On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 00:42:01 GMT, * Ördög * - - the Petz Buster -
<devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> wrote:
Your word wrapping is over 80

>Petz's latest Goon-bag-fumes delusions:
>
>> Putin was bred to be a Stasi tyrant
>
>Thanks for showing your wilful ignorance regarding almost everything
>that has to do with historically accurate facts and politics in general.
>
>I hope you realise that Putin was never a DDR citizen. He ain't German,
>you retard!
>
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi
>
>Stop spewing unadulterated rubbish.
>Putin's health has nothing to do with his political activities regardless
>how one judges it.
>
Like ALL communists you can't handle reality
Which in Putins case he was Stasi AND KGB still is.
<https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46525543>
--
Petzl
**On March fourteenth, in the year of our Lord. Eighteen eighty three
Karl Marx made his most important contribution to mankind...
He died**

They just weren’t doing Communism properly,
Say all of today’s Communists?

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money.

All governments lie about some things, but Ordogs totalitarian
governments lie about everything.

There is no difference between communism and socialism,
except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
communism proposes to enslave men by force,
socialism - by vote.
It is merely the difference between murder and suicide

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

> Looks like the "Tea" Putin is drinking is working
> <https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18133008/chilling-new-clues-putin-thyroid-cancer-parkinsons/>
> https://tinyurl.com/yc7tkduv

Bullshit.

> The appearance of the 69-year-old who has long prided himself onhis
> "strong man" image, has changed dramatically in the past years

It does with everyone that age, stupid.

> causing speculation that he may be suffering from a severe physical
> illness.

Only by stupid journos.

> And now a new investigation has revealed the tyrant is “constantly”
> accompanied by a doctor specialising in thyroid cancer.

More mindless bullshit and nothing like the poisoning stupid claim.

> The report by investigative Proekt media - which is blocked in Russia
> - states that surgeon Yevgeny Selivanov, of Moscow's Central Clinical
> Hospital, has flown to the Russian leader no less than 35 times in the
> Black Sea resort Sochi.

Just because some fool claims something...

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

> Putin was bred to be a Stasi tyrant

Nope, to be a spy.

> The worst thing Putin is doing is going to a one of your type doctors!
> Russian "Politburo doctors". Giving him coffee enema's

Just because some fool claims something...

> Putin has been poisoned,

Just because some fool claims something...

> he knows that and wants revenge onhis Generals that were behind it.

Nope, the Ukrainians killed them.

> <https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18133008/chilling-new-clues-putin-thyroid-cancer-parkinsons/>
> https://tinyurl.com/yc7tkduv

Just because some fool claims something...

Petz's latest Goon-bag-fumes delusions:

/snip/
>>> Putin was bred to be a Stasi tyrant

Obviously NOT!

>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi
Did you read the wiki?

All communists, jus as all rational people who don't live in your alt-
right alternative facts reality know that STASI just like the KGB is NO
more for well over two decades!

Hint:
FSB is NOT the KGB... and Putin is the authoritarian strongman of Russia
and not some lowly public servant in the Russia's Intelligence and state
security apparatus.
My goodness, all those ancient Cold War version 1 era propaganda slogans
still numbing your few remaining functional brain cells free of permanent
alcohol abused caused damage.

If you think (but we know you never do) that communists fully support pro-
capitalist oligarch Putin in anything, you could not be more wrong. And,
of course, his war on Ukraine in the form it took is nothing less that an
unacceptable outrage both for the Ukranian and the Russian people,
regardless of what one might think about Ukraine's current government.

~~~
~~~
Busting Petz's idiotic hate propaganda sig is as follows:

> On March fourteenth, in the year of our Lord.

oh, you mean your non-existent, invisible sky fairy???

> Eighteen eighty three Karl Marx made his most important contribution to
mankind..

Nope.
Wrong date.

"In late February 1848, the Manifesto was anonymously published by the
Workers' Educational Association (Kommunistischer Arbeiterbildungsverein)
at Bishopsgate in the City of London. Written in German, the 23-page
pamphlet was titled Manifest der kommunistischen Partei and had a dark-
green cover. It was reprinted three times and serialised in the Deutsche
Londoner Zeitung, a newspaper for German émigrés. On 4 March, one day
after the serialisation in the Zeitung began, Marx was expelled by Belgian
police. Two weeks later, around 20 March, a thousand copies of the
Manifesto reached Paris, and from there to Germany in early April. In
April–May the text was corrected for printing and punctuation mistakes;
Marx and Engels would use this 30-page version as the basis for future
editions of the Manifesto."
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto>

Of course the Manifesto is just a tiny except of Marx's equally important
econopolitical analytical works on capitalism stretching over decades.

> He died
Yes, people tend to die, it's kind of an unavoidable fact of life.
However great people leave behind their legacy works which keep on
surviving depending on the values they represent for society.

What will be your legacy Petz dear? Alt-right hate and paranoia?
Discarded empty goon bags?

> The problem with socialism is that you
> eventually run out of other people's money

Typical hard-right lie-bertarian propaganda slogan.
No one is spending "other people's money", so I can only conclude the
person saying this doesn't understand socialism. "Means of production,
distribution, and exchange" is the key phrase here. That doesn't mean
everyone's wealth is redistributed, Robin Hood style - it means that the
factories and corporations that provide goods and services to society are
publicly owned and regulated. This isn't too dissimilar from a public
stock exchange.
So I suppose if one's understanding of socialism is to spend other
people's money, then I suppose they're just doing it wrong.

> but Ordogs totalitarian governments

I might be the newsgroup devil, but I am certainly not so mighty as to own
any government, totalitarian or not. LOL!

> There is no difference between communism and socialism, ...

Shows how little you know about economics, politics and political
ideologies. So what the fuck are you actually doing in a political
newsgroup?

> ... except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
> communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote.
>
B U L L S H I T !
To a rational person I'd try to explain why what you posted was utter
rubbish, but in your case what'd be the point wasting my time and energy.

OK, OK, for sane readers (only) I still provide a couple of links:

<https://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism>

<https://byjus.com/free-ias-prep/difference-between-communism-capitalism-
and-socialism/>

>
> It is merely the difference between murder and suicide.
>
More B U L L S H I T accusations of the alt-right kind!

However what certain is:
The society you actually idolise and so badly wish for Petz dear is a
dystopian fascist theocratic nightmare, which offers nobody beyond a tiny
minority at the top of the food-chain any freedom, personal integrity,
hope and happiness.

< https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/
The_Handmaid%E2%80%99s_Tale_%E2%80%93_Der_Report_der_Magd>
~~

--
Ördög - -
The real one (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)

Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps, all of those Trump's deplorables, idiots like
Petz and his fellow septic and OZ crazies.
They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>

On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 12:06:37 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> Putin was bred to be a Stasi tyrant
>
>Nope, to be a spy.
>
Also Stasi and KGB (now renamed)
>
>> The worst thing Putin is doing is going to a one of your type doctors!
>> Russian "Politburo doctors". Giving him coffee enema's
>
>Just because some fool claims something...
>
Putin believes this, then replaced a 1000+ of his staff.
<https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-russia-putin-replaced-staffers-over-fears-poison-him-report-2022-3>
https://tinyurl.com/y83c48kn
Thyroid problems are often a sign of radiation poisoning, in Putin's
Russia a certainty
<https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/beware-the-tea-why-do-russians-keep-being-poisoned-20200827-p55poy.html>
https://tinyurl.com/y6w49ahw
CIA use Agent orange in rice then have Russia blamed!
Former president of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko was poisoned in 2004
with an “Agent Orange” chemical served in a rice dish that left him
permanently disfigured. He'd been running for president against a
Russian-backed candidate, and blamed the Kremlin.

>
>> Putin has been poisoned,
>
>Just because some fool claims something...
>
>> he knows that and wants revenge onhis Generals that were behind it.
>
>Nope, the Ukrainians killed them.
>
>> <https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18133008/chilling-new-clues-putin-thyroid-cancer-parkinsons/>
>> https://tinyurl.com/yc7tkduv
>
>Just because some fool claims something...
--
Petzl
Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:00:36 GMT, * Ördög * - - the Petz Buster -
<devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> wrote:

>Petz's latest Goon-bag-fumes delusions:
>
>/snip/
>>>> Putin was bred to be a Stasi tyrant
>
>Obviously NOT!
>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi
>Did you read the wiki?
>
I did, you obviously did not
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi#Relationship_with_the_KGB>
https://tinyurl.com/yampsn3v
Although Mielke's Stasi was superficially granted independence in
1957, until 1990 the KGB continued to maintain liaison officers in all
eight main Stasi directorates, each with his own office inside the
Stasi's Berlin compound, and in each of the fifteen Stasi district
headquarters around East Germany.Collaboration was so close that the
KGB invited the Stasi to establish operational bases in Moscow and
Leningrad to monitor visiting East German tourists and Mielke referred
to the Stasi officers as "Chekists of the Soviet Union". In 1978,
Mielke formally granted KGB officers in East Germany the same rights
and powers that they enjoyed in the Soviet Union.
--
Petzl
**On March fourteenth, in the year of our Lord. Eighteen eighty three
Karl Marx made his most important contribution to mankind...
He died**

They just weren’t doing Communism properly,
Say all of today’s Communists?

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money.

All governments lie about some things, but Ordogs totalitarian
governments lie about everything.

There is no difference between communism and socialism,
except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
communism proposes to enslave men by force,
socialism - by vote.
It is merely the difference between murder and suicide

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Putin was bred to be a Stasi tyrant

>> Nope, to be a spy.

> Also Stasi

Nope, he never had anything to do with that operation.

> and KGB (now renamed)

It wasnt just renamed.

>>> The worst thing Putin is doing is going to a one of your type doctors!
>>> Russian "Politburo doctors". Giving him coffee enema's

>> Just because some fool claims something...

> Putin believes this, then replaced a 1000+ of his staff.

Nothing to do with doctors.

> <https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-russia-putin-replaced-staffers-over-fears-poison-him-report-2022-3>
> https://tinyurl.com/y83c48kn

Just because some fool claims something...

> Thyroid problems are often a sign of radiation poisoning,

Bullshit.

> in Putin's Russia a certainty

More bullshit.

> <https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/beware-the-tea-why-do-russians-keep-being-poisoned-20200827-p55poy.html>
> https://tinyurl.com/y6w49ahw

Just because some fool claims something...

> CIA use Agent orange in rice then have Russia blamed!

Just because some fool claims something...

> Former president of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko was poisoned in 2004
> with an “Agent Orange” chemical served in a rice dish that left him
> permanently disfigured. He'd been running for president against a
> Russian-backed candidate, and blamed the Kremlin.

That was Putin's doing and irrelevant to the stupid
claim that he has been poisoned. It is completely
trivial for Putin to get all he gets handed, tested, stupid.

>>> Putin has been poisoned,

>> Just because some fool claims something...

>>> he knows that and wants revenge onhis Generals that were behind it.

>> Nope, the Ukrainians killed them.

>>> <https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18133008/chilling-new-clues-putin-thyroid-cancer-parkinsons/

>>> https://tinyurl.com/yc7tkduv

>> Just because some fool claims something...

Petz's latest Goon-bag-fumes delusions:

> Ördög
>> Petz
>>
>>/snip/
>>>>> Putin was bred to be a Stasi tyrant
>>
>> Obviously NOT!
>>
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi
>> Did you read the wiki?
>>
> I did,

.... but you could not really comprehend what was written there.
Sad and as expected.

> Although Mielke's Stasi was superficially granted independence in 1957,
> until 1990 the KGB continued to maintain liaison officers in all eight
> main Stasi directorates, each with his own office inside the Stasi's
> Berlin compound, and in each of the fifteen Stasi district headquarters
> around East Germany...

Which means the KGB in fact and in essence had controlled the activities
Fact, DDR was under USSR control just like most East-European countries to
varying degrees (Hungary, the least, DDR, the most). Next bull!

Alas you can not support your original idiot assertion: "Putin was a Stasi
tryrant." You've fucked up again, Petz dear!

~~~
~~~
Busting Petz's idiotic hate propaganda sig is as follows:

> On March fourteenth, in the year of our Lord.

oh, you mean your non-existent, invisible sky fairy???

> Eighteen eighty three Karl Marx made his most important contribution to
mankind..

Nope.
Wrong date.

"In late February 1848, the Manifesto was anonymously published by the
Workers' Educational Association (Kommunistischer Arbeiterbildungsverein)
at Bishopsgate in the City of London. Written in German, the 23-page
pamphlet was titled Manifest der kommunistischen Partei and had a dark-
green cover. It was reprinted three times and serialised in the Deutsche
Londoner Zeitung, a newspaper for German émigrés. On 4 March, one day
after the serialisation in the Zeitung began, Marx was expelled by Belgian
police. Two weeks later, around 20 March, a thousand copies of the
Manifesto reached Paris, and from there to Germany in early April. In
April–May the text was corrected for printing and punctuation mistakes;
Marx and Engels would use this 30-page version as the basis for future
editions of the Manifesto."
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto>

Of course the Manifesto is just a tiny except of Marx's equally important
econopolitical analytical works on capitalism stretching over decades.

> He died
Yes, people tend to die, it's kind of an unavoidable fact of life. However
great people leave behind their legacy works which keep on surviving
depending on the values they represent for society.

What will be your legacy Petz dear? Alt-right hate and paranoia? Discarded
empty goon bags?

> The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
> people's money

Typical hard-right lie-bertarian propaganda slogan.
No one is spending "other people's money", so I can only conclude the
person saying this doesn't understand socialism. "Means of production,
distribution, and exchange" is the key phrase here. That doesn't mean
everyone's wealth is redistributed, Robin Hood style - it means that the
factories and corporations that provide goods and services to society are
publicly owned and regulated. This isn't too dissimilar from a public
stock exchange.
So I suppose if one's understanding of socialism is to spend other
people's money, then I suppose they're just doing it wrong.

> but Ordogs totalitarian governments

I might be the newsgroup devil, but I am certainly not so mighty as to own
any government, totalitarian or not. LOL!

> There is no difference between communism and socialism, ...

Shows how little you know about economics, politics and political
ideologies. So what the fuck are you actually doing in a political
newsgroup?

> ... except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
> communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote.
>
B U L L S H I T !
To a rational person I'd try to explain why what you posted was utter
rubbish, but in your case what'd be the point wasting my time and energy.

OK, OK, for sane readers (only) I still provide a couple of links:

<https://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism>

<https://byjus.com/free-ias-prep/difference-between-communism-capitalism-
and-socialism/>

> It is merely the difference between murder and suicide.
>
More B U L L S H I T accusations of the alt-right kind!

However what certain is:
The society you actually idolise and so badly wish for Petz dear is a
dystopian fascist theocratic nightmare, which offers nobody beyond a tiny
minority at the top of the food-chain any freedom, personal integrity,
hope and happiness.

< https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/
The_Handmaid%E2%80%99s_Tale_%E2%80%93_Der_Report_der_Magd>
~~

--
Ördög - -
The real one (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)

Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps, all of those Trump's deplorables, idiots like
Petz and his fellow septic and OZ crazies.
They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>

Petz's latest Goon-bag-fumes delusions:

> Also Stasi and KGB (now renamed)

B U L L S H I T !

> Putin believes this, then replaced a 1000+ of his staff.

You nor your idiot sources have any fuckinng idea what Putin really
believes or not.
That is a fact.

> Thyroid problems are often a sign of radiation poisoning ...

....but more often than not have nothing to do with radiation, as it may
arise due to gentic and evironmental reasons, via viral and/or chronic
infection, etc... You are obviously no medical expert on cancers.
/snip conspiracy wanker crap/

~~~
~~~
More irrelevant idiot sig busting:

Petz, Putin has fucking NOTHING to do with *socialism*.
He is a hard-capitalist power obsessed ultra rich bully strongman.

> Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
> the creed of ignorance,and the gospel of envy,
> Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Nice, but where have you plagiarised this beauty from?

So:
Lets go slowly (not to overtax your few remaining brain cells'
facts computing capacities:

Firstly you have lifted that quote attributed the Churchill from a
Facebook post.
Here is the discussion about its authenticity:
<https://www.truthorfiction.com/did-winston-churchill-say-socialism-is-the-
philosophy-of-failure/>

Now lets look at its content:

Starting with "socialism is ...".
Which version of socialism does this referring to.
Only hard capitalist wankers and rusted on monarchists like Churchill
would treat the econopolitical philosophy of socialism as some sort of
monolith.
In fact, if one is willing to look more close the New Testament itself is
intertwined with the concepts socialism.

Next to: "failure". Do you consider countries like Sweden, Norway, Finland
or Germany a failure. These countries have implemented social democratic
policies over the years with great success. While at the same time wild
capitalist shit holes like the UK and US only succeeded creating a
horribly divided society with millions and millions living under or near
the absolute poverty line while their tiny billionaire class is taking
joyrides into suborbital space as the only remaining means to burn some
extra cash they can't possible dispose of in any useful manner.

That takes us to "creed of ignorance": Apparently so far only socialists
are the ones who are loudly refusing to ignore the social toll such
damning capitalist inequity takes on the social fabric of such countries
where lives are ruined and destroyed by poor healthcare, by lack of even
the most basic requirements for living a modest lifestyle, by total
hopelessness and inability to break the cycles of poverty generation after
generation.

Yes...that gospel of envy. Why aren't these subhuman scumbags feel happy
to see the top 10% of society own roughly 80% of everything while
dominating every aspects of political and cultural life on the planet.
How dare they suggest that instead of creating more/even wealthier
billionaires we could create better public transport, better healthcare,
better and cheaper education for all, better public infrastructure and
amenities, better and more jobs not just for a select few!
Really! What a horrid *envy*!

Yep...in truth the bottom half of society everywhere on the planet already
sharing "equal misery", and that has nothing to do with socialism.
Another 40% manages to make ends meat so they keep their mouths shut
hoping for escaping from joining the bottom half. In the meanwhile the top
ten percent live in the their alternate reality exclusive private heavens
caring fuck all about everyone else below them on the food chain.

I recon socialism in most of its version could NOT possible create
something more bizarre.
~~

--
Ördög - -
The real one (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)

Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps, all of those Trump's deplorables, idiots like
Petz and his fellow septic and OZ crazies.
They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> Putin was bred to be a Stasi tyrant

>> Obviously NOT!

>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi

>> Did you read the wiki?

> I did, you obviously did not

You dont understand what Putin did.

> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi#Relationship_with_the_KGB>
> https://tinyurl.com/yampsn3v

> Although Mielke's Stasi was superficially granted independence in
> 1957, until 1990 the KGB continued to maintain liaison officers in all
> eight main Stasi directorates, each with his own office inside the
> Stasi's Berlin compound, and in each of the fifteen Stasi district
> headquarters around East Germany.

But Putin was never involved in any of that, let alone trained to be Stasi.

> Collaboration was so close that the
> KGB invited the Stasi to establish operational bases in Moscow and
> Leningrad to monitor visiting East German tourists and Mielke referred
> to the Stasi officers as "Chekists of the Soviet Union".

Irrelevant to what Putin was trained to be.

> In 1978,
> Mielke formally granted KGB officers in East Germany the same rights
> and powers that they enjoyed in the Soviet Union.

Irrelevant to what Putin was trained to be.

And Stasi never involved any tyrant.

*Ördög* wrote on 2/4/22 9:41 am:
> Daniel65 wrote:
>> Ördög
>>> and deaths gives you war and fuzzy
>> Hmm!! One wonders if your *war* might have been prophetic or
>> something!! ;-p
>
> Yeah...yeah... yeah. Horrible typo. I wanted to say: "warm and
> fuzzy".
>
> The spellchecker was obviously not doing its job...but at least you
> do! ;)
>
> Sadly, ever since I've upgraded my operating sytem to the latest
> version of Mint, my good old well functioning Usenet client "Pan"
> stopped working as intented (incompatibility with some GTK
> libraries).

In the vane of "If it ain't broken, don't fix it", I've stuck with my
trusty MageiaLinux Version 6 .... although I have downloaded (and burnt
to DVD) MageiaLinux Version 8.

One Day!! One Day!

> And no, I find compiling a fault free version is a step too far for
> me, nor will I budder my IT expert son with this problem).

And yes, I'm nowhere near as adventurous as you, compiling your version.
I just download the .iso file, burn and (eventually) install!

> I am forced to work under Wine with Windows optimised applications,
> which is a real pain as special characters won't display properly and
> the clipboard does not always work transfering content between Linux
> native apps and the apps in the Wine compatibility layer.

Never tried Wine but did consider it several years ago when my Linux
couldn't connect to Internet natively using my 3G USB Dongle ... but
Win7 had no problems connecting!! ;-(

> But at least I am able to post again to Usenet not using that
> horrible Thunderbird with its limited posting capabilities.

I've used SeaMonkey Suite (think Firefox plus Thunderbird plus ...) for
about fifteen years and before that Mozilla Suite and, further back
still, Netscape Suite and Communicator!

Maybe it's just what I do on the Internet compared to what you do, but I
have very few problems!!
--
Daniel

On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 20:01:39 +1100, Daniel65
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

/snip/
>
>In the vane of "If it ain't broken, don't fix it", I've stuck with my
>trusty MageiaLinux Version 6 .... although I have downloaded (and burnt
>to DVD) MageiaLinux Version 8.
>
>One Day!! One Day!

You are quite right to be cautious!

I have waited in this last instance quite a while before opting for
the current latest version of Mint (Linux Mint 20.3). I had not
upgraded the Mint 19.3 installation for three years. But eventually in
Ubuntu based distros like Mint the Kernel support stops, and future
upgrades become more difficult and messy.
In fact, this time I have opted for a clean install instead of risking
instabilities caused by a direct upgrade.

Actually, that why I like Debian testing based rolling distributions
(not without their own issues) as the updates are gradual (being the
newsgroup Devil makes me more adventurous and risk happy).
That is why on my second desktop, which I use for working with videos
and graphics (but never for the regular Internet stuff), I am using
Sparky Linux KDE64bit version (put together from Debian unstable and
testing by its developers) because this avoids the Ubuntu related bugs
and the yearly version upgrades as well as having more recent versions
of the software I use than is the case in the Mint repositories).

>> And no, I find compiling a fault free version is a step too far for
>> me, nor will I budder my IT expert son with this problem).

> And yes, I'm nowhere near as adventurous as you, compiling your version.
> I just download the .iso file, burn and (eventually) install!

I agree, I also would not dare to compile a full operating system.

I was only referring to 'Pan' which has developed some serious
incompatibility bugs due to miscommunication with the current Debian
GTK libraries. There is some tweaked source code available on the net
to fix this issue but it would also mean hunting down dependencies and
then, of course, compiling it to run on my distro. Too much work just
for a bloody Usenet client.

At least its Windows version works good enough for posting to Usenet
without meddling with the source code.

>> I am forced to work under Wine with Windows optimised applications,
>> which is a real pain as special characters won't display properly and
>> the clipboard does not always work transfering content between Linux
>> native apps and the apps in the Wine compatibility layer.
>
>Never tried Wine but did consider it several years ago when my Linux
>couldn't connect to Internet natively using my 3G USB Dongle ... but
>Win7 had no problems connecting!! ;-(
>
I've never meant to scare you away from Wine. For many Windows
applications it works quite well with minimal glitches.
For instance, Notepad ++ (an advanced text and coding editor) works
like charm without having to fiddle with the Wine setting to get it
run. Even my two (proprietary) CAD programs for model-railway design
run better than expected in the compatibility layer.

Basically, the current versions of Wine have came a long way from
their first incarnations during those pioneering years a decade ago.
But not all versions work equally well with any given application and
each app requires its own Wine settings (have to specify the Windows
version, may have to install the required MS libraries, fonts,
etc...etc...etc).

Naturally, if you don't need it for tasks that can only be done under
Windows (and in truth, that is the case for almost all everyday
computing stuff) there is no need to bother with Wine.

>
>I've used SeaMonkey Suite (think Firefox plus Thunderbird plus ...) for
>about fifteen years and before that Mozilla Suite and, further back
>still, Netscape Suite and Communicator!

Netscape, eh?
For me those were the good ol' horrible days under MS-DOS and Windows
3.1! I get goose bumps just thinking back on it.

;)

--
Ördög, the newsgroup Devil.

** �rd�g ** wrote on 3/4/22 9:19 am:
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 20:01:39 +1100, Daniel65
> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

<Snip>

>> Never tried Wine but did consider it several years ago when my
>> Linux couldn't connect to Internet natively using my 3G USB Dongle
>> ... but Win7 had no problems connecting!! ;-(
>>
> I've never meant to scare you away from Wine. For many Windows
> applications it works quite well with minimal glitches. For instance,
> Notepad ++ (an advanced text and coding editor) works like charm
> without having to fiddle with the Wine setting to get it run. Even my
> two (proprietary) CAD programs for model-railway design run better
> than expected in the compatibility layer.
>
> Basically, the current versions of Wine have came a long way from
> their first incarnations during those pioneering years a decade ago.
> But not all versions work equally well with any given application
> and each app requires its own Wine settings (have to specify the
> Windows version, may have to install the required MS libraries,
> fonts, etc...etc...etc).
>
> Naturally, if you don't need it for tasks that can only be done
> under Windows (and in truth, that is the case for almost all
> everyday computing stuff) there is no need to bother with Wine.
>
>>
>> I've used SeaMonkey Suite (think Firefox plus Thunderbird plus ...)
>> for about fifteen years and before that Mozilla Suite and, further
>> back still, Netscape Suite and Communicator!
>
> Netscape, eh? For me those were the good ol' horrible days under
> MS-DOS and Windows 3.1! I get goose bumps just thinking back on it.
>
> ;)

Ah!! Now you're talking!!

I think I started, about 1985-6, with MS-DOS 2 and moved on through to
DOS 6, then Win 3.1, Win 95 and Win 98 before, on this Laptop, going to
Dual Booting Win 7/ManDrake Linux 10.1 about a week before they had to
give up on the 'Mandrake' title or face possible legal action from the
Comic.

So ManDrake became ManDraviaLinux which then morphed into Mageia!

And, along the way, I've taught Command Line programming for 8085 8bit
CPU's!

All good fun and games!

My needs these days are pretty simple, SeaMonkey Suite for Web stuff,
LibreOffice Suite for Word Processing stuff (both of which are available
for both Linux and Win7), and KWrite/Notepad for Text based stuff ....
and that's about it!
--
Daniel

Petzl wrote on 2/4/22 1:57 pm:

<Snip>

> Thyroid problems are often a sign of radiation poisoning, in Putin's
> Russia a certainty

I thought radiation was used to treat Thyroid problems!

I suppose if you were hit with too much radiation, that could cause
problems, though!
--
Daniel

On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 20:10:38 +1000, Daniel65
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

>Petzl wrote on 2/4/22 1:57 pm:
>
><Snip>
>
>> Thyroid problems are often a sign of radiation poisoning, in Putin's
>> Russia a certainty
>
>I thought radiation was used to treat Thyroid problems!
>
>I suppose if you were hit with too much radiation, that could cause
>problems, though!
>
"a234" poisoning gives thyroid symptons.
But you knew that troll.
--
Petzl
"When you let people into your country that hate everything about you and your heritage,
there's a good chance they will kill you."

Daniel65

> Petz
>> Thyroid problems are often a sign of radiation poisoning, in Putin's
>> Russia a certainty

Just the usual bullshit Petz "I know everything--found it on conspiracy
sewer websites" crap!

There are multitude of different kinds of thyroid ailments due to a number
of very different causes, exposure to radiation is not any of the major
causes.

During my research days when I was working with open radioactive isotopes
I had to have regular gamma camera radiation scans done on my neck to
monitor my thyroid checking my level of exposure to Iodine-125...obviously
it was significant but I did not get thyroid cancer. (Iodine accumulates
in the thyroid gland).

> I thought radiation was used to treat Thyroid problems!

The treatment greatly varies depending on the stage and histology of the
cancer.
See:
<https://www.cancer.org › cancer › thyroid-cancer › treating › by-
stage.html>

> I suppose if you were hit with too much radiation, that could cause
> problems, though!

Too much radiation in itself is not thyroid specific, incorporation of
radioactive Iodine is! That is why I had to have the regular checkups.
One of my jobs was to label (i.e. chemically bind) Iodine-125 to proteins
for reasearch purposes and then use these, as well as Iodine-131
containing blood samples in protein separation and identification
experiments. So my exposure to vapours of these Iodine isotopes (combined
beta and gamma radiation emitters)and the possible incorporation of them
was a real issue.

Again, don't fall for all that hilarious scientific-illiterate bullshit
crap Petz posts to this newsgroup.

:)

--
Ördög - - the one and only newsgroup Devil.

Petz's latest Goon-bag-fumes delusions:

> "a234" poisoning gives thyroid symptons. But you knew that troll.

Whatever. Not everyone has interest scraping up random conspiracy bullshit
from the bottom of your favourite cyber-sewers.

BTW you keep jumping from one conspiracy theory to the next.
So was it radiation or was it a chemical exposure Putin was supposedly
subjected to? Make up your mind.

AND NO! Daniel is not a troll, unlike some of those septics you seem to
favour when they dump their rightard shit into this newsgroup.

--
Ördög - - (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)
Don't argue with idiots like the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporter
Petz and Felix, the alt-right nut-job/Xtian fundy apologist B.J. Foster
Lion's farts, the LNP combat-trolls platoon consisting of Little Jonzie
Howard Family of sockpuppets
They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>

On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 20:00:54 +1000, Daniel65 wrote:

/snip/
> Ah!! Now you're talking!!
>
> I think I started, about 1985-6, with MS-DOS 2 and moved on through to
> DOS 6, then Win 3.1, Win 95 and Win 98 before, on this Laptop, going to
> Dual Booting Win 7/ManDrake Linux 10.1 about a week before they had to
> give up on the 'Mandrake' title or face possible legal action from the
> Comic.
>
> So ManDrake became ManDraviaLinux which then morphed into Mageia!
>
> And, along the way, I've taught Command Line programming for 8085 8bit
> CPU's!
>
> All good fun and games!

More from the memory lane:

Have you ever had the questionable pleasure of talking to a mainframe in
FORTRAN 4 using punch-cards?

Beats DOS and even Windows version 1 on all counts of user unfriendliness.

--
Ördög - - the one and only newsgroup Devil.

On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 22:25:05 GMT, * Ördög * - - the Petz Buster -
<devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> wrote:

>Petz's latest Goon-bag-fumes delusions:
>
>> "a234" poisoning gives thyroid symptons. But you knew that troll.
>
>Whatever. Not everyone has interest scraping up random conspiracy bullshit
>from the bottom of your favourite cyber-sewers.
>
>BTW you keep jumping from one conspiracy theory to the next.
>So was it radiation or was it a chemical exposure Putin was supposedly
>subjected to? Make up your mind.
>
>AND NO! Daniel is not a troll, unlike some of those septics you seem to
>favour when they dump their rightard shit into this newsgroup.
>
If not a troll why snip out most of what was said?

You also do this even rewrite what is supposedly said.

