On 24/05/2021 15:36, JNugent wrote:
> On 24/05/2021 07:53 am, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>> Every so often, my Samsung tv, last years model, fails to connect to the
>> router when its turned on. No amount of fiddling with settings fixes
>> this,
>> but its less than 2m from the router. The only way is to it off, pull out
>> the mains for about 30 seconds, then replace it and turn it on again.
>>   Is this a common issue on TVs? You first notice it when you try to
>> get lady
>> A to operate, when it complains there ins no internet available of
>> course,
>> and hence no internet delivered content either. I could hard wire it I
>> guess, but due to the closeness it seems a little silly.
>>   Brian
>
> A guess: computers have to be turned off now and then in order not to
> eventually crash. The same, I suggest, is true of that sort of computer
> called a Smart TV, though I would guess that very few are switched off
> overnight at the mains these days. Ours certainly aren't.

Mine was last rebooted December 2017. But, then, it does run Windows 7.

--
Max Demian

On 25/05/2021 11:05, Max Demian wrote:
> On 25/05/2021 09:14, Scott wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 May 2021 16:12:58 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
>> <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes I can hard wire it, but it still seems daft.
>>> I will probably do that if the issue continues anyway.
>>
>> Why is it daft to connect two sets of equipment with a piece of wire?
>> It could equally be observed that it is daft to use a radio
>> transmitter then a radio receiver to send a signal a distance of two
>> metres.
>
> Same with Bluetooth sound bars. Do modern TVs not have audio outputs?
> (Probably true.)

They have HDMI, which can carry audio (and ARC in many cases).

--

Jeff

On Wed, 26 May 2021 08:17:21 +0100
Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>On 25/05/2021 11:05, Max Demian wrote:
>> On 25/05/2021 09:14, Scott wrote:
>>> On Mon, 24 May 2021 16:12:58 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
>>> <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes I can hard wire it, but it still seems daft.
>>>> I will probably do that if the issue continues anyway.
>>>
>>> Why is it daft to connect two sets of equipment with a piece of wire?
>>> It could equally be observed that it is daft to use a radio
>>> transmitter then a radio receiver to send a signal a distance of two
>>> metres.
>>
>> Same with Bluetooth sound bars. Do modern TVs not have audio outputs?
>> (Probably true.)
>
>They have HDMI, which can carry audio (and ARC in many cases).

It can and usually does unless its some bug ridden POS made by Humax when
its a coin toss whether it works.

On Wed, 26 May 2021 08:32:04 +0000 (UTC),
MrSpook_fn3yr7@348e06k5j_4t17l.biz wrote:

>On Wed, 26 May 2021 08:17:21 +0100
>Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>On 25/05/2021 11:05, Max Demian wrote:
>>> On 25/05/2021 09:14, Scott wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 24 May 2021 16:12:58 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
>>>> <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes I can hard wire it, but it still seems daft.
>>>>> I will probably do that if the issue continues anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Why is it daft to connect two sets of equipment with a piece of wire?
>>>> It could equally be observed that it is daft to use a radio
>>>> transmitter then a radio receiver to send a signal a distance of two
>>>> metres.
>>>
>>> Same with Bluetooth sound bars. Do modern TVs not have audio outputs?
>>> (Probably true.)
>>
>>They have HDMI, which can carry audio (and ARC in many cases).
>
>It can and usually does unless its some bug ridden POS made by Humax when
>its a coin toss whether it works.

My Humax has worked reliably for years, as has my friend's.

