have anything even
>>>>>> remotely like what it needs to do a successful amphibious
>>>>>> invasion of Taiwan. The USA can sink the lot anytime it likes.
>>>>
>>>>> They won't.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing to stop them doing that and Taiwan can do that too.
>>
>>> Maybe.
>>
>> No maybe about it. The surface navy
>> is history now given what Taiwan has.
>>
>>>>>>> or would if they took it while Biden is President.
>>>>
>>>>>> That remains to be seen.
>>>>
>>>>> True.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at what we have had there was Trump, a total egotistical
>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardly the first time that has happened.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> True.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then we have Biden, a man that pretended to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (US) liberal, but was a progressive, and far-left,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nowhere near as far left as AOC and Sanders.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is like saying putting your hand into boilingwater is OK
>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>> it isn't as hot as Lava.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, nothing like, because neither of those
>>>>>>>>>> 3 alternatives are anything like as bad as that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that uses tax money and promises of tax money to buy votes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Corse no other politician has evere done anything like that,
>>>>>>>>>>>> eh
>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Does that make it right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is no such thing as right and wrong with politics.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Its one of the real downsides with any democracy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can hope.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Have fun listing any 'good politician' who never does
>>>>>>>>>>>> anything like that that has any chance of becoming Pres.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And no pres matters much, its congress that decides what
>>>>>>>>>>>> happens.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not so much with Trump and Biden they seem
>>>>>>>>>>> to believe they can rule with executive orders.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They don't in fact rule a damned thing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And Biden's stupid mega spending binge can't be done with
>>>>>>>>>> executive
>>>>>>>>>> orders. He has to convince Congress to spend that money.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Same with Trump's stupid wall. He never did get Congress to pay
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well guess Obama did that also just not as much.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Except for Cruz, Kamala Harris, Pelosi, or AOC, I can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think of anyone worse that might run.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one else has any hope of winning and those that decide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who will run know that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Those that decide"? I always hoped that was the American
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Utterly naive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then who is it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It isn't any particular individual or group.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I know lately it is the party be it, Republican or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democrat,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to be above reproach, and if you care, you will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> censoredby
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 'Party'. Sounds like Germany in the 1930s and 40s.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing like in fact.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yep. No concentration camps, no summary execution of internal
>>>>>>>>>> rivals.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not even any censoring of the press or media either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would be interesting to know who really does control both
>>>>>>>>>>>>> parties.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No one does.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then with the left it is the mob
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No it is not. That isn't what ensured that Sanders and
>>>>>>>>>> AOC never has a hope of being the presidential candidate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and with the right it is corporations
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's bullshit too. They didn't make Trump their presidential
>>>>>>>>>> candidate
>>>>>>>>>> and they don't decide who are their congresscritters either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> if you believe the media.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Only fools do that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden is to far left and senile at that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And has produced very high inflation with his stupid binge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending when a lot has already been spent on covid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes and how much of that went to consulting firms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much for consulting firms in the USA. Does theh left do so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OZ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is good as IMO it many times is just a waste on Money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden might even be in Soros packet with a Marxist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mindless conspiracy theory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No maybe about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe, but maybe not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mindless conspiracy theory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Soros is a ass and egotistical as Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But it is impossible for him to have Biden in his pocket.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So you claim.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How do you propose he would do that ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Promise him a fucking great bag of money once he leaves office ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Biden doesn't work like that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but then as senile as he is and stupid he might just be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> puppet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mindless conspiracy theory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> His current views are so far left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not so far left as Sanders and AOC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting there though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, nowhere near that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sanders and AOC are total Socialists to the point of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marxism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, Marxism is completely different.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes but if the USSR is a example
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It isn't with the modern first and second world.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it starts out as socialist idea.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's wrong too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Marxism is to be fought against in all its forms.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No need, everyone who tried it has given up on it now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and he is such an idiot he acts like a far-left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> progressive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, just quite left and a stupid binge spender.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe on how for left. Biden does like to use the credit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> card
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will let the kids pay it off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They all do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden's pulling the troops out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan before pulling out the civilians is proof of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an idiot he is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it will be a dark day if they relect him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and did you not see the "and co"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After reading all this can you tell me what type of government
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> prefer,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any decent democracy. Yes there are real downsides with that
>>>>>>>> approach,
>>>>>>>> but it leaves all the alternatives for dead, essentially because
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>> determining policy fuck up badly enough, or are useless, the
>>>>>>>> voters
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> give them the bums rush at the ballot box and they do that very
>>>>>>>> often.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What great Democracies?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The UK, USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc etc etc.
>>>>
>>>>> OK. Then you like their governments as thy are now?
>>>>
>>>> Nope, but it is a lot better than any alternative.
>>
>>> So far.
>>
>> No one has come up with anything better in centurys now.
>>
>> The only real change is that some have been stupid enough
>> to go for proportional representation and that ALWAYS
>> produces very unstable govt and fools like the Greens
>> in Germany having FAR more say on political policy
>> than the number who are actually stupid enough to
>> vote for them warrants.

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On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 09:46:14 +1100, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 13:56:21 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 13:07:18 +1100, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 15:32:38 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 14:11:36 +1100, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 06:30:29 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 09:38:31 -0800, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 15:17:08 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 19:52:59 -0800, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> big snip
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, Marxism is completely different.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes but if the USSR is a example
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It isn't with the modern first and second world.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it starts out as socialist idea.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's wrong too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Marxism is to be fought against in all its forms.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No need, everyone who tried it has given up on it now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and he is such an idiot he acts like a far-left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> progressive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, just quite left and a stupid binge spender.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe on how for left. Biden does like to use the credit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> card
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will let the kids pay it off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They all do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden's pulling the troops out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan before pulling out the civilians is proof of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an idiot he is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it will be a dark day if they relect him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and did you not see the "and co"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After reading all this can you tell me what type of government
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> prefer, and is capable of working?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All parties get overrun by Charlatanism (in US RINO/DINO).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You do know a RINO is anyone that doesn't serve the Party but
>>>>>>> instead serves their constituents? I don't want my representative
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> say, Heil Trump or Heil Biden.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> So why are they in a "party" at all?
>>>>>> Everyone knows why.
>>>>>> It's because they wouldn't get elected as a "independent"!
>>>>>> They don't care what party they act in, the pay and corruption is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> same both sides of the fence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sad but true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Time to put major parties last and look for known independents
>>>>>>>> The crazy guy down your road is more likely to speak for your area
>>>>>>>> than that of a lobbyist (who run your parties and work for
>>>>>>>> China/Russia/Marx/LGBT and control the media)
>>>>>>>> That's why I vote for Christian Church representatives.
>>>>>>>> https://www.cdp.org.au/about-the-cdp/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Charlatanism is a necessary price of political freedom,
>>>>>>>> and if a self-proclaimed politician, persuades others to believe
>>>>>>>> in a party which propounds,lack of sincerity or integrity on the
>>>>>>>> parties part, but is not incompatible with the parties character
>>>>>>>> or their beliefs, practices and observances and being accepted
>>>>>>>> by their voters, why not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you consider Trump or Biden to be one of these "Charlatanism"
>>>>>>> types?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both are,
>>>>>> Biden is and has always been completly a corrupt liar and thief!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump not as bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump is bad just in a different way.
>>>>>> Most certainly did a better job than Biden.
>>>>>
>>>>> That isn't saying much.
>>>>>
>>>>>> America was progressing under Trump.
>>>>>> Under Biden
>>>>>> https://ibb.co/Zc00X31
>>>>>> Trump is and was correct
>>>>>> "If Biden gets in you're going to end up with a depression the likes
>>>>>> of which you've never seen. You'll be lucky If you end up with a
>>>>>> country at all." - President Donald J. Trump July 19, 2020
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Barack Obama once warned not to underestimate Joe Biden’s ‘ability
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> f**k things up’
>>>>>
>>>>> For 2 decades theh USA hasn't had any good choice for President..
>>>>
>>>> Didn't have before that either. Ike wasn't too bad but was stupid
>>>> enough
>>>> to support fools like the Shah etc. And was stupid enough to support
>>>> the
>>>> french in vietnam.
>>
>>> I'm not that old and when younger was to busy to pay as much
>>> attention to politics as I do now.
>>
>> Sure but you can still read some decent history.
>
> I could but Id need to find old history books to get truth.
>>
>>>> FDR was very effective, but you would have hated him if you had
>>>> been around then.
>>
>>> FDR was a evil man with his signing of Executive Order 9066 and the
>>> Japanese American internment camps.
>>
>> Nothing evil about that, it was a sensible precaution.

> Then why not do it to Germans?

Because they has been in the USA for much longer.

>>> He was a Democrat
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> and a racist.
>>
>> Nope. He just realised that it was Japan that did Pearl Harbor.
>>
>> Plenty like the UK interred Germans in europe.
>>
>>>> JFK did nothing useful at all and got involved in vietnam.
>>
>>> Vietnam problem began with the Treaty of Versailles.
>>
>> Nope, that treaty had nothing to do with the european colonys.

> Sure it did not give/divide the world up including the Middle East
> to the French and British empires?.

Not in SE asia, essentially because there were no german colonys there.

>> They weren't even involved in WW1 in the sense of being occupied
>> by AustroHungarian empire.
>>
>> The Vietnam problem began when Japan showed all those SE
>> asian colonys that they could kick out their colonial masters.
>>
>> The french believed that they could return to theirs and got
>> kicked out eventually even tho Ike was stupid enough to
>> try to assist the french to stay there.

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> I would not say those were "goons"

They were just that.

>>> Some
>>> Unions do good
>>
>> None of ours do.
>>
>>> as some get carried away as the auto Unions did, and if
>>> you look at Detroit today you see the result.
>>
>> We never saw any of that. And we never saw the
>> govt send in the troops with machine guns either.
>>
>> We did see the army used to do the coal mining for a while.
>>
>>>>>>> Liberals here are just freeloaders and crybabies.
>>>>
>>>>>> That's bullshit with some like Gates and Buffet.
>>>>
>>>>> In the USA, not all Democrats are liberals.
>>>>
>>>> Sure, but Gates and Buffer certainly are.
>>
>>> I don't know if they are liberals US style.
>>
>> Of course they are, well left of center.
>
> Liberals are not left of center farther left than that.

Wrong.

> Not all
> Democrats are US liberals.

You are using a silly definition of a liberal.

>>>>> Liberals within the Democratic Party are likethe Tea Party was
>>>>> within
>>>>> the Republicans.
>>>>
>>>> No, you are talking about fools like AOC's 'gang'
>>>
>>> True, but they have much sway over Biden,
>>
>> I don't believe that. His stupid spending binge was all his own work.
>
> It just happened to look and copy AOC's 'New Green Deal' to a large
> degree.

Bullshit it did. They just happen to have some of
the same policy choices. No copying involved.

>>> though most call them
>>> progressives and progressives are scum.
>>>>
>>>> Those arent liberals, just nut cases.
>>>
>>> Yes, Progressives and yet many times liberals fear not going along
>>> with the progressives like with the defund the police movement it
>>> wasn't until crime skyrocketed that the US liberals started opposing
>>> the progressive defund movement.
>>
>> Oh bullshit.
>>
>>>>> I doubt it Gates or Buffet would call on defunding the police and
>>>>> then
>>>>> bitch when there is more crime as the liberals have.
>>>>
>>>> Sure, but they are liberals anyway.
>>>
>>> Well, some call me a conservative,
>>
>> Of course you are with your comments about liberals.

> When the Tea Party was around my comments about them were not much
> if any better. I will not give the Democratic Party or the
> Republicans the "Heil" to the Party salute.

Thats a different issue to what policy choices you support.

