On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 23:20:17 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> a gribouillé dans
la poussière...

>On 13.11.22 20:44, Chris wrote:
>> krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>> On 12.11.22 17:34, Vicky wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:13:30 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11.11.22 21:31, Vicky wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 19:34:55 +0000, Paul Herber
>>>>>> <paul@paulherber.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 19:27:22 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10-Nov-22 21:53, Joe Kerr wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 09/11/2022 09:39, krw wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8.11.22 19:30, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to bother you all, but sometimes you need to vent.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Entirely welcome - one of the beauties of umra is that we know why we
>>>>>>>>>> are listening and sometimes we might even be able to help!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vidi. Veni. Venti. I saw. I came. I vented.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ventissimo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ventnor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cowes
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mornington Crescent.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't think you can do that because there is E and W Cowes and you
>>>> need a ferry to cross between them, which is 2 extra stops you missed
>>>> out.
>>>
>>> I am sure there are Underground trains on the IoW and once there was a
>>> plan to connect the line at Lymington with the one at Yarmouth, so I was
>>> just assuming it had been built with Underground trains being used.
>>>
>>
>> Ooohhh nooooaaahhh. Underground trains have been replaced by less ancient
>> trains. (Pretty sure IOW didn’t get spanking new hot off the factory floor
>> ones)
>>
>
>The new IoW trains are still ex-London Underground trains.

But there is no replacement bus service for the ferries - only cats...
<https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/23125631.isle-wight-travel-update-services-cancelled-due-weather/>

"ISLE of Wight travel has been affected by weather, as the Met Office
extends today's yellow weather warning (Tuesday, November 15).

The Met Office has extended its weather warning for rain to Thursday
(November 17).

Hovertravel remains out of service following an earlier announcement from
the cross-Solent travel provider cancelling crossings due to adverse
weather conditions.

Tickets will be accepted on Wightlink’s Fast Cat service from Ryde Pier
Head and Portsmouth Harbour."
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 11:21:47 +0000, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
wrote:

>The Met Office has extended its weather warning for rain to Thursday
>(November 17).

Watford to Brent Cross had a few areas where the puddles were wide and
deep. Not the M1 bit but the A41 had them.

On 15/11/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:
[snip]
>
> Tickets will be accepted on Wightlink’s Fast Cat service from Ryde Pier
> Head and Portsmouth Harbour."
I once had a close encounter with the Fast Cat during a Civil Service
Regatta. We had sailed from Cowes to the Nab Tower (a fort in the middle
of the Eastern Solent) and on the return leg made a course which took us
inshore near Ryde. Unfortunately at that point the wind decided to drop
away completely and we were left at the mercy of the tide which carried
us excruciatingly slowly along the shore and across the end of Ryde
Pier, almost withing touching distance (to the extent where we were
consulting the race rules to see if pushing ourselves hand over hand
along the pier was allowed or not).

Then, just as we came out from the shadow of the pier we realised that
the Cat was just setting off and was bearing down on us about 20m away.
At that point the skipper started the engine, tacked away[1], we
withdrew from the race and to a comfortable distance where we could furl
the sails and motor back to Cowes.

john

[1] Insofar as one can define tacking and gybing in a flat calm.

On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 13:10:23 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 15/11/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:
>[snip]
>>
>> Tickets will be accepted on Wightlink’s Fast Cat service from Ryde Pier
>> Head and Portsmouth Harbour."
>I once had a close encounter with the Fast Cat during a Civil Service
>Regatta. We had sailed from Cowes to the Nab Tower (a fort in the middle
>of the Eastern Solent) and on the return leg made a course which took us
>inshore near Ryde. Unfortunately at that point the wind decided to drop
>away completely and we were left at the mercy of the tide which carried
>us excruciatingly slowly along the shore and across the end of Ryde
>Pier, almost withing touching distance (to the extent where we were
>consulting the race rules to see if pushing ourselves hand over hand
>along the pier was allowed or not).
>
>Then, just as we came out from the shadow of the pier we realised that
>the Cat was just setting off and was bearing down on us about 20m away.
>At that point the skipper started the engine, tacked away[1], we
>withdrew from the race and to a comfortable distance where we could furl
>the sails and motor back to Cowes.
>
>john
>
>[1] Insofar as one can define tacking and gybing in a flat calm.