On Wed, 26 May 2021 09:44:21 +0100
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 May 2021 08:32:04 +0000 (UTC),
>MrSpook_fn3yr7@348e06k5j_4t17l.biz wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 26 May 2021 08:17:21 +0100
>>Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>On 25/05/2021 11:05, Max Demian wrote:
>>>> On 25/05/2021 09:14, Scott wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 24 May 2021 16:12:58 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
>>>>> <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes I can hard wire it, but it still seems daft.
>>>>>> I will probably do that if the issue continues anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is it daft to connect two sets of equipment with a piece of wire?
>>>>> It could equally be observed that it is daft to use a radio
>>>>> transmitter then a radio receiver to send a signal a distance of two
>>>>> metres.
>>>>
>>>> Same with Bluetooth sound bars. Do modern TVs not have audio outputs?
>>>> (Probably true.)
>>>
>>>They have HDMI, which can carry audio (and ARC in many cases).
>>
>>It can and usually does unless its some bug ridden POS made by Humax when
>>its a coin toss whether it works.
>
>My Humax has worked reliably for years, as has my friend's.

Well bully for you. I have to switch the TV on first with mine otherwise
I get no sound if I start it after the box has started up. Other "fun"
bugs include it not seeing the hard disk 1 in 4 times its starts up which
requires a hard reset of pulling the plug out and losing all the scheduled
recordings when you do an auto rescan.

On Wed, 26 May 2021 09:38:57 +0000 (UTC), MrSpook_mmox@e70b.gov wrote:

>On Wed, 26 May 2021 09:44:21 +0100
>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>On Wed, 26 May 2021 08:32:04 +0000 (UTC),
>>MrSpook_fn3yr7@348e06k5j_4t17l.biz wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 26 May 2021 08:17:21 +0100
>>>Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>On 25/05/2021 11:05, Max Demian wrote:
>>>>> On 25/05/2021 09:14, Scott wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 24 May 2021 16:12:58 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
>>>>>> <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes I can hard wire it, but it still seems daft.
>>>>>>> I will probably do that if the issue continues anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is it daft to connect two sets of equipment with a piece of wire?
>>>>>> It could equally be observed that it is daft to use a radio
>>>>>> transmitter then a radio receiver to send a signal a distance of two
>>>>>> metres.
>>>>>
>>>>> Same with Bluetooth sound bars. Do modern TVs not have audio outputs?
>>>>> (Probably true.)
>>>>
>>>>They have HDMI, which can carry audio (and ARC in many cases).
>>>
>>>It can and usually does unless its some bug ridden POS made by Humax when
>>>its a coin toss whether it works.
>>
>>My Humax has worked reliably for years, as has my friend's.
>
>Well bully for you. I have to switch the TV on first with mine otherwise
>I get no sound if I start it after the box has started up. Other "fun"
>bugs include it not seeing the hard disk 1 in 4 times its starts up which
>requires a hard reset of pulling the plug out and losing all the scheduled
>recordings when you do an auto rescan.

Could it be a problem with your TV? Have you sought advice from
Humax?

<MrSpook_mmox@e70b.gov> wrote:
> On Wed, 26 May 2021 09:44:21 +0100
> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 May 2021 08:32:04 +0000 (UTC),
>> MrSpook_fn3yr7@348e06k5j_4t17l.biz wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 26 May 2021 08:17:21 +0100
>>> Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 25/05/2021 11:05, Max Demian wrote:
>>>>> On 25/05/2021 09:14, Scott wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 24 May 2021 16:12:58 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
>>>>>> <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes I can hard wire it, but it still seems daft.
>>>>>>> I will probably do that if the issue continues anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is it daft to connect two sets of equipment with a piece of wire?
>>>>>> It could equally be observed that it is daft to use a radio
>>>>>> transmitter then a radio receiver to send a signal a distance of two
>>>>>> metres.
>>>>>
>>>>> Same with Bluetooth sound bars. Do modern TVs not have audio outputs?
>>>>> (Probably true.)
>>>>
>>>> They have HDMI, which can carry audio (and ARC in many cases).
>>>
>>> It can and usually does unless its some bug ridden POS made by Humax when
>>> its a coin toss whether it works.
>>
>> My Humax has worked reliably for years, as has my friend's.
>
> Well bully for you. I have to switch the TV on first with mine otherwise
> I get no sound if I start it after the box has started up. Other "fun"
> bugs include it not seeing the hard disk 1 in 4 times its starts up which
> requires a hard reset of pulling the plug out and losing all the scheduled
> recordings when you do an auto rescan.
>
>

How old is your Humax? When did you last change the hard drive? They don’t
last forever. Ours is very reliable.

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

On Wed, 26 May 2021 11:31:04 +0100
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 May 2021 09:38:57 +0000 (UTC), MrSpook_mmox@e70b.gov wrote:
>>Well bully for you. I have to switch the TV on first with mine otherwise
>>I get no sound if I start it after the box has started up. Other "fun"
>>bugs include it not seeing the hard disk 1 in 4 times its starts up which
>>requires a hard reset of pulling the plug out and losing all the scheduled
>>recordings when you do an auto rescan.
>
>Could it be a problem with your TV? Have you sought advice from
>Humax?

Nothing wrong with the TV, 2 other devices have no issue with it. Humax kit
is just full of bugs. A previous one we had had another set of issues but
stupidly I went and bought a 2nd humax thinking they must have improved their
reliability. I won't be making that mistake again.

On 26 May 2021 15:08:48 GMT
Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> wrote:
><MrSpook_mmox@e70b.gov> wrote:
>> Well bully for you. I have to switch the TV on first with mine otherwise
>> I get no sound if I start it after the box has started up. Other "fun"
>> bugs include it not seeing the hard disk 1 in 4 times its starts up which
>> requires a hard reset of pulling the plug out and losing all the scheduled
>> recordings when you do an auto rescan.
>>
>>
>
>How old is your Humax? When did you last change the hard drive? They don’t

6 or 7 years. As for hard drives, its not a hardware problem, its definately
software plus I've got some drives from 1999 that are still going in an
old box I use as a file server.

On Wed, 26 May 2021 15:12:52 +0000 (UTC),
MrSpook_mb@b532sojt5noz0i6.net wrote:

>On Wed, 26 May 2021 11:31:04 +0100
>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>On Wed, 26 May 2021 09:38:57 +0000 (UTC), MrSpook_mmox@e70b.gov wrote:
>>>Well bully for you. I have to switch the TV on first with mine otherwise
>>>I get no sound if I start it after the box has started up. Other "fun"
>>>bugs include it not seeing the hard disk 1 in 4 times its starts up which
>>>requires a hard reset of pulling the plug out and losing all the scheduled
>>>recordings when you do an auto rescan.
>>
>>Could it be a problem with your TV? Have you sought advice from
>>Humax?
>
>Nothing wrong with the TV, 2 other devices have no issue with it. Humax kit
>is just full of bugs. A previous one we had had another set of issues but
>stupidly I went and bought a 2nd humax thinking they must have improved their
>reliability. I won't be making that mistake again.

Any actual evidence it is 'full of bugs'? It seems unlikely they
built you a special model.

On Wed, 26 May 2021 21:30:39 +0100
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 May 2021 15:12:52 +0000 (UTC),
>MrSpook_mb@b532sojt5noz0i6.net wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 26 May 2021 11:31:04 +0100
>>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>On Wed, 26 May 2021 09:38:57 +0000 (UTC), MrSpook_mmox@e70b.gov wrote:
>>>>Well bully for you. I have to switch the TV on first with mine otherwise
>>>>I get no sound if I start it after the box has started up. Other "fun"
>>>>bugs include it not seeing the hard disk 1 in 4 times its starts up which
>>>>requires a hard reset of pulling the plug out and losing all the scheduled
>>>>recordings when you do an auto rescan.
>>>
>>>Could it be a problem with your TV? Have you sought advice from
>>>Humax?
>>
>>Nothing wrong with the TV, 2 other devices have no issue with it. Humax kit
>>is just full of bugs. A previous one we had had another set of issues but
>>stupidly I went and bought a 2nd humax thinking they must have improved their
>
>>reliability. I won't be making that mistake again.
>
>Any actual evidence it is 'full of bugs'? It seems unlikely they
>built you a special model.

What do you want, a video of it not working? Don't imply I'm a liar just
because you're some Humax fanboy.

On Wed, 26 May 2021 15:29:07 +0000 (UTC), MrSpook_smnacr@5mt66f5.biz
wrote:

>On 26 May 2021 15:08:48 GMT
>Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> wrote:
>><MrSpook_mmox@e70b.gov> wrote:
>>> Well bully for you. I have to switch the TV on first with mine otherwise
>>> I get no sound if I start it after the box has started up. Other "fun"
>>> bugs include it not seeing the hard disk 1 in 4 times its starts up which
>>> requires a hard reset of pulling the plug out and losing all the scheduled
>>> recordings when you do an auto rescan.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>How old is your Humax? When did you last change the hard drive? They don’t
>
>6 or 7 years. As for hard drives, its not a hardware problem, its definately
>software plus I've got some drives from 1999 that are still going in an
>old box I use as a file server.

Get yourself a Panasonic. My present one has outlasted three remote
controls (which you can buy separately when you wear them out) without
any problems. They used to do one that also included a Blu-Ray player
if you wanted everything in one box; maybe they still do.

(By the way, that's not how you spell "definitely". Are you "H"?)

Rod.

On Thu, 27 May 2021 09:50:13 +0100
Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 May 2021 15:29:07 +0000 (UTC), MrSpook_smnacr@5mt66f5.biz
>wrote:
>
>>On 26 May 2021 15:08:48 GMT
>>Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>><MrSpook_mmox@e70b.gov> wrote:
>>>> Well bully for you. I have to switch the TV on first with mine otherwise
>>>> I get no sound if I start it after the box has started up. Other "fun"
>>>> bugs include it not seeing the hard disk 1 in 4 times its starts up which
>>>> requires a hard reset of pulling the plug out and losing all the scheduled
>>>> recordings when you do an auto rescan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>How old is your Humax? When did you last change the hard drive? They don’t
>>
>>6 or 7 years. As for hard drives, its not a hardware problem, its definately
>>software plus I've got some drives from 1999 that are still going in an
>>old box I use as a file server.
>
>Get yourself a Panasonic. My present one has outlasted three remote

When I get a new one it'll definately be one of the bigger manufacturers but
when I was shopping around for the last 2 it was a load of neverheardofem's
plus Humax.

>(By the way, that's not how you spell "definitely". Are you "H"?)

:)

MrSpook_M4_pq2q@i_gza3z9e80.tv wrote:
> On Wed, 26 May 2021 21:30:39 +0100
> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> >On Wed, 26 May 2021 15:12:52 +0000 (UTC),
> >MrSpook_mb@b532sojt5noz0i6.net wrote:
> >
> >>On Wed, 26 May 2021 11:31:04 +0100
> >>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>On Wed, 26 May 2021 09:38:57 +0000 (UTC), MrSpook_mmox@e70b.gov wrote:
> >>>>Well bully for you. I have to switch the TV on first with mine otherwise
> >>>>I get no sound if I start it after the box has started up. Other "fun"
> >>>>bugs include it not seeing the hard disk 1 in 4 times its starts up which
> >>>>requires a hard reset of pulling the plug out and losing all the scheduled
> >>>>recordings when you do an auto rescan.
> >>>
> >>>Could it be a problem with your TV? Have you sought advice from
> >>>Humax?
> >>
> >>Nothing wrong with the TV, 2 other devices have no issue with it. Humax kit
> >>is just full of bugs. A previous one we had had another set of issues but
> >>stupidly I went and bought a 2nd humax thinking they must have improved their
> >
> >>reliability. I won't be making that mistake again.
> >
> >Any actual evidence it is 'full of bugs'? It seems unlikely they
> >built you a special model.
>
> What do you want, a video of it not working? Don't imply I'm a liar just
> because you're some Humax fanboy.
>
I find that the whole set-up is poorly debugged. We have a Humax box,
an Onkyo media centre and an LG television. It works moderately well
most of the time *but* the Humax probably crashes once every couple of
days (not mid recording, just when you're pessing buttons to do things,
etc,) and the inter-system connections don't always start when they
should, just power cycle everything and it *usually* recovers.

--
Chris Green
·

On 27/05/2021 09:50, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Wed, 26 May 2021 15:29:07 +0000 (UTC), MrSpook_smnacr@5mt66f5.biz
> wrote:
>
>> On 26 May 2021 15:08:48 GMT
>> Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> <MrSpook_mmox@e70b.gov> wrote:
>>>> Well bully for you. I have to switch the TV on first with mine otherwise
>>>> I get no sound if I start it after the box has started up. Other "fun"
>>>> bugs include it not seeing the hard disk 1 in 4 times its starts up which
>>>> requires a hard reset of pulling the plug out and losing all the scheduled
>>>> recordings when you do an auto rescan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> How old is your Humax? When did you last change the hard drive? They don’t
>>
>> 6 or 7 years. As for hard drives, its not a hardware problem, its definately
>> software plus I've got some drives from 1999 that are still going in an
>> old box I use as a file server.
>
> Get yourself a Panasonic. My present one has outlasted three remote
> controls (which you can buy separately when you wear them out) without
> any problems. They used to do one that also included a Blu-Ray player
> if you wanted everything in one box; maybe they still do.

My Panasonic PVR is now seven years old and works well (I replaced the
remote control a couple of years ago). It replaced an Echostar and then
a Humax YouView, both of which would not boot, and didn't last a year.

Another model not mentioned much, but which seems to get tolerably
reasonable reviews is the Manhattan T3-R. It seems to have some odd
things missing, such as slow-mo during replay, but otherwise has decent
features. One thing to watch out for with the new PVR models of
established manufacturers such as Panasonic and Humax is, that despite a
seemingly increased model number, they often have *fewer* features than
a current or older lower-numbered model. It really is worth reading all
the specs and any review comments carefully. You wouldn't expect
Manhattan to put "no slow-motion" in their specs, even though those
using Panasonic of Humax PVRs would not expect to discover it wasn't
there as they'd been used to having it for years.

I can't, however, expect PVRs to be around much longer as they are seen
to be "old-tech", and most now stream what they want to on-demand. I'll
keep mine going, though, for as long as it works, as on some streamed
stuff you can't FF through the ads!

--

Jeff

On Thu, 27 May 2021 10:52:13 +0100
Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>established manufacturers such as Panasonic and Humax is, that despite a
>seemingly increased model number, they often have *fewer* features than

Picture in picture - so you could watch one channel (or a video) and have
another channel in a box in the corner of the screen - was a feature of
our original Humax but not in the later one and AFAIK (from playing around
with friends and familys devices) not a feature anywhere else either. PIty
because it was very useful.

>I can't, however, expect PVRs to be around much longer as they are seen
>to be "old-tech", and most now stream what they want to on-demand. I'll
>keep mine going, though, for as long as it works, as on some streamed
>stuff you can't FF through the ads!

IMO TV manufacturers are missing a trick by not putting an SSD into their
TV sets with recording functionality, there's more than enough room. They put
in all the "smart" shit almost no one wants or uses but not basic stuff like
this.

MrSpook_mb@b532sojt5noz0i6.net wrote:
> Nothing wrong with the TV, 2 other devices have no issue with it.
> Humax kit is just full of bugs.

My newer Humax box (HDR1100S) certainly seems less satisfactory
than the older one (a FOXSAT) - the user interface is shinier,
but it is in many ways less capable; also we get occasional
lockups (but < 1/month). We only replaced because iplayer no longer
worked on the old one (everything else was fine).

What models of Humax do you have?

#Paul

On Thu, 27 May 2021 10:13:50 +0100
Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
>MrSpook_M4_pq2q@i_gza3z9e80.tv wrote:
>> What do you want, a video of it not working? Don't imply I'm a liar just
>> because you're some Humax fanboy.
>>
>I find that the whole set-up is poorly debugged. We have a Humax box,
>an Onkyo media centre and an LG television. It works moderately well
>most of the time *but* the Humax probably crashes once every couple of
>days (not mid recording, just when you're pessing buttons to do things,
>etc,) and the inter-system connections don't always start when they
>should, just power cycle everything and it *usually* recovers.

Sounds about right!

Its quite clear that Humax and many other manufacturers raced to get these
things out of the door and testing was limited, or probably non existent
and they simply relied on the programmers attesting to it working.

<MrSpook_8xvep8iys@el3iu.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 May 2021 10:52:13 +0100
> Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> established manufacturers such as Panasonic and Humax is, that despite a
>> seemingly increased model number, they often have *fewer* features than
>
> Picture in picture - so you could watch one channel (or a video) and have
> another channel in a box in the corner of the screen - was a feature of
> our original Humax but not in the later one and AFAIK (from playing around
> with friends and familys devices) not a feature anywhere else either. PIty
> because it was very useful.
>
>> I can't, however, expect PVRs to be around much longer as they are seen
>> to be "old-tech", and most now stream what they want to on-demand. I'll
>> keep mine going, though, for as long as it works, as on some streamed
>> stuff you can't FF through the ads!
>
> IMO TV manufacturers are missing a trick by not putting an SSD into their
> TV sets with recording functionality, there's more than enough room. They put
> in all the "smart" shit almost no one wants or uses but not basic stuff like
> this.
>
>

It would push the price of the TV beyond levels that the bulk of the market
would stand. 1 Tb SSDs aren’t that cheap yet.

On Thu, 27 May 2021 09:01:59 +0100
news20k.noreply@threeformcow.myzen.co.uk (#Paul) wrote:
>MrSpook_mb@b532sojt5noz0i6.net wrote:
>> Nothing wrong with the TV, 2 other devices have no issue with it.
>> Humax kit is just full of bugs.
>
>My newer Humax box (HDR1100S) certainly seems less satisfactory
>than the older one (a FOXSAT) - the user interface is shinier,
>but it is in many ways less capable; also we get occasional
>lockups (but < 1/month). We only replaced because iplayer no longer
>worked on the old one (everything else was fine).
>
>What models of Humax do you have?

Ones an HDR 2000 , the other I'd have to dig out the loft but its about
12 years old and SD only obv.

On Thu, 27 May 2021 08:09:37 +0000 (UTC),
MrSpook_M4_pq2q@i_gza3z9e80.tv wrote:

>On Wed, 26 May 2021 21:30:39 +0100
>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>On Wed, 26 May 2021 15:12:52 +0000 (UTC),
>>MrSpook_mb@b532sojt5noz0i6.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 26 May 2021 11:31:04 +0100
>>>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 26 May 2021 09:38:57 +0000 (UTC), MrSpook_mmox@e70b.gov wrote:
>>>>>Well bully for you. I have to switch the TV on first with mine otherwise
>>>>>I get no sound if I start it after the box has started up. Other "fun"
>>>>>bugs include it not seeing the hard disk 1 in 4 times its starts up which
>>>>>requires a hard reset of pulling the plug out and losing all the scheduled
>>>>>recordings when you do an auto rescan.
>>>>
>>>>Could it be a problem with your TV? Have you sought advice from
>>>>Humax?
>>>
>>>Nothing wrong with the TV, 2 other devices have no issue with it. Humax kit
>>>is just full of bugs. A previous one we had had another set of issues but
>>>stupidly I went and bought a 2nd humax thinking they must have improved their
>>
>>>reliability. I won't be making that mistake again.
>>
>>Any actual evidence it is 'full of bugs'? It seems unlikely they
>>built you a special model.
>
>What do you want, a video of it not working? Don't imply I'm a liar just
>because you're some Humax fanboy.

Not working does not prove it is 'full of bugs'. Do you have any
actual evidence?

