Sam Plusnet wrote:

> Whatever strategic aims Putin had for starting that war, he has already
> lost, without any hope of recovery, on every single count.

If only most of his fellow countrymen knew ...

Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> writes:

> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
>> Whatever strategic aims Putin had for starting that war, he has
>> already lost, without any hope of recovery, on every single count.
>
> If only most of his fellow countrymen knew ...

The last scene of Martin Cruz Smith's novel, December 6, takes place
hours after the announcement of the "successful" attack on Pearl Harbor.
Protagonist Harry Niles' chief adversary, Japanese war hero
Col. Ishigami says, "The war is over" and kills himself. Harry exits
to the Tokyo street crowded with cheering poeple jubilant that the Americans
and British have been defeated.

Lets hope the Russian people get off easier from Putin's stupidity than
the Japanese people did as a result of Tojo's.

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On 22 Feb 2023 16:24:52 -0400, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
wrote:

> RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> writes:
>
>> On 22/02/2023 11:57, maus wrote:
>>
>>> In WW2, there was a doubt about the loyalty of Japanese-Americans, and
>>> most were rounded up and treated badly. There was not a smidgen of
>>> truth in the suspicions. The biggest danger to the world at the moment
>>> is the obviously senile Joe Biden. Bring back Trump!,
>>
>> You are rigt about the loyalty of the Japanese in USAnia, but I see no
>> evidence of senility in Biden, and I have no respect for *anyone* who
>> would back the ginger monstrosity - that so many USAnians voted him
>> into office makes me extremely dubious about the sanity and common
>> decency of more than half the population of the US.
>
> What's particularly disturbing about the Dunning-Kruger effect is
> that people are attracted to confident leaders, so politicians are
> incentivized to be overconfident in their beliefs and opinions, and
> to overstate their expertise. For example, Donald Trump -- despite
> not having any real understanding of what causes cancer --
> suggested that the noise from wind turbines is causing cancer (a
> claim that is not supported by any empirical studies). It is well
> documented that on topics ranging from pandemics to climate change,
> Trump routinely dismissed the opinions of the professionals who have
> dedicated their lives to understanding those phenomena, because he
> thought that he knew better. It's bad enough that politicians like
> Donald Trump and Marjorie Taylor Greene don't recognize their own
> ignorance and fail to exercise the appropriate amount of caution
> when making claims that can affect public health and safety -- but
> what is really disturbing is that they are being celebrated for
> their over-confidence (i.e., stupidity).
>
> It is less surprising that politicians who regularly exhibit the
> Dunning-Kruger effect are being elected to office when one realizes
> that they are being voted in by people who also display the
> Dunning-Kruger effect.
> [...]
> What we are dealing with here is an epidemic of stupidity that will
> only get worse as divisions continue to increase. This should
> motivate all of us to do what we can to ease the political division.
> [...]
>
> https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/threat-of-stupidity/

YES!

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No indeed, the whole region loses with a completely hat stand person in
charge of a very large country. Could they not offer him to be the first
person on the moon in the new batch, and forget to bring him back?

Maybe Musk could send him to Mars.
Brian

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"Sam Plusnet" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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> On 22-Feb-23 5:13, Tone wrote:
>> Putin has withdrawn from the New Start Agreement.
>>
>> Does that make nuclear war inevitable?
>>
>> If he starts to lose in Ukraine I can't see him not using nuclear
>> weapons. Can you?
>
> Start to lose?
> Whatever strategic aims Putin had for starting that war, he has already
> lost, without any hope of recovery, on every single count.
>
> Note: That doesn't mean Ukraine wins.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94bqk8cB9iQ
>
> Is an interesting, informed view on the topic.
>
>
> --
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>

Yes, and one of the problems is that although democracy has major flaws, in
the end the government can be chucked out if they make a pigs ear of it. The
so called democratic process in Russia seems to be you can stand if you live
long enough to be elected.
Brian

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"Mike Spencer" <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote in message
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>
> Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> writes:
>
>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>
>>> Whatever strategic aims Putin had for starting that war, he has
>>> already lost, without any hope of recovery, on every single count.
>>
>> If only most of his fellow countrymen knew ...
>
> The last scene of Martin Cruz Smith's novel, December 6, takes place
> hours after the announcement of the "successful" attack on Pearl Harbor.
> Protagonist Harry Niles' chief adversary, Japanese war hero
> Col. Ishigami says, "The war is over" and kills himself. Harry exits
> to the Tokyo street crowded with cheering poeple jubilant that the
> Americans
> and British have been defeated.
>
> Lets hope the Russian people get off easier from Putin's stupidity than
> the Japanese people did as a result of Tojo's.
>
>
> --
> Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 09:27:08 -0000, Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, and one of the problems is that although democracy has major flaws, in
> the end the government can be chucked out if they make a pigs ear of it. The
> so called democratic process in Russia seems to be you can stand if you live
> long enough to be elected.

Various leaders in the US have learned this in the last
century. We try not to talk about it.

--
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themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily
embarrassed millionaires.” - Ronald Wright

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 09:24:38 -0000, Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Maybe Musk could send him to Mars.

Ah! Life on Mars.

Raises a few questions:

1. What are you going to eat?
2. How do you control the air?
3. If you need a spare part, delivery is seven months at
the soonest

We could of course be spending money and talent fixing
the problems on earth.

--
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laugh, or they'll kill you." - Attributed to Oscar Wilde

On 2023-02-23, Julian Macassey <julian@n6are.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 09:27:08 -0000, Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes, and one of the problems is that although democracy has major flaws, in
>> the end the government can be chucked out if they make a pigs ear of it. The
>> so called democratic process in Russia seems to be you can stand if you live
>> long enough to be elected.
>
> Various leaders in the US have learned this in the last
> century. We try not to talk about it.
>

Count out the numbers of POTUS's (POTii?) that have remained on the job
even after their minds were gone. Woodrow Wilson, Ronald Reagen, and now
Biden. there was one Russian, forgethis name.

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On 22/02/2023 14:05, maus wrote:
> On 2023-02-22, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 22/02/2023 11:57, maus wrote:
>>> On 2023-02-22, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 09:26:54 +0000
>>>> John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>
>
>> You are rigt about the loyalty of the Japanese in USAnia, but I see no a
>> evidence of senility in Biden,
>
> Ask the next patient what he/she thinks! or if they have the time, ask
> the nursie.
>
>> and I have no respect for *anyone* who
>> would back the ginger monstrosity - that so many USAnians voted him into
>> office makes me extremely dubious about the sanity and common decency of
>> more than half the population of the US.
>>
> I am glad that you agree that he was voted out by well less than the half of
> US voters. I was looking at BBC when the influencers squealed with fear
> when Don was honestly voted in first.
>
> BBC was a news service that was popular before GBNews started.

You seem to believe anything a corrupt politician tells you. Is Putin
your hero too?

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To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 2023-02-23, Julian Macassey <julian@n6are.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 09:24:38 -0000, Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Maybe Musk could send him to Mars.
>
> Ah! Life on Mars.
>
> Raises a few questions:
>
> 1. What are you going to eat?
> 2. How do you control the air?
> 3. If you need a spare part, delivery is seven months at
> the soonest
>
> We could of course be spending money and talent fixing
> the problems on earth.
>

Yes. Inventing a disease that kills off lots of people would be a good
start, or allowing an industrial accident that gassed a lot.

HGWells, some time ago, spoke of the danger of orgasms from alien
systems. (The common cold on Martians), and more is found out about the
effect of European diseases on America.

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On 23/02/2023 11:40, RustyHinge wrote:
<About maus>
> You seem to believe anything a corrupt politician tells you. Is Putin
> your hero too?
>
Maus seems to be enjoying his life under that bridge.

--
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John.

On 2023-02-23, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
> On 22/02/2023 14:05, maus wrote:
>>>
>> I am glad that you agree that he was voted out by well less than the half of
>> US voters. I was looking at BBC when the influencers squealed with fear
>> when Don was honestly voted in first.
>>
>> BBC was a news service that was popular before GBNews started.
>
> You seem to believe anything a corrupt politician tells you. Is Putin
> your hero too?
>
Quote something from somwhere I cannot remember.

"Pity the land that needs Heroes."

Farage came here and opposed some EUempowering referendum. The local
media ridiculed him. Who is laughing now.

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maus said:
> On 2023-02-23, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 22/02/2023 14:05, maus wrote:
>>>>
>>> I am glad that you agree that he was voted out by well less than the half of
>>> US voters. I was looking at BBC when the influencers squealed with fear
>>> when Don was honestly voted in first.
>>>
>>> BBC was a news service that was popular before GBNews started.
>>
>> You seem to believe anything a corrupt politician tells you. Is Putin
>> your hero too?
>>
> Quote something from somwhere I cannot remember.
>
> "Pity the land that needs Heroes."
>
> Farage came here and opposed some EUempowering referendum. The local
> media ridiculed him. Who is laughing now.

All the people elsewhere who enjoy schadenfreude.

--
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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On 23/02/2023 11:51, maus wrote:
> On 2023-02-23, Julian Macassey <julian@n6are.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 09:24:38 -0000, Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe Musk could send him to Mars.
>>
>> Ah! Life on Mars.
>>
>> Raises a few questions:
>>
>> 1. What are you going to eat?
>> 2. How do you control the air?
>> 3. If you need a spare part, delivery is seven months at
>> the soonest
>>
>> We could of course be spending money and talent fixing
>> the problems on earth.
>>
>
>
> Yes. Inventing a disease that kills off lots of people would be a good
> start, or allowing an industrial accident that gassed a lot.
>
> HGWells, some time ago, spoke of the danger of orgasms from alien
> systems. (The common cold on Martians), and more is found out about the
> effect of European diseases on America.
>
Ooooh! Can I sign-up for some of those orgasms? Oh. as you were, H.G.W.

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To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 11:09:34 -0000 (UTC)
Julian Macassey <julian@n6are.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 09:24:38 -0000, Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe Musk could send him to Mars.
>
> Ah! Life on Mars.
>
> Raises a few questions:
>
> 1. What are you going to eat?

Food grown there probably with the aid of supplementary lighting
and hydroponics. It'll be vegan for quite some time I expect so it'll
probably be necessary to raise some algae for fatty acids and some soil
bacteria for B12.

> 2. How do you control the air?

Design problem - need a lot more details on the habitat design to
even think about that one ... except in principle. For long term, build
underground, leak alarms, plenty of emergency airlocks, plenty of air
circulation, plenty of plants, monitoring and filtering.

> 3. If you need a spare part, delivery is seven months at
> the soonest

Yep best have a good stock of anything that can't be made locally
and design everything to minimise external dependencies (using a lot of
common parts would be a good start). Being able to make a lot of things
locally would be crucial - so some good industrial 3D printers capable of
printing all (or nearly all) of their own parts between them would be
useful.

It'd be a bootstrapping operation so getting the initial load
right would help a lot -getting it badly wrong would scupper the whole thing
and kill everyone there.

> We could of course be spending money and talent fixing
> the problems on earth.

We can even do both and may well learn a lot about how to do the
latter by attempting to live on Mars. Establishing a Mars colony, even with
Musk's extravagant thousand ship approach would use only a minuscule
proportion of the talent and resources of eight billion people. The
offshoot benefits would almost certainly repay the effort many times over,
sending a few people to the moon just for bragging rights did.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On 2023-02-23, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
> On 23/02/2023 11:51, maus wrote:
>> On 2023-02-23, Julian Macassey <julian@n6are.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 09:24:38 -0000, Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Maybe Musk could send him to Mars.
>>>
>>> Ah! Life on Mars.
>>>
>>> Raises a few questions:
>>>
>>> 1. What are you going to eat?
>>> 2. How do you control the air?
>>> 3. If you need a spare part, delivery is seven months at
>>> the soonest
>>>
>>> We could of course be spending money and talent fixing
>>> the problems on earth.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yes. Inventing a disease that kills off lots of people would be a good
>> start, or allowing an industrial accident that gassed a lot.
>>
>> HGWells, some time ago, spoke of the danger of orgasms from alien
>> systems. (The common cold on Martians), and more is found out about the
>> effect of European diseases on America.
>>
> Ooooh! Can I sign-up for some of those orgasms? Oh. as you were, H.G.W.
>
>
They cost extra. Try your local streetwalker

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On 2023-02-23, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 23/02/2023 11:40, RustyHinge wrote:
><About maus>
>> You seem to believe anything a corrupt politician tells you. Is Putin
>> your hero too?
>>
> Maus seems to be enjoying his life under that bridge.
>

Its getting awfully crowded. The rain dripps down between the tressels,
as the train whistle draws nearer, and we ready to run for a wagon.

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On 2023-02-23, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 11:09:34 -0000 (UTC)
> Julian Macassey <julian@n6are.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 09:24:38 -0000, Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Maybe Musk could send him to Mars.
>>
>> Ah! Life on Mars.
>>
>> Raises a few questions:
>>
>> 1. What are you going to eat?
>
> We can even do both and may well learn a lot about how to do the
> latter by attempting to live on Mars. Establishing a Mars colony, even with
> Musk's extravagant thousand ship approach would use only a minuscule
> proportion of the talent and resources of eight billion people. The
> offshoot benefits would almost certainly repay the effort many times over,
> sending a few people to the moon just for bragging rights did.
>

From a faulty memory, there was a cold spell in Southern Spain a few
years ago, and a company in England raised cash to try to grow food
underground. Never heard of how they got on.

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"Where is the ring that I gave to Nancy Spain?"

On 23 Feb 2023 14:35:35 GMT
maus <maus@mail.com> wrote:

> From a faulty memory, there was a cold spell in Southern Spain a few
> years ago, and a company in England raised cash to try to grow food
> underground. Never heard of how they got on.

Do a search for vertical farming.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On 22-Feb-23 20:24, Mike Spencer wrote:
> For example, Donald Trump --
> despite not having any real understanding of what causes cancer --
> suggested that the noise from wind turbines is causing cancer (a
> claim that is not supported by any empirical studies).

A claim which can only be supported by extreme gullibility and rejection
of common sense.

> It is well
> documented that on topics ranging from pandemics to climate
> change, Trump routinely dismissed the opinions of the
> professionals who have dedicated their lives to understanding
> those phenomena, because he thought that he knew better.

I don't _think_ he believed he knew better, just that their information
was inconvenient, and so unacceptable.
Some have no interest in truth and consequences, only personal advantage.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 23-Feb-23 11:40, RustyHinge wrote:
> On 22/02/2023 14:05, maus wrote:
>> On 2023-02-22, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 22/02/2023 11:57, maus wrote:
>>>> On 2023-02-22, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 09:26:54 +0000
>>>>> John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>> You are rigt about the loyalty of the Japanese in USAnia, but I see no a
>>> evidence of senility in Biden,
>>
>> Ask the next patient what he/she thinks! or if they have the time, ask
>> the nursie.
>>
>>> and I have no respect for *anyone* who
>>> would back the ginger monstrosity - that so many USAnians voted him into
>>> office makes me extremely dubious about the sanity and common decency of
>>> more than half the population of the US.
>>>
>> I am glad that you agree that he was voted out by well less than the
>> half of
>> US voters. I was looking at BBC when  the influencers squealed with fear
>> when Don was honestly voted in first.
>>
>> BBC was a news service that was popular before GBNews started.
>
> You seem to believe anything a corrupt politician tells you. Is Putin
> your hero too?

The last two line are relevant.

"Speak roughly to your little boy,
And beat him when he sneezes:
He only does it to annoy,
Because he knows it teases."

On balance, the best you can do within Usenet is to ignore the buggers.

--
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On 23-Feb-23 12:22, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 11:09:34 -0000 (UTC)
> Julian Macassey <julian@n6are.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 09:24:38 -0000, Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe Musk could send him to Mars.
>>
>> Ah! Life on Mars.
>>
>> Raises a few questions:
>>
>> 1. What are you going to eat?
>
> Food grown there probably with the aid of supplementary lighting
> and hydroponics. It'll be vegan for quite some time I expect so it'll
> probably be necessary to raise some algae for fatty acids and some soil
> bacteria for B12.
>
>> 2. How do you control the air?
>
> Design problem - need a lot more details on the habitat design to
> even think about that one ... except in principle. For long term, build
> underground, leak alarms, plenty of emergency airlocks, plenty of air
> circulation, plenty of plants, monitoring and filtering.
>
>> 3. If you need a spare part, delivery is seven months at
>> the soonest
>
> Yep best have a good stock of anything that can't be made locally
> and design everything to minimise external dependencies (using a lot of
> common parts would be a good start). Being able to make a lot of things
> locally would be crucial - so some good industrial 3D printers capable of
> printing all (or nearly all) of their own parts between them would be
> useful.

"We have a problem. We need a new part."
"So? We've got a 3D printer. What's the problem?"
"It's the 3D printer that broke."
>
> It'd be a bootstrapping operation so getting the initial load
> right would help a lot -getting it badly wrong would scupper the whole thing
> and kill everyone there.

Make up a list of _everything_ that needs to be on that rocket.
The habitat[1] people will have to live in for years, all the food and
other consumables needed until you can be confident of being
self-supporting, plus all the back-ups and spares.
How big is that rocket's payload?

[1] Maybe IKEA would be a better choice. Take plenty of Allen keys.

--
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:

> On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 11:09:34 -0000 (UTC)
> Julian Macassey <julian@n6are.com> wrote:
>
>> 3. If you need a spare part, delivery is seven months at
>> the soonest
>
> Yep best have a good stock of anything that can't be made locally
> and design everything to minimise external dependencies (using a lot of
> common parts would be a good start). Being able to make a lot of things
> locally would be crucial - so some good industrial 3D printers capable of
> printing all (or nearly all) of their own parts between them would be
> useful.
>
> It'd be a bootstrapping operation so getting the initial load
> right would help a lot -getting it badly wrong would scupper the whole thing
> and kill everyone there.

Just as proof of concept, try this in some isolated spot on good old
Terra where air, rainfall and garden soil are abundantly available.

Having done something similar myself -- it might be called
"homesteading" -- over 50 years ago, equipped with a couple of
truckloads of miscellaneous tools and equipment and a good variety of
DIY skills, what would I anticipate for doing it again with *total*
isolation from extenal resources? Maybe a million bucks (in today's
money) worth of materials, fuel, power equipment, spare parts,
fabrication equipment, pharmaceuticals etc. etc.

Colonizing Mars would be incredibly cool. And of the same level of
wisdom as chromeing the moon.

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

On 23/02/2023 19:46, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 23-Feb-23 11:40, RustyHinge wrote:
>> On 22/02/2023 14:05, maus wrote:
>>> On 2023-02-22, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 22/02/2023 11:57, maus wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-02-22, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 09:26:54 +0000
>>>>>> John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> You are rigt about the loyalty of the Japanese in USAnia, but I see
>>>> no a
>>>> evidence of senility in Biden,
>>>
>>> Ask the next patient what he/she thinks! or if they have the time, ask
>>> the nursie.
>>>
>>>> and I have no respect for *anyone* who
>>>> would back the ginger monstrosity - that so many USAnians voted him
>>>> into
>>>> office makes me extremely dubious about the sanity and common
>>>> decency of
>>>> more than half the population of the US.
>>>>
>>> I am glad that you agree that he was voted out by well less than the
>>> half of
>>> US voters. I was looking at BBC when  the influencers squealed with fear
>>> when Don was honestly voted in first.
>>>
>>> BBC was a news service that was popular before GBNews started.
>>
>> You seem to believe anything a corrupt politician tells you. Is Putin
>> your hero too?
>
> The last two line are relevant.
>
> "Speak roughly to your little boy,
> And beat him when he sneezes:
> He only does it to annoy,
> Because he knows it teases."
>
> On balance, the best you can do within Usenet is to ignore the buggers.

Difficult to ignore the ugttref they're such a PITA - PITA - PITA - PITA
- PITA

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 23/02/2023 19:56, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
> "We have a problem. We need a new part."
> "So? We've got a 3D printer.  What's the problem?"
> "It's the 3D printer that broke."

"Physician, heal thyself!"

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.