Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> I get the impression that they've all been removed from the Island Line,
> with one (or two?) units to the Steam Railway, and the rest to the
> mainland. One (or two?) have gone to the EOR, and the rest to the
> scrapyard, where one car has been scrapped so far.

Yes:
1 unit to IoW steam railway
2 to EOR
1 to local farm shop/cafe/etc
2 to the mainland for scrap
A further 4 units have been scrapped in Ryde over the last 20 years

Of the two units (4 cars) going to scrap, the bits on ebay are from one car
and the other three remain up for grabs, or did at the time of the ebay
advert.

Looking at the background of the ebay pic I posted is one of the floodlight
towers for Rotherham United, which confirms it's Booth's.

> The remaining cars in the scrapyard presumably have a short stay of
> execution, while bidders offering more than scrap value have a last
> opportunity to acquire them. But these will all be 'Christmas trees' in
> poor condition, with the Steam Railway and EOR having taken the ones that
> are nearest to being runners.

Indeed. Given the amount of work Ryde depot had to put in to keep the fleet
working, I'd imagine everything that could have been used has already been
taken.

Theo

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <sa7q96$nb2$2@dont-email.me>, at 14:49:10 on Mon, 14 Jun
> 2021, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <xXB*SbDmy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, at 12:46:59 on Mon,
>>> 14 Jun 2021, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <sa780b$laf$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:37:15 on Mon, 14 Jun
>>>>> 2021, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>> He doesn't appear to have sold it via eBay, but it may have been sold
>>>>>> directly. What intrigued me was that he apparently had three carriages
>>>>>> available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm wondering if he was just acting as an agent for whoever actually owns
>>>>>> the rust-heaps, who's now sold them themselves?
>>>>>
>>>>> cf Barry Island a generation ago.
>>>>
>>>> Two or three generations ago now.
>>>>
>>>> According to the stock list there are only four 483 cars that haven't been
>>>> found new homes, so it suggests they are the ebay ones. There are other
>>>> bits turning up:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265178663211
>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254998440116
>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373612451556
>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373612458797
>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124749771590
>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254998437719
>>>>
>>>> which suggests car 129 (ex 483009) has already been scrapped at Booth's in
>>>> April 2021.
>>>>
>>>> In the background of this pic:
>>>> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/PXsAAOSwbCVgmrCw/s-l1600.jpg
>>>
>>> I saw that earlier, but didn't look at the stuff in the background.
>>>
>>>> I think there's some ex-GA class 321 stock. Apparently some 321s went for
>>>> scrap at Newport and Rotherham, so perhaps the photo is from Booth's
>>>> Rotherham?
>>>
>>> Interesting. So someone has moved them from IOW to the mainland already
>>> (if not to London)? Or are they saying it's "like the ones from the IOW"
>>> but not in fact any of the ones which ended up on the IOW.
>>
>> Well the one in that image is very definitely one which was on the IoW and
>> very definitely no longer is on the IoW…
>
> I wonder how they shifted it.

Crane, low loader and ferry, at a guess; they left at the end of March:

<https://www.facebook.com/250184525030759/posts/3753725408009969/?d=n>
<https://www.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/permalink/465621291525587/>
<https://www.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/permalink/465662668188116/>
<https://www.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/permalink/465663611521355/>

…being cheaper than chinook and hovercraft ;)

<https://www.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/permalink/466070638147319/>

Anna Noyd-Dryver

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <xXB*SbDmy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, at 12:46:59 on Mon,
>> 14 Jun 2021, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <sa780b$laf$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:37:15 on Mon, 14 Jun
>>>> 2021, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> He doesn't appear to have sold it via eBay, but it may have been sold
>>>>> directly. What intrigued me was that he apparently had three carriages
>>>>> available.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm wondering if he was just acting as an agent for whoever actually owns
>>>>> the rust-heaps, who's now sold them themselves?
>>>>
>>>> cf Barry Island a generation ago.
>>>
>>> Two or three generations ago now.
>>>
>>> According to the stock list there are only four 483 cars that haven't been
>>> found new homes, so it suggests they are the ebay ones. There are other
>>> bits turning up:
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265178663211
>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254998440116
>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373612451556
>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373612458797
>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124749771590
>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254998437719
>>>
>>> which suggests car 129 (ex 483009) has already been scrapped at Booth's in
>>> April 2021.
>>>
>>> In the background of this pic:
>>> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/PXsAAOSwbCVgmrCw/s-l1600.jpg
>>
>> I saw that earlier, but didn't look at the stuff in the background.
>>
>>> I think there's some ex-GA class 321 stock. Apparently some 321s went for
>>> scrap at Newport and Rotherham, so perhaps the photo is from Booth's
>>> Rotherham?
>>
>> Interesting. So someone has moved them from IOW to the mainland already
>> (if not to London)? Or are they saying it's "like the ones from the IOW"
>> but not in fact any of the ones which ended up on the IOW.
>
> I get the impression that they've all been removed from the Island Line,
> with one (or two?) units to the Steam Railway, and the rest to the
> mainland. One (or two?) have gone to the EOR, and the rest to the
> scrapyard, where one car has been scrapped so far.
>

One to IWSR, one to a chilli farm (both in-situ at their new homes); two to
an interim location pending onwards movement to EOR. Two to scrapyards (one
car to "Reid’s", three to Booths apparently).

> The remaining cars in the scrapyard presumably have a short stay of
> execution, while bidders offering more than scrap value have a last
> opportunity to acquire them. But these will all be 'Christmas trees' in
> poor condition, with the Steam Railway and EOR having taken the ones that
> are nearest to being runners.
>
>

If you want it for, say, an exhibition space, or 'gate guardian', the
internal condition probably doesn't matter so much (though the price
will!); if you want it as a garden ornament, I guess you'd be hoping for
the interior intact.

I've fantasised, on and off over the years, about how to improve the small
railway museum where I worked where I was younger; it's cut off from the
town by being on the opposite side of the railway station building, and
having something like a 38ts carriage in the public park area between the
town and station might help attract more visitors. The interior condition
would be irrelevant for a role like that.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

On 14/06/2021 15:56, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <sa7q96$nb2$2@dont-email.me>, at 14:49:10 on Mon, 14 Jun
> 2021, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <xXB*SbDmy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, at 12:46:59 on Mon,
>>> 14 Jun 2021, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <sa780b$laf$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:37:15 on Mon, 14 Jun
>>>>> 2021, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>> He doesn't appear to have sold it via eBay, but it may have been sold
>>>>>> directly. What intrigued me was that he apparently had three
>>>>>> carriages
>>>>>> available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm wondering if he was just acting as an agent for whoever
>>>>>> actually owns
>>>>>> the rust-heaps, who's now sold them themselves?
>>>>>
>>>>> cf Barry Island a generation ago.
>>>>
>>>> Two or three generations ago now.
>>>>
>>>> According to the stock list there are only four 483 cars that
>>>> haven't been
>>>> found new homes, so it suggests they are the ebay ones.  There are
>>>> other
>>>> bits turning up:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265178663211
>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254998440116
>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373612451556
>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373612458797
>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124749771590
>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254998437719
>>>>
>>>> which suggests car 129 (ex 483009) has already been scrapped at
>>>> Booth's in
>>>> April 2021.
>>>>
>>>> In the background of this pic:
>>>> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/PXsAAOSwbCVgmrCw/s-l1600.jpg
>>>
>>> I saw that earlier, but didn't look at the stuff in the background.
>>>
>>>> I think there's some ex-GA class 321 stock.  Apparently some 321s
>>>> went for
>>>> scrap at Newport and Rotherham, so perhaps the photo is from Booth's
>>>> Rotherham?
>>>
>>> Interesting. So someone has moved them from IOW to the mainland already
>>> (if not to London)? Or are they saying it's "like the ones from the IOW"
>>> but not in fact any of the ones which ended up on the IOW.
>>
>> Well the one in that image is very definitely one which was on the IoW
>> and
>> very definitely no longer is on the IoW…
>
> I wonder how they shifted it.

Lowloader and ferry.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On 14/06/2021 14:19, MrSpook_1ge@563jegaa5765gqgrufl84lu.biz wrote:
> Why do railway vehicles have to be cut up somewhere like Booths especially
> if they're heading there on a low loader? A blowtoach is a blowtorch, why
> can't any reasonably sized scrap dealer do it?

Could it just be familiarity?

A company that has done work on carriages will probably know where any
nasty bits like asbestos are located and how to access it. Also where
any valuable bits are. So they can do the job quicker (i.e. cheaper)
than someone not familiar with them.

In message <sa7uru$qnl$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:07:26 on Mon, 14 Jun
2021, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <sa7q96$nb2$2@dont-email.me>, at 14:49:10 on Mon, 14 Jun
>> 2021, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <xXB*SbDmy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, at 12:46:59 on Mon,
>>>> 14 Jun 2021, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <sa780b$laf$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:37:15 on Mon, 14 Jun
>>>>>> 2021, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>> He doesn't appear to have sold it via eBay, but it may have been sold
>>>>>>> directly. What intrigued me was that he apparently had three carriages
>>>>>>> available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm wondering if he was just acting as an agent for whoever
>>>>>>>actually owns
>>>>>>> the rust-heaps, who's now sold them themselves?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cf Barry Island a generation ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two or three generations ago now.
>>>>>
>>>>> According to the stock list there are only four 483 cars that haven't been
>>>>> found new homes, so it suggests they are the ebay ones. There are other
>>>>> bits turning up:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265178663211
>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254998440116
>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373612451556
>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373612458797
>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124749771590
>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254998437719
>>>>>
>>>>> which suggests car 129 (ex 483009) has already been scrapped at Booth's in
>>>>> April 2021.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the background of this pic:
>>>>> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/PXsAAOSwbCVgmrCw/s-l1600.jpg
>>>>
>>>> I saw that earlier, but didn't look at the stuff in the background.
>>>>
>>>>> I think there's some ex-GA class 321 stock. Apparently some 321s went for
>>>>> scrap at Newport and Rotherham, so perhaps the photo is from Booth's
>>>>> Rotherham?
>>>>
>>>> Interesting. So someone has moved them from IOW to the mainland already
>>>> (if not to London)? Or are they saying it's "like the ones from the IOW"
>>>> but not in fact any of the ones which ended up on the IOW.
>>>
>>> Well the one in that image is very definitely one which was on the IoW and
>>> very definitely no longer is on the IoW…
>>
>> I wonder how they shifted it.
>
>Crane, low loader and ferry, at a guess; they left at the end of March:
>
><https://www.facebook.com/250184525030759/posts/3753725408009969/?d=n>
><https://www.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/permalink/465621291525587/>
><https://www.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/permalink/465662668188116/>
><https://www.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/permalink/465663611521355/>

Thanks. Most of those look in better shape than the one for sale. Have
those found a different home?
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <sa7uru$qnl$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:07:26 on Mon, 14 Jun
> 2021, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <sa7q96$nb2$2@dont-email.me>, at 14:49:10 on Mon, 14 Jun
>>> 2021, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <xXB*SbDmy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, at 12:46:59 on Mon,
>>>>> 14 Jun 2021, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> remarked:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <sa780b$laf$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:37:15 on Mon, 14 Jun
>>>>>>> 2021, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>> He doesn't appear to have sold it via eBay, but it may have been sold
>>>>>>>> directly. What intrigued me was that he apparently had three carriages
>>>>>>>> available.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm wondering if he was just acting as an agent for whoever
>>>>>>>> actually owns
>>>>>>>> the rust-heaps, who's now sold them themselves?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cf Barry Island a generation ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two or three generations ago now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> According to the stock list there are only four 483 cars that haven't been
>>>>>> found new homes, so it suggests they are the ebay ones. There are other
>>>>>> bits turning up:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265178663211
>>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254998440116
>>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373612451556
>>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373612458797
>>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124749771590
>>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254998437719
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which suggests car 129 (ex 483009) has already been scrapped at Booth's in
>>>>>> April 2021.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the background of this pic:
>>>>>> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/PXsAAOSwbCVgmrCw/s-l1600.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> I saw that earlier, but didn't look at the stuff in the background.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think there's some ex-GA class 321 stock. Apparently some 321s went for
>>>>>> scrap at Newport and Rotherham, so perhaps the photo is from Booth's
>>>>>> Rotherham?
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting. So someone has moved them from IOW to the mainland already
>>>>> (if not to London)? Or are they saying it's "like the ones from the IOW"
>>>>> but not in fact any of the ones which ended up on the IOW.
>>>>
>>>> Well the one in that image is very definitely one which was on the IoW and
>>>> very definitely no longer is on the IoW…
>>>
>>> I wonder how they shifted it.
>>
>> Crane, low loader and ferry, at a guess; they left at the end of March:
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/250184525030759/posts/3753725408009969/?d=n>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/permalink/465621291525587/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/permalink/465662668188116/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/permalink/465663611521355/>
>
> Thanks. Most of those look in better shape than the one for sale. Have
> those found a different home?

Four vehicles have left the island for scrap; three vehicles to Booths,
including the one advertised, and one to another yard called Reids,
wherever that may be.

We don't know how much of the visible "poor condition" was sustained after
arrival at the scrap yard.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

In message <sa9s9e$9v$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:35:42 on Tue, 15 Jun 2021,
Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <sa7uru$qnl$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:07:26 on Mon, 14 Jun
>> 2021, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <sa7q96$nb2$2@dont-email.me>, at 14:49:10 on Mon, 14 Jun
>>>> 2021, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <xXB*SbDmy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, at 12:46:59 on Mon,
>>>>>> 14 Jun 2021, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <sa780b$laf$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:37:15 on Mon, 14 Jun
>>>>>>>> 2021, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>>> He doesn't appear to have sold it via eBay, but it may have been sold
>>>>>>>>> directly. What intrigued me was that he apparently had three carriages
>>>>>>>>> available.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm wondering if he was just acting as an agent for whoever
>>>>>>>>> actually owns
>>>>>>>>> the rust-heaps, who's now sold them themselves?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cf Barry Island a generation ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Two or three generations ago now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> According to the stock list there are only four 483 cars that
>>>>>>>haven't been
>>>>>>> found new homes, so it suggests they are the ebay ones. There are other
>>>>>>> bits turning up:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265178663211
>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254998440116
>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373612451556
>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373612458797
>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124749771590
>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254998437719
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which suggests car 129 (ex 483009) has already been scrapped at
>>>>>>>Booth's in
>>>>>>> April 2021.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the background of this pic:
>>>>>>> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/PXsAAOSwbCVgmrCw/s-l1600.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I saw that earlier, but didn't look at the stuff in the background.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think there's some ex-GA class 321 stock. Apparently some
>>>>>>>321s went for
>>>>>>> scrap at Newport and Rotherham, so perhaps the photo is from Booth's
>>>>>>> Rotherham?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting. So someone has moved them from IOW to the mainland already
>>>>>> (if not to London)? Or are they saying it's "like the ones from the IOW"
>>>>>> but not in fact any of the ones which ended up on the IOW.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well the one in that image is very definitely one which was on the IoW and
>>>>> very definitely no longer is on the IoW…
>>>>
>>>> I wonder how they shifted it.
>>>
>>> Crane, low loader and ferry, at a guess; they left at the end of March:
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/250184525030759/posts/3753725408009969/?d=n>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/permalink/465621291525587/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/permalink/465662668188116/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/permalink/465663611521355/>
>>
>> Thanks. Most of those look in better shape than the one for sale. Have
>> those found a different home?
>
>Four vehicles have left the island for scrap; three vehicles to Booths,
>including the one advertised, and one to another yard called Reids,
>wherever that may be.
>
>We don't know how much of the visible "poor condition" was sustained after
>arrival at the scrap yard.

Externally, looks like weathering, and it's only been there since March.
Internally, the listing strongly implies the missing stuff was
cannibalised years ago, rather than ripped out last week.

--
Roland Perry

Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:

>> Thanks. Most of those look in better shape than the one for sale. Have
>> those found a different home?
>
> Four vehicles have left the island for scrap; three vehicles to Booths,
> including the one advertised, and one to another yard called Reids,
> wherever that may be.
>
Reids is the haulier, based at Stoke on Trent.

http://www.reidfreight.co.uk/page/heavy-haulage-and-escort

They frequently move rail vehicles but don’t seem to as well know as the
other specialist
Allelys.

I believe that at least one move was a return load from the second 484 to
reach the island as it is Reids who have transported them. While on the
Island they moved the units to the Chilli farm and the IOWSR. The latter
has received another Terrier from the mainland on loan AFAIK using Reids
may also have brought back a 483 as a return load .
There are videos on you tube showing the various units making what for
some will have been their last wheeled movements being pushed slowly to
Sandown sidings by the Unimog that is over there.

GH