On 09/10/2022 22:06, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 09.10.22 um 19:15 schrieb T i m:
>> On 09/10/2022 17:57, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 09.10.22 um 18:51 schrieb Alan B:
>>>> T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>> So I was wondering if there was another low cost newsserver that maybe
>>>>> had a free trial so I could see if it was the server or TB (I'm going on
>>>>> TB ATM as I think the first issue is local)?
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.aioe.org>
>>>
>>> This is an anonymous Troll server. A lot of regulars filter messages
>>> from aioe.org.
>>>
>> Oh, so what was the one that was about £10/year or so?
>>
>> Cheers, T i m
>
> That would be individual.net.
>
Yeah, TimS beat you to it. ;-)

However, I'm not sure yet if it's completely resolved all the problems?

Eg. It seems that if I leave TB open for a while, it doesn't seem to be
able to 'Get (newsgroup) messages'? Close TB and re-open and they come
in instantly? ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On 09/10/2022 22:06, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 09.10.22 um 19:15 schrieb T i m:
>> On 09/10/2022 17:57, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 09.10.22 um 18:51 schrieb Alan B:
>>>> T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>> So I was wondering if there was another low cost newsserver that maybe
>>>>> had a free trial so I could see if it was the server or TB (I'm going on
>>>>> TB ATM as I think the first issue is local)?
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.aioe.org>
>>>
>>> This is an anonymous Troll server. A lot of regulars filter messages
>>> from aioe.org.
>>>
>> Oh, so what was the one that was about £10/year or so?
>>
>> Cheers, T i m
>
> That would be individual.net.

He's signed up and now using Individual net - but evidently using
Microsoft Windows computer.

No wonder he's having problems posting and receiving in an Apple Mac
group! ;-)

On 09/10/2022 22:58, David Brooks wrote:
<snip>

> He's signed up and now using Individual net

I am indeed. ;-)

> - but evidently using
> Microsoft Windows computer.

I am indeed. One I built because I like to do such things. ;-)
>
> No wonder he's having problems posting and receiving in an Apple Mac
> group! ;-)
>
And all the other newsgroups of course ... ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 09/10/2022 23:08, T i m wrote:
> On 09/10/2022 22:58, David Brooks wrote:
> <snip>
>
>> He's signed up and now using Individual net
>
> I am indeed. ;-)
>
>> - but evidently using Microsoft Windows computer.
>
> I am indeed. One I built because I like to do such things. ;-)

Hi Tim :-D

I well remember doing such things! Congratulations.

>> No wonder he's having problems posting and receiving in an Apple Mac
>> group! ;-)
>>
> And all the other newsgroups of course ... ;-)

Indeed! :-D

> Cheers, T i m

I've followed your posts with much interest. I also use Thunderbird and
have also been noticing all kinds of 'misbehaviour with it recently;
you are not the only one who has been effected. Really irritating at
times.

Am 09.10.22 um 23:52 schrieb T i m:
> On 09/10/2022 22:06, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> That would be individual.net.
>>
> Yeah, TimS beat you to it. ;-)
>
> However, I'm not sure yet if it's completely resolved all the problems?
>
> Eg. It seems that if I leave TB open for a while, it doesn't seem to be
> able to 'Get (newsgroup) messages'? Close TB and re-open and they come
> in instantly? ;-(

How did you set the polling?
Usenet is not really a high frequency-medium ...

> Cheers, T i m

Regards, Joerg

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

Am 09.10.22 um 23:52 schrieb T i m:
> However, I'm not sure yet if it's completely resolved all the problems?
>
> Eg. It seems that if I leave TB open for a while, it doesn't seem to be
> able to 'Get (newsgroup) messages'? Close TB and re-open and they come
> in instantly? ;-(

Did you consider that this could be the source of more than half of your
troubles?

X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 221009-4, 9/10/2022), Outbound message
X-Antivirus-Status: Clean

Nobody seriously believes "clean" to be clean. Just *snakeoil* with a
huge potential for collateral damages.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

On 10/10/2022 06:54, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 09.10.22 um 23:52 schrieb T i m:
>> On 09/10/2022 22:06, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> That would be individual.net.
>>>
>> Yeah, TimS beat you to it. ;-)
>>
>> However, I'm not sure yet if it's completely resolved all the problems?
>>
>> Eg. It seems that if I leave TB open for a while, it doesn't seem to be
>> able to 'Get (newsgroup) messages'? Close TB and re-open and they come
>> in instantly? ;-(
>
> How did you set the polling?

Erm, 'set' ?

> Usenet is not really a high frequency-medium ...

Ok.

Cheers, T i m

On 10/10/2022 06:58, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 09.10.22 um 23:52 schrieb T i m:
>> However, I'm not sure yet if it's completely resolved all the problems?
>>
>> Eg. It seems that if I leave TB open for a while, it doesn't seem to be
>> able to 'Get (newsgroup) messages'? Close TB and re-open and they come
>> in instantly? ;-(
>
>
> Did you consider that this could be the source of more than half of your
> troubles?
>
> X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 221009-4, 9/10/2022), Outbound message
> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean

Considered? Yes, Briefly, but as I've been using it for years and it
doesn't generally cause any problems it's not something that I think is
causing the problem in this case, given it's so intermittent etc.
>
> Nobody seriously believes "clean" to be clean. Just *snakeoil* with a
> huge potential for collateral damages.
>
OK ... ?

Can you recommend an alternative?

Cheers, T i m

T i m <individual@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
> On 10/10/2022 06:54, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 09.10.22 um 23:52 schrieb T i m:
>>> On 09/10/2022 22:06, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> That would be individual.net.
>>>>
>>> Yeah, TimS beat you to it. ;-)
>>>
>>> However, I'm not sure yet if it's completely resolved all the problems?
>>>
>>> Eg. It seems that if I leave TB open for a while, it doesn't seem to be
>>> able to 'Get (newsgroup) messages'? Close TB and re-open and they come
>>> in instantly? ;-(
>>
>> How did you set the polling?
>
> Erm, 'set' ?

I haven’t used Tbird for ages but there is a setting for how long to wait
until it automatically looks for new messages on the server for the
subscribed groups ( + all groups list update).

--
Cheers, Alan

On 09/10/2022 23:17, David Brooks wrote:
> On 09/10/2022 23:08, T i m wrote:
>> On 09/10/2022 22:58, David Brooks wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>>> He's signed up and now using Individual net
>>
>> I am indeed. ;-)
>>
>>> - but evidently using Microsoft Windows computer.
>>
>> I am indeed. One I built because I like to do such things. ;-)
>
> Hi Tim :-D
>
> I well remember doing such things! Congratulations.
>
>>> No wonder he's having problems posting and receiving in an Apple Mac
>>> group! ;-)
>>>
>> And all the other newsgroups of course ... ;-)
>
> Indeed! :-D
>
>> Cheers, T i m
>
> I've followed your posts with much interest.

Thanks.

> I also use Thunderbird and
> have also been noticing all kinds of 'misbehaviour with it recently;

Specifically with NG access or in general?

> you are not the only one who has been effected.

No, as I found when I first experienced / Googled the problem. One of
the most common solutions was that a tmp folder hits an upper limit of
files and needs manual purging but I think that was causing a complete
failure not a random one? I couldn't even find the folder specified so
... ;-(

> Really irritating at
> times.

Yes, especially so when it has been both fast and rock solid X platform
(I have used it on OSX but mostly Windows and Linux).

So far <touching wood> it hasn't had an issue sending though
individual.net but I have seen a lack response when say checking for new
messages once. This typically seems to happen if I've left TB in the
background for a while then gone back to it?

Cheers, T i m

On 10/10/2022 08:09, T i m wrote:
> On 09/10/2022 23:17, David Brooks wrote:
>> On 09/10/2022 23:08, T i m wrote:
>>> On 09/10/2022 22:58, David Brooks wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> He's signed up and now using Individual net
>>>
>>> I am indeed. ;-)
>>>
>>>> - but evidently using Microsoft Windows computer.
>>>
>>> I am indeed. One I built because I like to do such things. ;-)
>>
>> Hi Tim :-D
>>
>> I well remember doing such things! Congratulations.
>>
>>>> No wonder he's having problems posting and receiving in an Apple Mac
>>>> group! ;-)
>>>>
>>> And all the other newsgroups of course ... ;-)
>>
>> Indeed! :-D
>>
>>> Cheers, T i m
>>
>> I've followed your posts with much interest.
>
> Thanks.
YW 🙂 May I ask why you chose to post in this particular newsgroup?
>> I also use Thunderbird and have also been noticing all kinds of
>> 'misbehaviour with it recently;
>
> Specifically with NG access or in general?
On this iMac, I use Thunderbird *only* for Usenet
>> you are not the only one who has been effected.
>
> No, as I found when I first experienced / Googled the problem. One of
> the most common solutions was that a tmp folder hits an upper limit of
> files and needs manual purging but I think that was causing a complete
> failure not a random one? I couldn't even find the folder specified so
> .. ;-(
Hopefully, someone responsible for maintenance will notice and fix the
problem(s).
>> Really irritating at times.
> Yes, especially so when it has been both fast and rock solid X platform
> (I have used it on OSX but mostly Windows and Linux).

I've used it for years too, so find the current antics very disappointing.

> So far <touching wood> it hasn't had an issue sending though
> individual.net but I have seen a lack response when say checking for new
> messages once. This typically seems to happen if I've left TB in the
> background for a while then gone back to it?
That's good to hear. I've been wondering if BlockNews has been
responsible for, especially, a failure to SEND messages. They invariable
post if I send again.

On 10/10/2022 08:09, T i m wrote:
> On 09/10/2022 23:17, David Brooks wrote:
>> On 09/10/2022 23:08, T i m wrote:
>>> On 09/10/2022 22:58, David Brooks wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> He's signed up and now using Individual net
>>>
>>> I am indeed. ;-)
>>>
>>>> - but evidently using Microsoft Windows computer.
>>>
>>> I am indeed. One I built because I like to do such things. ;-)
>>
>> Hi Tim :-D
>>
>> I well remember doing such things! Congratulations.
>>
>>>> No wonder he's having problems posting and receiving in an Apple Mac
>>>> group! ;-)
>>>>
>>> And all the other newsgroups of course ... ;-)
>>
>> Indeed! :-D
>>
>>> Cheers, T i m
>>
>> I've followed your posts with much interest.
>
> Thanks.

YW 🙂 May I ask why you chose to post in this particular newsgroup?

>> I also use Thunderbird and have also been noticing all kinds of
>> 'misbehaviour with it recently;
>
> Specifically with NG access or in general?

On this iMac, I use Thunderbird *only* for Usenet

>> you are not the only one who has been effected.
>
> No, as I found when I first experienced / Googled the problem. One of
> the most common solutions was that a tmp folder hits an upper limit of
> files and needs manual purging but I think that was causing a complete
> failure not a random one? I couldn't even find the folder specified so
> .. ;-(

Hopefully, someone responsible for maintenance will notice and fix the
problem(s).

>> Really irritating at times.

> Yes, especially so when it has been both fast and rock solid X platform
> (I have used it on OSX but mostly Windows and Linux).

I've used it for years too, so find current antics very disappointing.

> So far <touching wood> it hasn't had an issue sending though
> individual.net but I have seen a lack response when say checking for new
> messages once. This typically seems to happen if I've left TB in the
> background for a while then gone back to it?

That's good to hear. I've been wondering if BlockNews has been
responsible for, especially, a failure to SEND messages. They invariable
post if I send again.

!!!!
THIS message failed to send and crashed Thunderbird!

On 10/10/2022 13:09, David Brooks wrote:
<snip>
> >> I've followed your posts with much interest.
> >
> > Thanks.
> YW 🙂  May I ask why you chose to post in this particular newsgroup?

Erm, because I was originally asking about an iPhone 11 so I thought
that would be pertinent? Then there was a bit of thread drift ... ;-)

<snip>

> > Specifically with NG access or in general?
> On this iMac, I use Thunderbird *only* for Usenet

Cheers.

> >> you are not the only one who has been effected.
> >
> > No, as I found when I first experienced / Googled the problem. One of
> > the most common solutions was that a tmp folder hits an upper limit of
> > files and needs manual purging but I think that was causing a complete
> > failure not a random one? I couldn't even find the folder specified so
> > .. ;-(

> Hopefully, someone responsible for maintenance will notice and fix the
> problem(s).

It has been suggested elsewhere that Mozilla can be somewhat lacking in
that area? ;-(

> >> Really irritating at times.
> > Yes, especially so when it has been both fast and rock solid X platform
> > (I have used it on OSX but mostly Windows and Linux).
>
> I've used it for years too, so find the current antics very disappointing.

I don't know if it was you or someone else here who suggested it but
flicking between newsgroups seems to wake up any hang-ups, certainly re
reading the group.
>
> > So far <touching wood> it hasn't had an issue sending though
> > individual.net but I have seen a lack response when say checking for new
> > messages once. This typically seems to happen if I've left TB in the
> > background for a while then gone back to it?

> That's good to hear. I've been wondering if BlockNews has been
> responsible for, especially, a failure to SEND messages. They invariable
> post if I send again.

It was strange when I was using ES. It could let me post several
messages on the trot and then (randomly so far) wouldn't let me post at
all, even after closing TB and leaving it closed for a while etc.

Cheers, T i m

On 10/10/2022 13:10, David Brooks wrote:
<snip>

> !!!!
> THIS message failed to send and crashed Thunderbird!

I think it sent but in a basic / unformatted way (I replied to it). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Am 10.10.22 um 08:59 schrieb T i m:
> On 10/10/2022 06:54, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 09.10.22 um 23:52 schrieb T i m:
>>> On 09/10/2022 22:06, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> That would be individual.net.
>>>>
>>> Yeah, TimS beat you to it. ;-)
>>>
>>> However, I'm not sure yet if it's completely resolved all the problems?
>>>
>>> Eg. It seems that if I leave TB open for a while, it doesn't seem to be
>>> able to 'Get (newsgroup) messages'? Close TB and re-open and they come
>>> in instantly? ;-(
>>
>> How did you set the polling?
>
> Erm, 'set' ?

Setting for the polling under account settings for your news server. I
tested after your posting. Polling works perfectly when left open alone.
There were quite a lot of news postings after a while. On Solani as well
as on Eternal-September.

The polling is set to happen here every 5 minutes and that is exactly
what happens.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

Am 10.10.22 um 09:02 schrieb T i m:
> On 10/10/2022 06:58, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 09.10.22 um 23:52 schrieb T i m:
>>> However, I'm not sure yet if it's completely resolved all the problems?
>>>
>>> Eg. It seems that if I leave TB open for a while, it doesn't seem to be
>>> able to 'Get (newsgroup) messages'? Close TB and re-open and they come
>>> in instantly? ;-(
>>
>>
>> Did you consider that this could be the source of more than half of your
>> troubles?
>>
>> X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 221009-4, 9/10/2022), Outbound message
>> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
>
> Considered? Yes, Briefly, but as I've been using it for years and it
> doesn't generally cause any problems it's not something that I think is
> causing the problem in this case, given it's so intermittent etc.
>>
>> Nobody seriously believes "clean" to be clean. Just *snakeoil* with a
>> huge potential for collateral damages.
>>
> OK ... ?
>
> Can you recommend an alternative?

If you think an antivirus-protection is necessary use the Defender of
Windows. Never work as admin with elevated rights.

That is what I even implement on my Macs and on my Linux-machines. Admin
only to administer the system.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

On 10/10/2022 14:31, T i m wrote:
> On 10/10/2022 13:10, David Brooks wrote:
> <snip>
>
>> !!!!
>> THIS message failed to send and crashed Thunderbird!
>
> I think it sent but in a basic / unformatted way (I replied to it). ;-)
>
> Cheers, T i m

The one to which you replied, Tim, was a copy I took from my sent folder
which I then reposted!

On 10/10/2022 15:41, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 10.10.22 um 08:59 schrieb T i m:
>> On 10/10/2022 06:54, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 09.10.22 um 23:52 schrieb T i m:
>>>> On 09/10/2022 22:06, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> That would be individual.net.
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah, TimS beat you to it. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> However, I'm not sure yet if it's completely resolved all the problems?
>>>>
>>>> Eg. It seems that if I leave TB open for a while, it doesn't seem to be
>>>> able to 'Get (newsgroup) messages'? Close TB and re-open and they come
>>>> in instantly? ;-(
>>>
>>> How did you set the polling?
>>
>> Erm, 'set' ?
>
> Setting for the polling under account settings for your news server.

Ah, thanks, no , not set that, whatever is default.

> I
> tested after your posting.

Thanks.

> Polling works perfectly when left open alone.

Ok.

> There were quite a lot of news postings after a while. On Solani as well
> as on Eternal-September.
>
> The polling is set to happen here every 5 minutes and that is exactly
> what happens.

I think I might try turning that off and poll manually, that way I might
be more inclined to note new messages and not miss them as I did here. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On 10/10/2022 15:45, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
<snip>
>
> If you think an antivirus-protection is necessary

I have seen too many issues on Windows machines that aren't protected
and with users who don't seem to restrict where they go on the Web (I
used to chill in my mates PC shop for a good few years so have seen a
few bad ones).

> use the Defender of
> Windows.

I understand that has become more capable over the years?

> Never work as admin with elevated rights.

>
> That is what I even implement on my Macs and on my Linux-machines. Admin
> only to administer the system.
>
I really can't work that way on my own machines (I really don't even
like it on Linux, 'enjoying' those single user installs where you are
God all the time).

Been doing that for a good few years now ... ?

Cheers, T i m

Am 12.10.22 um 14:53 schrieb T i m:
> I really can't work that way on my own machines (I really don't even
> like it on Linux, 'enjoying' those single user installs where you are
> God all the time).
>
> Been doing that for a good few years now ... ?

Since I left Windows in 2006 in my private domain.

Working as admin creates a slight Kamikaze-feeling. Even on Linux.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

On 12/10/2022 16:09, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 12.10.22 um 14:53 schrieb T i m:
>> I really can't work that way on my own machines (I really don't even
>> like it on Linux, 'enjoying' those single user installs where you are
>> God all the time).
>>
>> Been doing that for a good few years now ... ?
>
> Since I left Windows in 2006 in my private domain.
>
> Working as admin creates a slight Kamikaze-feeling. Even on Linux.
>

Ignoring the giving of hostiles a raised level of power, I see my system
to be mine so don't want to constantly have to prove to it, that it's
me, it's creator, just to be able to manage it.

To me, running as admin is like using a sharp knife over a blunt one
where it's generally safer and more efficient (than the blunt one) but
does require you are careful and know what you are doing. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Am 13.10.22 um 12:10 schrieb T i m:
> On 12/10/2022 16:09, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 12.10.22 um 14:53 schrieb T i m:
>>> I really can't work that way on my own machines (I really don't even
>>> like it on Linux, 'enjoying' those single user installs where you are
>>> God all the time).
>>>
>>> Been doing that for a good few years now ... ?
>>
>> Since I left Windows in 2006 in my private domain.
>>
>> Working as admin creates a slight Kamikaze-feeling. Even on Linux.
>>
>
> Ignoring the giving of hostiles a raised level of power, I see my system
> to be mine so don't want to constantly have to prove to it, that it's
> me, it's creator, just to be able to manage it.

Your choice. Your system. Your data. Your disaster recovery.

Those around me insisting on such a philosophy cannot count on my
support in case of problems. It is very simple.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

On 13/10/2022 17:13, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 13.10.22 um 12:10 schrieb T i m:
>> On 12/10/2022 16:09, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 12.10.22 um 14:53 schrieb T i m:
>>>> I really can't work that way on my own machines (I really don't even
>>>> like it on Linux, 'enjoying' those single user installs where you are
>>>> God all the time).
>>>>
>>>> Been doing that for a good few years now ... ?
>>>
>>> Since I left Windows in 2006 in my private domain.
>>>
>>> Working as admin creates a slight Kamikaze-feeling. Even on Linux.
>>>
>>
>> Ignoring the giving of hostiles a raised level of power, I see my system
>> to be mine so don't want to constantly have to prove to it, that it's
>> me, it's creator, just to be able to manage it.
>
> Your choice. Your system. Your data. Your disaster recovery.

Quite. Unfortunately I only have ~40 years working this way but so far
so good. ;-)
>
> Those around me insisting on such a philosophy cannot count on my
> support in case of problems. It is very simple.

Of course, but the only person who is responsible for my systems is me.
For me, the inconvenience of constantly having to authenticate a raised
status isn't worth the additional time consumed.

I use the same mindset when working on my systems as I do doing most
things, 'Think thrice, measure twice, cut once'.

This is why I was checking / questioning stuff with you guys re dealing
with this iPhone11 and Mums data. Anything where I have seen a message
like 'This could lose your data' I may not proceed on or make very sure
I (personally) have a backup of the data or it is confirmed the risks
are very very low.

I am generally risk aware and typically risk adverse when it comes to my
responsibility with other peoples kit / data.

Cheers, T i m

p.s. I turned up at a customer site with the intention of re-installing
their system and confirmed they had a backup of their data. They
presented me with a stack of CD's, all carefully marked up.

I put the first CD into the drive and opened it to find a single file
comprising a link to the file on their PC.

I backed up their data myself ...