<https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/transport-secretary-grant-shapps-goahead-hs2-station-old-oak-common-b942082.html>

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps has given the go-ahead to work to start on
the HS2 station at Old Oak Common in west London.

The Cabinet minister will visit the site which will support more than 2,300
jobs and be the UK’s largest railway station built in a single stage.

Mr Shapps said: “The start of permanent works at the largest train station
ever built in the UK in one go, Old Oak Common, marks yet more progress in
delivering HS2, the high-speed, high-capacity and low-carbon railway that
will form the backbone of our national transport network.

“This ‘super hub’ station shows our Plan for Jobs in action – kickstarting
major regeneration, creating 2,300 jobs and 250 apprenticeships in
construction – and underlines this Government’s determination to build back
better.”

The launch of permanent works at the 32-acre site will involve a
1.1-mile-long wall being built underground as part of the installation of
six HS2 platforms.

HS2 Ltd said the station will offer “unrivalled connectivity”, with six HS2
platforms for services to the Midlands and the North, four Crossrail
platforms, and four mainline rail platforms served by trains to and from
the South West and South Wales.

The station will feature a roof covering the area of more than three
football pitches.

In message <saupug$ks$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:04:32 on Wed, 23 Jun 2021,
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
><https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/transport-secretary-grant-sha
>pps-goahead-hs2-station-old-oak-common-b942082.html>
>
>Transport Secretary Grant Shapps has given the go-ahead to work to start on
>the HS2 station at Old Oak Common in west London.
>
>The Cabinet minister will visit the site which will support more than 2,300
>jobs and be the UK’s largest railway station built in a single stage.
>
>Mr Shapps said: “The start of permanent works at the largest train station

oops

>ever built in the UK in one go, Old Oak Common, marks yet more progress
>in delivering HS2, the high-speed, high-capacity and low-carbon railway
>that will form the backbone of our national transport network.
>
>“This ‘super hub’ station shows our Plan for Jobs in action –
>kickstarting
>major regeneration, creating 2,300 jobs and 250 apprenticeships in
>construction – and underlines this Government’s determination to build back
>better.”
>
>The launch of permanent works at the 32-acre site will involve a
>1.1-mile-long wall being built underground as part of the installation of
>six HS2 platforms.
>
>HS2 Ltd said the station will offer “unrivalled connectivity”, with six HS2
>platforms for services to the Midlands and the North, four Crossrail
>platforms, and four mainline rail platforms served by trains to and from
>the South West and South Wales.
>
>The station will feature a roof covering the area of more than three
>football pitches.

We have quite small football pitches at our local school, did he mention
any particular kind of football pitch? cf *Olympic* swimming pools,
rather than something in a persons' back garden.
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:50:22 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
wrote:

>In message <saupug$ks$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:04:32 on Wed, 23 Jun 2021,
>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:

>>Mr Shapps said: “The start of permanent works at the largest train station
>
>oops

You split off the qualifier:

>>ever built in the UK in one go,

With this, that's an accurate statement. There are larger stations than
Old Oak Common will be, but they were all repeatedly extended and
rebuilt over the years in the course of reaching their present size. OAC
will be the largest newbuild station ever constructed.

>>The station will feature a roof covering the area of more than three
>>football pitches.
>
>We have quite small football pitches at our local school, did he mention
>any particular kind of football pitch? cf *Olympic* swimming pools,
>rather than something in a persons' back garden.

One would presume, in the absence of any qualification, that he means a
standard FIFA sized pitch. For which there is a handy online unit
converter for those who would prefer it in terms of Olympic swimming
pools:

https://www.theregister.com/Design/page/reg-standards-converter.html

Mark

In message <rq76dg1if8jsq7imvbi8o04tjg36g6lfvg@4ax.com>, at 12:52:03 on
Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
remarked:
>On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:50:22 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <saupug$ks$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:04:32 on Wed, 23 Jun 2021,
>>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>
>>>Mr Shapps said: “The start of permanent works at the largest train station
>>
>>oops
>
>You split off the qualifier:
>
>>>ever built in the UK in one go,

I'm not sure that helps the "train station vs railway station" police.

--
Roland Perry

Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:50:22 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> In message <saupug$ks$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:04:32 on Wed, 23 Jun 2021,
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>
>
>>> The station will feature a roof covering the area of more than three
>>> football pitches.
>>
>> We have quite small football pitches at our local school, did he mention
>> any particular kind of football pitch? cf *Olympic* swimming pools,
>> rather than something in a persons' back garden.
>
> One would presume, in the absence of any qualification, that he means a
> standard FIFA sized pitch. For which there is a handy online unit
> converter for those who would prefer it in terms of Olympic swimming
> pools:
>
> https://www.theregister.com/Design/page/reg-standards-converter.html

Sorry, no - the Olympic-sized swimming pool is a unit of volume, not area,
so can’t be readily converted from a football pitch.

Sam

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On 23/06/2021 14:23, Sam Wilson wrote:
> Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:50:22 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <saupug$ks$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:04:32 on Wed, 23 Jun 2021,
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>
>>
>>>> The station will feature a roof covering the area of more than three
>>>> football pitches.
>>>
>>> We have quite small football pitches at our local school, did he mention
>>> any particular kind of football pitch? cf *Olympic* swimming pools,
>>> rather than something in a persons' back garden.
>>
>> One would presume, in the absence of any qualification, that he means a
>> standard FIFA sized pitch. For which there is a handy online unit
>> converter for those who would prefer it in terms of Olympic swimming
>> pools:
>>
>> https://www.theregister.com/Design/page/reg-standards-converter.html
>
> Sorry, no - the Olympic-sized swimming pool is a unit of volume, not area,
> so can’t be readily converted from a football pitch.
>

Sorry, yes. The length and width are prescribed. The depth ain't. So
it has a known area but no known volume.

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reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

In message <savckp$tbr$4@dont-email.me>, at 13:23:37 on Wed, 23 Jun
2021, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:50:22 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <saupug$ks$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:04:32 on Wed, 23 Jun 2021,
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>
>>
>>>> The station will feature a roof covering the area of more than three
>>>> football pitches.
>>>
>>> We have quite small football pitches at our local school, did he mention
>>> any particular kind of football pitch? cf *Olympic* swimming pools,
>>> rather than something in a persons' back garden.
>>
>> One would presume, in the absence of any qualification, that he means a
>> standard FIFA sized pitch. For which there is a handy online unit
>> converter for those who would prefer it in terms of Olympic swimming
>> pools:
>>
>> https://www.theregister.com/Design/page/reg-standards-converter.html
>
>Sorry, no - the Olympic-sized swimming pool is a unit of volume, not area,
>so can’t be readily converted from a football pitch.

It's never been clear from the context if Olympic swimming pool volume
is just the water, or also the air/spectator space above. Give that the
former is very hard for the casual observer to estimate (even without
the diffraction element because the bottom slopes), but the latter very
easy.
--
Roland Perry

On 23/06/2021 15:23, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <savckp$tbr$4@dont-email.me>, at 13:23:37 on Wed, 23 Jun
> 2021, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>> Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:50:22 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <saupug$ks$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:04:32 on Wed, 23 Jun
>>>> 2021,
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> The station will feature a roof covering the area of more than three
>>>>> football pitches.
>>>>
>>>> We have quite small football pitches at our local school, did he
>>>> mention
>>>> any particular kind of football pitch? cf *Olympic* swimming pools,
>>>> rather than something in a persons' back garden.
>>>
>>> One would presume, in the absence of any qualification, that he means a
>>> standard FIFA sized pitch. For which there is a handy online unit
>>> converter for those who would prefer it in terms of Olympic swimming
>>> pools:
>>>
>>> https://www.theregister.com/Design/page/reg-standards-converter.html
>>
>> Sorry, no - the Olympic-sized swimming pool is a unit of volume, not
>> area,
>> so can’t be readily converted from a football pitch.
>
> It's never been clear from the context if Olympic swimming pool volume
> is just the water, or also the air/spectator space above. Give that the
> former is very hard for the casual observer to estimate (even without
> the diffraction element because the bottom slopes), but the latter very
> easy.

Olympic swimming pools generally don't slope but do vary (between pools)
in depth, 3 metres being typical.

On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 13:20:58 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
wrote:

>In message <rq76dg1if8jsq7imvbi8o04tjg36g6lfvg@4ax.com>, at 12:52:03 on
>Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
>remarked:
>>On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:50:22 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In message <saupug$ks$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:04:32 on Wed, 23 Jun 2021,
>>>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>
>>>>Mr Shapps said: “The start of permanent works at the largest train station
>>>
>>>oops
>>
>>You split off the qualifier:
>>
>>>>ever built in the UK in one go,
>
>I'm not sure that helps the "train station vs railway station" police.

I'm not sure that's a hill I'm willing to die on, even though I
generally use the latter. The English language isn't consistent in this
respect. I catch a bus at a bus station, a tram at a tram station, and
an underground train at a tube station. So it's not unreasonable to
catch a train at a train station.

On the other hand, though, I don't catch a space at a space station. Or
a play at a Playstation.

Mark

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <savckp$tbr$4@dont-email.me>, at 13:23:37 on Wed, 23 Jun
> 2021, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>> Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:50:22 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <saupug$ks$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:04:32 on Wed, 23 Jun 2021,
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> The station will feature a roof covering the area of more than three
>>>>> football pitches.
>>>>
>>>> We have quite small football pitches at our local school, did he mention
>>>> any particular kind of football pitch? cf *Olympic* swimming pools,
>>>> rather than something in a persons' back garden.
>>>
>>> One would presume, in the absence of any qualification, that he means a
>>> standard FIFA sized pitch. For which there is a handy online unit
>>> converter for those who would prefer it in terms of Olympic swimming
>>> pools:
>>>
>>> https://www.theregister.com/Design/page/reg-standards-converter.html
>>
>> Sorry, no - the Olympic-sized swimming pool is a unit of volume, not area,
>> so can’t be readily converted from a football pitch.
>
> It's never been clear from the context if Olympic swimming pool volume
> is just the water, or also the air/spectator space above. Give that the
> former is very hard for the casual observer to estimate (even without
> the diffraction element because the bottom slopes), but the latter very
> easy.

If you bothered to use the convertor above you’d find that 1 Olympic-sized
swimming pool is very close to 2500 m^3, or 50 m x 25 m x 2 m, so if you
think you could get the water and the spectators in that volume, carry on.
I’d rather go somewhere more roomy.

Sam

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In message <savujr$4ns$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:30:19 on Wed, 23 Jun
2021, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <savckp$tbr$4@dont-email.me>, at 13:23:37 on Wed, 23 Jun
>> 2021, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>> Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:50:22 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In message <saupug$ks$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:04:32 on Wed, 23 Jun 2021,
>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> The station will feature a roof covering the area of more than three
>>>>>> football pitches.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have quite small football pitches at our local school, did he mention
>>>>> any particular kind of football pitch? cf *Olympic* swimming pools,
>>>>> rather than something in a persons' back garden.
>>>>
>>>> One would presume, in the absence of any qualification, that he means a
>>>> standard FIFA sized pitch. For which there is a handy online unit
>>>> converter for those who would prefer it in terms of Olympic swimming
>>>> pools:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.theregister.com/Design/page/reg-standards-converter.html
>>>
>>> Sorry, no - the Olympic-sized swimming pool is a unit of volume, not area,
>>> so can’t be readily converted from a football pitch.
>>
>> It's never been clear from the context if Olympic swimming pool volume
>> is just the water, or also the air/spectator space above. Give that the
>> former is very hard for the casual observer to estimate (even without
>> the diffraction element because the bottom slopes), but the latter very
>> easy.
>
>If you bothered to use the convertor above

I doubt people reach for such calculators when reading articles in the
popular press.

>you’d find that 1 Olympic-sized
>swimming pool is very close to 2500 m^3, or 50 m x 25 m x 2 m, so if you
>think you could get the water and the spectators in that volume, carry on.
>I’d rather go somewhere more roomy.

--
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In message <dil6dgl61c6k8n66savq2itahnkruu4tqk@4ax.com>, at 17:40:25 on
Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
remarked:
>On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 13:20:58 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <rq76dg1if8jsq7imvbi8o04tjg36g6lfvg@4ax.com>, at 12:52:03 on
>>Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
>>remarked:
>>>On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:50:22 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>In message <saupug$ks$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:04:32 on Wed, 23 Jun 2021,
>>>>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>
>>>>>Mr Shapps said: “The start of permanent works at the largest train station
>>>>
>>>>oops
>>>
>>>You split off the qualifier:
>>>
>>>>>ever built in the UK in one go,
>>
>>I'm not sure that helps the "train station vs railway station" police.
>
>I'm not sure that's a hill I'm willing to die on, even though I
>generally use the latter.

It's something people seem to get quite het up about from time to time,
though.

>The English language isn't consistent in this respect. I catch a bus at
>a bus station, a tram at a tram station, and an underground train at a
>tube station.

Actually, I think the 'tube' is the tunnel, thus a 'tube train' is what
you catch from one station to another.

>So it's not unreasonable to catch a train at a train station.

Lots of bus companies agree, by using "Train Station" as a destination.

>On the other hand, though, I don't catch a space at a space station. Or
>a play at a Playstation.
>
>Mark

--
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Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <dil6dgl61c6k8n66savq2itahnkruu4tqk@4ax.com>, at 17:40:25 on
> Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
> remarked:
>> On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 13:20:58 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <rq76dg1if8jsq7imvbi8o04tjg36g6lfvg@4ax.com>, at 12:52:03 on
>>> Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
>>> remarked:
>>>> On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:50:22 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In message <saupug$ks$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:04:32 on Wed, 23 Jun 2021,
>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>>> Mr Shapps said: “The start of permanent works at the largest train station
>>>>>
>>>>> oops
>>>>
>>>> You split off the qualifier:
>>>>
>>>>>> ever built in the UK in one go,
>>>
>>> I'm not sure that helps the "train station vs railway station" police.
>>
>> I'm not sure that's a hill I'm willing to die on, even though I
>> generally use the latter.
>
> It's something people seem to get quite het up about from time to time,
> though.
>
>> The English language isn't consistent in this respect. I catch a bus at
>> a bus station, a tram at a tram station, and an underground train at a
>> tube station.
>
> Actually, I think the 'tube' is the tunnel, thus a 'tube train' is what
> you catch from one station to another.
>
>> So it's not unreasonable to catch a train at a train station.
>
> Lots of bus companies agree, by using "Train Station" as a destination.
>

In one part of the United Kingdom it seems to be the accepted term for a
new build.

https://www.rmi.uk.com/our_projects/newry-train-station/

GH

On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 06:29:48 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
wrote:

>In message <dil6dgl61c6k8n66savq2itahnkruu4tqk@4ax.com>, at 17:40:25 on
>Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
>remarked:
>>On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 13:20:58 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In message <rq76dg1if8jsq7imvbi8o04tjg36g6lfvg@4ax.com>, at 12:52:03 on
>>>Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
>>>remarked:
>>>>On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:50:22 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In message <saupug$ks$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:04:32 on Wed, 23 Jun 2021,
>>>>>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>>>Mr Shapps said: “The start of permanent works at the largest train station
>>>>>
>>>>>oops
>>>>
>>>>You split off the qualifier:
>>>>
>>>>>>ever built in the UK in one go,
>>>
>>>I'm not sure that helps the "train station vs railway station" police.
>>
>>I'm not sure that's a hill I'm willing to die on, even though I
>>generally use the latter.
>
>It's something people seem to get quite het up about from time to time,
>though.
>
>>The English language isn't consistent in this respect. I catch a bus at
>>a bus station, a tram at a tram station, and an underground train at a
>>tube station.
>
None of my three local stations where you catch an Underground train
are tube stations; one isn't even an LU station. Most don't get
described with a qualifier anyway, people go to "the station" with the
railway version being implicit and bus stations being a relatively
rare exception.

>Actually, I think the 'tube' is the tunnel, thus a 'tube train' is what
>you catch from one station to another.
>
>>So it's not unreasonable to catch a train at a train station.
>
>Lots of bus companies agree, by using "Train Station" as a destination.
>
>>On the other hand, though, I don't catch a space at a space station. Or
>>a play at a Playstation.
>>
>>Mark

Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <dil6dgl61c6k8n66savq2itahnkruu4tqk@4ax.com>, at 17:40:25 on
>> Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
>> remarked:
>>> So it's not unreasonable to catch a train at a train station.
>>
>> Lots of bus companies agree, by using "Train Station" as a destination.
>>
>
> In one part of the United Kingdom it seems to be the accepted term for a
> new build.
>
> https://www.rmi.uk.com/our_projects/newry-train-station/

Not just new built; it’s fairly common, though not universal, on signage.
My connection to Google is playing up or I’d show you a Street View link to
the sign outside Holywood Train Station between Belfast and Bangor.

Sam

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In message <78b8dgtaumgvdu586ft2r1r8clusr1musl@4ax.com>, at 08:03:31 on
Thu, 24 Jun 2021, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
remarked:
>On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 06:29:48 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <dil6dgl61c6k8n66savq2itahnkruu4tqk@4ax.com>, at 17:40:25 on
>>Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
>>remarked:
>>>On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 13:20:58 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>In message <rq76dg1if8jsq7imvbi8o04tjg36g6lfvg@4ax.com>, at 12:52:03 on
>>>>Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
>>>>remarked:
>>>>>On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:50:22 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In message <saupug$ks$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:04:32 on Wed, 23 Jun 2021,
>>>>>>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mr Shapps said: “The start of permanent works at the largest
>>>>>>>train station
>>>>>>
>>>>>>oops
>>>>>
>>>>>You split off the qualifier:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>ever built in the UK in one go,
>>>>
>>>>I'm not sure that helps the "train station vs railway station" police.
>>>
>>>I'm not sure that's a hill I'm willing to die on, even though I
>>>generally use the latter.
>>
>>It's something people seem to get quite het up about from time to time,
>>though.
>>
>>>The English language isn't consistent in this respect. I catch a bus at
>>>a bus station, a tram at a tram station, and an underground train at a
>>>tube station.
>>
>None of my three local stations where you catch an Underground train
>are tube stations; one isn't even an LU station.

It's fairly commonplace for Londoners to refer to the entire network as
"the tube", although Overground is a little after my time so I don't
know if its morphed to include that as well.

>Most don't get described with a qualifier anyway, people go to "the
>station" with the railway version being implicit and bus stations being
>a relatively rare exception.

And plod often goes "to the station". In the case of BTP, doubly so.

>>Actually, I think the 'tube' is the tunnel, thus a 'tube train' is what
>>you catch from one station to another.
>>
>>>So it's not unreasonable to catch a train at a train station.
>>
>>Lots of bus companies agree, by using "Train Station" as a destination.
>>
>>>On the other hand, though, I don't catch a space at a space station. Or
>>>a play at a Playstation.
>>>
>>>Mark

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In message <sb1f74$m1c$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:19:48 on Thu, 24 Jun
2021, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <dil6dgl61c6k8n66savq2itahnkruu4tqk@4ax.com>, at 17:40:25 on
>>> Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
>>> remarked:
>>>> So it's not unreasonable to catch a train at a train station.
>>>
>>> Lots of bus companies agree, by using "Train Station" as a destination.
>>>
>>
>> In one part of the United Kingdom it seems to be the accepted term for a
>> new build.
>>
>> https://www.rmi.uk.com/our_projects/newry-train-station/
>
>Not just new built; it’s fairly common, though not universal, on signage.
>My connection to Google is playing up or I’d show you a Street View link to
>the sign outside Holywood Train Station between Belfast and Bangor.

I've been to Hollywood, but the one south of Dublin. I don't think it
has a railway station.
--
Roland Perry

On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 09:17:15 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
wrote:

>In message <78b8dgtaumgvdu586ft2r1r8clusr1musl@4ax.com>, at 08:03:31 on
>Thu, 24 Jun 2021, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
>remarked:
>>On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 06:29:48 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In message <dil6dgl61c6k8n66savq2itahnkruu4tqk@4ax.com>, at 17:40:25 on
>>>Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
>>>remarked:
>>>>On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 13:20:58 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In message <rq76dg1if8jsq7imvbi8o04tjg36g6lfvg@4ax.com>, at 12:52:03 on
>>>>>Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
>>>>>remarked:
>>>>>>On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:50:22 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In message <saupug$ks$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:04:32 on Wed, 23 Jun 2021,
>>>>>>>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Mr Shapps said: “The start of permanent works at the largest
>>>>>>>>train station
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>oops
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You split off the qualifier:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>ever built in the UK in one go,
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm not sure that helps the "train station vs railway station" police.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not sure that's a hill I'm willing to die on, even though I
>>>>generally use the latter.
>>>
>>>It's something people seem to get quite het up about from time to time,
>>>though.
>>>
>>>>The English language isn't consistent in this respect. I catch a bus at
>>>>a bus station, a tram at a tram station, and an underground train at a
>>>>tube station.
>>>
>>None of my three local stations where you catch an Underground train
>>are tube stations; one isn't even an LU station.
>
>It's fairly commonplace for Londoners to refer to the entire network as
>"the tube", although Overground is a little after my time so I don't
>know if its morphed to include that as well.
>
Apparently not. Those who don't understand anything not labelled
"Underground" will quite happily ignore an Overground train on a
Sunday (which will take them to Queens Park where they will usually
cross the platform onto a waiting tube train which leaves almost
immediately afterward) and wait 10-15min for a following tube train.

>>Most don't get described with a qualifier anyway, people go to "the
>>station" with the railway version being implicit and bus stations being
>>a relatively rare exception.
>
>And plod often goes "to the station". In the case of BTP, doubly so.
>
Ditto fire and ambulance when in their own contexts.

>>>Actually, I think the 'tube' is the tunnel, thus a 'tube train' is what
>>>you catch from one station to another.
>>>
>>>>So it's not unreasonable to catch a train at a train station.
>>>
>>>Lots of bus companies agree, by using "Train Station" as a destination.
>>>
>>>>On the other hand, though, I don't catch a space at a space station. Or
>>>>a play at a Playstation.
>>>>
>>>>Mark

On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 09:36:26 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
wrote:

>In message <sb1f74$m1c$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:19:48 on Thu, 24 Jun
>2021, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <dil6dgl61c6k8n66savq2itahnkruu4tqk@4ax.com>, at 17:40:25 on
>>>> Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
>>>> remarked:
>>>>> So it's not unreasonable to catch a train at a train station.
>>>>
>>>> Lots of bus companies agree, by using "Train Station" as a destination.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In one part of the United Kingdom it seems to be the accepted term for a
>>> new build.
>>>
>>> https://www.rmi.uk.com/our_projects/newry-train-station/
>>
>>Not just new built; it’s fairly common, though not universal, on signage.
>>My connection to Google is playing up or I’d show you a Street View link to
>>the sign outside Holywood Train Station between Belfast and Bangor.
>
>I've been to Hollywood, but the one south of Dublin. I don't think it
>has a railway station.
>
Google Maps can't even find a bus stop/service for it, never mind a
station.

Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:

> My connection to Google is playing up or I’d show you a Street View link to
> the sign outside Holywood Train Station between Belfast and Bangor.
>
> Sam
>

Not just me then, that is why I had to find an image rather than give a
Streetview link.
I would be using an Ipad and ISTR this has happened before after an I.O.S
update, usually seems to get get fixed after a few days.

GH

Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 09:36:26 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> In message <sb1f74$m1c$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:19:48 on Thu, 24 Jun
>> 2021, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>> Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <dil6dgl61c6k8n66savq2itahnkruu4tqk@4ax.com>, at 17:40:25 on
>>>>> Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>> So it's not unreasonable to catch a train at a train station.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lots of bus companies agree, by using "Train Station" as a destination.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In one part of the United Kingdom it seems to be the accepted term for a
>>>> new build.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.rmi.uk.com/our_projects/newry-train-station/
>>>
>>> Not just new built; it’s fairly common, though not universal, on signage.
>>> My connection to Google is playing up or I’d show you a Street View link to
>>> the sign outside Holywood Train Station between Belfast and Bangor.
>>
>> I've been to Hollywood, but the one south of Dublin. I don't think it
>> has a railway station.
>>
> Google Maps can't even find a bus stop/service for it, never mind a
> station.
>

<https://goo.gl/maps/X166n1dsKeb2LSz38>

Sam

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Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> My connection to Google is playing up or I’d show you a Street View link to
>> the sign outside Holywood Train Station between Belfast and Bangor.
>>
>> Sam
>>
>
> Not just me then, that is why I had to find an image rather than give a
> Streetview link.
> I would be using an Ipad and ISTR this has happened before after an I.O.S
> update, usually seems to get get fixed after a few days.

Currently I’ver got intermittent Internet connectivity, which may or may
not be down to the iPad - the wired desktop doesn’t have the same problem
but neither does my WiFi phone - but I can’t get Google Maps to share a
Street View image, though normal map images are OK.

Sam

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Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <dil6dgl61c6k8n66savq2itahnkruu4tqk@4ax.com>, at 17:40:25 on
>>> Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
>>> remarked:
>>>> So it's not unreasonable to catch a train at a train station.
>>>
>>> Lots of bus companies agree, by using "Train Station" as a destination.
>>>
>>
>> In one part of the United Kingdom it seems to be the accepted term for a
>> new build.
>>
>> https://www.rmi.uk.com/our_projects/newry-train-station/
>
> Not just new built; it’s fairly common, though not universal, on signage.
> My connection to Google is playing up or I’d show you a Street View link to
> the sign outside Holywood Train Station between Belfast and Bangor.
>

Found it. It's amazing how unlike a British railway/train station it looks:
the colours, font, lack of arrows-of-indecision.

In message <n4h8dgde88ckom4siior6htle2kq0u8br7@4ax.com>, at 09:48:39 on
Thu, 24 Jun 2021, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
remarked:

>>And plod often goes "to the station". In the case of BTP, doubly so.
>>
>Ditto fire and ambulance when in their own contexts.

I don't have personal experience of those, but in the USA I think it's
called "the House".
--
Roland Perry

On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 09:12:36 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
<ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:

>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 09:36:26 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <sb1f74$m1c$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:19:48 on Thu, 24 Jun
>>> 2021, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <dil6dgl61c6k8n66savq2itahnkruu4tqk@4ax.com>, at 17:40:25 on
>>>>>> Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
>>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>>> So it's not unreasonable to catch a train at a train station.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lots of bus companies agree, by using "Train Station" as a destination.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In one part of the United Kingdom it seems to be the accepted term for a
>>>>> new build.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.rmi.uk.com/our_projects/newry-train-station/
>>>>
>>>> Not just new built; it?s fairly common, though not universal, on signage.
>>>> My connection to Google is playing up or I?d show you a Street View link to
>>>> the sign outside Holywood Train Station between Belfast and Bangor.
>>>
>>> I've been to Hollywood, but the one south of Dublin. I don't think it
>>> has a railway station.
>>>
>> Google Maps can't even find a bus stop/service for it, never mind a
>> station.
>>
>
><https://goo.gl/maps/X166n1dsKeb2LSz38>
>
??
Looks like an aerial farm.