On Thu, 27 May 2021 10:35:41 -0000 (UTC)
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
><MrSpook_8xvep8iys@el3iu.org> wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 May 2021 10:52:13 +0100
>> Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> established manufacturers such as Panasonic and Humax is, that despite a
>>> seemingly increased model number, they often have *fewer* features than
>>
>> Picture in picture - so you could watch one channel (or a video) and have
>> another channel in a box in the corner of the screen - was a feature of
>> our original Humax but not in the later one and AFAIK (from playing around
>> with friends and familys devices) not a feature anywhere else either. PIty
>> because it was very useful.
>>
>>> I can't, however, expect PVRs to be around much longer as they are seen
>>> to be "old-tech", and most now stream what they want to on-demand. I'll
>>> keep mine going, though, for as long as it works, as on some streamed
>>> stuff you can't FF through the ads!
>>
>> IMO TV manufacturers are missing a trick by not putting an SSD into their
>> TV sets with recording functionality, there's more than enough room. They
>put
>> in all the "smart" shit almost no one wants or uses but not basic stuff like
>
>> this.
>>
>>
>
>It would push the price of the TV beyond levels that the bulk of the market
>would stand. 1 Tb SSDs aren’t that cheap yet.

Someone would buy them. After all, some people seems quite willing to pay
thousands for a debatable increase in picture quality from 4K.

On Thu, 27 May 2021 12:04:28 +0100
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>On Thu, 27 May 2021 08:09:37 +0000 (UTC),
>MrSpook_M4_pq2q@i_gza3z9e80.tv wrote:
>>What do you want, a video of it not working? Don't imply I'm a liar just
>>because you're some Humax fanboy.
>
>Not working does not prove it is 'full of bugs'. Do you have any
>actual evidence?

Go troll someone else arsehole.

On Thu, 27 May 2021 11:08:40 +0000 (UTC), MrSpook_h_@pmk0if89lodl.info
wrote:

>On Thu, 27 May 2021 12:04:28 +0100
>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>On Thu, 27 May 2021 08:09:37 +0000 (UTC),
>>MrSpook_M4_pq2q@i_gza3z9e80.tv wrote:
>>>What do you want, a video of it not working? Don't imply I'm a liar just
>>>because you're some Humax fanboy.
>>
>>Not working does not prove it is 'full of bugs'. Do you have any
>>actual evidence?
>
>Go troll someone else arsehole.

I congratulate you on your erudition and will follow your advice as
you have obviously formed an opinion which you are not prepared to
discuss in a discussion group.

On 27/05/2021 11:28, MrSpook_8xvep8iys@el3iu.org wrote:
> On Thu, 27 May 2021 10:52:13 +0100
> Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> established manufacturers such as Panasonic and Humax is, that despite a
>> seemingly increased model number, they often have *fewer* features than
>
> Picture in picture - so you could watch one channel (or a video) and have
> another channel in a box in the corner of the screen - was a feature of
> our original Humax but not in the later one and AFAIK (from playing around
> with friends and familys devices) not a feature anywhere else either. PIty
> because it was very useful.

Agreed. It was on my old Humax 9200T. The Panasonic doesn't have it.

>> I can't, however, expect PVRs to be around much longer as they are seen
>> to be "old-tech", and most now stream what they want to on-demand. I'll
>> keep mine going, though, for as long as it works, as on some streamed
>> stuff you can't FF through the ads!
>
> IMO TV manufacturers are missing a trick by not putting an SSD into their
> TV sets with recording functionality, there's more than enough room. They put
> in all the "smart" shit almost no one wants or uses but not basic stuff like
> this.

It would be useful, but they'd also have to put a second tuner in. My
Panasonic TV can record via USB to an external disk/stick, but only what
you are watching or any programme if you aren't actually watching TV at
the time. I'd prefer it to a lot of the online stuff I don't use (an
aside. Are there any recording devices - other than computers - which
can record streamed video? I've often wondered why this seems to be
beyond the reach of internet-connected PVRs).

--

Jeff