On 29/11/2022 3:39 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 29/11/2022 2:41 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 29/11/2022 9:26 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 29/11/2022 6:12 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 28/11/2022 7:58 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 28/11/2022 6:27 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/11/2022 12:35 pm, yosemite sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Although Labor won majority government, they had their lowest
>>>>>>> primary vote since 1954! due no doubt to disregarding the welfare
>>>>>>> of their traditional voting base, the working class, by causing
>>>>>>> unnecessary hardship during the pandemic (loss of jobs,
>>>>>>> businesses, homes, etc.,) from the most severe lockdowns in the
>>>>>>> world! the action of an arrogant Premier pursuing his own self
>>>>>>> interest. (note: aus.politics ignored as it's full of lefty trolls)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Felix, I normally wouldnt have any form of reasonable discussion
>>>>>> with you, because you and I both know it will all end in tears,
>>>>>> with you running away hurling abuse over your shoulder, as
>>>>>> usual... but the Victorian election (this one) should be held up
>>>>>> as an example for all to witness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and before we start, I hate pollies. From ALL sides. With a
>>>>>> passion. As i've said previously. But it seems they are,
>>>>>> apparently, a necessary evil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The below is mostly my opinion only:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1: I sit here and wonder why Dan Andrews and his team (Dan and the
>>>>>> Deadshits) are permitted to publicly LIE about Matthew Guy and his
>>>>>> purported $1 billion health cuts. Since when has a planning
>>>>>> minister removed $1 billion from a health budget? ABC called it
>>>>>> out, but that didnt stop the lies in the Labor advertising...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2: what happened to the the young kid who was apparently hit by
>>>>>> Dans wife? he opened his mouth, and amazingly shut it real quick.
>>>>>> (Mate knows Snr Sgt at Mt Eliza... story goes Dan *was*
>>>>>> driving...pissed. no blood test taken from either. One may ask how
>>>>>> much the kid was paid to shut his mouth...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3: Dan's biggest burden... hiring his union mates (girl in Dans
>>>>>> ever burgeoning office suggested daddy's security company could do
>>>>>> it..., and the flogs went out for macca's runs, had sez with
>>>>>> people in quarantine. slept on the floor allowing those in
>>>>>> quarintine to escape..) and Dan suggested "he couldnt remember"
>>>>>> knocking back ADF help. He had "no recollection", "dont recall",
>>>>>> "not my purview"... but fronted up to a tv camera for 160+ days to
>>>>>> tell us how good they are reacting to the pandemic... Hung his
>>>>>> health minister out to dry, and she kept very quiet during the
>>>>>> election too. Amazing. Agreed to an "enquiry" where all real
>>>>>> questions were met with I dont remember. Should have been a  Royal
>>>>>> Commision, where you are caught out lieing, you go to jail. Hell,
>>>>>> dan got one happening for Crown Casino, under sufferance, but 800+
>>>>>> mothers, fathers, grandparents in aged care centres? nah a pissy
>>>>>> inquiry where we can answer "i dont remember" will do.... 6
>>>>>> lockdowns, they build a quarintine centre, and it's empty....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4: the underground rail loop. Anyone know how much that will cost?
>>>>>> Because by the time it starts, and by the time construction is
>>>>>> finished, they will need to rebuild it from the start again.
>>>>>> Surely a rail link to Tulla is sufficient while Ambulances sit in
>>>>>> hospital car parks. ore hospitals are more important than saving
>>>>>> 30 minutes to get to Tulla. Free Public transport would lower
>>>>>> congestion on our roads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I could go on and on, but what for? Victoria is saddled with a
>>>>>> power hungry megalomaniac for a further 4 years, and probably 8.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vic Liberal are done. One liberal suggested they were a car fire.
>>>>>> "why would you get in it?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> What staggers me is that so many people are actually gullible
>>>>> enough to believe his lies, the money Labor spent on election
>>>>> advertising must have been massive.
>>>>> My great great grandchildren will still be paying off Dans debt but
>>>>> no one seems to care enough to vote him out, utterly bizarre.
>>>>> Not surprised that Labor won but the margin does surprise me and
>>>>> makes me think that I must be missing something, only people I know
>>>>> that vote for him are CFMEU members, everyone else I know hates him
>>>>> so its a mystery who voted for him?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **What staggers me (and any other sane person) is why ANYONE would
>>>> consider allowing the religious nutters that have infected Victorian
>>>> Libs to ascend to government. Labor may not have been a great
>>>> choice, but the Libs are an unthinkable one.
>>>>
>>>
>>> LOL, think of this number, its the current Victorian debt, currently
>>> $99BILLION and climbing rapidly and estimated to be around
>>> $167BILLION by 2026.
>>
>> **Terrible. Did the Libs outline a way to reduce that debt, without
>> impacting the Victorian people?
>>
>>> Its more than the sum of TAS, NSW and QLD state debts combined.
>>> Still think that the the Vic Labor govt is OK?
>>
>> **Perhaps you failed to read what I VERY CLEARLY stated. Here it is
>> once more:
>>
>> "Labor may not have been a great choice, but the Libs are an
>> unthinkable one."
>>
>> Clear?
>
> I read what you said but I don't agree, ANYONE would be a better
> alternative to Dan Andrews Labor.

**Wrong. Scummo proved what can happen when the religious nutters run
the place. It's a big call, but Scummo was worse than that idiot Abbott.
Religion has no place in politics.

>>
>> Victorians are not, on whole, stupid. The Libs offered nothing but a
>> bunch of religious nutters and incompetents.
>>
>>> Apart from some conspiracy theory in a dodgy media there is no real
>>> evidence of "religious nutters infecting" the Vic Liberals.
>>
>> **Really?
>
> Yes really.
>>
>> https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/faith-no-more-fewer-christians-but-religion-still-haunts-politics-20221122-p5c0fo.html
>>
>>> I didn't vote for either but the drovers dog would be a better
>>> alternative to extremely corrupt Vic Labor and its insane debt.
>>
>> **Probably, but the Libs were no choice at all. Just look at the mess
>> the Libs made of Federal politics.
>>
>>
> See above, it would be impossible for anyone to be worse than Andrews.

**You don't know that. The religious nutter, Scummo, comprehensively
fucked up and fucked the Libs' chances at the next election. At least.

> A group of mum's who run a school canteen could do a better job than
> Andrews as would my Grandson's primary school class.

**So you say, but you don't know how bad the Libs' bunch of religious
nutters would have performed.

> The Liberals may be hopeless, they certainly didn't run much of a
> campaign but I'd rather see Jeff Kennett (who I hate) back as Premier,
> at least he's not a criminal controlled by the CFMEU.

**I suspect you may be right. Kennett has no time for religious nutters.
He would have ensured that the Libs would have exterminated the
religious vermin that have infested the Victorian Libs. As long as the
religious nutters are there, the Libs will remain in the wilderness.
They imagine that Australia is like the US, where religion is powerful.
Here in Australia, we view religious nutters for what they are: A waste
of oxygen.

On 11/29/2022 3:39 PM, Daryl wrote:
> On 29/11/2022 2:41 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 29/11/2022 9:26 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 29/11/2022 6:12 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 28/11/2022 7:58 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 28/11/2022 6:27 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/11/2022 12:35 pm, yosemite sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Although Labor won majority government, they had their lowest
>>>>>>> primary vote since 1954! due no doubt to disregarding the welfare
>>>>>>> of their traditional voting base, the working class, by causing
>>>>>>> unnecessary hardship during the pandemic (loss of jobs,
>>>>>>> businesses, homes, etc.,) from the most severe lockdowns in the
>>>>>>> world! the action of an arrogant Premier pursuing his own self
>>>>>>> interest. (note: aus.politics ignored as it's full of lefty trolls)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Felix, I normally wouldnt have any form of reasonable discussion
>>>>>> with you, because you and I both know it will all end in tears,
>>>>>> with you running away hurling abuse over your shoulder, as
>>>>>> usual... but the Victorian election (this one) should be held up
>>>>>> as an example for all to witness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and before we start, I hate pollies. From ALL sides. With a
>>>>>> passion. As i've said previously. But it seems they are,
>>>>>> apparently, a necessary evil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The below is mostly my opinion only:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1: I sit here and wonder why Dan Andrews and his team (Dan and the
>>>>>> Deadshits) are permitted to publicly LIE about Matthew Guy and his
>>>>>> purported $1 billion health cuts. Since when has a planning
>>>>>> minister removed $1 billion from a health budget? ABC called it
>>>>>> out, but that didnt stop the lies in the Labor advertising...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2: what happened to the the young kid who was apparently hit by
>>>>>> Dans wife? he opened his mouth, and amazingly shut it real quick.
>>>>>> (Mate knows Snr Sgt at Mt Eliza... story goes Dan *was*
>>>>>> driving...pissed. no blood test taken from either. One may ask how
>>>>>> much the kid was paid to shut his mouth...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3: Dan's biggest burden... hiring his union mates (girl in Dans
>>>>>> ever burgeoning office suggested daddy's security company could do
>>>>>> it..., and the flogs went out for macca's runs, had sez with
>>>>>> people in quarantine. slept on the floor allowing those in
>>>>>> quarintine to escape..) and Dan suggested "he couldnt remember"
>>>>>> knocking back ADF help. He had "no recollection", "dont recall",
>>>>>> "not my purview"... but fronted up to a tv camera for 160+ days to
>>>>>> tell us how good they are reacting to the pandemic... Hung his
>>>>>> health minister out to dry, and she kept very quiet during the
>>>>>> election too. Amazing. Agreed to an "enquiry" where all real
>>>>>> questions were met with I dont remember. Should have been a  Royal
>>>>>> Commision, where you are caught out lieing, you go to jail. Hell,
>>>>>> dan got one happening for Crown Casino, under sufferance, but 800+
>>>>>> mothers, fathers, grandparents in aged care centres? nah a pissy
>>>>>> inquiry where we can answer "i dont remember" will do.... 6
>>>>>> lockdowns, they build a quarintine centre, and it's empty....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4: the underground rail loop. Anyone know how much that will cost?
>>>>>> Because by the time it starts, and by the time construction is
>>>>>> finished, they will need to rebuild it from the start again.
>>>>>> Surely a rail link to Tulla is sufficient while Ambulances sit in
>>>>>> hospital car parks. ore hospitals are more important than saving
>>>>>> 30 minutes to get to Tulla. Free Public transport would lower
>>>>>> congestion on our roads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I could go on and on, but what for? Victoria is saddled with a
>>>>>> power hungry megalomaniac for a further 4 years, and probably 8.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vic Liberal are done. One liberal suggested they were a car fire.
>>>>>> "why would you get in it?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> What staggers me is that so many people are actually gullible
>>>>> enough to believe his lies, the money Labor spent on election
>>>>> advertising must have been massive.
>>>>> My great great grandchildren will still be paying off Dans debt but
>>>>> no one seems to care enough to vote him out, utterly bizarre.
>>>>> Not surprised that Labor won but the margin does surprise me and
>>>>> makes me think that I must be missing something, only people I know
>>>>> that vote for him are CFMEU members, everyone else I know hates him
>>>>> so its a mystery who voted for him?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **What staggers me (and any other sane person) is why ANYONE would
>>>> consider allowing the religious nutters that have infected Victorian
>>>> Libs to ascend to government. Labor may not have been a great
>>>> choice, but the Libs are an unthinkable one.
>>>>
>>>
>>> LOL, think of this number, its the current Victorian debt, currently
>>> $99BILLION and climbing rapidly and estimated to be around
>>> $167BILLION by 2026.
>>
>> **Terrible. Did the Libs outline a way to reduce that debt, without
>> impacting the Victorian people?
>>
>>> Its more than the sum of TAS, NSW and QLD state debts combined.
>>> Still think that the the Vic Labor govt is OK?
>>
>> **Perhaps you failed to read what I VERY CLEARLY stated. Here it is
>> once more:
>>
>> "Labor may not have been a great choice, but the Libs are an
>> unthinkable one."
>>
>> Clear?
>
> I read what you said but I don't agree, ANYONE would be a better
> alternative to Dan Andrews Labor.
>>
>> Victorians are not, on whole, stupid. The Libs offered nothing but a
>> bunch of religious nutters and incompetents.
>>
>>> Apart from some conspiracy theory in a dodgy media there is no real
>>> evidence of "religious nutters infecting" the Vic Liberals.
>>
>> **Really?
>
> Yes really.
>>
>> https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/faith-no-more-fewer-christians-but-religion-still-haunts-politics-20221122-p5c0fo.html
>>
>>> I didn't vote for either but the drovers dog would be a better
>>> alternative to extremely corrupt Vic Labor and its insane debt.
>>
>> **Probably, but the Libs were no choice at all. Just look at the mess
>> the Libs made of Federal politics.
>>
>>
> See above, it would be impossible for anyone to be worse than Andrews.
> A group of mum's who run a school canteen could do a better job than
> Andrews as would my Grandson's primary school class.
> The Liberals may be hopeless, they certainly didn't run much of a
> campaign but I'd rather see Jeff Kennett (who I hate) back as Premier,
> at least he's not a criminal controlled by the CFMEU.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

that`s the lieberals battle cry, (controlled by the unions) I thought
you might do better than that?. They sling the same line at the Fed`s
however Albanese and his crew just stare them down, and carry on....In
the right direction. (NPI)
>
>

On 28/11/2022 11:35 am, yosemite sam wrote:
>
> Although Labor won majority government, they had their lowest primary
> vote since 1954! due no doubt to disregarding the welfare of their
> traditional voting base, the working class, by causing unnecessary
> hardship during the pandemic (loss of jobs, businesses, homes, etc.,)
> from the most severe lockdowns in the world! the action of an arrogant
> Premier pursuing his own self interest. (note: aus.politics ignored as
> it's full of lefty trolls)
>
Come on guys, if you can't take a joke. you shouldn't live in Victoria.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 14:17:23 +1100, yosemite sam <felix@goaway.com> wrote:

> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 28/11/2022 12:35 pm, yosemite sam wrote:
>>>
>>> Although Labor won majority government, they had their lowest primary
>>> vote since 1954! due no doubt to disregarding the welfare of their
>>> traditional voting base, the working class, by causing unnecessary
>>> hardship during the pandemic (loss of jobs, businesses, homes, etc.,)
>>> from the most severe lockdowns in the world! the action of an arrogant
>>> Premier pursuing his own self interest. (note: aus.politics ignored as
>>> it's full of lefty trolls)
>>>
>>
>> **"The most severe lockdowns in the world"? Are you sure about that?
>
> it's been reported that Melbourne was the worlds most locked down city

By stupid journos.

In a few respects it was if you ignore what china did, but thats
mindlessly simplistic.

In other respects NZ was worse, no takeaways or commercial coffee for
example.

>> You need to get out more. Try visiting China. If you can.
>>
>
> no thanks

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 21:18:05 +1100, yosemite sam <felix@goaway.com> wrote:

> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 28/11/2022 2:17 pm, yosemite sam wrote:
>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 28/11/2022 12:35 pm, yosemite sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Although Labor won majority government, they had their lowest
>>>>> primary vote since 1954! due no doubt to disregarding the welfare of
>>>>> their traditional voting base, the working class, by causing
>>>>> unnecessary hardship during the pandemic (loss of jobs, businesses,
>>>>> homes, etc.,) from the most severe lockdowns in the world! the
>>>>> action of an arrogant Premier pursuing his own self interest. (note:
>>>>> aus.politics ignored as it's full of lefty trolls)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **"The most severe lockdowns in the world"? Are you sure about that?
>>>
>>> it's been reported that Melbourne was the worlds most locked down city
>>
>> **Are you saying that, like they did in Chinese cities, that Melbourne
>> authorities welded doors shut on apartment buildings?
>
> I'm saying what the media has said .. https://tinyurl.com/3tfe3u7k

Just because some fool journo says something...

>> I don't think so.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You need to get out more. Try visiting China. If you can.
>>>>
>>>
>>> no thanks
>>
>> **It doesn't matter. Unlike Melbourne, most of China is closed to
>> pretty much everyone.
>>
>> Claiming that Melbourne was the most locked down city on the planet is
>> just massive over-reach. Maybe it was the most locked down city in
>> Australia. Australia is not the whole world.
>>
>> Here's the thing about the approach taken by the Victorian government
>> (and other Australian state governments) WRT COVID:
>>
>> It worked! And very well. Examine the COVID infections and deaths up
>> until January 2022 for Melbourne and Miami (USA), where COVID
>> restrictions were extremely relaxed:
>>
>> Melbourne:
>>
>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=covid+cases+melbourne
>>
>> Miami:
>>
>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=covid+cases+miami
>>
>> OK, so, you'll say the death figures of Miami are somewhat higher than
>> Melbourne's. You'd be right. However, Melbourne's total population is
>> ELEVEN TIMES that of Miami.
>>
>> So, maybe the Victorian government was too tough.

> no maybe about it. there was no valid reason for the curfew for example,

Bullshit, that reduces the number of people stupidly moving
around for no good reason with the virus rampant.

> and many of the restrictions made no sense. like not being allowed to
> drive to the beach alone and go surfing alone, or sit in a tinney alone
> and fish.

You are hardy ever completely alone, most need to fill
with petrol, buy food and drink while they are out etc.

> so many others.

Bullshit.

> meanwhile ppl went crazy locked up in their homes. and what about ppl
> who weren't allowed to return to Victoria to see dying relatives?

That stops infected people bringing the virus with them.

> the only reason we had such draconian measures was so Andrews could
> boast he achieved the best result in the country.

He never did.

> too bad for him he didn't.

>> Maybe not. Either way, A LOT of lives were saved.

> at what cost? ppl suicided,

Fuck all ever did and those who did are no loss.

> lost their livelihood, businesses, homes.

Fuck all did.

> there was no balance with the measures. the only criteria was to avoid
> ppl making contact with each other at any cost.

Thats a lie too. You were still free to buy food, takeaways, coffee etc.

>> The early days of COVID required tough, rapid response.

> but not an insane one.

Nothing insane about it.

> why did Andrews reject military aid which was offered?just so his union
> mates could get the quarantine jobs.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

Fuck all of those were union goons.

>> The Victorian government did what was considered to be the right thing,
>> in the same way that the Florida government completely fucked up.

> it doesn't matter what Florida did that's irrelevant to us.

Not when you stupidly pig ignorantly lie about the most locked down city
in the world.

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 08:05:41 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 21:00:34 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 28/11/2022 7:40 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 28/11/2022 2:17 pm, yosemite sam wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Although Labor won majority government, they had their lowest
>>>>>> primary vote since 1954! due no doubt to disregarding the welfare of
>>>>>> their traditional voting base, the working class, by causing
>>>>>> unnecessary hardship during the pandemic (loss of jobs, businesses,
>>>>>> homes, etc.,) from the most severe lockdowns in the world! the
>>>>>> action of an arrogant Premier pursuing his own self interest. (note:
>>>>>> aus.politics ignored as it's full of lefty trolls)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **"The most severe lockdowns in the world"? Are you sure about that?
>>>>
>>>> it's been reported that Melbourne was the worlds most locked down city
>>>
>>> **Are you saying that, like they did in Chinese cities, that Melbourne
>>> authorities welded doors shut on apartment buildings?
>>>
>>> I don't think so.
>>
>> Neither do I. As usual, Felix has absolutely no idea what he's talking
>> about.
>>
>
> Been officially reported as true
> Guess who's coming to dinner
> https://ibb.co/QQjCXYC
>
> <https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/coronavirus/melbourne-passes-buenos-aires-record-as-the-worlds-most-lockeddown-city/news-story/c59ca9114ea99c930eca57568cd2df35>
> https://tinyurl.com/yjhtpu8z
> https://tinyurl.com/yjhtpu8z

Just because some fool journo claims something...

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 08:15:49 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 20:59:43 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 28/11/2022 1:47 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 28/11/2022 12:35 pm, yosemite sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Although Labor won majority government, they had their lowest primary
>>>> vote since 1954! due no doubt to disregarding the welfare of their
>>>> traditional voting base, the working class, by causing unnecessary
>>>> hardship during the pandemic (loss of jobs, businesses, homes, etc.,)
>>>> from the most severe lockdowns in the world! the action of an arrogant
>>>> Premier pursuing his own self interest. (note: aus.politics ignored as
>>>> it's full of lefty trolls)
>>>>
>>>
>>> **"The most severe lockdowns in the world"? Are you sure about that?
>>
>> Yeah, I think Felix has a problem with reality there. We had one of the
>> *longest* periods of lockdown, but most Severe? Get the fuck outa here.
>>
> Widely reported as fact
> <https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/coronavirus/melbourne-passes-buenos-aires-record-as-the-worlds-most-lockeddown-city/news-story/c59ca9114ea99c930eca57568cd2df35>
> https://tinyurl.com/yjhtpu8z

Only by some fuckwit journo.

> Melbourne passes Buenos Aires' record as the world's most locked-down
> city
> The Victorian capital has officially hit a world record as the most
> locked down city across the globe since the start of the pandemic

Another stupid lie. Nothing official about it.

> with
> infection rates soaring to unwanted highs.
> Melbourne has officially become the most locked down city in the world
> surpassing the record set by Argentinian capital, Buenos Aires at 245
> days.
> From Sunday 8pm, the state capital officially endured 246 days of
> restricted movement over six lockdowns since March 30, 2020.

There is much more involved than restricted movement, stupid.

>> People in China were being *welded* into their own homes....
>>
> Stop giving Dangerous Dan ideas
>>
>>> You need to get out more. Try visiting China. If you can.
>>
>> Why the fuck would you *want* to?
>>
> China's coming here
> Guess who's coming to dinner
> https://ibb.co/QQjCXYC

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 08:58:05 +1100, Ozix <ozix@xizo.am> wrote:

> Petzl wrote:
>>>
>> My nieghbours were trying to conceive.
>> They had the Covid VAX and husband believed he was made sterile!
>> But his wife became pregnant and gave birth.
>> The VAX just changed the babies colour.
>>
>
> Catching rona reduces sperm count:
> https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.27971

And getting vaccinated reduces the risk of getting a severe infection.

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 09:31:19 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote:

> On 29/11/2022 8:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>> On 29 Nov 2022 06:46:29 +1000, not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd
>> Kev) wrote:
>>
>>> In aus.legal Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So, maybe the Victorian government was too tough. Maybe not. Either
>>>> way,
>>>> A LOT of lives were saved.
>>>
>>> A lot more would have been saved if the state government hadn't
>>> been absolutely incompetent with the quarantine arrangements. They
>>> just proved themselves to be incapable of implementing anything
>>> practical, except for new restrictions which they left everyone
>>> else to make work. That and the premier's deft skill at dodging
>>> responsibility for his own decisions. The whole thing was bloody
>>> criminal, and also says a lot about what they're like with stuff
>>> that people aren't watching so closely.
>>>
>> My nieghbours were trying to conceive.
>> They had the Covid VAX and husband believed he was made sterile!
>> But his wife became pregnant and gave birth.
>> The VAX just changed the babies colour.
>
> ROTFL.
> Friend of my son is Sri Lankan and his skin is very dark, he married an
> Aussie girl, they had twin sons, at birth one was black the other white
> but by the time they were 3 yrs old their skin colours were pretty much
> identical

Thats only because they gave the black one the Jacko treatment
and the white one had boot polish applied hourly.

> so I wouldn't take too much notice of skin colour at birth.

Bet they did.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 18:26:35 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> On 28/11/2022 4:25 pm, yosemite sam wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 28/11/2022 2:17 pm, yosemite sam wrote:
>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 28/11/2022 12:35 pm, yosemite sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although Labor won majority government, they had their lowest
>>>>>> primary vote since 1954! due no doubt to disregarding the welfare
>>>>>> of their traditional voting base, the working class, by causing
>>>>>> unnecessary hardship during the pandemic (loss of jobs, businesses,
>>>>>> homes, etc.,) from the most severe lockdowns in the world! the
>>>>>> action of an arrogant Premier pursuing his own self interest.
>>>>>> (note: aus.politics ignored as it's full of lefty trolls)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **"The most severe lockdowns in the world"? Are you sure about that?
>>>>
>>>> it's been reported that Melbourne was the worlds most locked down city
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to get out more. Try visiting China. If you can.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> no thanks
>>>>
>>> Well, actually, in about 40 major Chinese cities, you won't be able to
>>> get out more, or at all. They lock you in to your apartment/building
>>> and *weld* the doors shut - just to make sure you don't wander. That
>>> can have disastrous consequences when a fire occurs, as it did
>>> recently in Urumqi.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfKlG-g2lNk
>>>
>>> And that leads to;
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdoyV8dRYwo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> yes, this has been on the news broadcasts

> Actually, very little has been on *local* media. I have been following
> the situation over in China for quite some time now and this has all
> been building up since the earliest days of Covid. Alas, I fear these
> protests are too little, too late. The CCP has a lot of control over the
> people these days.

> Expect another Tiananmen Square type event soon.

Not a chance, you watch.

On 29/11/2022 3:59 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 29/11/2022 3:39 pm, Daryl wrote:

>> I read what you said but I don't agree, ANYONE would be a better
>> alternative to Dan Andrews Labor.
>
> **Wrong. Scummo proved what can happen when the religious nutters run
> the place. It's a big call, but Scummo was worse than that idiot Abbott.
> Religion has no place in politics.

ROTFL :)

The Only Prime Minister we've ever had that was worse than Abbott was
Gillard. Unquestionably. Without a fucking doubt.

>> The Liberals may be hopeless, they certainly didn't run much of a
>> campaign but I'd rather see Jeff Kennett (who I hate) back as Premier,
>> at least he's not a criminal controlled by the CFMEU.
>
> **I suspect you may be right. Kennett has no time for religious nutters.
> He would have ensured that the Libs would have exterminated the
> religious vermin that have infested the Victorian Libs. As long as the
> religious nutters are there, the Libs will remain in the wilderness.
> They imagine that Australia is like the US, where religion is powerful.
> Here in Australia, we view religious nutters for what they are: A waste
> of oxygen.

Left wing Labor radicals are much the same :)

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On 29/11/2022 4:53 pm, jonz wrote:
> On 11/29/2022 3:39 PM, Daryl wrote:

>> See above, it would be impossible for anyone to be worse than Andrews.
>> A group of mum's who run a school canteen could do a better job than
>> Andrews as would my Grandson's primary school class.
>> The Liberals may be hopeless, they certainly didn't run much of a
>> campaign but I'd rather see Jeff Kennett (who I hate) back as Premier,
>> at least he's not a criminal controlled by the CFMEU.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
>
> that`s the lieberals battle cry, (controlled by the unions) I thought
> you might do better than that?. They sling the same line at the Fed`s
> however Albanese and his crew just stare them down, and carry on....In
> the right direction. (NPI)

Really?

"Albo" has been in six months now. He made lots of grand claims, but
apart from jetting all over the world and getting lots of happy snaps of
himself shaking hands with world leaders, what has he actually *done*?

His promised anti corruption bill has only just got through the Senate
after being watered down somewhat at the insistence of the Greens, and
for the life of me I simply cannot see any merit whatsoever in his
proposed IR reforms, or how anyone could think abolishing a building
construction watchdog and handing control back to the unions is a good
idea.

Unless, of course, you're a unionist and have Albo in the big chair
batting for you :)

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Noddy.

On 29/11/2022 4:53 pm, jonz wrote:
> On 11/29/2022 3:39 PM, Daryl wrote:
>> On 29/11/2022 2:41 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 29/11/2022 9:26 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 29/11/2022 6:12 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 28/11/2022 7:58 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/11/2022 6:27 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>> On 28/11/2022 12:35 pm, yosemite sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Although Labor won majority government, they had their lowest
>>>>>>>> primary vote since 1954! due no doubt to disregarding the
>>>>>>>> welfare of their traditional voting base, the working class, by
>>>>>>>> causing unnecessary hardship during the pandemic (loss of jobs,
>>>>>>>> businesses, homes, etc.,) from the most severe lockdowns in the
>>>>>>>> world! the action of an arrogant Premier pursuing his own self
>>>>>>>> interest. (note: aus.politics ignored as it's full of lefty trolls)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Felix, I normally wouldnt have any form of reasonable discussion
>>>>>>> with you, because you and I both know it will all end in tears,
>>>>>>> with you running away hurling abuse over your shoulder, as
>>>>>>> usual... but the Victorian election (this one) should be held up
>>>>>>> as an example for all to witness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and before we start, I hate pollies. From ALL sides. With a
>>>>>>> passion. As i've said previously. But it seems they are,
>>>>>>> apparently, a necessary evil.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The below is mostly my opinion only:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1: I sit here and wonder why Dan Andrews and his team (Dan and
>>>>>>> the Deadshits) are permitted to publicly LIE about Matthew Guy
>>>>>>> and his purported $1 billion health cuts. Since when has a
>>>>>>> planning minister removed $1 billion from a health budget? ABC
>>>>>>> called it out, but that didnt stop the lies in the Labor
>>>>>>> advertising...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2: what happened to the the young kid who was apparently hit by
>>>>>>> Dans wife? he opened his mouth, and amazingly shut it real quick.
>>>>>>> (Mate knows Snr Sgt at Mt Eliza... story goes Dan *was*
>>>>>>> driving...pissed. no blood test taken from either. One may ask
>>>>>>> how much the kid was paid to shut his mouth...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3: Dan's biggest burden... hiring his union mates (girl in Dans
>>>>>>> ever burgeoning office suggested daddy's security company could
>>>>>>> do it..., and the flogs went out for macca's runs, had sez with
>>>>>>> people in quarantine. slept on the floor allowing those in
>>>>>>> quarintine to escape..) and Dan suggested "he couldnt remember"
>>>>>>> knocking back ADF help. He had "no recollection", "dont recall",
>>>>>>> "not my purview"... but fronted up to a tv camera for 160+ days
>>>>>>> to tell us how good they are reacting to the pandemic... Hung his
>>>>>>> health minister out to dry, and she kept very quiet during the
>>>>>>> election too. Amazing. Agreed to an "enquiry" where all real
>>>>>>> questions were met with I dont remember. Should have been a
>>>>>>> Royal Commision, where you are caught out lieing, you go to jail.
>>>>>>> Hell, dan got one happening for Crown Casino, under sufferance,
>>>>>>> but 800+ mothers, fathers, grandparents in aged care centres? nah
>>>>>>> a pissy inquiry where we can answer "i dont remember" will do....
>>>>>>> 6 lockdowns, they build a quarintine centre, and it's empty....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4: the underground rail loop. Anyone know how much that will
>>>>>>> cost? Because by the time it starts, and by the time construction
>>>>>>> is finished, they will need to rebuild it from the start again.
>>>>>>> Surely a rail link to Tulla is sufficient while Ambulances sit in
>>>>>>> hospital car parks. ore hospitals are more important than saving
>>>>>>> 30 minutes to get to Tulla. Free Public transport would lower
>>>>>>> congestion on our roads.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I could go on and on, but what for? Victoria is saddled with
>>>>>>> a power hungry megalomaniac for a further 4 years, and probably 8.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vic Liberal are done. One liberal suggested they were a car fire.
>>>>>>> "why would you get in it?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What staggers me is that so many people are actually gullible
>>>>>> enough to believe his lies, the money Labor spent on election
>>>>>> advertising must have been massive.
>>>>>> My great great grandchildren will still be paying off Dans debt
>>>>>> but no one seems to care enough to vote him out, utterly bizarre.
>>>>>> Not surprised that Labor won but the margin does surprise me and
>>>>>> makes me think that I must be missing something, only people I
>>>>>> know that vote for him are CFMEU members, everyone else I know
>>>>>> hates him so its a mystery who voted for him?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **What staggers me (and any other sane person) is why ANYONE would
>>>>> consider allowing the religious nutters that have infected
>>>>> Victorian Libs to ascend to government. Labor may not have been a
>>>>> great choice, but the Libs are an unthinkable one.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LOL, think of this number, its the current Victorian debt, currently
>>>> $99BILLION and climbing rapidly and estimated to be around
>>>> $167BILLION by 2026.
>>>
>>> **Terrible. Did the Libs outline a way to reduce that debt, without
>>> impacting the Victorian people?
>>>
>>>> Its more than the sum of TAS, NSW and QLD state debts combined.
>>>> Still think that the the Vic Labor govt is OK?
>>>
>>> **Perhaps you failed to read what I VERY CLEARLY stated. Here it is
>>> once more:
>>>
>>> "Labor may not have been a great choice, but the Libs are an
>>> unthinkable one."
>>>
>>> Clear?
>>
>> I read what you said but I don't agree, ANYONE would be a better
>> alternative to Dan Andrews Labor.
>>>
>>> Victorians are not, on whole, stupid. The Libs offered nothing but a
>>> bunch of religious nutters and incompetents.
>>>
>>>> Apart from some conspiracy theory in a dodgy media there is no real
>>>> evidence of "religious nutters infecting" the Vic Liberals.
>>>
>>> **Really?
>>
>> Yes really.
>>>
>>> https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/faith-no-more-fewer-christians-but-religion-still-haunts-politics-20221122-p5c0fo.html
>>>
>>>> I didn't vote for either but the drovers dog would be a better
>>>> alternative to extremely corrupt Vic Labor and its insane debt.
>>>
>>> **Probably, but the Libs were no choice at all. Just look at the mess
>>> the Libs made of Federal politics.
>>>
>>>
>> See above, it would be impossible for anyone to be worse than Andrews.
>> A group of mum's who run a school canteen could do a better job than
>> Andrews as would my Grandson's primary school class.
>> The Liberals may be hopeless, they certainly didn't run much of a
>> campaign but I'd rather see Jeff Kennett (who I hate) back as Premier,
>> at least he's not a criminal controlled by the CFMEU.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
>
> that`s the lieberals battle cry, (controlled by the unions) I thought
> you might do better than that?.

On 29/11/2022 5:05 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 28/11/2022 11:35 am, yosemite sam wrote:
>>
>> Although Labor won majority government, they had their lowest primary
>> vote since 1954! due no doubt to disregarding the welfare of their
>> traditional voting base, the working class, by causing unnecessary
>> hardship during the pandemic (loss of jobs, businesses, homes, etc.,)
>> from the most severe lockdowns in the world! the action of an arrogant
>> Premier pursuing his own self interest. (note: aus.politics ignored as
>> it's full of lefty trolls)
>>
> Come on guys, if you can't take a joke. you shouldn't live in Victoria.

ROTFL.
Its funny in that Andrews reminds me of Joh Belke Peterson, a very
popular crook:-)

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On 29/11/2022 8:05 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 09:31:19 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 29/11/2022 8:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> On 29 Nov 2022 06:46:29 +1000, not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd
>>> Kev) wrote:
>>>
>>>> In aus.legal Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So, maybe the Victorian government was too tough. Maybe not. Either
>>>>> way,
>>>>> A LOT of lives were saved.
>>>>
>>>> A lot more would have been saved if the state government hadn't
>>>> been absolutely incompetent with the quarantine arrangements. They
>>>> just proved themselves to be incapable of implementing anything
>>>> practical, except for new restrictions which they left everyone
>>>> else to make work. That and the premier's deft skill at dodging
>>>> responsibility for his own decisions. The whole thing was bloody
>>>> criminal, and also says a lot about what they're like with stuff
>>>> that people aren't watching so closely.
>>>>
>>> My nieghbours were trying to conceive.
>>> They had the Covid VAX and husband believed he was made sterile!
>>> But his wife became pregnant and gave birth.
>>> The VAX just changed the babies colour.
>>
>> ROTFL.
>> Friend of my son is Sri Lankan and his skin is very dark, he married
>> an Aussie girl, they had twin sons, at birth one was black the other
>> white but by the time they were 3 yrs old their skin colours were
>> pretty much identical
>
> Thats only because they gave the black one the Jacko treatment
> and the white one had boot polish applied hourly.

LOL.
>
>> so I wouldn't take too much notice of skin colour at birth.
>
> Bet they did.

They sure did at the time but it didn't last.

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On 29/11/2022 9:03 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 29/11/2022 4:53 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 11/29/2022 3:39 PM, Daryl wrote:
>
>>> See above, it would be impossible for anyone to be worse than Andrews.
>>> A group of mum's who run a school canteen could do a better job than
>>> Andrews as would my Grandson's primary school class.
>>> The Liberals may be hopeless, they certainly didn't run much of a
>>> campaign but I'd rather see Jeff Kennett (who I hate) back as
>>> Premier, at least he's not a criminal controlled by the CFMEU.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
>>
>> that`s the lieberals battle cry, (controlled by the unions) I thought
>> you might do better than that?. They sling the same line at the Fed`s
>> however Albanese and his crew just stare them down, and carry on....In
>> the right direction. (NPI)
>
> Really?
>
> "Albo" has been in six months now. He made lots of grand claims, but
> apart from jetting all over the world and getting lots of happy snaps of
> himself shaking hands with world leaders, what has he actually *done*?

Not much at all, funny thing is he's acting more like a typical Liberal
leader so far in that he is moving very slowly.
>
> His promised anti corruption bill has only just got through the Senate
> after being watered down somewhat at the insistence of the Greens, and
> for the life of me I simply cannot see any merit whatsoever in his
> proposed IR reforms, or how anyone could think abolishing a building
> construction watchdog and handing control back to the unions is a good
> idea.

Sounds like he is in bed with Andrews and the CFMEU which as we know in
Vic is a very costly thing.

--
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Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 14:17:23 +1100, yosemite sam <felix@goaway.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 28/11/2022 12:35 pm, yosemite sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Although Labor won majority government, they had their lowest
>>>> primary vote since 1954! due no doubt to disregarding the welfare
>>>> of their traditional voting base, the working class, by causing
>>>> unnecessary hardship during the pandemic (loss of jobs, businesses,
>>>> homes, etc.,) from the most severe lockdowns in the world! the
>>>> action of an arrogant Premier pursuing his own self interest.
>>>> (note: aus.politics ignored as it's full of lefty trolls)
>>>>
>>>
>>> **"The most severe lockdowns in the world"? Are you sure about that?
>>
>> it's been reported that Melbourne was the worlds most locked down city
>
> By stupid journos.

fact according to the statistics

>
> In a few respects it was if you ignore what china did, but thats
> mindlessly simplistic.
>
> In other respects NZ was worse, no takeaways or commercial coffee for
> example.
>
>>> You need to get out more. Try visiting China. If you can.
>>>
>>
>> no thanks

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FUCK PUTIN!!

On 29/11/2022 8:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 29/11/2022 3:59 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 29/11/2022 3:39 pm, Daryl wrote:
>
>>> I read what you said but I don't agree, ANYONE would be a better
>>> alternative to Dan Andrews Labor.
>>
>> **Wrong. Scummo proved what can happen when the religious nutters run
>> the place. It's a big call, but Scummo was worse than that idiot
>> Abbott. Religion has no place in politics.
>
> ROTFL :)
>
> The Only Prime Minister we've ever had that was worse than Abbott was
> Gillard. Unquestionably. Without a fucking doubt.

**One of your more ignorant claims. Unlike Abbott, Gillard got a lot of
stuff done. Good stuff too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Gillard#Domestic_policies

Unlike Abbott, whose only accomplishment was to abolish the 'carbon
tax/ETS'. Which was a waste of time, effort and money, as we now have to
re-implement to policy anyway.

>
>>> The Liberals may be hopeless, they certainly didn't run much of a
>>> campaign but I'd rather see Jeff Kennett (who I hate) back as
>>> Premier, at least he's not a criminal controlled by the CFMEU.
>>
>> **I suspect you may be right. Kennett has no time for religious
>> nutters. He would have ensured that the Libs would have exterminated
>> the religious vermin that have infested the Victorian Libs. As long as
>> the religious nutters are there, the Libs will remain in the
>> wilderness. They imagine that Australia is like the US, where religion
>> is powerful. Here in Australia, we view religious nutters for what
>> they are: A waste of oxygen.
>
> Left wing Labor radicals are much the same :)

**Not even remotely.

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Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote:
> On 29/11/2022 5:05 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 28/11/2022 11:35 am, yosemite sam wrote:
>>>
>>> Although Labor won majority government, they had their lowest primary
>>> vote since 1954! due no doubt to disregarding the welfare of their
>>> traditional voting base, the working class, by causing unnecessary
>>> hardship during the pandemic (loss of jobs, businesses, homes, etc.,)
>>> from the most severe lockdowns in the world! the action of an arrogant
>>> Premier pursuing his own self interest. (note: aus.politics ignored as
>>> it's full of lefty trolls)
>>>
>> Come on guys, if you can't take a joke. you shouldn't live in Victoria.
>
>
> ROTFL.
> Its funny in that Andrews reminds me of Joh Belke Peterson, a very
> popular crook:-)
>

What do you believe is crooked about Dan ?

yosemite sam <felix@goaway.com> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 14:17:23 +1100, yosemite sam <felix@goaway.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 28/11/2022 12:35 pm, yosemite sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Although Labor won majority government, they had their lowest
>>>>> primary vote since 1954! due no doubt to disregarding the welfare
>>>>> of their traditional voting base, the working class, by causing
>>>>> unnecessary hardship during the pandemic (loss of jobs, businesses,
>>>>> homes, etc.,) from the most severe lockdowns in the world! the
>>>>> action of an arrogant Premier pursuing his own self interest.
>>>>> (note: aus.politics ignored as it's full of lefty trolls)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **"The most severe lockdowns in the world"? Are you sure about that?
>>>
>>> it's been reported that Melbourne was the worlds most locked down city
>>
>> By stupid journos.
>
> fact according to the statistics

Bullshit
>
>>
>> In a few respects it was if you ignore what china did, but thats
>> mindlessly simplistic.
>>
>> In other respects NZ was worse, no takeaways or commercial coffee for
>> example.
>>
>>>> You need to get out more. Try visiting China. If you can.
>>>>
>>>
>>> no thanks
>
>

On 30/11/2022 8:52 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote:
>> On 29/11/2022 5:05 pm, keithr0 wrote:

>>> Come on guys, if you can't take a joke. you shouldn't live in Victoria.
>>
>>
>> ROTFL.
>> Its funny in that Andrews reminds me of Joh Belke Peterson, a very
>> popular crook:-)
>>
>
> What do you believe is crooked about Dan ?

Are you fucking kidding?

Red shirts affair?
Hotel Quarantine disaster?
125 *billion* dollar train tunnel?
Ambulance wait times resulting in patient deaths?

When was the last time you ever saw a sitting Premier face *5* anti
corruption inquiries?

The man should be impeached.

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Regards,
Noddy.

Petzl wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 13:00:25 +1100, yosemite sam <felix@goaway.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Petzl wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 12:34:31 +1100, yosemite sam <felix@goaway.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Petzl wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 12:35:40 +1100, yosemite sam <felix@goaway.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Although Labor won majority government, they had their lowest primary
>>>>>> vote since 1954! due no doubt to disregarding the welfare of their
>>>>>> traditional voting base, the working class, by causing unnecessary
>>>>>> hardship during the pandemic (loss of jobs, businesses, homes, etc.,)
>>>>> >from the most severe lockdowns in the world! the action of an arrogant
>>>>>> Premier pursuing his own self interest. (note: aus.politics ignored as
>>>>>> it's full of lefty trolls)
>>>>> Albanese Labor the same.
>>>>> Labor have found a way to fudge preferences
>>>>> Guess who's coming to dinner
>>>>> https://ibb.co/QQjCXYC
>>>> good one!  :)
>>>>
>>> Labor in both federal and state are not getting first preference votes
>>> so manipulating preferences need to be looked at particularly in
>>> "close" seats.
>> Labors primary vote in the Northern and Western suburbs was down by 33%
>>
> So who's voting or giving preference for Labor?

https://www.vec.vic.gov.au/results/2022-state-election-results

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On 30/11/2022 8:52 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote:
>> On 29/11/2022 5:05 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 28/11/2022 11:35 am, yosemite sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Although Labor won majority government, they had their lowest primary
>>>> vote since 1954! due no doubt to disregarding the welfare of their
>>>> traditional voting base, the working class, by causing unnecessary
>>>> hardship during the pandemic (loss of jobs, businesses, homes, etc.,)
>>>> from the most severe lockdowns in the world! the action of an arrogant
>>>> Premier pursuing his own self interest. (note: aus.politics ignored as
>>>> it's full of lefty trolls)
>>>>
>>> Come on guys, if you can't take a joke. you shouldn't live in Victoria.
>>
>>
>> ROTFL.
>> Its funny in that Andrews reminds me of Joh Belke Peterson, a very
>> popular crook:-)
>>
>
> What do you believe is crooked about Dan ?
>

Everything, billions are being spent to keep his union mates in "very
well paid jobs" resulting in eye watering state debt which is currently
$99billion and rising at an alarming rate.
Trouble is he's a clever crook and so far despite numerous corruption
inquires nothing is yet to stick.
He sacked 160 small school cleaning contractors and gave the contracts
to 4 large corporations, the reason which came directly from the mouth
of the union secretary is that employees of small business are less
likely to be union members whereas employees of larger companies are
more likely so.
He gave the reason for the change as "wage theft" but apart from one of
the 160 small contractors no other evidence of wage theft was found so
it was nothing but corrupt behavior to favor his union colleagues who
fund his party.

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On 29 Nov 2022 21:52:08 GMT, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote:
>> On 29/11/2022 5:05 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 28/11/2022 11:35 am, yosemite sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Although Labor won majority government, they had their lowest primary
>>>> vote since 1954! due no doubt to disregarding the welfare of their
>>>> traditional voting base, the working class, by causing unnecessary
>>>> hardship during the pandemic (loss of jobs, businesses, homes, etc.,)
>>>> from the most severe lockdowns in the world! the action of an arrogant
>>>> Premier pursuing his own self interest. (note: aus.politics ignored as
>>>> it's full of lefty trolls)
>>>>
>>> Come on guys, if you can't take a joke. you shouldn't live in Victoria.
>>
>>
>> ROTFL.
>> Its funny in that Andrews reminds me of Joh Belke Peterson, a very
>> popular crook:-)
>
>What do you believe is crooked about Dan ?
>
Smells when the Majors are getting under 40% in primary voting yet
getting elected. Dan got 38% of the vote in Victoria.
<https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/did-the-polls-get-it-right-experts-give-their-verdict-20221127-p5c1nh.html>
https://tinyurl.com/2pzzhk8s
What they target is tight.marginal electorates and rig the
preferences.
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Voting Coalition, Labor or "Greens" because you hate One Nation is like eating shit because you hate spinach

ALWAYS Vote fiefdom oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
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Pauline Hanson's Please Explain Episode 24 Voter Fraud

On 11/29/2022 10:15 PM, Daryl wrote:
> On 29/11/2022 9:03 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 29/11/2022 4:53 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 11/29/2022 3:39 PM, Daryl wrote:
>>
>>>> See above, it would be impossible for anyone to be worse than Andrews.
>>>> A group of mum's who run a school canteen could do a better job than
>>>> Andrews as would my Grandson's primary school class.
>>>> The Liberals may be hopeless, they certainly didn't run much of a
>>>> campaign but I'd rather see Jeff Kennett (who I hate) back as
>>>> Premier, at least he's not a criminal controlled by the CFMEU.
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
>>>
>>> that`s the lieberals battle cry, (controlled by the unions) I thought
>>> you might do better than that?. They sling the same line at the Fed`s
>>> however Albanese and his crew just stare them down, and carry
>>> on....In the right direction. (NPI)
>>
>> Really?
>>
>> "Albo" has been in six months now. He made lots of grand claims, but
>> apart from jetting all over the world and getting lots of happy snaps
>> of himself shaking hands with world leaders, what has he actually *done*?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Making himself known to the world, a very good idea I think.
>
> Not much at all, funny thing is he's acting more like a typical Liberal
> leader so far in that he is moving very slowly.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

'Moving very slowly?', they`ve been in power for a whole *six months*!
The other mob were there nine years and managed fuck all. Submarines
anyone?. (Pandemic management excepted.) As for union affiliation they
were, (ALP) after all founded on the premise of betterment of the
working man so unionism from day one. (CFMMEU, in particular, is a big
supporter of the labor left.)

>>
>> His promised anti corruption bill has only just got through the Senate
>> after being watered down somewhat at the insistence of the Greens,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Shows a *willingness* to discuss and *listen* to other groups, a good
way to be!.

and
>> for the life of me I simply cannot see any merit whatsoever in his
>> proposed IR reforms

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

David Pocock`s amendments have got rid of a few sharp edges!. Once again
Labor are prepared to *listen*.. Definitely *not* open slather like
*work (no) choices* Remember that?.

or how anyone could think abolishing a building
>> construction watchdog and handing control back to the unions is a good
>> idea.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"The ABCC has always operated as a taxpayer funded arm of the Liberal
party. Set up to attack workers and their unions and deliver a political
dividend to the liberal party and their *building developer donors*"

Dave Noonan, CFMMEU
>
> Sounds like he is in bed with Andrews and the CFMEU which as we know in
> Vic is a very costly thing.
>
>