I'm a tad surprised at the actions of your skipper. Surely the proper
thing to do would have been to stand your ground and run up a signal
flag declaring that steam gives way to sail?

Nick

Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 23:20:17 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> a gribouillé dans
> la poussière...
>
>> On 13.11.22 20:44, Chris wrote:
>>> krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 12.11.22 17:34, Vicky wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:13:30 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11.11.22 21:31, Vicky wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 19:34:55 +0000, Paul Herber
>>>>>>> <paul@paulherber.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 19:27:22 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10-Nov-22 21:53, Joe Kerr wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 09/11/2022 09:39, krw wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8.11.22 19:30, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to bother you all, but sometimes you need to vent.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Entirely welcome - one of the beauties of umra is that we know why we
>>>>>>>>>>> are listening and sometimes we might even be able to help!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Vidi. Veni. Venti. I saw. I came. I vented.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ventissimo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ventnor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cowes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mornington Crescent.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think you can do that because there is E and W Cowes and you
>>>>> need a ferry to cross between them, which is 2 extra stops you missed
>>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>> I am sure there are Underground trains on the IoW and once there was a
>>>> plan to connect the line at Lymington with the one at Yarmouth, so I was
>>>> just assuming it had been built with Underground trains being used.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ooohhh nooooaaahhh. Underground trains have been replaced by less ancient
>>> trains. (Pretty sure IOW didn’t get spanking new hot off the factory floor
>>> ones)
>>>
>>
>> The new IoW trains are still ex-London Underground trains.
>
> But there is no replacement bus service for the ferries - only cats...
> <https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/23125631.isle-wight-travel-update-services-cancelled-due-weather/>
>
> "ISLE of Wight travel has been affected by weather, as the Met Office
> extends today's yellow weather warning (Tuesday, November 15).
>
> The Met Office has extended its weather warning for rain to Thursday
> (November 17).
>
> Hovertravel remains out of service following an earlier announcement from
> the cross-Solent travel provider cancelling crossings due to adverse
> weather conditions.
>
> Tickets will be accepted on Wightlink’s Fast Cat service from Ryde Pier
> Head and Portsmouth Harbour."

*miaow*

On 15-Nov-22 14:34, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 13:10:23 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
> wrote:

>> Then, just as we came out from the shadow of the pier we realised that
>> the Cat was just setting off and was bearing down on us about 20m away.
>> At that point the skipper started the engine, tacked away[1], we
>> withdrew from the race and to a comfortable distance where we could furl
>> the sails and motor back to Cowes.
>>
>> john
>>
>> [1] Insofar as one can define tacking and gybing in a flat calm.
>
> I'm a tad surprised at the actions of your skipper. Surely the proper
> thing to do would have been to stand your ground and run up a signal
> flag declaring that steam gives way to sail?

Difficult to stand your ground when you're all at sea.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 15/11/2022 14:34, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 13:10:23 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 15/11/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>
>>> Tickets will be accepted on Wightlink’s Fast Cat service from Ryde Pier
>>> Head and Portsmouth Harbour."
>> I once had a close encounter with the Fast Cat during a Civil Service
>> Regatta. We had sailed from Cowes to the Nab Tower (a fort in the middle
>> of the Eastern Solent) and on the return leg made a course which took us
>> inshore near Ryde. Unfortunately at that point the wind decided to drop
>> away completely and we were left at the mercy of the tide which carried
>> us excruciatingly slowly along the shore and across the end of Ryde
>> Pier, almost withing touching distance (to the extent where we were
>> consulting the race rules to see if pushing ourselves hand over hand
>> along the pier was allowed or not).
>>
>> Then, just as we came out from the shadow of the pier we realised that
>> the Cat was just setting off and was bearing down on us about 20m away.
>> At that point the skipper started the engine, tacked away[1], we
>> withdrew from the race and to a comfortable distance where we could furl
>> the sails and motor back to Cowes.
>>
>> john
>>
>> [1] Insofar as one can define tacking and gybing in a flat calm.
>
> I'm a tad surprised at the actions of your skipper. Surely the proper
> thing to do would have been to stand your ground and run up a signal
> flag declaring that steam gives way to sail?
>
> Nick

