On 19/07/2021 7:51 pm, F Murtz wrote:
> On 18/7/21 2:10 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 17/07/2021 2:17 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 17/07/2021 3:44 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 17/07/2021 2:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is
>>>>> there any way to remove them other than by using professionals like
>>>>> O'briens? ta,
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> wrong as usual, it would seem..
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com.au/Glass-Polishing-Compound-Pre-Mixed-Suspended/dp/B005M26N16/
>>>
>>>
>>> https://autobuff.com.au/products/gtechniq-g4-nanotech-glass-polish
>>>
>>> etc.,
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Windscreen glass is laminated so you're not actually polishing glass
>> though those products may work.
>>
>> Try toothpaste as mentioned in my other post would be my suggestion.
> What do you think laminated glass is ?

Panes of glass with laminating material in between them, but for reasons
I already explained I thought there may be an outer layer as well.

Clearly this is not the case and I take it all back ;-)

On 18/07/2021 7:28 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jul 2021 14:48:35 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is there any
>> way to remove them other than by using professionals like O'briens? ta,
>
> What about the plastic headlight shields, plastic window rain guards
> and tail-light covers etc. Toyota no longer stock replacements for
> these. Can these be resurrected with some paste? They're going
> milky too.
>

Yes, same sort of stuff will work but you'll have to do it fairly regularly.

On 20/07/2021 11:27 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 19/07/2021 7:56 pm, F Murtz wrote:
>> On 19/7/21 10:48 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 19/07/2021 8:40 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 19/7/21 10:25 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 18/07/2021 10:44 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/7/21 2:04 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 17/07/2021 12:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is
>>>>>>>> there any way to remove them other than by using professionals
>>>>>>>> like O'briens? ta,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Toothpaste. The cheap stuff that feels a bit gritty (for want of
>>>>>>> a better description) is the one to use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've tried that on glass. Didn't work well enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Windscreen glass is laminated. Can work on laminate, DVD's etc.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I used it on DVD's and resurrected a couple. But they are
>>>> polycarbonate, much softer than glass.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So is laminate on the windscreens.
>>>
>>> That's the point.
>>>
>>>
>> The laminate refers to two bits of glass stuck together with a
>> plastic substance
>
> Yes I know laminate is sandwiched by definition between the panes but
> when I looked at my broken windscreen at a casual glance noted what
> looked to be laminate on the outside as well. I've had a proper look
> and that's not the case, the very thin outer glass has come away from
> the laminating material.
>
> I was wrong, IOW.
>
>
> the surface is still glass and can be polished with cerium
>> oxide (so could the laminating substance for that matter if it were
>> possible to get at it :) )
>
>
> Yep.

quite frankly i'm surprised you thought laminated windscreens were not
glass on the both sides

--
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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 20/07/2021 3:10 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 20/07/2021 11:27 am, Clocky wrote:

>> Yes I know laminate is sandwiched by definition between the panes but
>> when I looked at my broken windscreen at a casual glance noted what
>> looked to be laminate on the outside as well. I've had a proper look
>> and that's not the case, the very thin outer glass has come away from
>> the laminating material.
>>
>> I was wrong, IOW.
>>
>>
>> the surface is still glass and can be polished with cerium
>>> oxide (so could the laminating substance for that matter if it were
>>> possible to get at it :) )
>>
>>
>> Yep.
>
>
> quite frankly i'm surprised you thought laminated windscreens were not
> glass on the both sides

Clearly he doesn't know as much as he thinks he does :)

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 20/07/2021 1:10 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 20/07/2021 11:27 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 19/07/2021 7:56 pm, F Murtz wrote:
>>> On 19/7/21 10:48 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 19/07/2021 8:40 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 19/7/21 10:25 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/07/2021 10:44 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18/7/21 2:04 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 17/07/2021 12:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is
>>>>>>>>> there any way to remove them other than by using professionals
>>>>>>>>> like O'briens? ta,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Toothpaste. The cheap stuff that feels a bit gritty (for want of
>>>>>>>> a better description) is the one to use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've tried that on glass. Didn't work well enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Windscreen glass is laminated. Can work on laminate, DVD's etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I used it on DVD's and resurrected a couple. But they are
>>>>> polycarbonate, much softer than glass.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So is laminate on the windscreens.
>>>>
>>>> That's the point.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The laminate refers to two bits of glass stuck together with a
>>> plastic substance
>>
>> Yes I know laminate is sandwiched by definition between the panes but
>> when I looked at my broken windscreen at a casual glance noted what
>> looked to be laminate on the outside as well. I've had a proper look
>> and that's not the case, the very thin outer glass has come away from
>> the laminating material.
>>
>> I was wrong, IOW.
>>
>>
>> the surface is still glass and can be polished with cerium
>>> oxide (so could the laminating substance for that matter if it were
>>> possible to get at it :) )
>>
>>
>> Yep.
>
>
> quite frankly i'm surprised you thought laminated windscreens were not
> glass on the both sides
>

Well I knew they were panes with laminate between them, I didn't realise
how thin the outer layer actually was and assumed there was more to it.
Wrongly as it turns out.

On 20/07/2021 2:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 20/07/2021 3:10 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 20/07/2021 11:27 am, Clocky wrote:
>
>>> Yes I know laminate is sandwiched by definition between the panes but
>>> when I looked at my broken windscreen at a casual glance noted what
>>> looked to be laminate on the outside as well. I've had a proper look
>>> and that's not the case, the very thin outer glass has come away from
>>> the laminating material.
>>>
>>> I was wrong, IOW.
>>>
>>>
>>> the surface is still glass and can be polished with cerium
>>>> oxide (so could the laminating substance for that matter if it were
>>>> possible to get at it :) )
>>>
>>>
>>> Yep.
>>
>>
>> quite frankly i'm surprised you thought laminated windscreens were not
>> glass on the both sides
>
> Clearly he doesn't know as much as he thinks he does :)
>
>

I know you are a fraud.

On 20/7/21 5:14 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 20/07/2021 2:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 20/07/2021 3:10 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 20/07/2021 11:27 am, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>>> Yes I know laminate is sandwiched by definition between the panes
>>>> but when I looked at my broken windscreen at a casual glance noted
>>>> what looked to be laminate on the outside as well. I've had a proper
>>>> look and that's not the case, the very thin outer glass has come
>>>> away from the laminating material.
>>>>
>>>> I was wrong, IOW.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> the surface is still glass and can be polished with cerium
>>>>> oxide (so could the laminating substance for that matter if it were
>>>>> possible to get at it :) )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yep.
>>>
>>>
>>> quite frankly i'm surprised you thought laminated windscreens were
>>> not glass on the both sides
>>
>> Clearly he doesn't know as much as he thinks he does :)
>>
>>
>
> I know you are a fraud.
>
>
As do even Darren's allies. And there's very few of them left.

--

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 09:15:13 +0800, Clocky wrote:

> On 19/07/2021 9:04 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 19/7/21 10:48 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 19/07/2021 8:40 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 19/7/21 10:25 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 18/07/2021 10:44 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/7/21 2:04 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 17/07/2021 12:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is
>>>>>>>> there any way to remove them other than by using professionals
>>>>>>>> like O'briens? ta,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Toothpaste. The cheap stuff that feels a bit gritty (for want of a
>>>>>>> better description) is the one to use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've tried that on glass. Didn't work well enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Windscreen glass is laminated. Can work on laminate, DVD's etc.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I used it on DVD's and resurrected a couple. But they are
>>>> polycarbonate, much softer than glass.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So is laminate on the windscreens.
>>>
>>> That's the point.
>>>
>>>
>> I thought the laminate was between the layers of glass?
>
> So did I, but it looked like it was also on the outside.
>
> The glass on my
>> windscreen chips like glass, unfortunately.
>>
>
> I just had another look, this time properly and you are right. The outer
> layer is thin glass which makes sense.
>
> Good thing I never claimed to be a glazier ;-)

Yair. Cos they're all shrinking due to global warming.

alvey

On 7/20/2021 11:31 AM, Clocky wrote:
> On 19/07/2021 7:51 pm, F Murtz wrote:
>> On 18/7/21 2:10 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 17/07/2021 2:17 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 17/07/2021 3:44 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 17/07/2021 2:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is
>>>>>> there any way to remove them other than by using professionals
>>>>>> like O'briens? ta,
>>>>>
>>>>> No.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> wrong as usual, it would seem..
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.com.au/Glass-Polishing-Compound-Pre-Mixed-Suspended/dp/B005M26N16/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://autobuff.com.au/products/gtechniq-g4-nanotech-glass-polish
>>>>
>>>> etc.,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Windscreen glass is laminated so you're not actually polishing glass
>>> though those products may work.
>>>
>>> Try toothpaste as mentioned in my other post would be my suggestion.
>> What do you think laminated glass is ?
>
> Panes of glass with laminating material in between them, but for
> reasons I already explained I thought there may be an outer layer as
> well.
>
> Clearly this is not the case and I take it all back ;-)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

   Too late.

 C`mon mr *I`m qualified*, you don`t know about windscreen
construction??. Your version:

     * Windscreen glass is laminated so you're not actually polishing
glass though those products may work.*

           A veritable 'Schoolboy howler' there, BOY!.  :):):)

>
>

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On 7/20/2021 11:27 AM, Clocky wrote:
> On 19/07/2021 7:56 pm, F Murtz wrote:
>> On 19/7/21 10:48 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 19/07/2021 8:40 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 19/7/21 10:25 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 18/07/2021 10:44 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/7/21 2:04 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 17/07/2021 12:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is
>>>>>>>> there any way to remove them other than by using professionals
>>>>>>>> like O'briens? ta,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Toothpaste. The cheap stuff that feels a bit gritty (for want of
>>>>>>> a better description) is the one to use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've tried that on glass. Didn't work well enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Windscreen glass is laminated. Can work on laminate, DVD's etc.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I used it on DVD's and resurrected a couple. But they are
>>>> polycarbonate, much softer than glass.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So is laminate on the windscreens.
>>>
>>> That's the point.
>>>
>>>
>> The laminate refers to two bits of glass stuck together with a
>> plastic substance
>
> Yes I know laminate is sandwiched by definition between the panes but
> when I looked at my broken windscreen at a casual glance noted what
> looked to be laminate on the outside as well. I've had a proper look
> and that's not the case, the very thin outer glass has come away from
> the laminating material.
>
> I was wrong, IOW.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 Known as *going off half cocked*, something you and yer cronies do often.

>
>
> the surface is still glass and can be polished with cerium
>> oxide (so could the laminating substance for that matter if it were
>> possible to get at it :) )
      Yes, used in 3D printing.
>
>
> Yep.

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On 18 Jul 2021 00:06:36 GMT, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

>Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Jul 2021 14:48:35 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is there any
>>> way to remove them other than by using professionals like O'briens? ta,
>>
>> What about the plastic headlight shields, plastic window rain guards
>> and tail-light covers etc. Toyota no longer stock replacements for
>> these. Can these be resurrected with some paste? They're going
>> milky too.
>>
>
>You can use the same stuff on those that you use on headlights. I use a
>Turtle brand headlight cleaner for mine. A bottle goes a very long way
>
>———
>Xeno

Thanx, I'll check this out.

On 7/20/2021 5:10 PM, Clocky wrote:
> On 20/07/2021 1:10 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 20/07/2021 11:27 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 19/07/2021 7:56 pm, F Murtz wrote:
>>>> On 19/7/21 10:48 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 19/07/2021 8:40 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/7/21 10:25 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18/07/2021 10:44 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 18/7/21 2:04 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 17/07/2021 12:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen.
>>>>>>>>>> is there any way to remove them other than by using
>>>>>>>>>> professionals like O'briens? ta,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Toothpaste. The cheap stuff that feels a bit gritty (for want
>>>>>>>>> of a better description) is the one to use.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've tried that on glass. Didn't work well enough.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Windscreen glass is laminated. Can work on laminate, DVD's etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, I used it on DVD's and resurrected a couple. But they are
>>>>>> polycarbonate, much softer than glass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So is laminate on the windscreens.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's the point.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The laminate refers to two bits of glass stuck together with a
>>>> plastic substance
>>>
>>> Yes I know laminate is sandwiched by definition between the panes
>>> but when I looked at my broken windscreen at a casual glance noted
>>> what looked to be laminate on the outside as well. I've had a proper
>>> look and that's not the case, the very thin outer glass has come
>>> away from the laminating material.
>>>
>>> I was wrong, IOW.
>>>
>>>
>>> the surface is still glass and can be polished with cerium
>>>> oxide (so could the laminating substance for that matter if it were
>>>> possible to get at it :) )
>>>
>>>
>>> Yep.
>>
>>
>> quite frankly i'm surprised you thought laminated windscreens were
>> not glass on the both sides
>>
>
> Well I knew they were panes with laminate between them, I didn't
> realise how thin the outer layer actually was and assumed there was
> more to it. Wrongly as it turns out.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Wrong again, both layers of glass are the *same* thickness!.

  (Ha, chastised by felix, that`ll learn ya..... :):):)

>
>

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On 17/07/2021 2:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is there
> any way to remove them other than by using professionals like
> O'briens? ta,
>

I bought one of these kits .. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/363545908697
... and tried today following this plan ..
https://www.wikihow.com/Remove-Scratches-from-a-Windshield .. however,
it take a lot of polishing to improve even a small part, so given the
amount of scratching it would take a month of sundays and a lot of
polishing to do the job, so looks like it's one for the professionals.

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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry