On 23/05/2022 12:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 11:13 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 23/05/2022 10:06 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>>> The numbers they put on the pamphlets aren't random. That's where
>>>>> they want your preferences to go, but you don't get to find that
>>>>> out until polling day.
>>>>
>>>> Only if you're stupid.
>>>
>>> That would probably include 85% of the population.
>>>
>>>> Personally, I refuse all the how to vote cards and make up my own mind.
>>>
>>> I don't even go to the polling booths on election day. I always lodge
>>> an absentee vote by mail so I avoid all the dickheads and bullshit,
>>> and have done for years.
>>>
>>> The point remains however, that there would be a fair portion of the
>>> voting public who blindly follow the "how to vote" advice of their
>>> particular candidate without fully appreciating what they're doing in
>>> the process.
>>
>> At the booth that we went to maybe 40-50% were accepting how to vote
>> cards, but a lot of those were accepting several.
>
> That may be so, but I can't say I've ever taken the time to take any
> notice of such things. Some people may take all the cards so as not to
> reveal their allegiance in public but vote along party lines once they
> get up and draw the curtain.
>
> Who knows. The point is that *all* candidates have a preference
> selection that they want you to follow, which is why they hand out the
> cards in the first place, and I would imagine a fair portion of the
> public follow that advice without fully appreciating why they're doing it.
>
>>> Personally I think the preferential voting system has shown itself to
>>> be not all it's cracked up to be, and it's time we reverted to a
>>> first plat the post system like most of the rest of the world uses.
>>> That way we avoid situations like we're seeing now where the party
>>> that polled the most votes doesn't get elected.
>>
>> That doesn't necessarily follow, the composition of the parliament is
>> by electorates not by number of votes, unless each electorate has
>> exactly the same number of voters, there will always be a difference.
>
> I don't see what difference the size of each electorate would make. The
> winner in each one should be the candidate that polled the highest
> number of votes.

I'll make it simple for you, for example you have 5 electorates, 3 of
them have 100,000 voters, the other two have 200,000 voters, party A
wins the first 3, party B wins the other two. Therefor party A wins the
election although party B has more votes. That's the way elections work
in almost every democratic country.

>  The most
>> extreme case is US presidential elections which are first past the
>> post, Clinton way out polled Trump but he won the most valuable
>> electorates.
>
> Fortunately we're not the US.
>
>> There is no easy answer, if you make voting non compulsory for
>> instance, you cut out those who don't give a shit, but then the result
>> is determined by the fanatics. Maybe an IQ test for voter is what is
>> needed.
>
> I think ruling out compulsory voting and having IQ tests for those that
> bother turning up on the day will see the country's fate decided by 10
> people.
>
> The solution, I think, is easier than most people realise. Just have a
> vote for each candidate and drop the preferences. The candidate in each
> electorate with the greatest number of votes is declared the winner
> regardless of whatever the percentage of the vote total that number is,
> and they then go on to take a seat in the house.
>
> True democracy, as opposed to the silly "forced results" we have now.
>
>
>
>

On 23/05/2022 11:22 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 9:32 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 22/05/2022 11:11 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 22/05/2022 10:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 22/05/2022 8:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There needs to be a major change to electoral regulations so a
>>>>> candidate's preferences are *clearly* made known on every bit of
>>>>> advertising they release. So people will clearly know where their
>>>>> vote may possibly end up going (and which may be precisely where
>>>>> they *don't* want it to go).
>>>>
>>>> You put the preferences not them, you can put them any way you want.
>>>
>>> Yes you can, and I always do, but most candidates hand out "how to
>>> vote" pamphlets with people blindly following their preference
>>> "advice" without knowing too much about it other than who they put at
>>> "number 1".
>>>
>>> The numbers they put on the pamphlets aren't random. That's where
>>> they want your preferences to go, but you don't get to find that out
>>> until polling day.
>>
>> Only if you're stupid.
>
>
> 99% of the population must be stupid then
>
>
>> Personally, I refuse all the how to vote cards and make up my own mind.
>>
>
> so you're so knowledgeable about politics that you're well aware of who
> all the candidates are, and their polices, that you have no need to look
> at how to vote cards? congratulations, you're exceptional.
>
You really think that 98% follow how to vote cards? As for knowing the
policies of the various parties, they have been forced down our throats
for the last few months through every form of media, if you don't know
them then you must be deaf blind and dumb.

On 23/05/2022 11:15 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 9:30 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 22/05/2022 10:48 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 22/5/2022 10:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 22/05/2022 8:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 22/05/2022 7:05 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 22/05/2022 4:34 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> will learn that, when they fail us, they lose their job. Easy.
>>>>>>>> It's why Scummo lost his. He failed us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Us, don't you mean you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **ALL of us.
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't speak for anyone but yourself here Trevor. He may have
>>>>> failed you, but there are no doubt others who had no problem with him.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you happen to notice which party received the most primary
>>>>>>> votes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Doesn't matter. That's not how our electoral system works.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it doesn't, and that's a problem. The person/party that gets
>>>>> the most votes doesn't necessarily win. Grouse, huh?
>>>>>
>>>>> There needs to be a major change to electoral regulations so a
>>>>> candidate's preferences are *clearly* made known on every bit of
>>>>> advertising they release. So people will clearly know where their
>>>>> vote may possibly end up going (and which may be precisely where
>>>>> they *don't* want it to go).
>>>>
>>>> You put the preferences not them, you can put them any way you want.
>>>
>>> True but who wants to spend the time working it all out.
>>
>> Then you get the politicians that you deserve, not the ones you need.
>>
>>> Even if a reasonable number of people allocate their own preferences
>>> its not going to make much difference if the majority vote following
>>> a how to vote card.
>>
>> Do they?
>>
>>
>
> yes
>
You have reliable figures on that?

On Mon, 23 May 2022 11:37:15 +1000, Noddy wrote:

> On 23/05/2022 11:16 am, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 22:48:35 UTC+10, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 22/5/2022 10:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>
>>>> You put the preferences not them, you can put them any way you
>>>> want.
>>> True but who wants to spend the time working it all out.
>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
>> Anyone that wants their vote to be allocated
>> *exactly* as they want!. Too many treat voting as something they
>> *have* to do, then grizzle about preference allocation. :(. Only got
>> themselves to blame!.
>
> That *is* the old saying, isn't it? "People get the government they
> deserve".
>
> For the most part I think that's largely true, but then the system is
> stacked in favour of the politicians rather than the people. You're
> compelled to vote by law, then you're handed a card telling you *how* to
> vote, but then your vote may end up electing someone you never wanted to
> see in office in the first place.
>
> In a country where apathy reigns supreme, it is the *perfect* system to
> permit the politicians to control the people....

Great stuff Fraudster! The election results from all of 48 hours ago have
shown precisely the opposite to "apathy" by the voting public. It takes a
special kind of blithering idiot not to recognise that.

alvey

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On 23/05/2022 2:12 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 12:02 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> I don't see what difference the size of each electorate would make.
>> The winner in each one should be the candidate that polled the highest
>> number of votes.
>
> I'll make it simple for you,

I doubt it, but anyway.....

> for example you have 5 electorates, 3 of
> them have 100,000 voters, the other two have 200,000 voters, party A
> wins the first 3, party B wins the other two. Therefor party A wins the
> election although party B has more votes. That's the way elections work
> in almost every democratic country.

Where's the problem there?

Moreover, how is that worse than the system we have now, where in any
electorate if there is no clear winner with better than 50% of the total
vote we keep taking votes away from the lowest ranked candidate in order
and awarding those votes to other candidates in order of preference
until *someone* is pushed over the magical 50.01% line?

It's *artificial*. We're not electing the candidate most people in that
electorate actually want, but the one who gets lucky based on what
number people scribbled on their ballet as an "also ran".

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On 23/05/2022 2:16 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 11:22 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>> so you're so knowledgeable about politics that you're well aware of
>> who all the candidates are, and their polices, that you have no need
>> to look at how to vote cards? congratulations, you're exceptional.
>>
> You really think that 98% follow how to vote cards? As for knowing the
> policies of the various parties, they have been forced down our throats
> for the last few months through every form of media, if you don't know
> them then you must be deaf blind and dumb.

What a ridiculous comment.

So, without picking up party flyer, you know what the policy details for
every party and independent standing at the recent election where, do you?

Amazing.....

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On 23/05/2022 4:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 2:16 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 23/05/2022 11:22 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> so you're so knowledgeable about politics that you're well aware of
>>> who all the candidates are, and their polices, that you have no need
>>> to look at how to vote cards? congratulations, you're exceptional.
>>>
>> You really think that 98% follow how to vote cards? As for knowing the
>> policies of the various parties, they have been forced down our
>> throats for the last few months through every form of media, if you
>> don't know them then you must be deaf blind and dumb.
>
> What a ridiculous comment.
>
> So, without picking up party flyer, you know what the policy details for
> every party and independent standing at the recent election where, do you?
>
> Amazing.....

So the party policies are printed on the how to vote card? As you say
Amazing.

On Mon, 23 May 2022 12:02:01 +1000, Noddy wrote:

snip drivel
>
> True democracy, as opposed to the silly "forced results" we have now.

One time only Fraudster.

There is no ideal voting system. FPTP is flawed in that if party A wins
every electorate with 51% of the vote and party B get 49% in every
electorate then 49% of the population will have zero representation in the
legislative arm of gvt. So a long way from true "democracy" then.

alvey

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On Mon, 23 May 2022 11:22:23 +1000, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> On 23/05/2022 9:32 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 22/05/2022 11:11 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 22/05/2022 10:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 22/05/2022 8:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There needs to be a major change to electoral regulations so a
>>>>> candidate's preferences are *clearly* made known on every bit of
>>>>> advertising they release. So people will clearly know where their
>>>>> vote may possibly end up going (and which may be precisely where
>>>>> they *don't* want it to go).
>>>>
>>>> You put the preferences not them, you can put them any way you want.
>>>
>>> Yes you can, and I always do, but most candidates hand out "how to
>>> vote" pamphlets with people blindly following their preference
>>> "advice" without knowing too much about it other than who they put at
>>> "number 1".
>>>
>>> The numbers they put on the pamphlets aren't random. That's where
>>> they want your preferences to go, but you don't get to find that out
>>> until polling day.
>>
>> Only if you're stupid.
>
> 99% of the population must be stupid then
>
>> Personally, I refuse all the how to vote cards and make up my own mind.
>>
>
> so you're so knowledgeable about politics that you're well aware of who
> all the candidates are, and their polices, that you have no need to look
> at how to vote cards? congratulations, you're exceptional.

Have a read.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2016/11/07/which-party-has-the-most-sheeple-for-voters/

Unsurprising which party had the highest %age of sheep.

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On 23/05/2022 4:11 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 4:06 pm, Noddy wrote:

>>> You really think that 98% follow how to vote cards? As for knowing
>>> the policies of the various parties, they have been forced down our
>>> throats for the last few months through every form of media, if you
>>> don't know them then you must be deaf blind and dumb.
>>
>> What a ridiculous comment.
>>
>> So, without picking up party flyer, you know what the policy details
>> for every party and independent standing at the recent election where,
>> do you?
>>
>> Amazing.....
>
> So the party policies are printed on the how to vote card? As you say
> Amazing.

The party policies are generally handed out *with* the how to vote cards.

Have you ever been to a polling booth on election day? :)

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On 23/5/2022 4:00 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Mon, 23 May 2022 11:37:15 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 23/05/2022 11:16 am, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 22:48:35 UTC+10, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 22/5/2022 10:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>
>>>>> You put the preferences not them, you can put them any way you
>>>>> want.
>>>> True but who wants to spend the time working it all out.
>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
>>> Anyone that wants their vote to be allocated
>>> *exactly* as they want!. Too many treat voting as something they
>>> *have* to do, then grizzle about preference allocation. :(. Only got
>>> themselves to blame!.
>>
>> That *is* the old saying, isn't it? "People get the government they
>> deserve".
>>
>> For the most part I think that's largely true, but then the system is
>> stacked in favour of the politicians rather than the people. You're
>> compelled to vote by law, then you're handed a card telling you *how* to
>> vote, but then your vote may end up electing someone you never wanted to
>> see in office in the first place.
>>
>> In a country where apathy reigns supreme, it is the *perfect* system to
>> permit the politicians to control the people....
>
> Great stuff Fraudster! The election results from all of 48 hours ago have
> shown precisely the opposite to "apathy" by the voting public. It takes a
> special kind of blithering idiot not to recognise that.
>
>
>
> alvey
>
Short answer; the word "apathy" has way too many syllables for Darren to
have even the slightest clue as to its meaning. And he is a special kind
of blithering idiot as well.

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On 23/5/2022 4:03 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 2:12 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 23/05/2022 12:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> I don't see what difference the size of each electorate would make.
>>> The winner in each one should be the candidate that polled the
>>> highest number of votes.
>>
>> I'll make it simple for you,
>
> I doubt it, but anyway.....

I doubt it too. You're so stupid that it's practically impossible to
simplify it to the point where *you* have any hope of understanding it.
>
>> for example you have 5 electorates, 3 of them have 100,000 voters, the
>> other two have 200,000 voters, party A wins the first 3, party B wins
>> the other two. Therefor party A wins the election although party B has
>> more votes. That's the way elections work in almost every democratic
>> country.
>
> Where's the problem there?
>
> Moreover, how is that worse than the system we have now, where in any
> electorate if there is no clear winner with better than 50% of the total
> vote we keep taking votes away from the lowest ranked candidate in order
> and awarding those votes to other candidates in order of preference
> until *someone* is pushed over the magical 50.01% line?
>
> It's *artificial*. We're not electing the candidate most people in that
> electorate actually want, but the one who gets lucky based on what
> number people scribbled on their ballet as an "also ran".
>
I rest my case!

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On 23/5/2022 4:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 2:16 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 23/05/2022 11:22 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> so you're so knowledgeable about politics that you're well aware of
>>> who all the candidates are, and their polices, that you have no need
>>> to look at how to vote cards? congratulations, you're exceptional.
>>>
>> You really think that 98% follow how to vote cards? As for knowing the
>> policies of the various parties, they have been forced down our
>> throats for the last few months through every form of media, if you
>> don't know them then you must be deaf blind and dumb.
>
> What a ridiculous comment.
>
> So, without picking up party flyer, you know what the policy details for
> every party and independent standing at the recent election where, do you?
>
> Amazing.....

What is amazing is that *you* need a party flyer to work out what a
political party is all about. That is sad, so sad.
What's more, in these times of the internet and other alternate sources
of media, it is strikingly easy to find out every detail about a party's
policies. See below.
>
https://greens.org.au/platform

https://www.alp.org.au/policies

https://www.liberal.org.au/our-plan

https://nationals.org.au/policies/

https://www.unitedaustraliaparty.org.au/national_policy/

https://www.onenation.org.au/issues

https://lambienetwork.com.au/pages/aboutjln

You're an idiot Darren, you truly are!
You are the perfect justification for IQ tests before voting.

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On 23/05/2022 4:37 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 4:11 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 23/05/2022 4:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>> You really think that 98% follow how to vote cards? As for knowing
>>>> the policies of the various parties, they have been forced down our
>>>> throats for the last few months through every form of media, if you
>>>> don't know them then you must be deaf blind and dumb.
>>>
>>> What a ridiculous comment.
>>>
>>> So, without picking up party flyer, you know what the policy details
>>> for every party and independent standing at the recent election
>>> where, do you?
>>>
>>> Amazing.....
>>
>> So the party policies are printed on the how to vote card? As you say
>> Amazing.
>
> The party policies are generally handed out *with* the how to vote cards.
>
> Have you ever been to a polling booth on election day? :)

More than you, it would appear, I haven't done a postal vote for years.
At the booth that I went to to do an early vote, they were handing out
how to vote card not party manifestos. Anyway, it's a bit late in the
day to try and get your ideas across right at the booth, that job has
already been done with saturation coverage across all the media, and the
tons of dead tree material dropped in letterboxes.

On 23/05/2022 12:07 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 23/5/2022 11:13 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 23/05/2022 10:06 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 23/05/2022 9:32 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 22/05/2022 11:11 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 22/05/2022 10:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 22/05/2022 8:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There needs to be a major change to electoral regulations so a
>>>>>>> candidate's preferences are *clearly* made known on every bit of
>>>>>>> advertising they release. So people will clearly know where
>>>>>>> their vote may possibly end up going (and which may be precisely
>>>>>>> where they *don't* want it to go).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You put the preferences not them, you can put them any way you want.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes you can, and I always do, but most candidates hand out "how to
>>>>> vote" pamphlets with people blindly following their preference
>>>>> "advice" without knowing too much about it other than who they put
>>>>> at "number 1".
>>>>>
>>>>> The numbers they put on the pamphlets aren't random. That's where
>>>>> they want your preferences to go, but you don't get to find that
>>>>> out until polling day.
>>>>
>>>> Only if you're stupid.
>>>
>>> That would probably include 85% of the population.
>>>
>>>> Personally, I refuse all the how to vote cards and make up my own
>>>> mind.
>>>
>>> I don't even go to the polling booths on election day. I always
>>> lodge an absentee vote by mail so I avoid all the dickheads and
>>> bullshit, and have done for years.
>>>
>>> The point remains however, that there would be a fair portion of the
>>> voting public who blindly follow the "how to vote" advice of their
>>> particular candidate without fully appreciating what they're doing
>>> in the process.
>>
>> At the booth that we went to maybe 40-50% were accepting how to vote
>> cards, but a lot of those were accepting several.
>>
>>> Personally I think the preferential voting system has shown itself
>>> to be not all it's cracked up to be, and it's time we reverted to a
>>> first plat the post system like most of the rest of the world uses.
>>> That way we avoid situations like we're seeing now where the party
>>> that polled the most votes doesn't get elected.
>>
>> That doesn't necessarily follow, the composition of the parliament is
>> by electorates not by number of votes, unless each electorate has
>> exactly the same number of voters, there will always be a difference.
>> The most extreme case is US presidential elections which are first
>> past the post, Clinton way out polled Trump but he won the most
>> valuable electorates.
>>
>> There is no easy answer, if you make voting non compulsory for
>> instance, you cut out those who don't give a shit, but then the
>> result is determined by the fanatics. Maybe an IQ test for voter is
>> what is needed.
>>
> You mean Darren would lose his voting rights?
>

LOL

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On 23/5/2022 4:11 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 4:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 23/05/2022 2:16 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 23/05/2022 11:22 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>>> so you're so knowledgeable about politics that you're well aware of
>>>> who all the candidates are, and their polices, that you have no need
>>>> to look at how to vote cards? congratulations, you're exceptional.
>>>>
>>> You really think that 98% follow how to vote cards? As for knowing
>>> the policies of the various parties, they have been forced down our
>>> throats for the last few months through every form of media, if you
>>> don't know them then you must be deaf blind and dumb.
>>
>> What a ridiculous comment.
>>
>> So, without picking up party flyer, you know what the policy details
>> for every party and independent standing at the recent election where,
>> do you?
>>
>> Amazing.....
>
> So the party policies are printed on the how to vote card? As you say
> Amazing.
>
Bring in an IQ test for electors, if nothing else it will stop Darren
the moron voting.

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On 23/05/2022 12:12 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 23/5/2022 12:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 23/05/2022 11:13 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 23/05/2022 10:06 am, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>>>> The numbers they put on the pamphlets aren't random. That's where
>>>>>> they want your preferences to go, but you don't get to find that
>>>>>> out until polling day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only if you're stupid.
>>>>
>>>> That would probably include 85% of the population.
>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I refuse all the how to vote cards and make up my own
>>>>> mind.
>>>>
>>>> I don't even go to the polling booths on election day. I always
>>>> lodge an absentee vote by mail so I avoid all the dickheads and
>>>> bullshit, and have done for years.
>>>>
>>>> The point remains however, that there would be a fair portion of
>>>> the voting public who blindly follow the "how to vote" advice of
>>>> their particular candidate without fully appreciating what they're
>>>> doing in the process.
>>>
>>> At the booth that we went to maybe 40-50% were accepting how to vote
>>> cards, but a lot of those were accepting several.
>>
>> That may be so, but I can't say I've ever taken the time to take any
>> notice of such things. Some people may take all the cards so as not
>> to reveal their allegiance in public but vote along party lines once
>> they get up and draw the curtain.
>
> HTF do you know that if, as you say, they *draw the curtain*. You, as
> always, are making huge assumptions.

yep. he does it a lot then treats them as fact

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On 23/5/2022 4:37 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 4:11 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 23/05/2022 4:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>> You really think that 98% follow how to vote cards? As for knowing
>>>> the policies of the various parties, they have been forced down our
>>>> throats for the last few months through every form of media, if you
>>>> don't know them then you must be deaf blind and dumb.
>>>
>>> What a ridiculous comment.
>>>
>>> So, without picking up party flyer, you know what the policy details
>>> for every party and independent standing at the recent election
>>> where, do you?
>>>
>>> Amazing.....
>>
>> So the party policies are printed on the how to vote card? As you say
>> Amazing.
>
> The party policies are generally handed out *with* the how to vote cards.
>
> Have you ever been to a polling booth on election day? :)
>
Hey Darren, if you're only reading party policy at the polling booth on
election day, you're way too late to the party.

Anyway, those policies would have to be brief enough to fit on a *flyer*
and *simple* enough for you to comprehend them! Good luck with that!
>
>

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On 23/05/2022 2:16 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 11:22 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 23/05/2022 9:32 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 22/05/2022 11:11 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 22/05/2022 10:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 22/05/2022 8:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There needs to be a major change to electoral regulations so a
>>>>>> candidate's preferences are *clearly* made known on every bit of
>>>>>> advertising they release. So people will clearly know where their
>>>>>> vote may possibly end up going (and which may be precisely where
>>>>>> they *don't* want it to go).
>>>>>
>>>>> You put the preferences not them, you can put them any way you want.
>>>>
>>>> Yes you can, and I always do, but most candidates hand out "how to
>>>> vote" pamphlets with people blindly following their preference
>>>> "advice" without knowing too much about it other than who they put
>>>> at "number 1".
>>>>
>>>> The numbers they put on the pamphlets aren't random. That's where
>>>> they want your preferences to go, but you don't get to find that
>>>> out until polling day.
>>>
>>> Only if you're stupid.
>>
>>
>> 99% of the population must be stupid then
>>
>>
>>> Personally, I refuse all the how to vote cards and make up my own mind.
>>>
>>
>> so you're so knowledgeable about politics that you're well aware of
>> who all the candidates are, and their polices, that you have no need
>> to look at how to vote cards? congratulations, you're exceptional.
>>
> You really think that 98% follow how to vote cards?

most ppl do

> As for knowing the policies of the various parties, they have been
> forced down our throats for the last few months through every form of
> media, if you don't know them then you must be deaf blind and dumb.

in my electorate there were 9 candidates for the Reps and God knows how
many for the Senate. of all of those the only ones I'd heard of via
advertising were the Libs, Labor, and UAP, and it would have been
similar in your electorate. so to even suggest that you knew all the
candidates AND their policies, is beyond ridiculous.

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On 23/05/2022 5:13 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 4:37 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 23/05/2022 4:11 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 23/05/2022 4:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>>> You really think that 98% follow how to vote cards? As for knowing
>>>>> the policies of the various parties, they have been forced down
>>>>> our throats for the last few months through every form of media,
>>>>> if you don't know them then you must be deaf blind and dumb.
>>>>
>>>> What a ridiculous comment.
>>>>
>>>> So, without picking up party flyer, you know what the policy
>>>> details for every party and independent standing at the recent
>>>> election where, do you?
>>>>
>>>> Amazing.....
>>>
>>> So the party policies are printed on the how to vote card? As you
>>> say Amazing.
>>
>> The party policies are generally handed out *with* the how to vote
>> cards.
>>
>> Have you ever been to a polling booth on election day? :)
>
> More than you, it would appear, I haven't done a postal vote for
> years. At the booth that I went to to do an early vote, they were
> handing out how to vote card not party manifestos. Anyway, it's a bit
> late in the day to try and get your ideas across right at the booth,
> that job has already been done with saturation coverage across all the
> media, and the tons of dead tree material dropped in letterboxes.
>

any advertising only gives their main policies not all their policies in
detail

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On 23/05/2022 5:41 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 2:16 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 23/05/2022 11:22 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 23/05/2022 9:32 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 22/05/2022 11:11 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 22/05/2022 10:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 22/05/2022 8:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There needs to be a major change to electoral regulations so a
>>>>>>> candidate's preferences are *clearly* made known on every bit of
>>>>>>> advertising they release. So people will clearly know where their
>>>>>>> vote may possibly end up going (and which may be precisely where
>>>>>>> they *don't* want it to go).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You put the preferences not them, you can put them any way you want.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes you can, and I always do, but most candidates hand out "how to
>>>>> vote" pamphlets with people blindly following their preference
>>>>> "advice" without knowing too much about it other than who they put
>>>>> at "number 1".
>>>>>
>>>>> The numbers they put on the pamphlets aren't random. That's where
>>>>> they want your preferences to go, but you don't get to find that
>>>>> out until polling day.
>>>>
>>>> Only if you're stupid.
>>>
>>>
>>> 99% of the population must be stupid then
>>>
>>>
>>>> Personally, I refuse all the how to vote cards and make up my own mind.
>>>>
>>>
>>> so you're so knowledgeable about politics that you're well aware of
>>> who all the candidates are, and their polices, that you have no need
>>> to look at how to vote cards? congratulations, you're exceptional.
>>>
>> You really think that 98% follow how to vote cards?
>
>
> most ppl do

Alvey posted this:
https://www.crikey.com.au/2016/11/07/which-party-has-the-most-sheeple-for-voters/

It says:

Following the Senate order a party prefers requires voters to pick up
and follow that party’s HTV card, something 27.43% of those who voted
for the Coalition as their first preference did. Labor voters were much
more independent minded — 12.68% followed the ALP’s how-to-vote card.
And just 9.41% of Greens voters followed the party’s directions. The
figures for minor parties were uniformly lower again.

>> As for knowing the policies of the various parties, they have been
>> forced down our throats for the last few months through every form of
>> media, if you don't know them then you must be deaf blind and dumb.
>
>
> in my electorate there were 9 candidates for the Reps and God knows how
> many for the Senate. of all of those the only ones I'd heard of via
> advertising were the Libs, Labor, and UAP, and it would have been
> similar in your electorate. so to even suggest that you knew all the
> candidates AND their policies, is beyond ridiculous.

If that taxed your brain, heaven help you if you had to make a really
difficult decision.

On 23/5/2022 5:43 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 5:13 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 23/05/2022 4:37 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 23/05/2022 4:11 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 23/05/2022 4:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> You really think that 98% follow how to vote cards? As for knowing
>>>>>> the policies of the various parties, they have been forced down
>>>>>> our throats for the last few months through every form of media,
>>>>>> if you don't know them then you must be deaf blind and dumb.
>>>>>
>>>>> What a ridiculous comment.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, without picking up party flyer, you know what the policy
>>>>> details for every party and independent standing at the recent
>>>>> election where, do you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Amazing.....
>>>>
>>>> So the party policies are printed on the how to vote card? As you
>>>> say Amazing.
>>>
>>> The party policies are generally handed out *with* the how to vote
>>> cards.
>>>
>>> Have you ever been to a polling booth on election day? :)
>>
>> More than you, it would appear, I haven't done a postal vote for
>> years. At the booth that I went to to do an early vote, they were
>> handing out how to vote card not party manifestos. Anyway, it's a bit
>> late in the day to try and get your ideas across right at the booth,
>> that job has already been done with saturation coverage across all the
>> media, and the tons of dead tree material dropped in letterboxes.
>>
>
> any advertising only gives their main policies not all their policies in
> detail
>
That's why the *thinking voter* goes to the respective websites for the
parties of interest. The pro-active voter goes down to his favoured
party's electoral offices and gets the guff first hand and, whilst
there, airs any differences/doubts/concerns they may have.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 23/05/2022 5:50 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 5:41 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 23/05/2022 2:16 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 23/05/2022 11:22 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 23/05/2022 9:32 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 22/05/2022 11:11 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> On 22/05/2022 10:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 22/05/2022 8:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There needs to be a major change to electoral regulations so a
>>>>>>>> candidate's preferences are *clearly* made known on every bit
>>>>>>>> of advertising they release. So people will clearly know where
>>>>>>>> their vote may possibly end up going (and which may be
>>>>>>>> precisely where they *don't* want it to go).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You put the preferences not them, you can put them any way you
>>>>>>> want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes you can, and I always do, but most candidates hand out "how
>>>>>> to vote" pamphlets with people blindly following their preference
>>>>>> "advice" without knowing too much about it other than who they
>>>>>> put at "number 1".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The numbers they put on the pamphlets aren't random. That's where
>>>>>> they want your preferences to go, but you don't get to find that
>>>>>> out until polling day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only if you're stupid.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 99% of the population must be stupid then
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I refuse all the how to vote cards and make up my own
>>>>> mind.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> so you're so knowledgeable about politics that you're well aware of
>>>> who all the candidates are, and their polices, that you have no
>>>> need to look at how to vote cards? congratulations, you're
>>>> exceptional.
>>>>
>>> You really think that 98% follow how to vote cards?
>>
>>
>> most ppl do
>
> Alvey posted this:
> https://www.crikey.com.au/2016/11/07/which-party-has-the-most-sheeple-for-voters/
>
>
> It says:
>
>  Following the Senate order a party prefers requires voters to pick up
> and follow that party’s HTV card, something 27.43% of those who voted
> for the Coalition as their first preference did. Labor voters were
> much more independent minded — 12.68% followed the ALP’s how-to-vote
> card. And just 9.41% of Greens voters followed the party’s directions.
> The figures for minor parties were uniformly lower again.
>
>
>>> As for knowing the policies of the various parties, they have been
>>> forced down our throats for the last few months through every form
>>> of media, if you don't know them then you must be deaf blind and dumb.
>>
>>
>> in my electorate there were 9 candidates for the Reps and God knows
>> how many for the Senate. of all of those the only ones I'd heard of
>> via advertising were the Libs, Labor, and UAP, and it would have been
>> similar in your electorate. so to even suggest that you knew all the
>> candidates AND their policies, is beyond ridiculous.
>
> If that taxed your brain, heaven help you if you had to make a really
> difficult decision.
>

so then, tell us who ALL the candidates in your electorate were and what
ALL their policies were without googling. I'll wait with bated breath..

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FUCK PUTIN!!

On 23/05/2022 5:13 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 4:37 pm, Noddy wrote:

>>>>
>>>> So, without picking up party flyer, you know what the policy details
>>>> for every party and independent standing at the recent election
>>>> where, do you?
>>>>
>>>> Amazing.....
>>>
>>> So the party policies are printed on the how to vote card? As you say
>>> Amazing.
>>
>> The party policies are generally handed out *with* the how to vote cards.
>>
>> Have you ever been to a polling booth on election day? :)
>
> More than you, it would appear, I haven't done a postal vote for years.

Good for you. As I mentioned, *not* going to the polling booth and
having to stand in line with a bunch of munts is my preferred method of
voting.

> At the booth that I went to to do an early vote, they were handing out
> how to vote card not party manifestos. Anyway, it's a bit late in the
> day to try and get your ideas across right at the booth, that job has
> already been done with saturation coverage across all the media, and the
> tons of dead tree material dropped in letterboxes.

That's all nice and dandy there Keith, but as usual you have completely
avoided answering the question by asking one of your own and steering
the conversation off into another irrelevant direction.

You made the claim earlier in reply to Felix where you stated that "As
for knowing the policies of the various parties, they have been forced
down our throats for the last few months through every form of media, if
you don't know them then you must be deaf blind and dumb."

In reply to that I asked if you knew the policy details of every party
and independent, and of course you wandered off with your irrelevant
question in reply.

So *again* I ask you. Without picking up a flyer from one of the
candidates, were you aware of the policies of every party or independent
standing for the recent election as you seemed to indicate with your
earlier statement?

For the record, I'm a regular newspaper reader and watch the nightly
news, and apart from the Labour and Liberal party ads, and the repeated
bullshit from the UAP, I never saw jack shit about anyone else and think
your claim of people not knowing must be "deaf, blind and dumb" to be a
completely nonsensical.

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 23/05/2022 5:50 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 5:41 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 23/05/2022 2:16 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 23/05/2022 11:22 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 23/05/2022 9:32 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 22/05/2022 11:11 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> On 22/05/2022 10:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 22/05/2022 8:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There needs to be a major change to electoral regulations so a
>>>>>>>> candidate's preferences are *clearly* made known on every bit of
>>>>>>>> advertising they release. So people will clearly know where
>>>>>>>> their vote may possibly end up going (and which may be precisely
>>>>>>>> where they *don't* want it to go).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You put the preferences not them, you can put them any way you want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes you can, and I always do, but most candidates hand out "how to
>>>>>> vote" pamphlets with people blindly following their preference
>>>>>> "advice" without knowing too much about it other than who they put
>>>>>> at "number 1".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The numbers they put on the pamphlets aren't random. That's where
>>>>>> they want your preferences to go, but you don't get to find that
>>>>>> out until polling day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only if you're stupid.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 99% of the population must be stupid then
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I refuse all the how to vote cards and make up my own
>>>>> mind.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> so you're so knowledgeable about politics that you're well aware of
>>>> who all the candidates are, and their polices, that you have no need
>>>> to look at how to vote cards? congratulations, you're exceptional.
>>>>
>>> You really think that 98% follow how to vote cards?
>>
>>
>> most ppl do
>
> Alvey posted this:
> https://www.crikey.com.au/2016/11/07/which-party-has-the-most-sheeple-for-voters/

ROTFL :) Crikey. The last great bastion of truth in journalism started
by a former failed Liberal candidate who went on a Liberal hatred
campaign and has been ever since.

Hahahahaha :)

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest that a clueless fuckstick like
Alvey would be a follower :)

> It says:
>
>  Following the Senate order a party prefers requires voters to pick up
> and follow that party’s HTV card, something 27.43% of those who voted
> for the Coalition as their first preference did.  Labor voters were much
> more independent minded — 12.68% followed the ALP’s how-to-vote card.
> And just 9.41% of Greens voters followed the party’s directions. The
> figures for minor parties were uniformly lower again.

Actually what it says is that they used their own "speshul calculating
program" to come up with figures that mean nothing to anyone.

Wow.

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Noddy.