Here lies someone who had Right of Way.

john (plus I don't think Sunsail would have been very pleased to have
their boats returned as matchwoo^H^H^Hfibreglass.)

On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 21:42:42 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 15/11/2022 14:34, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 13:10:23 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/11/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> Tickets will be accepted on Wightlink’s Fast Cat service from Ryde Pier
>>>> Head and Portsmouth Harbour."
>>> I once had a close encounter with the Fast Cat during a Civil Service
>>> Regatta. We had sailed from Cowes to the Nab Tower (a fort in the middle
>>> of the Eastern Solent) and on the return leg made a course which took us
>>> inshore near Ryde. Unfortunately at that point the wind decided to drop
>>> away completely and we were left at the mercy of the tide which carried
>>> us excruciatingly slowly along the shore and across the end of Ryde
>>> Pier, almost withing touching distance (to the extent where we were
>>> consulting the race rules to see if pushing ourselves hand over hand
>>> along the pier was allowed or not).
>>>
>>> Then, just as we came out from the shadow of the pier we realised that
>>> the Cat was just setting off and was bearing down on us about 20m away.
>>> At that point the skipper started the engine, tacked away[1], we
>>> withdrew from the race and to a comfortable distance where we could furl
>>> the sails and motor back to Cowes.
>>>
>>> john
>>>
>>> [1] Insofar as one can define tacking and gybing in a flat calm.
>>
>> I'm a tad surprised at the actions of your skipper. Surely the proper
>> thing to do would have been to stand your ground and run up a signal
>> flag declaring that steam gives way to sail?
>>
>> Nick
>
>Here lies someone who had Right of Way.
>
>john (plus I don't think Sunsail would have been very pleased to have
>their boats returned as matchwoo^H^H^Hfibreglass.)

Hmm. Yes. I suppose I ought to have prefaced my previous remarks with
something like, "Don't try this at home. And especially don't try this
in the vicinity of Ryde pier."

Nick

On 16-Nov-22 16:41, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 21:42:42 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 15/11/2022 14:34, Nick Odell wrote:
>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 13:10:23 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 15/11/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:
>>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>> Tickets will be accepted on Wightlink’s Fast Cat service from Ryde Pier
>>>>> Head and Portsmouth Harbour."
>>>> I once had a close encounter with the Fast Cat during a Civil Service
>>>> Regatta. We had sailed from Cowes to the Nab Tower (a fort in the middle
>>>> of the Eastern Solent) and on the return leg made a course which took us
>>>> inshore near Ryde. Unfortunately at that point the wind decided to drop
>>>> away completely and we were left at the mercy of the tide which carried
>>>> us excruciatingly slowly along the shore and across the end of Ryde
>>>> Pier, almost withing touching distance (to the extent where we were
>>>> consulting the race rules to see if pushing ourselves hand over hand
>>>> along the pier was allowed or not).
>>>>
>>>> Then, just as we came out from the shadow of the pier we realised that
>>>> the Cat was just setting off and was bearing down on us about 20m away.
>>>> At that point the skipper started the engine, tacked away[1], we
>>>> withdrew from the race and to a comfortable distance where we could furl
>>>> the sails and motor back to Cowes.
>>>>
>>>> john
>>>>
>>>> [1] Insofar as one can define tacking and gybing in a flat calm.
>>>
>>> I'm a tad surprised at the actions of your skipper. Surely the proper
>>> thing to do would have been to stand your ground and run up a signal
>>> flag declaring that steam gives way to sail?
>>>
>>> Nick
>>
>> Here lies someone who had Right of Way.
>>
>> john (plus I don't think Sunsail would have been very pleased to have
>> their boats returned as matchwoo^H^H^Hfibreglass.)
>
> Hmm. Yes. I suppose I ought to have prefaced my previous remarks with
> something like, "Don't try this at home. And especially don't try this
> in the vicinity of Ryde pier."

If John wants a title for his autobiog, "The road to Ryde Pier" might work.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 16/11/2022 20:37, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 16-Nov-22 16:41, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 21:42:42 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/11/2022 14:34, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 13:10:23 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/11/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tickets will be accepted on Wightlink’s Fast Cat service from Ryde
>>>>>> Pier
>>>>>> Head and Portsmouth Harbour."
>>>>> I once had a close encounter with the Fast Cat during a Civil Service
>>>>> Regatta. We had sailed from Cowes to the Nab Tower (a fort in the
>>>>> middle
>>>>> of the Eastern Solent) and on the return leg made a course which
>>>>> took us
>>>>> inshore near Ryde. Unfortunately at that point the wind decided to
>>>>> drop
>>>>> away completely and we were left at the mercy of the tide which
>>>>> carried
>>>>> us excruciatingly slowly along the shore and across the end of Ryde
>>>>> Pier, almost withing touching distance (to the extent where we were
>>>>> consulting the race rules to see if pushing ourselves hand over hand
>>>>> along the pier was allowed or not).
>>>>>
>>>>> Then, just as we came out from the shadow of the pier we realised that
>>>>> the Cat was just setting off and was bearing down on us about 20m
>>>>> away.
>>>>> At that point the skipper started the engine, tacked away[1], we
>>>>> withdrew from the race and to a comfortable distance where we could
>>>>> furl
>>>>> the sails and motor back to Cowes.
>>>>>
>>>>> john
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] Insofar as one can define tacking and gybing in a flat calm.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a tad surprised at the actions of your skipper. Surely the proper
>>>> thing to do would have been to stand your ground and run up a signal
>>>> flag declaring that steam gives way to sail?
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>
>>> Here lies someone who had Right of Way.
>>>
>>> john (plus I don't think Sunsail would have been very pleased to have
>>> their boats returned as matchwoo^H^H^Hfibreglass.)
>>
>> Hmm. Yes. I suppose I ought to have prefaced my previous remarks with
>> something like, "Don't try this at home. And especially don't try this
>> in the vicinity of Ryde pier."
>
> If John wants a title for his autobiog, "The road to Ryde Pier" might work.
>

In that calm it was nearly "We Rowed to Ryde Pier".

john

On 17/11/2022 09:30, John Ashby wrote:
> On 16/11/2022 20:37, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 16-Nov-22 16:41, Nick Odell wrote:
>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 21:42:42 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 15/11/2022 14:34, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 13:10:23 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/11/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tickets will be accepted on Wightlink’s Fast Cat service from
>>>>>>> Ryde Pier
>>>>>>> Head and Portsmouth Harbour."
>>>>>> I once had a close encounter with the Fast Cat during a Civil Service
>>>>>> Regatta. We had sailed from Cowes to the Nab Tower (a fort in the
>>>>>> middle
>>>>>> of the Eastern Solent) and on the return leg made a course which
>>>>>> took us
>>>>>> inshore near Ryde. Unfortunately at that point the wind decided to
>>>>>> drop
>>>>>> away completely and we were left at the mercy of the tide which
>>>>>> carried
>>>>>> us excruciatingly slowly along the shore and across the end of Ryde
>>>>>> Pier, almost withing touching distance (to the extent where we were
>>>>>> consulting the race rules to see if pushing ourselves hand over hand
>>>>>> along the pier was allowed or not).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then, just as we came out from the shadow of the pier we realised
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the Cat was just setting off and was bearing down on us about 20m
>>>>>> away.
>>>>>> At that point the skipper started the engine, tacked away[1], we
>>>>>> withdrew from the race and to a comfortable distance where we
>>>>>> could furl
>>>>>> the sails and motor back to Cowes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> john
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] Insofar as one can define tacking and gybing in a flat calm.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a tad surprised at the actions of your skipper. Surely the proper
>>>>> thing to do would have been to stand your ground and run up a signal
>>>>> flag declaring that steam gives way to sail?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>> Here lies someone who had Right of Way.
>>>>
>>>> john (plus I don't think Sunsail would have been very pleased to have
>>>> their boats returned as matchwoo^H^H^Hfibreglass.)
>>>
>>> Hmm. Yes. I suppose I ought to have prefaced my previous remarks with
>>> something like, "Don't try this at home. And especially don't try this
>>> in the vicinity of Ryde pier."
>>
>> If John wants a title for his autobiog, "The road to Ryde Pier" might
>> work.
>>
>
> In that calm it was nearly "We Rowed to Ryde Pier".
>
> john