Which was "Putin is Paranoid and believes he has been poisoned"
This is what Putin did to opponents of communism since the beginning
of his Stasi days.
So he recognizes he has the same symptoms?
--
Petzl
**On March fourteenth, in the year of our Lord. Eighteen eighty three
Karl Marx made his most important contribution to mankind...
He died**

They just weren’t doing Communism properly,
Say all of today’s Communists?

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money.

All governments lie about some things, but Ordogs totalitarian
governments lie about everything.

There is no difference between communism and socialism,
except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
communism proposes to enslave men by force,
socialism - by vote.
It is merely the difference between murder and suicide

Petz's latest Goon-bag-fumes delusions:

> Ördög

/snip/
>> AND NO! Daniel is not a troll, unlike some of those septics you seem to
>> favour when they dump their rightard shit into this newsgroup.
>>
> If not a troll why snip out most of what was said?

Snipping has bugger all to do with trolling.
One either snips lengthy exchanges for the sake of brevity and clarity or
one snips absolute insane crappy parts (like those ones you regularly
post) because of not wanting to carry then over to subsequent replies.

> You also do this even rewrite what is supposedly said.

Nope I don't need to rewrite your insane /illogical/over-the-top/moronic
posts.

All I do is to focus in on those parts I chose to respond to in my
response. Strangely enough only you seem to insist on seeing your
brainfairs remaining intact reply after reply after reply. Obviously
rational and sane posters never find this disturbing at all, just the
opposite, as looking up previous posts in the thread is as easy as
scrolling and clicking with ones' mouse in the Usenet client.
>
> Which was "Putin is Paranoid and believes he has been poisoned" This is
> what Putin did to opponents of communism since the beginning of his
> Stasi days.
> So he recognizes he has the same symptoms?

Yawn! You pretend to know Putin's mind...ROFLOL!

And, of course, Putin is obviously not a communist now (and I strongly
suspect that he never was anything else but a ruthless opportunist who did
not mind getting his hands dirty for personal advantage).
And stop this already debunked fucking ridiculous assertion of him being
Stasi. This only happened in your inebriated alternate reality phantasms.
Why don't you listen to Rod Speed, your much admired and clearly dominant
DUMB3 fellow group member who on this issue says exactly the same thing as
I do.

~~~
~~~
Busting Petz's idiotic hate propaganda sig is as follows:

> On March fourteenth, in the year of our Lord.

oh, you mean your non-existent, invisible sky fairy???

> Eighteen eighty three Karl Marx made his most important contribution to
mankind..

Nope.
Wrong date.

"In late February 1848, the Manifesto was anonymously published by the
Workers' Educational Association (Kommunistischer Arbeiterbildungsverein)
at Bishopsgate in the City of London. Written in German, the 23-page
pamphlet was titled Manifest der kommunistischen Partei and had a dark-
green cover. It was reprinted three times and serialised in the Deutsche
Londoner Zeitung, a newspaper for German émigrés. On 4 March, one day
after the serialisation in the Zeitung began, Marx was expelled by Belgian
police. Two weeks later, around 20 March, a thousand copies of the
Manifesto reached Paris, and from there to Germany in early April. In
April–May the text was corrected for printing and punctuation mistakes;
Marx and Engels would use this 30-page version as the basis for future
editions of the Manifesto."
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto>

Of course the Manifesto is just a tiny except of Marx's equally important
econopolitical analytical works on capitalism stretching over decades.

> He died
Yes, people tend to die, it's kind of an unavoidable fact of life. However
great people leave behind their legacy works which keep on surviving
depending on the values they represent for society.

What will be your legacy Petz dear? Alt-right hate and paranoia? Discarded
empty goon bags?

> The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
> people's money

Typical hard-right lie-bertarian propaganda slogan.
No one is spending "other people's money", so I can only conclude the
person saying this doesn't understand socialism. "Means of production,
distribution, and exchange" is the key phrase here. That doesn't mean
everyone's wealth is redistributed, Robin Hood style - it means that the
factories and corporations that provide goods and services to society are
publicly owned and regulated. This isn't too dissimilar from a public
stock exchange.
So I suppose if one's understanding of socialism is to spend other
people's money, then I suppose they're just doing it wrong.

> but Ordogs totalitarian governments

I might be the newsgroup devil, but I am certainly not so mighty as to own
any government, totalitarian or not. LOL!

> There is no difference between communism and socialism, ...

Shows how little you know about economics, politics and political
ideologies. So what the fuck are you actually doing in a political
newsgroup?

> ... except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
> communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote.
>
B U L L S H I T !
To a rational person I'd try to explain why what you posted was utter
rubbish, but in your case what'd be the point wasting my time and energy.

OK, OK, for sane readers (only) I still provide a couple of links:

<https://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism>

<https://byjus.com/free-ias-prep/difference-between-communism-capitalism-
and-socialism/>

> It is merely the difference between murder and suicide.
>
More B U L L S H I T accusations of the alt-right kind!

However what certain is:
The society you actually idolise and so badly wish for Petz dear is a
dystopian fascist theocratic nightmare, which offers nobody beyond a tiny
minority at the top of the food-chain any freedom, personal integrity,
hope and happiness.

< https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/
The_Handmaid%E2%80%99s_Tale_%E2%80%93_Der_Report_der_Magd>
~~

--
Ördög - -
The real one (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)

Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps, all of those Trump's deplorables, idiots like
Petz and his fellow septic and OZ crazies.
They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>

*Ördög* wrote on 4/4/22 8:32 am:
> On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 20:00:54 +1000, Daniel65 wrote:
>
> /snip/
>> Ah!! Now you're talking!!
>>
>> I think I started, about 1985-6, with MS-DOS 2 and moved on through
>> to DOS 6, then Win 3.1, Win 95 and Win 98 before, on this Laptop,
>> going to Dual Booting Win 7/ManDrake Linux 10.1 about a week before
>> they had to give up on the 'Mandrake' title or face possible legal
>> action from the Comic.
>>
>> So ManDrake became ManDraviaLinux which then morphed into Mageia!
>>
>> And, along the way, I've taught Command Line programming for 8085
>> 8bit CPU's!
>>
>> All good fun and games!
>
> More from the memory lane:
>
> Have you ever had the questionable pleasure of talking to a mainframe
> in FORTRAN 4 using punch-cards?
>
> Beats DOS and even Windows version 1 on all counts of user
> unfriendliness.

I did some BASIC programming on Card at Footscray TaFE in 1981 or 82,
did a two-week course on programming a PDP-8 using front panel toggle
switches in about 1983 and tried a bit (a very small bit) of
Turbo-Pascal in the late 80's!
--
Daniel

Petzl wrote on 3/4/22 9:19 pm:
> On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 20:10:38 +1000, Daniel65
> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>> Petzl wrote on 2/4/22 1:57 pm:
>>
>> <Snip>
>>
>>> Thyroid problems are often a sign of radiation poisoning, in Putin's
>>> Russia a certainty
>>
>> I thought radiation was used to treat Thyroid problems!
>>
>> I suppose if you were hit with too much radiation, that could cause
>> problems, though!
>>
> "a234" poisoning gives thyroid symptons.
> But you knew that troll.

"a234"??

"Troll"?? Who?? Me?? *NEVER* !!
--
Daniel

Petzl wrote on 4/4/22 9:47 am:
> On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 22:25:05 GMT, * Ördög * - - the Petz Buster -
> <devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> wrote:

<Snip>

>> AND NO! Daniel is not a troll, unlike some of those septics you
>> seem to favour when they dump their rightard shit into this
>> newsgroup.

Thank you!

> If not a troll why snip out most of what was said?

I wasn't addressing anything (in the bit that I snipped) so why leave it
in place cluttering up your screen??
--
Daniel

*Ördög* wrote on 4/4/22 8:14 am:
> Daniel65
>> Petz
>>> Thyroid problems are often a sign of radiation poisoning, in
>>> Putin's Russia a certainty
>
> Just the usual bullshit Petz "I know everything--found it on
> conspiracy sewer websites" crap!
>
> There are multitude of different kinds of thyroid ailments due to a
> number of very different causes, exposure to radiation is not any of
> the major causes.
>
> During my research days when I was working with open radioactive
> isotopes I had to have regular gamma camera radiation scans done on
> my neck to monitor my thyroid checking my level of exposure to
> Iodine-125...obviously it was significant but I did not get thyroid
> cancer. (Iodine accumulates in the thyroid gland).
>
>> I thought radiation was used to treat Thyroid problems!
>
> The treatment greatly varies depending on the stage and histology of
> the cancer. See: <https://www.cancer.org › cancer › thyroid-cancer ›
> treating › by- stage.html>
>
>> I suppose if you were hit with too much radiation, that could
>> cause problems, though!
>
> Too much radiation in itself is not thyroid specific, incorporation
> of radioactive Iodine is! That is why I had to have the regular
> checkups. One of my jobs was to label (i.e. chemically bind)
> Iodine-125 to proteins for reasearch purposes and then use these, as
> well as Iodine-131 containing blood samples in protein separation and
> identification experiments. So my exposure to vapours of these Iodine
> isotopes (combined beta and gamma radiation emitters)and the possible
> incorporation of them was a real issue.

What "interesting" lives some of us have had!! ;-P

> Again, don't fall for all that hilarious scientific-illiterate
> bullshit crap Petz posts to this newsgroup.
>
> :)

Never gunna happen! ;-P
--
Daniel

Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote
> *Ördög* wrote
>> Daniel65 wrote

>>> Ah!! Now you're talking!!
>>> I think I started, about 1985-6, with MS-DOS 2 and moved on through
>>> to DOS 6, then Win 3.1, Win 95 and Win 98 before, on this Laptop,
>>> going to Dual Booting Win 7/ManDrake Linux 10.1 about a week before
>>> they had to give up on the 'Mandrake' title or face possible legal
>>> action from the Comic.
>>> So ManDrake became ManDraviaLinux which then morphed into Mageia!
>>> And, along the way, I've taught Command Line programming for 8085
>>> 8bit CPU's!
>>> All good fun and games!
>> More from the memory lane:
>> Have you ever had the questionable pleasure of talking to a mainframe
>> in FORTRAN 4 using punch-cards?
>> Beats DOS and even Windows version 1 on all counts of user
>> unfriendliness.

> I did some BASIC programming on Card at Footscray TaFE in 1981 or 82,

> did a two-week course on programming a PDP-8 using front panel toggle
> switches in about 1983

No you didn't, the front panel toggle switches were just used
to load the boot loader.

> and tried a bit (a very small bit) of Turbo-Pascal in the late 80's!