https://greens.org.au/platform

Here's our plan: We will tax the billionaires & big corporations, and
provide the things we all need for a better life. Treaty. Replacing coal
and gas with 100% renewables. Dental and mental healthcare covered under
Medicare. Wiping student debt and free education for all. Affordable
housing. Secure, well paid jobs. An end to all forms of discrimination...

anything else? lots. such as.. attack the Banks! they make money so tax
them some more! "The Greens will increase the major bank levy from 0.06%
of their loan book to 0.20% of their loan book. The Greens will break-up
the banks so that they can no longer cross-sell their own products".
and.. "Implement a 40% super profits on big corporations".  Oh, and no
coal, oil, or gas any more. and.. so on it goes. I won't provide links,
you can get all the details of their lunacy on their website under the
various subsections. It's idealistic nonsense funded by taxing any money
making enterprise out of existence. They would turn Australia into an
economic backwater, send entrepreneurs and corporations offshore in
droves, and lower the living standards of us all.

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On 29/05/2022 3:09 pm, alvey wrote:
>
> There must be an aus.politics or somesuch...
>
>
Serves a useful purpose, it and aus.legal corral a good proportion of
the loonies on the Australian area of Usenet.

On Sun, 29 May 2022 15:45:06 +1000, keithr0 wrote:

> On 29/05/2022 3:09 pm, alvey wrote:
>>
>> There must be an aus.politics or somesuch...
>>
> Serves a useful purpose, it and aus.legal corral a good proportion of
> the loonies on the Australian area of Usenet.

Ayup. I was down at Kings for a couple of hours of lunch today and there
was what looked like a Wirraway and a couple of similar size (and vintage)
things flying about. The 'Wirraway' put on quite an extended aerobatics
performance right in front of the beach, getting down to about 40 mtrs
above the water. Was/is there an airshow on somewhere?

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On 29/05/2022 3:09 pm, alvey wrote:
> There must be an aus.politics or somesuch...
>
>

well there's been so much political discussion here I thought I'd put my
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On 29/05/2022 4:29 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Sun, 29 May 2022 15:45:06 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>
>> On 29/05/2022 3:09 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>
>>> There must be an aus.politics or somesuch...
>>>
>> Serves a useful purpose, it and aus.legal corral a good proportion of
>> the loonies on the Australian area of Usenet.
>
> Ayup. I was down at Kings for a couple of hours of lunch today and there
> was what looked like a Wirraway and a couple of similar size (and vintage)
> things flying about. The 'Wirraway' put on quite an extended aerobatics
> performance right in front of the beach, getting down to about 40 mtrs
> above the water. Was/is there an airshow on somewhere?
>
Hardly likely to be a Wirraway, there are none on the Australian civil
register. Probably a Harvard, there is at least one at Caloundra.
Aerobatics at 40 metres just off the beach doesn't sound in the least
bit legal, CASA would be interested.

On 29/05/2022 7:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 29/05/2022 4:29 pm, alvey wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 15:45:06 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>
>>> On 29/05/2022 3:09 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There must be an aus.politics or somesuch...
>>>>
>>> Serves a useful purpose, it and aus.legal corral a good proportion of
>>> the loonies on the Australian area of Usenet.
>>
>> Ayup. I was down at Kings for a couple of hours of lunch today and there
>> was what looked like a Wirraway and a couple of similar size (and
>> vintage)
>> things flying about. The 'Wirraway' put on quite an extended aerobatics
>> performance right in front of the beach, getting down to about 40 mtrs
>> above the water. Was/is there an airshow on somewhere?
>>
> Hardly likely to be a Wirraway, there are none on the Australian civil
> register. Probably a Harvard, there is at least one at Caloundra.
> Aerobatics at 40 metres just off the beach doesn't sound in the least
> bit legal, CASA would be interested.

They certainly would be.

It was probably a R/C model and Alvey, being the brainless wanker that
he is, can't tell the difference. Remember, this is the moron who can't
tell the difference between a switch and a light on the dash of his own
car....

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On 29/5/2022 7:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 29/05/2022 4:29 pm, alvey wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 15:45:06 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>
>>> On 29/05/2022 3:09 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There must be an aus.politics or somesuch...
>>>>
>>> Serves a useful purpose, it and aus.legal corral a good proportion of
>>> the loonies on the Australian area of Usenet.
>>
>> Ayup. I was down at Kings for a couple of hours of lunch today and there
>> was what looked like a Wirraway and a couple of similar size (and
>> vintage)
>> things flying about. The 'Wirraway' put on quite an extended aerobatics
>> performance right in front of the beach, getting down to about 40 mtrs
>> above the water. Was/is there an airshow on somewhere?
>>
> Hardly likely to be a Wirraway, there are none on the Australian civil
> register. Probably a Harvard, there is at least one at Caloundra.
> Aerobatics at 40 metres just off the beach doesn't sound in the least
> bit legal, CASA would be interested.

I know its not easy for most people to judge how high an aircraft is but
I remember being at a boat ramp near Geelong in Vic about 20yrs ago and
as part of a big festival in Geelong the Roulettes were doing a display,
they came over the top of us in formation very low, certainly at the
time I wouldn't have thought that they were any more than 200ft high.
Being Air Force they most likely have different rules?

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On 29/05/2022 11:00 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 29/5/2022 7:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 29/05/2022 4:29 pm, alvey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 15:45:06 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 29/05/2022 3:09 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There must be an aus.politics or somesuch...
>>>>>
>>>> Serves a useful purpose, it and aus.legal corral a good proportion of
>>>> the loonies on the Australian area of Usenet.
>>>
>>> Ayup. I was down at Kings for a couple of hours of lunch today and there
>>> was what looked like a Wirraway and a couple of similar size (and
>>> vintage)
>>> things flying about. The 'Wirraway' put on quite an extended aerobatics
>>> performance right in front of the beach, getting down to about 40 mtrs
>>> above the water. Was/is there an airshow on somewhere?
>>>
>> Hardly likely to be a Wirraway, there are none on the Australian civil
>> register. Probably a Harvard, there is at least one at Caloundra.
>> Aerobatics at 40 metres just off the beach doesn't sound in the least
>> bit legal, CASA would be interested.
>
>
> I know its not easy for most people to judge how high an aircraft is but
> I remember being at a boat ramp near Geelong in Vic about 20yrs ago and
> as part of a big festival in Geelong the Roulettes were doing a display,
> they came over the top of us in formation very low, certainly at the
> time I wouldn't have thought that they were any more than 200ft high.
> Being Air Force they most likely have different rules?

In their designated areas, they cab do what they like, but not at public
displays. I've seen a Hawker Hunter looped from 50' but that was on
government property and flown by a test pilot.

On Sun, 29 May 2022 22:29:31 +1000, Noddy wrote:

> On 29/05/2022 7:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 29/05/2022 4:29 pm, alvey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 15:45:06 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 29/05/2022 3:09 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There must be an aus.politics or somesuch...
>>>>>
>>>> Serves a useful purpose, it and aus.legal corral a good proportion of
>>>> the loonies on the Australian area of Usenet.
>>>
>>> Ayup. I was down at Kings for a couple of hours of lunch today and there
>>> was what looked like a Wirraway and a couple of similar size (and
>>> vintage)
>>> things flying about. The 'Wirraway' put on quite an extended aerobatics
>>> performance right in front of the beach, getting down to about 40 mtrs
>>> above the water. Was/is there an airshow on somewhere?
>>>
>> Hardly likely to be a Wirraway, there are none on the Australian civil
>> register. Probably a Harvard, there is at least one at Caloundra.
>> Aerobatics at 40 metres just off the beach doesn't sound in the least
>> bit legal, CASA would be interested.
>
> They certainly would be.
>
> It was probably a R/C model and Alvey, being the brainless wanker that
> he is, can't tell the difference. Remember, this is the moron who can't
> tell the difference between a switch and a light on the dash of his own
> car....

Once again Fraudster hilariously fails to recognise the irony of him
accusing someone of being unable distinguish real from pretend.

alvey
“Thanks for sharing that, but I presume the only reason you did is
because your killfile has made you feel a bit redundant.’ Fraudster,
14Feb16

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On Mon, 30 May 2022 01:11:09 +1000, keithr0 wrote:

> On 29/05/2022 11:00 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 29/5/2022 7:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 29/05/2022 4:29 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 15:45:06 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 29/05/2022 3:09 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There must be an aus.politics or somesuch...
>>>>>>
>>>>> Serves a useful purpose, it and aus.legal corral a good proportion of
>>>>> the loonies on the Australian area of Usenet.
>>>>
>>>> Ayup. I was down at Kings for a couple of hours of lunch today and there
>>>> was what looked like a Wirraway and a couple of similar size (and
>>>> vintage)
>>>> things flying about. The 'Wirraway' put on quite an extended aerobatics
>>>> performance right in front of the beach, getting down to about 40 mtrs
>>>> above the water. Was/is there an airshow on somewhere?
>>>>
>>> Hardly likely to be a Wirraway, there are none on the Australian civil
>>> register. Probably a Harvard, there is at least one at Caloundra.
>>> Aerobatics at 40 metres just off the beach doesn't sound in the least
>>> bit legal, CASA would be interested.
>>
>> I know its not easy for most people to judge how high an aircraft is but
>> I remember being at a boat ramp near Geelong in Vic about 20yrs ago and
>> as part of a big festival in Geelong the Roulettes were doing a display,
>> they came over the top of us in formation very low, certainly at the
>> time I wouldn't have thought that they were any more than 200ft high.
>> Being Air Force they most likely have different rules?
>
> In their designated areas, they cab do what they like, but not at public
> displays. I've seen a Hawker Hunter looped from 50' but that was on
> government property and flown by a test pilot.

Do you know the Surf club at Sunshine Beach? (The first beach south of
Noosa national park). Anyhoo, I was out on the superb outside deck there
one fine day and a pair of RAAF fighter jets (nfi what) in close formation
made two passes just beyond the surfline. Both times they were *below* us.
A tad surreal is looking down on flying warplanes.

alvey

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On Sun, 29 May 2022 17:45:58 +1000, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> On 29/05/2022 3:09 pm, alvey wrote:
>> There must be an aus.politics or somesuch...
>>
>>
>
> well there's been so much political discussion here I thought I'd put my
> 2c's worth in

Hint: 2c coins haven't been produced for about 30 years now.

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On Sun, 29 May 2022 12:28:28 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
wrote:

>
>https://greens.org.au/platform
>
>Here's our plan: We will tax the billionaires & big corporations, and
>provide the things we all need for a better life. Treaty. Replacing coal
>and gas with 100% renewables. Dental and mental healthcare covered under
>Medicare. Wiping student debt and free education for all. Affordable
>housing. Secure, well paid jobs. An end to all forms of discrimination...

They're raising the trees & critters to God-like status.
It will boil down to economics eventually.

France uses nuclear power for about 80% of its energy.

On 29/05/2022 7:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 29/05/2022 4:29 pm, alvey wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 15:45:06 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>
>>> On 29/05/2022 3:09 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There must be an aus.politics or somesuch...
>>>>
>>> Serves a useful purpose, it and aus.legal corral a good proportion of
>>> the loonies on the Australian area of Usenet.
>>
>> Ayup. I was down at Kings for a couple of hours of lunch today and there
>> was what looked like a Wirraway and a couple of similar size (and
>> vintage)
>> things flying about. The 'Wirraway' put on quite an extended aerobatics
>> performance right in front of the beach, getting down to about 40 mtrs
>> above the water. Was/is there an airshow on somewhere?
>>
> Hardly likely to be a Wirraway, there are none on the Australian civil
> register. Probably a Harvard, there is at least one at Caloundra.
> Aerobatics at 40 metres just off the beach doesn't sound in the least
> bit legal, CASA would be interested.

Apologies, there are in fact 3 registered Wirraways, one at Point Cook
owned by the RAAF, one at QAM (although registered, it hasn't flown for
at least 6 years), but there is one based at Caboolture which you can
even fly in ($500 for 20 minutes). So it is possible although unlikely
that you saw the Caboolture example, but still the aerobatics that you
describe would be somewhat illegal.

On 30/05/2022 5:53 am, alvey wrote:
> On Sun, 29 May 2022 17:45:58 +1000, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> On 29/05/2022 3:09 pm, alvey wrote:
>>> There must be an aus.politics or somesuch...
>>>
>>>
>> well there's been so much political discussion here I thought I'd put my
>> 2c's worth in
> Hint: 2c coins haven't been produced for about 30 years now.
>

well 5c worth then, pedant

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On 30/05/2022 7:33 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Sun, 29 May 2022 12:28:28 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>> https://greens.org.au/platform
>>
>> Here's our plan: We will tax the billionaires & big corporations, and
>> provide the things we all need for a better life. Treaty. Replacing coal
>> and gas with 100% renewables. Dental and mental healthcare covered under
>> Medicare. Wiping student debt and free education for all. Affordable
>> housing. Secure, well paid jobs. An end to all forms of discrimination...
> They're raising the trees & critters to God-like status.
> It will boil down to economics eventually.

yes if they ever get the chance to implement their craziness (God
forbid) it will all go to hell in a hand basket as the realities step in

>
> France uses nuclear power for about 80% of its energy.

those horrible ugly wind towers ruin lovely countryside

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On 30/05/2022 4:16 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 30/05/2022 7:33 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 12:28:28 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> https://greens.org.au/platform
>>>
>>> Here's our plan: We will tax the billionaires & big corporations, and
>>> provide the things we all need for a better life. Treaty. Replacing coal
>>> and gas with 100% renewables. Dental and mental healthcare covered under
>>> Medicare. Wiping student debt and free education for all. Affordable
>>> housing. Secure, well paid jobs. An end to all forms of
>>> discrimination...
>> They're raising the trees & critters to God-like status.
>> It will boil down to economics eventually.
>
>
> yes if they ever get the chance to implement their craziness (God
> forbid) it will all go to hell in a hand basket as the realities step in
>
>
>>
>> France uses nuclear power for about 80% of its energy.
>
>
> those horrible ugly wind towers ruin lovely countryside
>
>
OTOH they cost a small fraction of the cost of a nuclear power station
to build, cost next to nothing to run, and don't produce radioactive waste.

On Mon, 30 May 2022 16:16:29 +1000, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>
> those horrible ugly wind towers ruin lovely countryside

There's an easy fix for that. Put 'em in Bumhole (Vic)...

alvey

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On Tue, 31 May 2022 05:44:31 +1000, alvey <alvey@is.invalid> wrote:

>On Mon, 30 May 2022 16:16:29 +1000, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>
>>
>> those horrible ugly wind towers ruin lovely countryside
>
>There's an easy fix for that. Put 'em in Bumhole (Vic)...

How rude! Tasmania would be a better choice, or King island, or some
Abbo "sacred" site.
>
>
>
>alvey

On Mon, 30 May 2022 17:39:18 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
wrote:

>On 30/05/2022 4:16 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 30/05/2022 7:33 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 12:28:28 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://greens.org.au/platform
>>>>
>>>> Here's our plan: We will tax the billionaires & big corporations, and
>>>> provide the things we all need for a better life. Treaty. Replacing coal
>>>> and gas with 100% renewables. Dental and mental healthcare covered under
>>>> Medicare. Wiping student debt and free education for all. Affordable
>>>> housing. Secure, well paid jobs. An end to all forms of
>>>> discrimination...
>>> They're raising the trees & critters to God-like status.
>>> It will boil down to economics eventually.
>>
>>
>> yes if they ever get the chance to implement their craziness (God
>> forbid) it will all go to hell in a hand basket as the realities step in
>>
>>
>>>
>>> France uses nuclear power for about 80% of its energy.
>>
>>
>> those horrible ugly wind towers ruin lovely countryside
>>
>>
>OTOH they cost a small fraction of the cost of a nuclear power station
>to build, cost next to nothing to run, and don't produce radioactive waste.

But the wind is very variable, and the sun shines least when the need
is greatest.

On 31/05/2022 7:27 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Mon, 30 May 2022 17:39:18 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 30/05/2022 4:16 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 30/05/2022 7:33 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 12:28:28 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://greens.org.au/platform
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's our plan: We will tax the billionaires & big corporations, and
>>>>> provide the things we all need for a better life. Treaty. Replacing coal
>>>>> and gas with 100% renewables. Dental and mental healthcare covered under
>>>>> Medicare. Wiping student debt and free education for all. Affordable
>>>>> housing. Secure, well paid jobs. An end to all forms of
>>>>> discrimination...
>>>> They're raising the trees & critters to God-like status.
>>>> It will boil down to economics eventually.
>>>
>>>
>>> yes if they ever get the chance to implement their craziness (God
>>> forbid) it will all go to hell in a hand basket as the realities step in
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> France uses nuclear power for about 80% of its energy.
>>>
>>>
>>> those horrible ugly wind towers ruin lovely countryside
>>>
>>>
>> OTOH they cost a small fraction of the cost of a nuclear power station
>> to build, cost next to nothing to run, and don't produce radioactive waste.
>
> But the wind is very variable, and the sun shines least when the need
> is greatest.

**Wrong. Most electricity is used during daylight hours. In any case,
storage system are rapidly being implemented across the nation and thus
fluctuations are able to be smoothed.

On 30/05/2022 5:39 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 30/05/2022 4:16 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>> those horrible ugly wind towers ruin lovely countryside
>>
>>
> OTOH they cost a small fraction of the cost of a nuclear power station
> to build, cost next to nothing to run, and don't produce radioactive waste.

There is that, and to be quite honest I couldn't give a fuck about the
effect they have on the landscape. The Yaloak South wind farm is around
20km's South West of me and I can clearly see the generators spinning
away from my kitchen window. I think they look kind of cool, and they're
an enormously impressive thing to see when you're driving along the road
right beside them.

However in having said that I would have no opposition whatsoever in
building a nuclear power plant or 7, and given that we have one of the
worlds largest (if not *the* largest) natural reserves of Uranium at our
disposal combined with more than enough uninhabited space to comfortably
and safely bury the next 10,000 years worth of radioactive waste I think
we need to have our heads examined for *not* taking advantage of the
somewhat unique situation we find ourselves in and using Nuclear power
to solve our power generation problems.

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On Tue, 31 May 2022 10:43:52 +1000, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:

>On 30/05/2022 5:39 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 30/05/2022 4:16 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> those horrible ugly wind towers ruin lovely countryside
>>>
>>>
>> OTOH they cost a small fraction of the cost of a nuclear power station
>> to build, cost next to nothing to run, and don't produce radioactive waste.
>
>There is that, and to be quite honest I couldn't give a fuck about the
>effect they have on the landscape. The Yaloak South wind farm is around
>20km's South West of me and I can clearly see the generators spinning
>away from my kitchen window. I think they look kind of cool, and they're
>an enormously impressive thing to see when you're driving along the road
>right beside them.
>
>However in having said that I would have no opposition whatsoever in
>building a nuclear power plant or 7, and given that we have one of the
>worlds largest (if not *the* largest) natural reserves of Uranium at our
>disposal combined with more than enough uninhabited space to comfortably
>and safely bury the next 10,000 years worth of radioactive waste I think
>we need to have our heads examined for *not* taking advantage of the
>somewhat unique situation we find ourselves in and using Nuclear power
>to solve our power generation problems.

Another waste solution is to dump into the ocean at the edge of a
subducting tectonic plate. The same goes for most other wastes too,
I suppose.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_boundary

On Tue, 31 May 2022 07:26:21 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:

> On Tue, 31 May 2022 05:44:31 +1000, alvey <alvey@is.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 May 2022 16:16:29 +1000, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> those horrible ugly wind towers ruin lovely countryside
>>
>>There's an easy fix for that. Put 'em in Bumhole (Vic)...
>
> How rude! Tasmania would be a better choice, or King island, or some
> Abbo "sacred" site.

The best choice of all would be precisely where you live. That way
something good would come from it...

alvey

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On 31/05/2022 5:44 am, alvey wrote:
> On Mon, 30 May 2022 16:16:29 +1000, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>
>> those horrible ugly wind towers ruin lovely countryside
> There's an easy fix for that. Put 'em in Bumhole (Vic)...
>

good idea! there's nothing to ruin out there

>
> alvey
>

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