I once caught the last 28 minutes or so of a half hour programme on R4.
It was a biography of some sort. They kept saying that she
road/rowed/rode. I never did find out whether it was horses or boats.

--
Ric

Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com> wrote:
> On 17/11/2022 09:30, John Ashby wrote:
>> On 16/11/2022 20:37, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> On 16-Nov-22 16:41, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 21:42:42 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/11/2022 14:34, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 13:10:23 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/11/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:
>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tickets will be accepted on Wightlink’s Fast Cat service from
>>>>>>>> Ryde Pier
>>>>>>>> Head and Portsmouth Harbour."
>>>>>>> I once had a close encounter with the Fast Cat during a Civil Service
>>>>>>> Regatta. We had sailed from Cowes to the Nab Tower (a fort in the
>>>>>>> middle
>>>>>>> of the Eastern Solent) and on the return leg made a course which
>>>>>>> took us
>>>>>>> inshore near Ryde. Unfortunately at that point the wind decided to
>>>>>>> drop
>>>>>>> away completely and we were left at the mercy of the tide which
>>>>>>> carried
>>>>>>> us excruciatingly slowly along the shore and across the end of Ryde
>>>>>>> Pier, almost withing touching distance (to the extent where we were
>>>>>>> consulting the race rules to see if pushing ourselves hand over hand
>>>>>>> along the pier was allowed or not).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then, just as we came out from the shadow of the pier we realised
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> the Cat was just setting off and was bearing down on us about 20m
>>>>>>> away.
>>>>>>> At that point the skipper started the engine, tacked away[1], we
>>>>>>> withdrew from the race and to a comfortable distance where we
>>>>>>> could furl
>>>>>>> the sails and motor back to Cowes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> john
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] Insofar as one can define tacking and gybing in a flat calm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm a tad surprised at the actions of your skipper. Surely the proper
>>>>>> thing to do would have been to stand your ground and run up a signal
>>>>>> flag declaring that steam gives way to sail?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>
>>>>> Here lies someone who had Right of Way.
>>>>>
>>>>> john (plus I don't think Sunsail would have been very pleased to have
>>>>> their boats returned as matchwoo^H^H^Hfibreglass.)
>>>>
>>>> Hmm. Yes. I suppose I ought to have prefaced my previous remarks with
>>>> something like, "Don't try this at home. And especially don't try this
>>>> in the vicinity of Ryde pier."
>>>
>>> If John wants a title for his autobiog, "The road to Ryde Pier" might
>>> work.
>>>
>>
>> In that calm it was nearly "We Rowed to Ryde Pier".
>>
>> john
>
> I once caught the last 28 minutes or so of a half hour programme on R4.
> It was a biography of some sort. They kept saying that she
> road/rowed/rode. I never did find out whether it was horses or boats.
>

Hallelujah!

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan