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libraries to include, modify it a bit and hit program"

Clocky on NASA 18 Mar 2022
"Oh, and btw... if you worked for NASA how is it thay you are seemingly
oblivious to Commodore Amigas used at NASA"

On 3/02/2023 10:50 pm, Keithr0 wrote:

> https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-mounts-a-plastic-brake-cover-up/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner

They've always been cheap. Their fit and finish is appalling and the
quality of their materials feels like it's sourced from K-mart. But this
is just taking the piss. Maybe they *are* going to the wall after all :)

On another subject, perhaps you could enlighten me about something.
What's this about?

> "What, you copy and paste code into a sketch in Arduino, select the libraries to include, modify it a bit and hit program"

You cite this as a quote from Jerky Birko in your sig and I'm not sure
why, for as far as Arduino goes that's exactly what you do.

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Noddy wrote:
> On 3/02/2023 10:50 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>
>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-mounts-a-plastic-brake-cover-up/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>>
>
> They've always been cheap. Their fit and finish is appalling and the
> quality of their materials feels like it's sourced from K-mart. But
> this is just taking the piss. Maybe they *are* going to the wall after
> all :)
>
>
> On another subject, perhaps you could enlighten me about something.
> What's this about?
>
>> "What, you copy and paste code into a sketch in Arduino, select the
>> libraries to include, modify it a bit and hit program"
>
> You cite this as a quote from Jerky Birko in your sig and I'm not sure
> why, for as far as Arduino goes that's exactly what you do.
>
>

if you didn't block ppl you would know. idiot!

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On 3/2/2023 11:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 3/02/2023 10:50 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>
>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-mounts-a-plastic-brake-cover-up/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>
> They've always been cheap. Their fit and finish is appalling and the
> quality of their materials feels like it's sourced from K-mart. But this
> is just taking the piss. Maybe they *are* going to the wall after all :)
>
>
> On another subject, perhaps you could enlighten me about something.
> What's this about?
>
>> "What, you copy and paste code into a sketch in Arduino, select the
>> libraries to include, modify it a bit and hit program"
>
> You cite this as a quote from Jerky Birko in your sig and I'm not sure
> why, for as far as Arduino goes that's exactly what you do.
>
A little reality check here Darren.

The above applies only if you use the standard Arduino IDE. That is most
definitely *not* the only way you can program the Arduino and, at a
guess, I'd say it is the one that provides the coder with many limitations.

Just a few alternative IDEs are B4R, Eclipse Arduino IDE, Microsoft
Visual studio, Microchip Studio and, particularly on Macs, PlatformIO.

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 3/02/2023 9:04 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 3/2/2023 11:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 3/02/2023 10:50 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-mounts-a-plastic-brake-cover-up/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>>>
>>
>> They've always been cheap. Their fit and finish is appalling and the
>> quality of their materials feels like it's sourced from K-mart. But
>> this is just taking the piss. Maybe they *are* going to the wall after
>> all :)
>>
>>
>> On another subject, perhaps you could enlighten me about something.
>> What's this about?
>>
>>> "What, you copy and paste code into a sketch in Arduino, select the
>>> libraries to include, modify it a bit and hit program"
>>
>> You cite this as a quote from Jerky Birko in your sig and I'm not sure
>> why, for as far as Arduino goes that's exactly what you do.
>>
> A little reality check here Darren.
>
> The above applies only if you use the standard Arduino IDE. That is most
> definitely *not* the only way you can program the Arduino and, at a
> guess, I'd say it is the one that provides the coder with many limitations.
>

Actually, you're showing your limitations because your guess is
completely wrong.

When was the last time you programmed an Arduino?

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Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
proven liar."

On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."

On 3/02/2023 8:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 3/02/2023 10:50 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>
>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-mounts-a-plastic-brake-cover-up/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>>
>
> They've always been cheap. Their fit and finish is appalling and the
> quality of their materials feels like it's sourced from K-mart. But this
> is just taking the piss. Maybe they *are* going to the wall after all :)
>
>
> On another subject, perhaps you could enlighten me about something.
> What's this about?
>
>> "What, you copy and paste code into a sketch in Arduino, select the
>> libraries to include, modify it a bit and hit program"
>
> You cite this as a quote from Jerky Birko in your sig and I'm not sure
> why, for as far as Arduino goes that's exactly what you do.
>
>

Keith doesn't like to be shown up as a fool... yet I did exactly that on
both of the occasions he's put in his own sig, which is quite absurd -
but OK if he wants to prove to the world that he's a dumbarse then
that's fine by me.

My sig OTOH proves keith thinks you are lying about your claims of being
qualified etc. since they remain unproven. They are his words.

It also proves he lied when he said I lied. He said what he said and
*everyone* can see that for themselves.

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Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
proven liar."

On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."

On 3/02/2023 11:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 3/02/2023 10:50 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>
>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-mounts-a-plastic-brake-cover-up/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>
> They've always been cheap. Their fit and finish is appalling and the
> quality of their materials feels like it's sourced from K-mart.

**That bad? I've looked at a few Teslas. The Chinese built ones are very
good indeed. The US built ones are not so good. Mind you: No were near
as bad as my neighbour's Mustang. A mate's Mustang is worse. Truly
shitfully badly built cars. AND, they scream CHEAP.

