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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 12 Jan 2023 01:25 UTC

On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 11:28:37 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

>
>>>>
>>>> She actually got the boot because even Labor had noticed that
>>>> she had no chance of winning the upcoming elections. If we had
>>>> actually been stupid enough to have double the length of term,
>>>> we would have been stuck with that stupid cow for twice as long.
>>>>
>>>> Fuck that.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tariffs, border restrictions etc have been around forever.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> So nothing INVENTIVE about them, dinosaur.
>>>>
>>>>> I never said so!
>>>>
>>>> Everyone can see that you did with taxation, liar.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But I
>>>>>>>>> would extend control to airports where a $2000 departure tax
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> reduce the number of the idle poor throwing their money away at
>>>>>>>>> oversea's gypsies, then crying poor at the "cost of living".
>>
>> We aren't stupid enough to allow any govt tell us what we can do on
>> holiday.
>
> Surely any government can impose currency restrictions,

Hardly any are actually stupid enough to do that anymore.

> as they
> should,

Bullshit.

> especially since the Dear Great Unwashed...

> 1/ Accept Oz wages and spend these on overseas goods.

Because they aren't stupid enough to pay more for local shit like yours.

> 2/ And travel to do it!

And no govt is actually stupid enough to stop them doing
that unless there is lots of covid outside the country and
fuck all inside it.

> Only the ignorant need a view!

Only parasites need tariffs.

>>>>>>>> Not a chance of that ever being politically feasible, fool.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See above, about populism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Completely useless as always with your mindless dinosaur shit.

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 by: Peter Jason - Thu, 12 Jan 2023 05:38 UTC

On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 12:21:47 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 11:24:53 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 14:07:19 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 12:35:09 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 18:19:59 -0500, Nic <Nic@none.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/9/23 8:12 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
>>>>>> With increasingly ubiquitous iPhones, internet, central air
>>>>>> conditioning,
>>>>>> flat-screen TVs, and indoor plumbing, few in the developed world
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> want to go back to life 100, 30, or even 10 years ago. Indeed, around
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> world, the last two centuries have brought vast improvements in
>>>>>> material
>>>>>> living standards; billions of people have been lifted from poverty,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> life expectancy across income levels has broadly risen. Most of that
>>>>>> progress came from capitalist economies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet those economies are not without their problems. In the United
>>>>>> States
>>>>>> and the United Kingdom, the gap between the rich and poor has become
>>>>>> intolerably large as business owners and highly educated workers in
>>>>>> urban
>>>>>> areas have become richer while workers’ wages in rural areas have
>>>>>> stagnated. In most rich countries, more trade has brought a bigger,
>>>>>> better
>>>>>> variety of goods, but it has also displaced many jobs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With social instability in the form of mass protests, Brexit, the
>>>>>> rise
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> populism, and deep polarization knocking at the capitalist economies’
>>>>>> doors, much of the progress of the last several decades is in peril.
>>>>>> For
>>>>>> some pundits and policymakers, the solution is clear: socialism,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> tends to be cited as a method for addressing everything from
>>>>>> inequality
>>>>>> and injustice to climate change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Allison Schrager is an economist, senior fellow at the Manhattan
>>>>>> Institute, and co-founder of LifeCycle Finance Partners, LLC, a risk
>>>>>> advisory firm. Twitter: @AllisonSchrager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/15/socialism-wont-work-capitalism-still-
>>>>>> best/
>>>>>
>>>>> Why does my tax bill contain the school taxes. I have no children and
>>>>> no
>>>>> plans for any children. Is this some kind of socialism that props up
>>>>> the
>>>>> education industry/unions?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It all gets worse. The inexorable rise in gas & electricity prices
>>>> reflect new consumption taxes.
>>>
>>> Nope, the ware in the Ukraines.
>>>
>>>> I'll bet anything!
>>>
>>> But you as such a piker you would never pay up.
>>
>> Wot with? I'm impecunious due to govt policies.
>
>Nope, because you can't compete with better operations.

You're up to your lobes in steaming pig shit.

1/ The great Ozzite buys stuff overseas made by very cheap labour.

Well, that's it!

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 by: Peter Jason - Thu, 12 Jan 2023 05:41 UTC

On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 12:25:41 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 11:28:37 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> She actually got the boot because even Labor had noticed that
>>>>> she had no chance of winning the upcoming elections. If we had
>>>>> actually been stupid enough to have double the length of term,
>>>>> we would have been stuck with that stupid cow for twice as long.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fuck that.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tariffs, border restrictions etc have been around forever.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So nothing INVENTIVE about them, dinosaur.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I never said so!
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone can see that you did with taxation, liar.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But I
>>>>>>>>>> would extend control to airports where a $2000 departure tax
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> reduce the number of the idle poor throwing their money away at
>>>>>>>>>> oversea's gypsies, then crying poor at the "cost of living".
>>>
>>> We aren't stupid enough to allow any govt tell us what we can do on
>>> holiday.
>>
>> Surely any government can impose currency restrictions,
>
>Hardly any are actually stupid enough to do that anymore.
>
>> as they
>> should,
>
>Bullshit.
>
>> especially since the Dear Great Unwashed...
>
>> 1/ Accept Oz wages and spend these on overseas goods.
>
>Because they aren't stupid enough to pay more for local shit like yours.
>
>> 2/ And travel to do it!
>
>And no govt is actually stupid enough to stop them doing
>that unless there is lots of covid outside the country and
>fuck all inside it.
>
>> Only the ignorant need a view!
>
>Only parasites need tariffs.
>
>>>>>>>>> Not a chance of that ever being politically feasible, fool.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See above, about populism.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Completely useless as always with your mindless dinosaur shit.

Yawwwwwwwwn...
Why not have the police and army run by overseas agents. Much
cheaper. Brontosaurus!

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 by: Petzl - Thu, 12 Jan 2023 05:53 UTC

On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 08:28:12 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Nic <Nic@none.net> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>> We aren't stupid enough to allow any govt tell us what we can do on
>>> holiday.
>
>> Did you have a Christmas party Dec. 25, 2021?
>
>What I have done about covid has nothing to do with any govt
>and I have in fact been much safer than any govt required.
>
>And I am the only one I know who has not been infected as a result.
>
Anthony Albanese claims his Labor Party is socialist.
Every day is Christmas never held a real job ever!
Dan Andrews had his teeth knocked out and several shades of shit
kicked out of him after trying to hit on his sons 16 year old daughter
daughter!
<https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/11/daniel-andrews-injury-inside-the-conspiracy-theory-around-the-premiers-fall>
https://tinyurl.com/yhddr93a
On 11 March – the day after the first Telegram posts – the website
posted an article under the headline “Who bashed Dan Andrews?”. It
claimed, again without basis, that the injuries suffered by the
premier were “consistent with having been kicked while prone on the
ground”.
*************
Now the great Albanese follower of Whitlam
<https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/the-pm-the-premier-and-a-billionaire-s-private-helicopter-what-albanese-did-at-the-weekend-20230109-p5cba5.html>
https://tinyurl.com/2q4g6tcp
Anthony Albanese has been accused of breaking his promise to run a
“transparent” government amid revelations the prime minister was flown
on a private helicopter owned by billionaire Lindsay Fox
--
Petzl
<https://consortiumnews.com/2022/11/14/the-queens-coup/>

The entire Parliament was sacked,for treason under Whitlam
Constitutionally Parties are not recognised. So when a Government was
found to be removing ties to USA and Britain's orbit moving towards
that of the Communist and Third World powers, with strong support for
the "Arab lobby", Britain and USA would of found that treachery.

Arab financiers offered lower interest rates on governmental loans
than US banks/financiers. The Middle East at the time was awash with
"petro-dollars", as the price of oil quadrupled between 1973 and 1974.
Whitlam allowed Saudi Arabs to build a Mosque in Sydney/Lakemba.
Whitlam was a immoral communist working to remove ties to USA and
Britain's orbit moving towards that of the Communist and Third World
powers, with strong support for the "Arab lobby".
https://is.gd/IzhkxL

Whitlam did not want anti-communists to settle in Australia,
irrespective of whether they were genuine asylum seekers. Here his
stance differed from the position he took following the overthrow of
Salvador Allende's left-wing government in Chile in 1973.

Whitlam said on the ABC that Australia did not want “another
­reactionary right-wing minority”. Foreign minister Don Willesee
pleaded with him to take more. Whitlam replied: “I’m not having those
f..king Vietnamese Balts coming into this country with their religious
and political prejudices against us.”

Whitlam opposed the entry of Vietnamese refugees, saying they stirred
no sympathy in him. He added: “There will be some resentment about the
people coming to Australia at a time of unemployment, and also people
from a very different way of life.”

In other words, Whitlam consciously stirred up ethnic and racial
prejudice against Vietnamese ­because he thought they might be
politically hostile to Labor.

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 12 Jan 2023 06:34 UTC

On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 16:38:41 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 12:21:47 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 11:24:53 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 14:07:19 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 12:35:09 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 18:19:59 -0500, Nic <Nic@none.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/9/23 8:12 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
>>>>>>> With increasingly ubiquitous iPhones, internet, central air
>>>>>>> conditioning,
>>>>>>> flat-screen TVs, and indoor plumbing, few in the developed world
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> want to go back to life 100, 30, or even 10 years ago. Indeed,
>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> world, the last two centuries have brought vast improvements in
>>>>>>> material
>>>>>>> living standards; billions of people have been lifted from poverty,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> life expectancy across income levels has broadly risen. Most of
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> progress came from capitalist economies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet those economies are not without their problems. In the United
>>>>>>> States
>>>>>>> and the United Kingdom, the gap between the rich and poor has
>>>>>>> become
>>>>>>> intolerably large as business owners and highly educated workers in
>>>>>>> urban
>>>>>>> areas have become richer while workers’ wages in rural areas have
>>>>>>> stagnated. In most rich countries, more trade has brought a bigger,
>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>> variety of goods, but it has also displaced many jobs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With social instability in the form of mass protests, Brexit, the
>>>>>>> rise
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> populism, and deep polarization knocking at the capitalist
>>>>>>> economies’
>>>>>>> doors, much of the progress of the last several decades is in
>>>>>>> peril.
>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>> some pundits and policymakers, the solution is clear: socialism,
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> tends to be cited as a method for addressing everything from
>>>>>>> inequality
>>>>>>> and injustice to climate change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Allison Schrager is an economist, senior fellow at the Manhattan
>>>>>>> Institute, and co-founder of LifeCycle Finance Partners, LLC, a
>>>>>>> risk
>>>>>>> advisory firm. Twitter: @AllisonSchrager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/15/socialism-wont-work-capitalism-still-
>>>>>>> best/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why does my tax bill contain the school taxes. I have no children
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> plans for any children. Is this some kind of socialism that props up
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> education industry/unions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It all gets worse. The inexorable rise in gas & electricity prices
>>>>> reflect new consumption taxes.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, the ware in the Ukraines.
>>>>
>>>>> I'll bet anything!
>>>>
>>>> But you as such a piker you would never pay up.
>>>
>>> Wot with? I'm impecunious due to govt policies.
>>
>> Nope, because you can't compete with better operations.

> 1/ The great Ozzite buys stuff overseas made by very cheap labour.

They are clearly better operations than yours.

> Well, that's it!

Yep, you go broke, just what you deserve.

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From: rod.spee...@gmail.com (Rod Speed)
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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 12 Jan 2023 06:37 UTC

On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 16:41:24 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 12:25:41 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 11:28:37 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She actually got the boot because even Labor had noticed that
>>>>>> she had no chance of winning the upcoming elections. If we had
>>>>>> actually been stupid enough to have double the length of term,
>>>>>> we would have been stuck with that stupid cow for twice as long.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fuck that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tariffs, border restrictions etc have been around forever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So nothing INVENTIVE about them, dinosaur.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I never said so!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everyone can see that you did with taxation, liar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But I
>>>>>>>>>>> would extend control to airports where a $2000 departure tax
>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>> reduce the number of the idle poor throwing their money away at
>>>>>>>>>>> oversea's gypsies, then crying poor at the "cost of living".
>>>>
>>>> We aren't stupid enough to allow any govt tell us what we can do on
>>>> holiday.
>>>
>>> Surely any government can impose currency restrictions,
>>
>> Hardly any are actually stupid enough to do that anymore.
>>
>>> as they
>>> should,
>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
>>> especially since the Dear Great Unwashed...
>>
>>> 1/ Accept Oz wages and spend these on overseas goods.
>>
>> Because they aren't stupid enough to pay more for local shit like yours.
>>
>>> 2/ And travel to do it!
>>
>> And no govt is actually stupid enough to stop them doing
>> that unless there is lots of covid outside the country and
>> fuck all inside it.
>>
>>> Only the ignorant need a view!
>>
>> Only parasites need tariffs.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not a chance of that ever being politically feasible, fool.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See above, about populism.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Completely useless as always with your mindless dinosaur shit.

> Yawwwwwwwwn...

No surprise that no one wants any of the shit you produce
given that you spend all your time asleep at the wheel/machine.

> Why not have the police and army run by overseas agents.

Too far away to respond in a reasonable time with the cops.

> Much
> cheaper.

That's why we buy what they make.

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 12 Jan 2023 06:40 UTC

On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 16:53:23 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 08:28:12 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Nic <Nic@none.net> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>
>>>> We aren't stupid enough to allow any govt tell us what we can do on
>>>> holiday.
>>
>>> Did you have a Christmas party Dec. 25, 2021?
>>
>> What I have done about covid has nothing to do with any govt
>> and I have in fact been much safer than any govt required.
>>
>> And I am the only one I know who has not been infected as a result.

> Anthony Albanese claims his Labor Party is socialist.

They certainly pander to the union bludgers.

> Every day is Christmas

Hardly.

> never held a real job ever!

Repeating that stupid lie changes nothing.

> Dan Andrews had his teeth knocked out and several shades of shit
> kicked out of him after trying to hit on his sons 16 year old daughter
> daughter!
> <https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/11/daniel-andrews-injury-inside-the-conspiracy-theory-around-the-premiers-fall>
> https://tinyurl.com/yhddr93a

Just because some fool journo in that shit rag claims something...

> On 11 March – the day after the first Telegram posts – the website
> posted an article under the headline “Who bashed Dan Andrews?”. It
> claimed, again without basis, that the injuries suffered by the
> premier were “consistent with having been kicked while prone on the
> ground”.
> *************

Just because some fool journo in that shit rag claims something...

> Now the great Albanese follower of Whitlam
> <https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/the-pm-the-premier-and-a-billionaire-s-private-helicopter-what-albanese-did-at-the-weekend-20230109-p5cba5.html>
> https://tinyurl.com/2q4g6tcp
> Anthony Albanese has been accused of breaking his promise to run a
> “transparent” government amid revelations the prime minister was flown
> on a private helicopter owned by billionaire Lindsay Fox

Just because some fool journo in that shit rag claims something...

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 by: Daniel65 - Thu, 12 Jan 2023 09:53 UTC

Nic wrote on 11/1/23 10:19 am:
> On 1/9/23 8:12 PM, RichTravsky wrote:

<Snip>

>> Allison Schrager is an economist, senior fellow at the Manhattan
>> Institute, and co-founder of LifeCycle Finance Partners, LLC, a
>> risk advisory firm. Twitter: @AllisonSchrager
>>
>> https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/15/socialism-wont-work-capitalism-still-
>>
>>
>> best/
>
> Why does my tax bill contain the school taxes. I have no children and
> no plans for any children. Is this some kind of socialism that props
> up the education industry/unions?

Still paying for the education that you might have received as a
child/young adult, maybe!!
--
Daniel


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