krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
> On 10.1.23 12:08, Penny wrote:
>> Is blame the right word for many other animal deaths?
>
> He pulled the trigger?
>

Was he badgered into doing it by anyone else?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 09:42:55 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> a gribouillé dans
la poussière...

>On 10.1.23 12:08, Penny wrote:
>> Is blame the right word for many other animal deaths?
>
>He pulled the trigger?

Not the case with cattle and sheep.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On 11.1.23 11:34, Penny wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 09:42:55 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> a gribouillé dans
> la poussière...
>
>> On 10.1.23 12:08, Penny wrote:
>>> Is blame the right word for many other animal deaths?
>>
>> He pulled the trigger?
>
> Not the case with cattle and sheep.

Aren't they tasered with a gun like device with a trigger before
anything else?

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 11:39:39 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> a gribouillé dans
la poussière...

>On 11.1.23 11:34, Penny wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 09:42:55 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> a gribouillé dans
>> la poussière...
>>
>>> On 10.1.23 12:08, Penny wrote:
>>>> Is blame the right word for many other animal deaths?
>>>
>>> He pulled the trigger?
>>
>> Not the case with cattle and sheep.
>
>Aren't they tasered with a gun like device with a trigger before
>anything else?

Dunno, never visited an abattoir.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On 11/01/2023 11:34, Penny wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 09:42:55 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> a gribouillé dans
> la poussière...
>
>> On 10.1.23 12:08, Penny wrote:
>>> Is blame the right word for many other animal deaths?
>>
>> He pulled the trigger?
>
> Not the case with cattle and sheep.

Halal Penny, I didn;t see you over there.

Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes:

> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 23:30:56 +0000, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 18:34:49 +0000, Rosie Mitchell <walneyrose@gmail.com> a
>>gribouillé dans la poussière...
>>
>>>Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> There was a slight cloud over what happened to Nelson’s father; it was
>>>> thought he may have drowned after one-too-many ‘specials’… but that is all
>>>> Walter under the bridge now.
>>>>
>>>> I dare say that other listeners can unearth other suspicious happenings…
>>>
>>>That Jethro was up to no good, always larkin' about.
>>
>>I'm still confused about Jethro's death. I don't recall it happening but
>>suppose I may have missed the odd episode in June '87 but I can't think
>>why. The book says he was pushing himself at work in the belief David
>>thought he was too old - he was only 53.
>
> The Book will doubtless contradict me but my recollection of the
> episode is of an accident while Jethro and David were taking down an
> unsafe tree which proved terminally unsafe for Jethro. It obviously
> wasn't the Mark Hebden Memorial Tree and there's no evidence that
> David mistook Jethro for a badger so I guess it was just another case
> for the Health and Safety Executive.
>
I know this is correct because I remember exactly where I was when I
heard it on the omnibus. I mean, I wasn't on the Clapham omnibus but I
was driving the trusty piss-green Morris Marina (don't laugh, it started
first time every time, handled like a tank and was the only car in
Pembridge Crescent W11 that never got broken into) not that far from
Clapham. Driving down Croxted Road in Dulwich in fact, en route to
Sunday lunch with friends in Elmer's End.

Rosie

Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> writes:

> On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 22:31:09 +0000, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 23:30:56 +0000, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 18:34:49 +0000, Rosie Mitchell <walneyrose@gmail.com> a
>>>gribouillé dans la poussière...
>>>
>>>>Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> There was a slight cloud over what happened to Nelson’s father; it was
>>>>> thought he may have drowned after one-too-many ‘specials’… but that is all
>>>>> Walter under the bridge now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I dare say that other listeners can unearth other suspicious happenings…
>>>>
>>>>That Jethro was up to no good, always larkin' about.
>>>
>>>I'm still confused about Jethro's death. I don't recall it happening but
>>>suppose I may have missed the odd episode in June '87 but I can't think
>>>why. The book says he was pushing himself at work in the belief David
>>>thought he was too old - he was only 53.
>>
>>The Book will doubtless contradict me but my recollection of the
>>episode is of an accident while Jethro and David were taking down an
>>unsafe tree which proved terminally unsafe for Jethro. It obviously
>>wasn't the Mark Hebden Memorial Tree and there's no evidence that
>>David mistook Jethro for a badger so I guess it was just another case
>>for the Health and Safety Executive.
>>
>>Nick
>
> So three times David has been not to blame for a death he witnessed?
> Oh, he was to blame for the badger. But Nigel and Jethro?

David wasn't responsible for killing Jethro's brother Bob though. That
would be Tom Forrest. Who literally got away with murder.

Rosie

On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 11:39:39 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:

>On 11.1.23 11:34, Penny wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 09:42:55 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> a gribouillé dans
>> la poussière...
>>
>>> On 10.1.23 12:08, Penny wrote:
>>>> Is blame the right word for many other animal deaths?
>>>
>>> He pulled the trigger?
>>
>> Not the case with cattle and sheep.
>
>Aren't they tasered with a gun like device with a trigger before
>anything else?

Ooh no. Nasty hurty things Tasers. And they are meant to be.

Although it doesn't actually say so in Richard Thompson's "I Still
Dream" the stun gun is intended to render the creature instantly
unconscious before slaughter so that it's not aware of what's
happening and - if I may wear a cynical hat for a moment - because a
fearful animal pumps all sorts of hormones and stuff like adrenaline
into its system and the meat doesn't taste as nice.

Nick

On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 14:07:57 +0000, Rosie Mitchell
<walneyrose@gmail.com> wrote:

>Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes:
>
>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 23:30:56 +0000, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 18:34:49 +0000, Rosie Mitchell <walneyrose@gmail.com> a
>>>gribouillé dans la poussière...
>>>
>>>>Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> There was a slight cloud over what happened to Nelson’s father; it was
>>>>> thought he may have drowned after one-too-many ‘specials’… but that is all
>>>>> Walter under the bridge now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I dare say that other listeners can unearth other suspicious happenings…
>>>>
>>>>That Jethro was up to no good, always larkin' about.
>>>
>>>I'm still confused about Jethro's death. I don't recall it happening but
>>>suppose I may have missed the odd episode in June '87 but I can't think
>>>why. The book says he was pushing himself at work in the belief David
>>>thought he was too old - he was only 53.
>>
>> The Book will doubtless contradict me but my recollection of the
>> episode is of an accident while Jethro and David were taking down an
>> unsafe tree which proved terminally unsafe for Jethro. It obviously
>> wasn't the Mark Hebden Memorial Tree and there's no evidence that
>> David mistook Jethro for a badger so I guess it was just another case
>> for the Health and Safety Executive.
>>
>I know this is correct because I remember exactly where I was when I
>heard it on the omnibus. I mean, I wasn't on the Clapham omnibus but I
>was driving the trusty piss-green Morris Marina (don't laugh, it started
>first time every time, handled like a tank and was the only car in
>Pembridge Crescent W11 that never got broken into) not that far from
>Clapham. Driving down Croxted Road in Dulwich in fact, en route to
>Sunday lunch with friends in Elmer's End.
>
Well, yes. It was one of those episodes I too remember because I know
where I was at the time. I was listening to the lunchtime repeat in my
workshop on my Bush DAC90 and I remember looking up from my work and
out of the front window onto the quiet street and thinking: Oooooh!

Nick

On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 19:43:56 +0000, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> a
gribouillé dans la poussière...

>Although it doesn't actually say so in Richard Thompson's "I Still
>Dream" the stun gun is intended to render the creature instantly
>unconscious before slaughter so that it's not aware of what's
>happening and - if I may wear a cynical hat for a moment - because a
>fearful animal pumps all sorts of hormones and stuff like adrenaline
>into its system and the meat doesn't taste as nice.

It's true. The best meat comes from smallholders who take their beasts to
the abattoir (preferably small and attached to a butcher shop, as we had in
a nearby village in Kent) in the back of the Land Rover, which they've
travelled in before. B#1 had such a smallholding in Derbyshire, on which he
kept a few sheep (and goats for the milk). His lamb was wonderful! His
vegetarian step daughter would eat his lamb - she didn't regard it as meat.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 10:12:23 +0000, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 19:43:56 +0000, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> a
>gribouillé dans la poussière...
>
>>Although it doesn't actually say so in Richard Thompson's "I Still
>>Dream" the stun gun is intended to render the creature instantly
>>unconscious before slaughter so that it's not aware of what's
>>happening and - if I may wear a cynical hat for a moment - because a
>>fearful animal pumps all sorts of hormones and stuff like adrenaline
>>into its system and the meat doesn't taste as nice.
>
>It's true. The best meat comes from smallholders who take their beasts to
>the abattoir (preferably small and attached to a butcher shop, as we had in
>a nearby village in Kent) in the back of the Land Rover, which they've
>travelled in before. B#1 had such a smallholding in Derbyshire, on which he
>kept a few sheep (and goats for the milk). His lamb was wonderful! His
>vegetarian step daughter would eat his lamb - she didn't regard it as meat.

I wonder if Tony's beef herd is like this. They do have a problem with
abattoir shortage though. Sadly this model wouldn't feed the world. Or
not without some other extensive adjustments.

Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 10:12:23 +0000, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 19:43:56 +0000, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> a
>> gribouillé dans la poussière...
>>
>>> Although it doesn't actually say so in Richard Thompson's "I Still
>>> Dream" the stun gun is intended to render the creature instantly
>>> unconscious before slaughter so that it's not aware of what's
>>> happening and - if I may wear a cynical hat for a moment - because a
>>> fearful animal pumps all sorts of hormones and stuff like adrenaline
>>> into its system and the meat doesn't taste as nice.
>>
>> It's true. The best meat comes from smallholders who take their beasts to
>> the abattoir (preferably small and attached to a butcher shop, as we had in
>> a nearby village in Kent) in the back of the Land Rover, which they've
>> travelled in before. B#1 had such a smallholding in Derbyshire, on which he
>> kept a few sheep (and goats for the milk). His lamb was wonderful! His
>> vegetarian step daughter would eat his lamb - she didn't regard it as meat.
>
> I wonder if Tony's beef herd is like this. They do have a problem with
> abattoir shortage though. Sadly this model wouldn't feed the world. Or
> not without some other extensive adjustments.
>

Does this mean the likes of Ambridge need a gun-toting sharp shooter who
has an honours degree with bars on it in Charm Offensive tactics to travel
the lanes and by-ways to sneak up on animals ready for the slaughter?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 11:32:57 +0000, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> a
gribouillé dans la poussière...

>On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 10:12:23 +0000, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 19:43:56 +0000, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> a
>>gribouillé dans la poussière...
>>
>>>Although it doesn't actually say so in Richard Thompson's "I Still
>>>Dream" the stun gun is intended to render the creature instantly
>>>unconscious before slaughter so that it's not aware of what's
>>>happening and - if I may wear a cynical hat for a moment - because a
>>>fearful animal pumps all sorts of hormones and stuff like adrenaline
>>>into its system and the meat doesn't taste as nice.
>>
>>It's true. The best meat comes from smallholders who take their beasts to
>>the abattoir (preferably small and attached to a butcher shop, as we had in
>>a nearby village in Kent) in the back of the Land Rover, which they've
>>travelled in before. B#1 had such a smallholding in Derbyshire, on which he
>>kept a few sheep (and goats for the milk). His lamb was wonderful! His
>>vegetarian step daughter would eat his lamb - she didn't regard it as meat.
>
>I wonder if Tony's beef herd is like this. They do have a problem with
>abattoir shortage though. Sadly this model wouldn't feed the world. Or
>not without some other extensive adjustments.

It's made me wonder who kills the Wagyu beef a chap up the road gives such
loving care to...
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959