Yours are quite conservative.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >with China to keep himself in power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I think quite a few exporters to China will be glad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Labor gets in and improve relations with China
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >instead of climbing up the arse of Trump and Co
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump has been gone for over a year now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Make Australia Great Again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAGA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Latham has seen the light
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voting Coalition, Labor or "Greens" because you hate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like eating shit because you hate spinach
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *LAST*, Federal State and Council!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes but the chances are high that he will be back in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...lets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face it the old senile fool they have now doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inspire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confidence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No there is no chance of Trump getting the nomination I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is completely silly given that he got quite close
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting a second term and the voters will see how badly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe has fucked up by the time they get to vote again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is why I said "I hope". I'm hoping neither get the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nomination
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its a silly hope, politics doesn't work like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At times it seems that all we can have is hope for good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politicians.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one with any sense is stupid enough to want to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politician.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then how can you have good government?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> By accepting the fact that while democracy has real downsides,
>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly with pollys being able to bribe voters to vote
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> them with the money they collect from the voters in taxation,
>>>>>>>>>>>> that it is still vastly better than any alternative and when
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> pollys fuck up badly enough, they can be given the bums
>>>>>>>>>>>> rush at the ballot box.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Corse with some stuff like the insane amount of money
>>>>>>>>>>>> the USA pisses against the wall on the total military
>>>>>>>>>>>> system, you do have a real problem with the fact that
>>>>>>>>>>>> both the alternative govts have the same stupid policy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can't even stop that arsehole Putin grabbing whatever he chooses
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> grab.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Biden emboldened Putin by removing sanctions Trump put in place
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> and his inept handling of the withdrawal from Afghanistan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit. Nothing Biden did made any difference. He
>>>>>>>> has been doing this stuff long before Biden was pres
>>>>>>>> with Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and the Ukraine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then Ukraine was a nuclear power for a time and was stupid.It
>>>>>>>>> trusted
>>>>>>>>> the West. Should never have given them up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, but it is far from clear that it would
>>>>>>>> be firing them now if it had kept them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would have made a good deterrent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not really given that russia could turn the whole of the
>>>>>> Ukraine into molten glass just by pressing the button.
>>>>
>>>>> Yes as they could much of the US and we could much of Russia it is
>>>>> called mutual assured destruction. No more Moscow though.
>>>>
>>>> None of that would happen if Ukraine was stupid enough to nuke Moscow.
>>
>>> Yes but if Ukraine would have kept is weapons Putin might have
>>> thought twice about attacking.
>>
>> Dunno, Russia has attacked China after they got their own nukes.

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> I'll have to take your words for it but people whocross picket lines are
> not always Goons in the USA.

Sure, but these weren't volunteers, they were paid goons.

I have been a strike breaker myself.

>>>>> Some
>>>>> Unions do good
>>>>
>>>> None of ours do.
>>>>
>>>>> as some get carried away as the auto Unions did, and if
>>>>> you look at Detroit today you see the result.
>>>>
>>>> We never saw any of that. And we never saw the
>>>> govt send in the troops with machine guns either.
>>>>
>>>> We did see the army used to do the coal mining for a while.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Liberals here are just freeloaders and crybabies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's bullshit with some like Gates and Buffet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the USA, not all Democrats are liberals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, but Gates and Buffer certainly are.
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if they are liberals US style.
>>>>
>>>> Of course they are, well left of center.
>>>
>>> Liberals are not left of center farther left than that.
>>
>> Wrong.
>
> Not in the USA.

Thats bullshit with Gates and Buffet. Both liberals.

> A Democrat might be center-left, but in the USA a
> liberal is far left,

Bullshit with Gates and Buffet.

> and then you have progressive, far far left and
> mostly socialist/communist. Liberal/progressive USA style is of the
> Woke and Cancel crowd of idiots.

Bullshit with Gates and Buffet.

>>> Not all
>>> Democrats are US liberals.
>>
>> You are using a silly definition of a liberal.

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> OK

>> I have been a strike breaker myself.

> Bad boy. ;-)

That was another classic example of a stupid
union trying to fuck over the general public.

>>>>>>> Some
>>>>>>> Unions do good
>>>>>>
>>>>>> None of ours do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as some get carried away as the auto Unions did, and if
>>>>>>> you look at Detroit today you see the result.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We never saw any of that. And we never saw the
>>>>>> govt send in the troops with machine guns either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We did see the army used to do the coal mining for a while.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Liberals here are just freeloaders and crybabies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's bullshit with some like Gates and Buffet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the USA, not all Democrats are liberals.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure, but Gates and Buffer certainly are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know if they are liberals US style.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course they are, well left of center.
>>>>>
>>>>> Liberals are not left of center farther left than that.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong.
>>>
>>> Not in the USA.
>>
>> Thats bullshit with Gates and Buffet. Both liberals.

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Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, Marxism is completely different.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes but if the USSR is a example
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't with the modern first and second world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it starts out as socialist idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's wrong too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marxism is to be fought against in all its forms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No need, everyone who tried it has given up on it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and he is such an idiot he acts like a far-left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> progressive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, just quite left and a stupid binge spender.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe on how for left. Biden does like to use the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> credit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> card
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will let the kids pay it off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They all do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden's pulling the troops out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan before pulling out the civilians is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proof
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an idiot he is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it will be a dark day if they relect him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and did you not see the "and co"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After reading all this can you tell me what type of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer, and is capable of working?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All parties get overrun by Charlatanism (in US
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RINO/DINO).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Libs haven't been.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That isn't true.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fraid so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just look at AOC and the racist Ilhan Omar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was talking about our Liberal Party, the main coalition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partner here, not your libs. Yours don't have a capital
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> letter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is different, wish our Democrats were more like your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are in fact equivalent to our Labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our Liberals are in fact much closer to your repugs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but arent actually stupid enough to let fools like your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tea Party fools get any say what so ever and certainly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arent stupid enough let some fool like Trump hijack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the party.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In other words, are they reasonable people?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That isnt really a sensible criterion with political partys..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sadly that is true.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They certainly don't pander to the unions like Labor does
>>>>>>>>>>>> and in fact have gone out of their way to fuck over the worst
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the unions and have done some strike busting, including
>>>>>>>>>>>> organising goons to break some strikes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't agree with the violence, if that is what it was.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No it wasn't. they just sent in the scabs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would not say those were "goons"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They were just that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll have to take your words for it but people whocross picket
>>>>>>> lines
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> not always Goons in the USA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, but these weren't volunteers, they were paid goons.
>>>>
>>>>> OK
>>>>
>>>>>> I have been a strike breaker myself.
>>>>
>>>>> Bad boy. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> That was another classic example of a stupid
>>>> union trying to fuck over the general public.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Some
>>>>>>>>>>> Unions do good
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> None of ours do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> as some get carried away as the auto Unions did, and if
>>>>>>>>>>> you look at Detroit today you see the result.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We never saw any of that. And we never saw the
>>>>>>>>>> govt send in the troops with machine guns either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We did see the army used to do the coal mining for a while.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberals here are just freeloaders and crybabies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's bullshit with some like Gates and Buffet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the USA, not all Democrats are liberals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, but Gates and Buffer certainly are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if they are liberals US style.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course they are, well left of center.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Liberals are not left of center farther left than that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not in the USA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thats bullshit with Gates and Buffet. Both liberals.
>>>>
>>>>> Do they say they are liberals
>>>>
>>>> What they say and do shows that they are. Thats what matters.
>>
>>> Then doing good in the world and giving to charities makes one a
>>> liberal?
>>
>> That isn't what makes either of them a liberal.
>>
>>> That would make the Koch brothers liberals.
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>>>> or does the MSM, remember Democrat
>>>>> doesn't mean liberal.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea if they have said how they vote or even if they do
>>>> vote.
>>
>>> Who knows. You have shown to you that anyone that helps others is
>>> a liberal.
>>
>> That isn't what either of them do that makes them a liberal.
>>
>>> Do you know how much so-called conservatives give to help
>>> people a year? Maybe they are Conservative progressives.
>>
>> Having fun thrashing that straw man ?
>
> No, straw man here,

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Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Bullshit they are. In fact they have absolutely NOTHING to do with the
>>> Ukraine.

>> Sure. Why are we now importing oil? Why did we stop drilling on
>> land we control. Why can't we export and help the EU by exporting
>> natural gas? Come on you can say it....Biden.

>>> Ukraine is about Putin fucking over adjacent countrys and he has
>>> been doing that for decades now with Chechnya, Georgia, the
>>> Crimea and now the Ukraine. In the case of the Ukraine, to stop
>>> the Ukraine joining the EU and NATO, right on his border.

>> Ukraine wasn't anywhere near joining NATO or the EU. Putin is
>> unbalanced and thought, with the EU being energy dependant on Russia,
>> would not do as they have, he misjudged.

>> Putin's power comes from the energy dependence of the world, which
>> includes the USA, as we have been importing oil from Russia since
>> Biden.

> Listening to Putin a short hile ago looks like he has gone in the head
> old age early?

Bet he hasn't.

> Reported here
> <https://www.foxnews.com/world/chechen-hit-squad-sent-murder-zelenskyy-eliminated>
> https://t.ly/KHBT
> "The special operation that was to be carried out directly by the
> Kadyrovites to eliminate our president is fully known to us today, and
> I can say that we received information from representatives of the
> FSB, who today have no desire to take part in this bloody war," he
> said.
> ***************************
> Chechen hit squad sent to murder Zelenskyy 'eliminated,' top Ukrainian
> defense official says

Wota stunningly impeccable source...

They are trying to get Putin to fuck over the FSB, stupid.

> The Ukraine was tipped off by Putin's own FSB!
> The FSB is in reference to Russia's Federal Security Service, used to
> be called the KGB!
>
> Putin was a Lieutenant colonel (between Major on way up to
> General) in the hated Stasi till 1990 (Belin Wall fell, so did the
> USSR, as Putin Job), doubt if he would be trusted by
> the KGB now FSB. He would have powerful jealous enemies and he knows
> it!
> <https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46525543>

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> Bullshit they are. In fact they have absolutely NOTHING to do with
>>>>> the Ukraine.

>>>> Sure. Why are we now importing oil? Why did we stop drilling on
>>>> land we control. Why can't we export and help the EU by exporting
>>>> natural gas? Come on you can say it....Biden.

>>>>> Ukraine is about Putin fucking over adjacent countrys and he has
>>>>> been doing that for decades now with Chechnya, Georgia, the
>>>>> Crimea and now the Ukraine. In the case of the Ukraine, to stop
>>>>> the Ukraine joining the EU and NATO, right on his border.

>>>> Ukraine wasn't anywhere near joining NATO or the EU. Putin is
>>>> unbalanced and thought, with the EU being energy dependant on Russia,
>>>> would not do as they have, he misjudged.

>>>> Putin's power comes from the energy dependence of the world, which
>>>> includes the USA, as we have been importing oil from Russia since
>>>> Biden.

>>> Listening to Putin a short hile ago looks like he has gone in the head
>>> old age early?

>> Bet he hasn't.

>>> Reported here
>>> <https://www.foxnews.com/world/chechen-hit-squad-sent-murder-zelenskyy-eliminated>
>>> https://t.ly/KHBT
>>> "The special operation that was to be carried out directly by the
>>> Kadyrovites to eliminate our president is fully known to us today, and
>>> I can say that we received information from representatives of the
>>> FSB, who today have no desire to take part in this bloody war," he
>>> said.
>>> ***************************
>>> Chechen hit squad sent to murder Zelenskyy 'eliminated,' top Ukrainian
>>> defense official says

>> Wota stunningly impeccable source...

>> They are trying to get Putin to fuck over the FSB, stupid.

> Ukrania showed the bodies of the dead Chechens sent by Putin?

That is very plausible tho it is easy to have some bodys to show.

What isn't believable is that the FSB would actually be
stupid enough to tell the Ukrainians about them coming.

>>> The Ukraine was tipped off by Putin's own FSB!
>>> The FSB is in reference to Russia's Federal Security Service, used to
>>> be called the KGB!

>>> Putin was a Lieutenant colonel (between Major on way up to
>>> General) in the hated Stasi till 1990 (Belin Wall fell, so did the
>>> USSR, as Putin Job), doubt if he would be trusted by
>>> the KGB now FSB. He would have powerful jealous enemies and he knows
>>> it!
>>> <https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46525543>

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>> Bullshit they are. In fact they have absolutely NOTHING to do with
>>>>>>> the Ukraine.

>>>>>> Sure. Why are we now importing oil? Why did we stop drilling on
>>>>>> land we control. Why can't we export and help the EU by exporting
>>>>>> natural gas? Come on you can say it....Biden.

>>>>>>> Ukraine is about Putin fucking over adjacent countrys and he has
>>>>>>> been doing that for decades now with Chechnya, Georgia, the
>>>>>>> Crimea and now the Ukraine. In the case of the Ukraine, to stop
>>>>>>> the Ukraine joining the EU and NATO, right on his border.

>>>>>> Ukraine wasn't anywhere near joining NATO or the EU. Putin is
>>>>>> unbalanced and thought, with the EU being energy dependant on
>>>>>> Russia, would not do as they have, he misjudged.

>>>>>> Putin's power comes from the energy dependence of the world, which
>>>>>> includes the USA, as we have been importing oil from Russia since
>>>>>> Biden.

>>>>> Listening to Putin a short hile ago looks like he has gone in the
>>>>> head old age early?

>>>> Bet he hasn't.

>>>>> Reported here
>>>>> <https://www.foxnews.com/world/chechen-hit-squad-sent-murder-zelenskyy-eliminated>
>>>>> https://t.ly/KHBT
>>>>> "The special operation that was to be carried out directly by the
>>>>> Kadyrovites to eliminate our president is fully known to us today,
>>>>> and
>>>>> I can say that we received information from representatives of the
>>>>> FSB, who today have no desire to take part in this bloody war," he
>>>>> said.
>>>>> ***************************
>>>>> Chechen hit squad sent to murder Zelenskyy 'eliminated,' top
>>>>> Ukrainian
>>>>> defense official says

>>>> Wota stunningly impeccable source...

>>>> They are trying to get Putin to fuck over the FSB, stupid.

>>> Ukrania showed the bodies of the dead Chechens sent by Putin?

>> That is very plausible tho it is easy to have some bodys to show.

>> What isn't believable is that the FSB would actually be
>> stupid enough to tell the Ukrainians about them coming.

> And Scott Morrison does not have back stabbers in his parliament?
> <https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/03/01/kadyrov-admits-chechen-casualties-in-ukraine-a76674>
> https://t.ly/4ZCd
> Kadyrov Admits Chechen Casualties in Ukraine
> March 1, 2022
> Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov became at least the fifth head of a
> Russian region to admit casualties in Russia’s invasion of Ukraine
> that sent shockwaves around the world.

> Russia’s Defense Ministry admitted for the first time Sunday that
> there were "killed and injured" soldiers among its troops in Ukraine
> without saying how many have died there.

Hardly surprising. And I bet he doesn't actually know how many have been
killed.

>>>>> The Ukraine was tipped off by Putin's own FSB!
>>>>> The FSB is in reference to Russia's Federal Security Service, used to
>>>>> be called the KGB!

>>>>> Putin was a Lieutenant colonel (between Major on way up to
>>>>> General) in the hated Stasi till 1990 (Belin Wall fell, so did the
>>>>> USSR, as Putin Job), doubt if he would be trusted by
>>>>> the KGB now FSB. He would have powerful jealous enemies and he knows
>>>>> it!
>>>>> <https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46525543>

Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, Marxism is completely different.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes but if the USSR is a example
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't with the modern first and second world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it starts out as socialist idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's wrong too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marxism is to be fought against in all its forms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No need, everyone who tried it has given up on it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and he is such an idiot he acts like a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far-left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> progressive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, just quite left and a stupid binge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spender.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe on how for left. Biden does like to use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> credit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> card
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will let the kids pay it off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They all do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden's pulling the troops out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan before pulling out the civilians
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proof
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an idiot he is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it will be a dark day if they relect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and did you not see the "and co"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After reading all this can you tell me what type of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer, and is capable of working?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All parties get overrun by Charlatanism (in US
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RINO/DINO).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Libs haven't been.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That isn't true.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fraid so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just look at AOC and the racist Ilhan Omar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was talking about our Liberal Party, the main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coalition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partner here, not your libs. Yours don't have a capital
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> letter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is different, wish our Democrats were more like your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are in fact equivalent to our Labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our Liberals are in fact much closer to your repugs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but arent actually stupid enough to let fools like your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tea Party fools get any say what so ever and certainly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arent stupid enough let some fool like Trump hijack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the party.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In other words, are they reasonable people?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That isnt really a sensible criterion with political partys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sadly that is true.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They certainly don't pander to the unions like Labor does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and in fact have gone out of their way to fuck over the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worst
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the unions and have done some strike busting, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organising goons to break some strikes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't agree with the violence, if that is what it was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No it wasn't. they just sent in the scabs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would not say those were "goons"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They were just that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll have to take your words for it but people whocross picket
>>>>>>>>> lines
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> not always Goons in the USA.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure, but these weren't volunteers, they were paid goons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have been a strike breaker myself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bad boy. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That was another classic example of a stupid
>>>>>> union trying to fuck over the general public.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unions do good
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> None of ours do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as some get carried away as the auto Unions did, and if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you look at Detroit today you see the result.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We never saw any of that. And we never saw the
>>>>>>>>>>>> govt send in the troops with machine guns either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We did see the army used to do the coal mining for a while.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberals here are just freeloaders and crybabies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's bullshit with some like Gates and Buffet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the USA, not all Democrats are liberals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, but Gates and Buffer certainly are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if they are liberals US style.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course they are, well left of center.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Liberals are not left of center farther left than that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not in the USA.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thats bullshit with Gates and Buffet. Both liberals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do they say they are liberals
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What they say and do shows that they are. Thats what matters.
>>>>
>>>>> Then doing good in the world and giving to charities makes one a
>>>>> liberal?
>>>>
>>>> That isn't what makes either of them a liberal.
>>>>
>>>>> That would make the Koch brothers liberals.
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>>>>> or does the MSM, remember Democrat
>>>>>>> doesn't mean liberal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no idea if they have said how they vote or even if they do
>>>>>> vote.
>>>>
>>>>> Who knows. You have shown to you that anyone that helps others is
>>>>> a liberal.
>>>>
>>>> That isn't what either of them do that makes them a liberal.
>>>>
>>>>> Do you know how much so-called conservatives give to help
>>>>> people a year? Maybe they are Conservative progressives.
>>>>
>>>> Having fun thrashing that straw man ?
>>>
>>> No, straw man here,
>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
>>> you for use of Bill Gates as the definition of liberal
>>
>> I did nothing of the sort. I JUST pointed out that both he and Buffet
>> are
>> liberals.

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Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, Marxism is completely different.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes but if the USSR is a example
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't with the modern first and second world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it starts out as socialist idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's wrong too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marxism is to be fought against in all its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No need, everyone who tried it has given up on it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and he is such an idiot he acts like a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far-left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> progressive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, just quite left and a stupid binge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spender.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe on how for left. Biden does like to use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> credit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> card
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will let the kids pay it off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They all do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden's pulling the troops out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan before pulling out the civilians
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proof
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an idiot he is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it will be a dark day if they relect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and did you not see the "and co"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After reading all this can you tell me what type
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer, and is capable of working?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All parties get overrun by Charlatanism (in US
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RINO/DINO).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Libs haven't been.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That isn't true.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fraid so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just look at AOC and the racist Ilhan Omar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was talking about our Liberal Party, the main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coalition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partner here, not your libs. Yours don't have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capital
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> letter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is different, wish our Democrats were more like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are in fact equivalent to our Labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our Liberals are in fact much closer to your repugs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but arent actually stupid enough to let fools like your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tea Party fools get any say what so ever and certainly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arent stupid enough let some fool like Trump hijack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the party.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In other words, are they reasonable people?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That isnt really a sensible criterion with political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sadly that is true.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They certainly don't pander to the unions like Labor does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and in fact have gone out of their way to fuck over the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worst
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the unions and have done some strike busting, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organising goons to break some strikes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't agree with the violence, if that is what it was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No it wasn't. they just sent in the scabs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would not say those were "goons"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They were just that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll have to take your words for it but people whocross picket
>>>>>>>>>>> lines
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> not always Goons in the USA.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sure, but these weren't volunteers, they were paid goons.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have been a strike breaker myself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bad boy. ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That was another classic example of a stupid
>>>>>>>> union trying to fuck over the general public.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unions do good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None of ours do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as some get carried away as the auto Unions did, and if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you look at Detroit today you see the result.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We never saw any of that. And we never saw the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> govt send in the troops with machine guns either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We did see the army used to do the coal mining for a while.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberals here are just freeloaders and crybabies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's bullshit with some like Gates and Buffet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the USA, not all Democrats are liberals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, but Gates and Buffer certainly are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if they are liberals US style.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course they are, well left of center.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberals are not left of center farther left than that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not in the USA.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thats bullshit with Gates and Buffet. Both liberals.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do they say they are liberals
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What they say and do shows that they are. Thats what matters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then doing good in the world and giving to charities makes one a
>>>>>>> liberal?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That isn't what makes either of them a liberal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That would make the Koch brothers liberals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> or does the MSM, remember Democrat
>>>>>>>>> doesn't mean liberal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have no idea if they have said how they vote or even if they do
>>>>>>>> vote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who knows. You have shown to you that anyone that helps others is
>>>>>>> a liberal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That isn't what either of them do that makes them a liberal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you know how much so-called conservatives give to help
>>>>>>> people a year? Maybe they are Conservative progressives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having fun thrashing that straw man ?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, straw man here,
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>> you for use of Bill Gates as the definition of liberal
>>>>
>>>> I did nothing of the sort. I JUST pointed out that both he and Buffet
>>>> are
>>>> liberals.
>>
>>> Without evidence
>>
>> The evidence is the liberal issues they have publicly supported.
>>
>>> and just because they try to do good in the world.
>>
>> Nope, plenty of non liberals do that too.

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