But this
> is just taking the piss. Maybe they *are* going to the wall after all :)

**Not just yet:

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobiles/Tesla-earns-8-times-more-profit-than-Toyota-per-car

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On 4/02/2023 4:39 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 3/02/2023 11:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 3/02/2023 10:50 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-mounts-a-plastic-brake-cover-up/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>>
>> They've always been cheap. Their fit and finish is appalling and the
>> quality of their materials feels like it's sourced from K-mart.
>
> **That bad? I've looked at a few Teslas. The Chinese built ones are very
> good indeed. The US built ones are not so good.

You must be looking at different ones to me, as we only get the Chinese
one here and their fit and finish is appalling.

> Mind you: No were near as bad as my neighbour's Mustang. A mate's Mustang is worse. Truly
> shitfully badly built cars. AND, they scream CHEAP.

You could probably say that about a few cars today, but we were talking
about Tesla's and Mustangs don't have anything to do with them.

>  But this
>> is just taking the piss. Maybe they *are* going to the wall after all :)
>
> **Not just yet:
>
> https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobiles/Tesla-earns-8-times-more-profit-than-Toyota-per-car

Stories about their financial situation seem to vary from day to day and
source to source. One minute they're making record profits, and the next
they're filing for bankruptcy protection :)

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Regards,
Noddy.

Noddy wrote:
> On 4/02/2023 4:39 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 3/02/2023 11:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 3/02/2023 10:50 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-mounts-a-plastic-brake-cover-up/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>>>>
>>>
>>> They've always been cheap. Their fit and finish is appalling and the
>>> quality of their materials feels like it's sourced from K-mart.
>>
>> **That bad? I've looked at a few Teslas. The Chinese built ones are
>> very good indeed. The US built ones are not so good.
>
> You must be looking at different ones to me, as we only get the
> Chinese one here and their fit and finish is appalling.

I doubt that very much. you've probably never even seen one

>
>> Mind you: No were near as bad as my neighbour's Mustang. A mate's
>> Mustang is worse. Truly shitfully badly built cars. AND, they scream
>> CHEAP.
>
> You could probably say that about a few cars today, but we were
> talking about Tesla's and Mustangs don't have anything to do with them.

but you never have understood the concept of conversation and discussion

>
>>   But this
>>> is just taking the piss. Maybe they *are* going to the wall after
>>> all :)
>>
>> **Not just yet:
>>
>> https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobiles/Tesla-earns-8-times-more-profit-than-Toyota-per-car
>>
>
> Stories about their financial situation seem to vary from day to day
> and source to source. One minute they're making record profits, and
> the next they're filing for bankruptcy protection :)
>
>

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On 3/02/2023 10:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 3/02/2023 10:50 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>
>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-mounts-a-plastic-brake-cover-up/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>
> They've always been cheap. Their fit and finish is appalling and the
> quality of their materials feels like it's sourced from K-mart. But this
> is just taking the piss. Maybe they *are* going to the wall after all :)
>
>
> On another subject, perhaps you could enlighten me about something.
> What's this about?
>
>> "What, you copy and paste code into a sketch in Arduino, select the
>> libraries to include, modify it a bit and hit program"
>
> You cite this as a quote from Jerky Birko in your sig and I'm not sure
> why, for as far as Arduino goes that's exactly what you do.

Taking some code that somebody else wrote and plugging it into an
Arduino is to programming what changing a plug is to being a mechanic,
or doing a paint by numbers is to being an artist. It's just monkey see
monkey do. I asked him to do a task that he couldn't just copy off
YouTube and he went off his brain, he's been trying to justify his
stupidity ever since.

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"What, you copy and paste code into a sketch in Arduino, select the
libraries to include, modify it a bit and hit program"

Clocky on NASA 18 Mar 2022
"Oh, and btw... if you worked for NASA how is it thay you are seemingly
oblivious to Commodore Amigas used at NASA"

On 3/2/2023 10:50 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
> https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-mounts-a-plastic-brake-cover-up/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>
Pretty appalling to think that they thought anyone would be impressed by
that.
Might not be roadworthy in Victoria where they apparently don't like red
brake calipers:-)

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On 4/02/2023 5:40 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 4/02/2023 4:39 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 3/02/2023 11:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 3/02/2023 10:50 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-mounts-a-plastic-brake-cover-up/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>>>>
>>>
>>> They've always been cheap. Their fit and finish is appalling and the
>>> quality of their materials feels like it's sourced from K-mart.
>>
>> **That bad? I've looked at a few Teslas. The Chinese built ones are
>> very good indeed. The US built ones are not so good.
>
> You must be looking at different ones to me, as we only get the Chinese
> one here and their fit and finish is appalling.
>
>> Mind you: No were near as bad as my neighbour's Mustang. A mate's
>> Mustang is worse. Truly shitfully badly built cars. AND, they scream
>> CHEAP.
>
> You could probably say that about a few cars today, but we were talking
> about Tesla's and Mustangs don't have anything to do with them.
>

They are cars being built today, of course it is relevant.

Mustangs are appallingly bad and cheaply made, you don't want to discuss
that because it's a Ford and you are a fanboi of their junk.

>>   But this
>>> is just taking the piss. Maybe they *are* going to the wall after all :)
>>
>> **Not just yet:
>>
>> https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobiles/Tesla-earns-8-times-more-profit-than-Toyota-per-car
>>
>
> Stories about their financial situation seem to vary from day to day and
> source to source. One minute they're making record profits, and the next
> they're filing for bankruptcy protection :)
>
>

Reality check here, liar.

On one occasion Musk said that Tesla had been 3 days away from
bankruptcy... back in 2008.

The only thing unstable here is you.

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In thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Sept 23 2021 11:15:59am
Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
proven liar."

On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."

Keithr0 wrote:
> https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-mounts-a-plastic-brake-cover-up/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>
>

Tesla once proposed going to drum brakes, saying the regenerative
braking didn't require discs. I guess they copped flack over that so
instead did shrinkflation on the rear discs.

On 4/2/2023 12:58 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 3/02/2023 9:04 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 3/2/2023 11:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 3/02/2023 10:50 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-mounts-a-plastic-brake-cover-up/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>>>
>>> They've always been cheap. Their fit and finish is appalling and the
>>> quality of their materials feels like it's sourced from K-mart. But
>>> this is just taking the piss. Maybe they *are* going to the wall
>>> after all :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On another subject, perhaps you could enlighten me about something.
>>> What's this about?
>>>
>>>> "What, you copy and paste code into a sketch in Arduino, select the
>>>> libraries to include, modify it a bit and hit program"
>>>
>>> You cite this as a quote from Jerky Birko in your sig and I'm not
>>> sure why, for as far as Arduino goes that's exactly what you do.
>>>
>> A little reality check here Darren.
>>
>> The above applies only if you use the standard Arduino IDE. That is
>> most definitely *not* the only way you can program the Arduino and, at
>> a guess, I'd say it is the one that provides the coder with many
>> limitations.
>>
>
>
> Actually, you're showing your limitations because your guess is
> completely wrong.
>
> When was the last time you programmed an Arduino?
>
About 5 or 6 years ago.

Hmm, I recall seeing my kit a month or so back, maybe I should drag it
out and become reacquainted with it.

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On 4/02/2023 9:32 am, Keithr0 wrote:
> On 3/02/2023 10:00 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> On another subject, perhaps you could enlighten me about something.
>> What's this about?
>>
>>> "What, you copy and paste code into a sketch in Arduino, select the
>>> libraries to include, modify it a bit and hit program"
>>
>> You cite this as a quote from Jerky Birko in your sig and I'm not sure
>> why, for as far as Arduino goes that's exactly what you do.
>
> Taking some code that somebody else wrote and plugging it into an
> Arduino is to programming what changing a plug is to being a mechanic,
> or doing a paint by numbers is to being an artist. It's just monkey see
> monkey do.

So, by your logic anyone who can play a guitar but never writes a song
themselves is just a copycat?

It's not writing code from scratch to control the auto pilot on the
space shuttle certainly, but it *is* programming nonetheless. It is
formulating a series of instructions and compiling them in such a way to
make the events occur that you want to occur, and while it may not be
much more complicated than writing an elaborate batch file it's *still*
programming in the most basic sense.

The simplicity of Arduino is what makes it popular, which is a concept
you seem incapable of grasping. It allows people like me for example,
who have little to no real programming experience, to put together
packages that work, and for some reason you seem threatened by that or
think it's "not real" because I didn't spend 17 years in a dark room
wearing a beige cardigan eating digestive biscuits learning how to
program in Fortran, Cobol or C before I could do that.

You're being a little bit precious....

> I asked him to do a task that he couldn't just copy off
> YouTube and he went off his brain, he's been trying to justify his
> stupidity ever since.

Utter bullshit.

What you asked him to do would have proved absolutely nothing, but
moreover your sense of entitlement in thinking that he had to prove
himself to your satisfaction made you look like every bit the ridiculous
flog as the people who do exactly that to me. People who you *yourself*
criticise for doing precisely that.

You made an absolute idiot of yourself in doing that, and have
contradicted yourself daily ever since.

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On 4/02/2023 2:42 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 4/02/2023 9:32 am, Keithr0 wrote:
>> On 3/02/2023 10:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> On another subject, perhaps you could enlighten me about something.
>>> What's this about?
>>>
>>>> "What, you copy and paste code into a sketch in Arduino, select the
>>>> libraries to include, modify it a bit and hit program"
>>>
>>> You cite this as a quote from Jerky Birko in your sig and I'm not
>>> sure why, for as far as Arduino goes that's exactly what you do.
>>
>> Taking some code that somebody else wrote and plugging it into an
>> Arduino is to programming what changing a plug is to being a
>> mechanic, or doing a paint by numbers is to being an artist. It's
>> just monkey see monkey do.
>
> So, by your logic anyone who can play a guitar but never writes a song
> themselves is just a copycat?
>
> It's not writing code from scratch to control the auto pilot on the
> space shuttle certainly, but it *is* programming nonetheless. It is
> formulating a series of instructions and compiling them in such a way
> to make the events occur that you want to occur, and while it may not
> be much more complicated than writing an elaborate batch file it's
> *still* programming in the most basic sense.
>
> The simplicity of Arduino is what makes it popular, which is a concept
> you seem incapable of grasping. It allows people like me for example,
> who have little to no real programming experience, to put together
> packages that work, and for some reason you seem threatened by that or
> think it's "not real" because I didn't spend 17 years in a dark room
> wearing a beige cardigan eating digestive biscuits learning how to
> program in Fortran, Cobol or C before I could do that.

in the early days of the internet I created websites just from HTML code.

>
> You're being a little bit precious....

he usually is

>
>> I asked him to do a task that he couldn't just copy off YouTube and
>> he went off his brain, he's been trying to justify his stupidity ever
>> since.
>
> Utter bullshit.
>
> What you asked him to do would have proved absolutely nothing, but
> moreover your sense of entitlement in thinking that he had to prove
> himself to your satisfaction made you look like every bit the
> ridiculous flog as the people who do exactly that to me. People who
> you *yourself* criticise for doing precisely that.
>
> You made an absolute idiot of yourself

par for his course anytime he posts

> in doing that, and have contradicted yourself daily ever since.
>
>

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On 4/2/2023 2:42 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 4/02/2023 9:32 am, Keithr0 wrote:
>> On 3/02/2023 10:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> On another subject, perhaps you could enlighten me about something.
>>> What's this about?
>>>
>>>> "What, you copy and paste code into a sketch in Arduino, select the
>>>> libraries to include, modify it a bit and hit program"
>>>
>>> You cite this as a quote from Jerky Birko in your sig and I'm not
>>> sure why, for as far as Arduino goes that's exactly what you do.
>>
>> Taking some code that somebody else wrote and plugging it into an
>> Arduino is to programming what changing a plug is to being a mechanic,
>> or doing a paint by numbers is to being an artist. It's just monkey
>> see monkey do.
>
> So, by your logic anyone who can play a guitar but never writes a song
> themselves is just a copycat?

Hmm, unless they add some *originality* in their *style* of playing,
yeah, pretty much.
>
> It's not writing code from scratch to control the auto pilot on the
> space shuttle certainly, but it *is* programming nonetheless. It is
> formulating a series of instructions and compiling them in such a way to
> make the events occur that you want to occur, and while it may not be
> much more complicated than writing an elaborate batch file it's *still*
> programming in the most basic sense.

In the most basic sense, yes.
>
> The simplicity of Arduino is what makes it popular, which is a concept
> you seem incapable of grasping. It allows people like me for example,
> who have little to no real programming experience, to put together

No real automotive experience either but that's never held you back from
*lying* about the level of expertise you *claim* to possess.

> packages that work, and for some reason you seem threatened by that or
> think it's "not real" because I didn't spend 17 years in a dark room
> wearing a beige cardigan eating digestive biscuits learning how to
> program in Fortran, Cobol or C before I could do that.

Back in 1983 or 1984, a friend could write routines in *direct Hex code*
for the Z80 processor and pop them into the requisite memory locations
using the monitor program the computer came with. Impressive to watch
and that's what convinced me I wasn't ever going to be much of a
programmer. You see, I wasn't prepared, nor could I afford, to spare the
amount of time required to get to that level of expertise. My friend was
single (still is) and devoted all his time to his *hobby*. At the time I
was full time teaching and part time Uni, and had a wife to consider -
no way was I ever going to be able to devote the requisite time. Anyway,
it was easier to say to him, "Could you whip up this little program for
me" and it'd be done in *minutes*. Priorities, that's what you need to
consider.
>
> You're being a little bit precious....

Being precious is your bag. You are just concerned that by Keith asking
someone to prove their claims, it will *justify* others (like me) asking
*you* to justify your claims. Difference - your claims have been
*proven* to be 100% bogus hence your seeming reticence to front up with
proof.
>
>> I asked him to do a task that he couldn't just copy off YouTube and he
>> went off his brain, he's been trying to justify his stupidity ever since.
>
> Utter bullshit.
>
> What you asked him to do would have proved absolutely nothing, but
> moreover your sense of entitlement in thinking that he had to prove
> himself to your satisfaction made you look like every bit the ridiculous
> flog as the people who do exactly that to me. People who you *yourself*
> criticise for doing precisely that.
>
> You made an absolute idiot of yourself in doing that, and have
> contradicted yourself daily ever since.

Watching you squirm is such fun!

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Noddy <me@home.com> wrote in news:trkk76$1pvb7$2@dont-email.me:

> What you asked him to do would have proved absolutely nothing, but
> moreover your sense of entitlement in thinking that he had to prove
> himself to your satisfaction made you look like every bit the ridiculous
> flog as the people who do exactly that to me.

Bzzzt!
Wrong *again* Fraudster.

People are asking you to "prove" your claims. What Richo is trying to do
is... well, I'm not sure, but it's not the same as trying to get you to
substantiate your manifold suspect claims.

And do stop trying to compare your rotten apples to watermelons. You're
just making yourself look even desperate and stupid.

alvey

Noddy <me@home.com> wrote in news:trit1i$1e6c4$1@dont-email.me:

> On 3/02/2023 10:50 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>
>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-mounts-a-plastic-brake-cover-up/?u
>> tm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&ut
>> m_medium=partner
>
> They've always been cheap. Their fit and finish is appalling and the
> quality of their materials feels like it's sourced from K-mart. But
> this is just taking the piss. Maybe they *are* going to the wall after
> all :)

lol!

Poor old Fraudster has been even more down than usual on a new technology
ever since his ignorance was highlighted by these memorable farts of
nearly 4 years ago.

"The tip is Tesla will file for bankruptcy protection before the end of
the year". 15Apr19

"No, it's not, and at this rate I'll be surprised if they [Tesla]
survive to the middle of the year". 25Apr19

Yep, accurate as ever Fraudster.

alvey

On 4/02/2023 5:27 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 4/2/2023 2:42 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 4/02/2023 9:32 am, Keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 3/02/2023 10:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> On another subject, perhaps you could enlighten me about something.
>>>> What's this about?
>>>>
>>>>> "What, you copy and paste code into a sketch in Arduino, select the
>>>>> libraries to include, modify it a bit and hit program"
>>>>
>>>> You cite this as a quote from Jerky Birko in your sig and I'm not
>>>> sure why, for as far as Arduino goes that's exactly what you do.
>>>
>>> Taking some code that somebody else wrote and plugging it into an
>>> Arduino is to programming what changing a plug is to being a
>>> mechanic, or doing a paint by numbers is to being an artist. It's
>>> just monkey see monkey do.
>>
>> So, by your logic anyone who can play a guitar but never writes a song
>> themselves is just a copycat?
>
> Hmm, unless they add some *originality* in their *style* of playing,
> yeah, pretty much.
>>
>> It's not writing code from scratch to control the auto pilot on the
>> space shuttle certainly, but it *is* programming nonetheless. It is
>> formulating a series of instructions and compiling them in such a way
>> to make the events occur that you want to occur, and while it may not
>> be much more complicated than writing an elaborate batch file it's
>> *still* programming in the most basic sense.
>
> In the most basic sense, yes.
>>
>> The simplicity of Arduino is what makes it popular, which is a concept
>> you seem incapable of grasping. It allows people like me for example,
>> who have little to no real programming experience, to put together
>
> No real automotive experience either but that's never held you back from
> *lying* about the level of expertise you *claim* to possess.
>
>> packages that work, and for some reason you seem threatened by that or
>> think it's "not real" because I didn't spend 17 years in a dark room
>> wearing a beige cardigan eating digestive biscuits learning how to
>> program in Fortran, Cobol or C before I could do that.
>
> Back in 1983 or 1984, a friend could write routines in *direct Hex code*
> for the Z80 processor and pop them into the requisite memory locations
> using the monitor program the computer came with. Impressive to watch
> and that's what convinced me I wasn't ever going to be much of a
> programmer. You see, I wasn't prepared, nor could I afford, to spare the
> amount of time required to get to that level of expertise. My friend was
> single (still is) and devoted all his time to his *hobby*. At the time I
> was full time teaching and part time Uni, and had a wife to consider -
> no way was I ever going to be able to devote the requisite time. Anyway,
> it was easier to say to him, "Could you whip up this little program for
> me" and it'd be done in *minutes*. Priorities, that's what you need to
> consider.

Does your level of bullshitting need to get any deeper. FFS Nobody can
write a little program in hex on the z80 in minutes....

This is the code just to write 'Hello World' to the screen....

5200: 210652C31B0248656C6C6F20576F726F
5210: 64210D00000000000000000000000000

Your level of writing crap just reached a new high.

>> You're being a little bit precious....
>
> Being precious is your bag. You are just concerned that by Keith asking
> someone to prove their claims, it will *justify* others (like me) asking
> *you* to justify your claims. Difference - your claims have been
> *proven* to be 100% bogus hence your seeming reticence to front up with
> proof.
>>
>>> I asked him to do a task that he couldn't just copy off YouTube and
>>> he went off his brain, he's been trying to justify his stupidity ever
>>> since.
>>
>> Utter bullshit.
>>
>> What you asked him to do would have proved absolutely nothing, but
>> moreover your sense of entitlement in thinking that he had to prove
>> himself to your satisfaction made you look like every bit the
>> ridiculous flog as the people who do exactly that to me. People who
>> you *yourself* criticise for doing precisely that.
>>
>> You made an absolute idiot of yourself in doing that, and have
>> contradicted yourself daily ever since.
>
Pretty obvious what point Keith was making to clocky. It's pretty easy
to take other peoples modules and combine them to produce something that
you want, but it takes real skill to actually write something yourself
that does the job when there are no modules available. clocky failed,
plain and simple. Pretty much like you failed writing the bullshit you
wrote above.

Keith's won the point convincingly. Something the flc tries to disparage
however it was pretty obvious to anyone who has done a smattering of
programming that clocky bit off more than he could chew.

On 4/02/2023 8:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 4/02/2023 5:27 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 4/2/2023 2:42 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 4/02/2023 9:32 am, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 3/02/2023 10:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On another subject, perhaps you could enlighten me about something.
>>>>> What's this about?
>>>>>
>>>>>> "What, you copy and paste code into a sketch in Arduino, select
>>>>>> the libraries to include, modify it a bit and hit program"
>>>>>
>>>>> You cite this as a quote from Jerky Birko in your sig and I'm not
>>>>> sure why, for as far as Arduino goes that's exactly what you do.
>>>>
>>>> Taking some code that somebody else wrote and plugging it into an
>>>> Arduino is to programming what changing a plug is to being a
>>>> mechanic, or doing a paint by numbers is to being an artist. It's
>>>> just monkey see monkey do.
>>>
>>> So, by your logic anyone who can play a guitar but never writes a
>>> song themselves is just a copycat?
>>
>> Hmm, unless they add some *originality* in their *style* of playing,
>> yeah, pretty much.
>>>
>>> It's not writing code from scratch to control the auto pilot on the
>>> space shuttle certainly, but it *is* programming nonetheless. It is
>>> formulating a series of instructions and compiling them in such a way
>>> to make the events occur that you want to occur, and while it may not
>>> be much more complicated than writing an elaborate batch file it's
>>> *still* programming in the most basic sense.
>>
>> In the most basic sense, yes.
>>>
>>> The simplicity of Arduino is what makes it popular, which is a
>>> concept you seem incapable of grasping. It allows people like me for
>>> example, who have little to no real programming experience, to put
>>> together
>>
>> No real automotive experience either but that's never held you back
>> from *lying* about the level of expertise you *claim* to possess.
>>
>>> packages that work, and for some reason you seem threatened by that
>>> or think it's "not real" because I didn't spend 17 years in a dark
>>> room wearing a beige cardigan eating digestive biscuits learning how
>>> to program in Fortran, Cobol or C before I could do that.
>>
>> Back in 1983 or 1984, a friend could write routines in *direct Hex
>> code* for the Z80 processor and pop them into the requisite memory
>> locations using the monitor program the computer came with. Impressive
>> to watch and that's what convinced me I wasn't ever going to be much
>> of a programmer. You see, I wasn't prepared, nor could I afford, to
>> spare the amount of time required to get to that level of expertise.
>> My friend was single (still is) and devoted all his time to his
>> *hobby*. At the time I was full time teaching and part time Uni, and
>> had a wife to consider - no way was I ever going to be able to devote
>> the requisite time. Anyway, it was easier to say to him, "Could you
>> whip up this little program for me" and it'd be done in *minutes*.
>> Priorities, that's what you need to consider.
>
> Does your level of bullshitting need to get any deeper. FFS Nobody can
> write a little program in hex on the z80 in minutes....
>

You obviously don't know any real proficient programmers.
Shit - even dumbarse keith probably could have written a program in Z80
assembler at one time - in minutes.

> This is the code just to write 'Hello World' to the screen....
>
> 5200: 210652C31B0248656C6C6F20576F726F
> 5210: 64210D00000000000000000000000000
>

Screen of what system?

> Your level of writing crap just reached a new high.
>
>>> You're being a little bit precious....
>>
>> Being precious is your bag. You are just concerned that by Keith
>> asking someone to prove their claims, it will *justify* others (like
>> me) asking *you* to justify your claims. Difference - your claims have
>> been *proven* to be 100% bogus hence your seeming reticence to front
>> up with proof.
>>>
>>>> I asked him to do a task that he couldn't just copy off YouTube and
>>>> he went off his brain, he's been trying to justify his stupidity
>>>> ever since.
>>>
>>> Utter bullshit.
>>>
>>> What you asked him to do would have proved absolutely nothing, but
>>> moreover your sense of entitlement in thinking that he had to prove
>>> himself to your satisfaction made you look like every bit the
>>> ridiculous flog as the people who do exactly that to me. People who
>>> you *yourself* criticise for doing precisely that.
>>>
>>> You made an absolute idiot of yourself in doing that, and have
>>> contradicted yourself daily ever since.
>>
> Pretty obvious what point Keith was making to clocky.

He made no point. He was being a trolling dickhead.

It's pretty easy
> to take other peoples modules and combine them to produce something that
> you want, but it takes real skill to actually write something yourself
> that does the job when there are no modules available. clocky failed,
> plain and simple. Pretty much like you failed writing the bullshit you
> wrote above.
>

Failed what? You can program using the Arduino IDE and make it as easy
or as complex as you like, using some included libraries or not. The
fact remains that *programming* the Arduino is a process *exactly* as I
described and it's clearly not something you have *ever* done.

Stick to what you know, like plugging cables into modems that anyone can do.

> Keith's won the point convincingly.

Won what? I described a process that millions around the world use to
program an Arduino. Take your argument to the Arduino forums...

Something the flc tries to disparage
> however it was pretty obvious to anyone who has done a smattering of
> programming that clocky bit off more than he could chew.
>

Run that past Noddy because sure as shit you don't have a fucking clue,
as always.

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In thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Sept 23 2021 11:15:59am
Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
proven liar."

On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."

On 4/02/2023 11:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 4/02/2023 5:27 pm, Xeno wrote:

>> Back in 1983 or 1984, a friend could write routines in *direct Hex
>> code* for the Z80 processor and pop them into the requisite memory
>> locations using the monitor program the computer came with. Impressive
>> to watch and that's what convinced me I wasn't ever going to be much
>> of a programmer. You see, I wasn't prepared, nor could I afford, to
>> spare the amount of time required to get to that level of expertise.
>> My friend was single (still is) and devoted all his time to his
>> *hobby*. At the time I was full time teaching and part time Uni, and
>> had a wife to consider - no way was I ever going to be able to devote
>> the requisite time. Anyway, it was easier to say to him, "Could you
>> whip up this little program for me" and it'd be done in *minutes*.
>> Priorities, that's what you need to consider.
>
> Does your level of bullshitting need to get any deeper. FFS Nobody can
> write a little program in hex on the z80 in minutes....
>
> This is the code just to write 'Hello World' to the screen....
>
> 5200: 210652C31B0248656C6C6F20576F726F
> 5210: 64210D00000000000000000000000000
>
> Your level of writing crap just reached a new high.

As usual, Clasener injected a whole stream of irrelevant crap in order
to try to make himself relevant to the conversation, and as usual it was
ridiculously cringeworthy. Even if anyone here was talking about writing
in Hex, how his "friend" (yeah, yet *another* one) writing in Hex could
be relevant to anyone here in any way is an utter nonsense.

Such is the fragility of his attention seeking personality disorder that
he can't bear not being the central part of any conversation and will
resort to no end of ridiculous bullshit in order to make himself so.

>>> What you asked him to do would have proved absolutely nothing, but
>>> moreover your sense of entitlement in thinking that he had to prove
>>> himself to your satisfaction made you look like every bit the
>>> ridiculous flog as the people who do exactly that to me. People who
>>> you *yourself* criticise for doing precisely that.
>>>
>>> You made an absolute idiot of yourself in doing that, and have
>>> contradicted yourself daily ever since.
>>
> Pretty obvious what point Keith was making to clocky. It's pretty easy
> to take other peoples modules and combine them to produce something that
> you want, but it takes real skill to actually write something yourself
> that does the job when there are no modules available. clocky failed,
> plain and simple. Pretty much like you failed writing the bullshit you
> wrote above.
>
> Keith's won the point convincingly. Something the flc tries to disparage
> however it was pretty obvious to anyone who has done a smattering of
> programming that clocky bit off more than he could chew.

Sorry, but I completely disagree with this.

Keith's "proposal" was an utter nonsense that was designed to do nothing
other than make himself look superior. Even if Jerky had accepted the
challenge and come up with the goods there is no way Keith could
possibly know if he programmed the code himself or was able to borrow
from the plethora of existing libraries which would have proven
absolutely nothing.

It was never about Jerky. It was all about Keith, and his sense of
entitlement in thinking that he's actually in some mythical position of
authority that permits him to cast judgement over others. Something that
he himself has spent quite some time around here criticising others for
doing, and which makes him look like a completely hypocritical fool.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 4/02/2023 9:42 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 4/02/2023 11:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 4/02/2023 5:27 pm, Xeno wrote:
>
>>> Back in 1983 or 1984, a friend could write routines in *direct Hex
>>> code* for the Z80 processor and pop them into the requisite memory
>>> locations using the monitor program the computer came with.
>>> Impressive to watch and that's what convinced me I wasn't ever going
>>> to be much of a programmer. You see, I wasn't prepared, nor could I
>>> afford, to spare the amount of time required to get to that level of
>>> expertise. My friend was single (still is) and devoted all his time
>>> to his *hobby*. At the time I was full time teaching and part time
>>> Uni, and had a wife to consider - no way was I ever going to be able
>>> to devote the requisite time. Anyway, it was easier to say to him,
>>> "Could you whip up this little program for me" and it'd be done in
>>> *minutes*. Priorities, that's what you need to consider.
>>
>> Does your level of bullshitting need to get any deeper. FFS Nobody can
>> write a little program in hex on the z80 in minutes....
>>
>> This is the code just to write 'Hello World' to the screen....
>>
>> 5200: 210652C31B0248656C6C6F20576F726F
>> 5210: 64210D00000000000000000000000000
>>
>> Your level of writing crap just reached a new high.
>
> As usual, Clasener injected a whole stream of irrelevant crap in order
> to try to make himself relevant to the conversation, and as usual it was
> ridiculously cringeworthy. Even if anyone here was talking about writing
> in Hex, how his "friend" (yeah, yet *another* one) writing in Hex could
> be relevant to anyone here in any way is an utter nonsense.
>
> Such is the fragility of his attention seeking personality disorder that
> he can't bear not being the central part of any conversation and will
> resort to no end of ridiculous bullshit in order to make himself so.
>

Grumpy's Dunning-Kruger efforts are equally as cringeworthy FWIW.

>
>>>> What you asked him to do would have proved absolutely nothing, but
>>>> moreover your sense of entitlement in thinking that he had to prove
>>>> himself to your satisfaction made you look like every bit the
>>>> ridiculous flog as the people who do exactly that to me. People who
>>>> you *yourself* criticise for doing precisely that.
>>>>
>>>> You made an absolute idiot of yourself in doing that, and have
>>>> contradicted yourself daily ever since.
>>>
>> Pretty obvious what point Keith was making to clocky. It's pretty easy
>> to take other peoples modules and combine them to produce something
>> that you want, but it takes real skill to actually write something
>> yourself that does the job when there are no modules available. clocky
>> failed, plain and simple. Pretty much like you failed writing the
>> bullshit you wrote above.
>>
>> Keith's won the point convincingly. Something the flc tries to
>> disparage however it was pretty obvious to anyone who has done a
>> smattering of programming that clocky bit off more than he could chew.
>
> Sorry, but I completely disagree with this.
>

Why sorry? Why don't you do what you usually do and hurl abuse?

> Keith's "proposal" was an utter nonsense that was designed to do nothing
> other than make himself look superior. Even if Jerky had accepted the
> challenge and come up with the goods there is no way Keith could
> possibly know if he programmed the code himself or was able to borrow
> from the plethora of existing libraries which would have proven
> absolutely nothing.
>
> It was never about Jerky. It was all about Keith, and his sense of
> entitlement in thinking that he's actually in some mythical position of
> authority that permits him to cast judgement over others. Something that
> he himself has spent quite some time around here criticising others for
> doing, and which makes him look like a completely hypocritical fool.
>
>
>
>
>

OMGF, we agree on something.

--
In thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Sept 23 2021 11:15:59am
Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
proven liar."

On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."

Noddy <me@home.com> wrote in news:trlnd1$202m0$1@dont-email.me:

> On 4/02/2023 11:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 4/02/2023 5:27 pm, Xeno wrote:
>
>>> Back in 1983 or 1984, a friend could write routines in *direct Hex
>>> code* for the Z80 processor and pop them into the requisite memory
>>> locations using the monitor program the computer came with.
>>> Impressive to watch and that's what convinced me I wasn't ever going
>>> to be much of a programmer. You see, I wasn't prepared, nor could I
>>> afford, to spare the amount of time required to get to that level of
>>> expertise. My friend was single (still is) and devoted all his time
>>> to his *hobby*. At the time I was full time teaching and part time
>>> Uni, and had a wife to consider - no way was I ever going to be able
>>> to devote the requisite time. Anyway, it was easier to say to him,
>>> "Could you whip up this little program for me" and it'd be done in
>>> *minutes*. Priorities, that's what you need to consider.
>>
>> Does your level of bullshitting need to get any deeper. FFS Nobody
>> can write a little program in hex on the z80 in minutes....
>>
>> This is the code just to write 'Hello World' to the screen....
>>
>> 5200: 210652C31B0248656C6C6F20576F726F
>> 5210: 64210D00000000000000000000000000
>>
>> Your level of writing crap just reached a new high.
>
> As usual, Clasener injected a whole stream of irrelevant crap in order
> to try to make himself relevant to the conversation, and as usual it
> was ridiculously cringeworthy.

Wot? Like you passing judgement on the handling characterisics of Jumbo
planes and large trucks? Buffoon.

On 5/02/2023 12:42 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 4/02/2023 11:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 4/02/2023 5:27 pm, Xeno wrote:
>
>>> Back in 1983 or 1984, a friend could write routines in *direct Hex
>>> code* for the Z80 processor and pop them into the requisite memory
>>> locations using the monitor program the computer came with.
>>> Impressive to watch and that's what convinced me I wasn't ever going
>>> to be much of a programmer. You see, I wasn't prepared, nor could I
>>> afford, to spare the amount of time required to get to that level of
>>> expertise. My friend was single (still is) and devoted all his time
>>> to his *hobby*. At the time I was full time teaching and part time
>>> Uni, and had a wife to consider - no way was I ever going to be able
>>> to devote the requisite time. Anyway, it was easier to say to him,
>>> "Could you whip up this little program for me" and it'd be done in
>>> *minutes*. Priorities, that's what you need to consider.
>>
>> Does your level of bullshitting need to get any deeper. FFS Nobody
>> can write a little program in hex on the z80 in minutes....
>>
>> This is the code just to write 'Hello World' to the screen....
>>
>> 5200: 210652C31B0248656C6C6F20576F726F
>> 5210: 64210D00000000000000000000000000
>>
>> Your level of writing crap just reached a new high.
>
> As usual, Clasener injected a whole stream of irrelevant crap in order
> to try to make himself relevant to the conversation, and as usual it
> was ridiculously cringeworthy. Even if anyone here was talking about
> writing in Hex, how his "friend" (yeah, yet *another* one) writing in
> Hex could be relevant to anyone here in any way is an utter nonsense.
>
> Such is the fragility of his attention seeking personality disorder
> that he can't bear not being the central part of any conversation and
> will resort to no end of ridiculous bullshit in order to make himself so.
>
>
>>>> What you asked him to do would have proved absolutely nothing, but
>>>> moreover your sense of entitlement in thinking that he had to prove
>>>> himself to your satisfaction made you look like every bit the
>>>> ridiculous flog as the people who do exactly that to me. People who
>>>> you *yourself* criticise for doing precisely that.
>>>>
>>>> You made an absolute idiot of yourself in doing that, and have
>>>> contradicted yourself daily ever since.
>>>
>> Pretty obvious what point Keith was making to clocky. It's pretty
>> easy to take other peoples modules and combine them to produce
>> something that you want, but it takes real skill to actually write
>> something yourself that does the job when there are no modules
>> available. clocky failed, plain and simple. Pretty much like you
>> failed writing the bullshit you wrote above.
>>
>> Keith's won the point convincingly. Something the flc tries to
>> disparage however it was pretty obvious to anyone who has done a
>> smattering of programming that clocky bit off more than he could chew.
>
> Sorry, but I completely disagree with this.
>
> Keith's "proposal" was an utter nonsense that was designed to do
> nothing other than make himself look superior.

yep

> Even if Jerky had accepted the challenge and come up with the goods
> there is no way Keith could possibly know if he programmed the code
> himself or was able to borrow from the plethora of existing libraries
> which would have proven absolutely nothing.

yep

>
> It was never about Jerky. It was all about Keith,

yep!

> and his sense of entitlement in thinking that he's actually in some
> mythical position of authority that permits him to cast judgement over
> others.

OMG! extreme PKB!!

> Something that he himself has spent quite some time around here
> criticising others for doing, and which makes him look like a
> completely hypocritical fool.
>
>

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