I also have a (non) progress bar chasing itself in a slot benath the
screen on yhe right.

How can I find out wottitis and if desired, kill it?

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 13:44:52 +0100, RustyHinge
<rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:

>I also have a (non) progress bar chasing itself in a slot benath the
>screen on yhe right.
>
>How can I find out wottitis and if desired, kill it?

Shut 'er down and re-start ?

If you're running Windows - it wil prompt you
about any programs that are still active/running
before it shuts down - take note.
John T.

In article <ipf7cidr25g22k4uum68mvdvkgr26orius@4ax.com>,
hubops@ccanoemail.com on Fri, 28 Jul 2023 at 09:16:56 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
>On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 13:44:52 +0100, RustyHinge
><rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>I also have a (non) progress bar chasing itself in a slot benath the
>>screen on yhe right.
>>
>>How can I find out wottitis and if desired, kill it?
>
>
> Shut 'er down and re-start ?
>
>If you're running Windows - it wil prompt you
>about any programs that are still active/running
>before it shuts down - take note.
> John T.
The Windows Task Manager may help, particularly if a task is taking
large amounts of resources CPU, Disc Activity or Web.
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On 28/07/2023 14:28, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <ipf7cidr25g22k4uum68mvdvkgr26orius@4ax.com>,
> hubops@ccanoemail.com on Fri, 28 Jul 2023 at 09:16:56 awoke Nicholas
> from his slumbers and wrote
>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 13:44:52 +0100, RustyHinge
>> <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I also have a (non) progress bar chasing itself in a slot benath the
>>> screen on yhe right.
>>>
>>> How can I find out wottitis and if desired, kill it?
>>
>>
>> Shut 'er down and re-start ?
>>
>> If you're running Windows - it wil prompt you
>> about any programs that are still active/running
>> before it shuts down - take note.
>> John T.
> The Windows Task Manager may help, particularly if a task is taking
> large amounts of resources CPU, Disc Activity or Web.
>
It won't help our squeaky friend, his 'pooter is penguinised.

The equivalent to task Manager is called top.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

In article <kihv57Fq69oU1@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
<johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> on Fri, 28 Jul 2023 at 14:46:13 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On 28/07/2023 14:28, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> In article <ipf7cidr25g22k4uum68mvdvkgr26orius@4ax.com>,
>> hubops@ccanoemail.com on Fri, 28 Jul 2023 at 09:16:56 awoke Nicholas
>> from his slumbers and wrote
>>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 13:44:52 +0100, RustyHinge
>>> <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I also have a (non) progress bar chasing itself in a slot benath the
>>>> screen on yhe right.
>>>>
>>>> How can I find out wottitis and if desired, kill it?
>>>
>>>
>>> Shut 'er down and re-start ?
>>>
>>> If you're running Windows - it wil prompt you
>>> about any programs that are still active/running
>>> before it shuts down - take note.
>>> John T.
>> The Windows Task Manager may help, particularly if a task is taking
>> large amounts of resources CPU, Disc Activity or Web.
>>
>It won't help our squeaky friend, his 'pooter is penguinised.
>
>The equivalent to task Manager is called top.
>
That will teach me to look at the headers more often.

:(
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On 28/07/2023 14:54, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> That will teach me to look at the headers more often.

>
I didn't have to, he mentions it just about every time he has a promble.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 28/07/2023 14:46, John Williamson wrote:
> On 28/07/2023 14:28, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> In article <ipf7cidr25g22k4uum68mvdvkgr26orius@4ax.com>,
>> hubops@ccanoemail.com  on Fri, 28 Jul 2023 at 09:16:56 awoke Nicholas
>> from his slumbers and wrote
>>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 13:44:52 +0100, RustyHinge
>>> <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I also have a (non) progress bar chasing itself in a slot benath the
>>>> screen on yhe right.
>>>>
>>>> How can I find out wottitis and if desired, kill it?
>>>
>>>
>>>  Shut  'er  down and   re-start  ?
>>>
>>> If you're running Windows  -  it wil prompt you
>>> about any  programs that are still active/running
>>> before it shuts down - take note.
>>>    John T.
>> The Windows Task Manager may help, particularly if a task is taking
>> large amounts of resources CPU, Disc Activity or Web.
>>
> It won't help our squeaky friend, his 'pooter is penguinised.
>
> The equivalent to task Manager is called top.
>
Ta. Didn't know that.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 28/07/2023 15:03, John Williamson wrote:
> On 28/07/2023 14:54, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> That will teach  me to look at the headers more often.
>
>>
> I didn't have to, he mentions it just about every time he has a promble.
>
It's only recently I've been getting them: prolly my failing eyesight or
something. Or just getting old and creaky.

Note to self:- hfr the terminal more often.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

RustyHinge wrote:

> John Williamson wrote:
>
>> It won't help our squeaky friend, his 'pooter is penguinised.
>> The equivalent to task Manager is called top.
>
> Ta. Didn't know that.

htop is betterer, also dstat

you might not find they're installed by default.

Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
> RustyHinge wrote:
>
>> John Williamson wrote:
>>
>>> It won't help our squeaky friend, his 'pooter is penguinised.
>>> The equivalent to task Manager is called top.
>>
>> Ta. Didn't know that.
>
> htop is betterer, also dstat

And this is why more folk don’t dabble with Linux. You’re speaking in
tongues…

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

On 29/07/2023 18:12, Tim+ wrote:
> Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
>> RustyHinge wrote:
>>
>>> John Williamson wrote:
>>>
>>>> It won't help our squeaky friend, his 'pooter is penguinised.
>>>> The equivalent to task Manager is called top.
>>>
>>> Ta. Didn't know that.
>>
>> htop is betterer, also dstat
>
> And this is why more folk don’t dabble with Linux. You’re speaking in
> tongues…
>
Are there still three types of personal computer users?

The fruity ones have systems that "just work", but you do it their way
or not at all.

The glassy ones have computers that mostly work, and if they go wrong,
you can usually dig deep enough to sort the problem out with a few mouse
clicks. You can, though, do the job *your* way and the command line is
still there from the days when Windoze was a layer on top of DOS.

The feathered ones have all the command line shortcuts and flags
memorised, and spend a lot of time working out why typing Top or ToP
doesn't do the same job as typing top. Admitted, if you are running a FO
great database, or a multi user, real time swerver, this is the best way
to run stuff.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 29/07/2023 19:00, John Williamson wrote:
> On 29/07/2023 18:12, Tim+ wrote:
>> Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
>>> RustyHinge wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Williamson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It won't help our squeaky friend, his 'pooter is penguinised.
>>>>> The equivalent to task Manager is called top.
>>>>
>>>> Ta. Didn't know that.
>>>
>>> htop is betterer, also dstat
>>
>> And this is why more folk don’t dabble with Linux.  You’re speaking in
>> tongues…
>>
> Are there still three types of personal computer users?
>
> The fruity ones have systems that "just work", but you do it their way
> or not at all.
>
> The glassy ones have computers that mostly work, and if they go wrong,
> you can usually dig deep enough to sort the problem out with a few mouse
> clicks. You can, though, do the job *your* way and the command line is
> still there from the days when Windoze was a layer on top of DOS.
>
> The feathered ones have all the command line shortcuts and flags
> memorised, and spend a lot of time working out why typing Top or ToP
> doesn't do the same job as typing top. Admitted, if you are running a FO
> great database, or a multi user, real time swerver, this is the best way
> to run stuff.
>
I've been running Linux exclusively now since the turn of the cntury and
it's suited nicely, but recently, having moved to a 64-bit distro and
having neglected command-line fiddling on a terminal (mostly), but I do
resort to it from time to time. You're quite right: if you use the right
case, and command, it just works. sudo shutdown -h now oops!

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> writes:

> Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
>
>> htop is betterer, also dstat
>
> And this is why more folk don't dabble with Linux. You're speaking in
> tongues.

The command line is like language.

The GUI, especially touch-screen GUI, is like shopping.

You have to learn a language; it's an ongoing process. [1]

Shopping entails no such effort but is subject to untoward surprises
and instant buyers's (clicker's, toucher's) remorse.

[1] I've been penguinating for many fortnights and only now/here
learned of htop.

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 19:00:22 +0100
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

> The feathered ones have all the command line shortcuts and flags
> memorised, and spend a lot of time working out why typing Top or ToP
> doesn't do the same job as typing top. Admitted, if you are running a FO
> great database, or a multi user, real time swerver, this is the best way
> to run stuff.

Then there are the daemonic ones who wonder why the feathered ones
keep changing things that don't need to be changed (ipconfig, systemd ...)
instead of simply enhancing the commands we've been using for a couple of
kilofortnights. We also wonder why the feathered ones make such a fuss
about upgrading and why the penguins have no concept of a core OS.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On 29 Jul 2023 17:12:52 GMT, Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
>> RustyHinge wrote:
>>
>>> John Williamson wrote:
>>>
>>
>> htop is betterer, also dstat
>
> And this is why more folk don’t dabble with Linux. You’re speaking in
> tongues…

Tongues? Do you mean the jargon of Billyware or the
jargon of Unix/Linux?

The Internet was built on and runs on Unix and Linux,
not Microsoft. Apple OS is built on Unix as is the OS for every
smartphone be it an iPhone, Android or Harmony. The AT&T
landline telephone switches ran Unix.

You want a reliable, wide OS? Try Linux, not an OS that
gives you BSOD (Blue Screen Of Death).

--
Then it told me to reboot my machine. Why should I do that? I
reboot every night -- why should I reboot at that time? - Bill
Gates, Jan 15 2003

On 29 Jul 2023 17:09:30 -0300, Mike Spencer
<mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>
> The command line is like language.
>
> The GUI, especially touch-screen GUI, is like shopping.

Shopping for off the peg stuff.
>
> You have to learn a language; it's an ongoing process. [1]

Like most languages, the bigger your vocabulary the
better.

>
> Shopping entails no such effort but is subject to untoward surprises
> and instant buyers's (clicker's, toucher's) remorse.

There is so mcuh you can do with a language, you just
need the vocabulary which is why that language is everywhere. A
language first written in the 1970s that uses the vocabulary
suited to slow printer terminals.

>
>
>
> [1] I've been penguinating for many fortnights and only now/here
> learned of htop.

It's neat and there are so many utilities that tell you
what's going on. Plus of course full logging in mostly English.

$ uptime
07:50:22 up 139 days, 6:24, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

--
The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining
armour to lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos
neatly ignores the fact that it was he, by peddling second rate
technology, led them into it in the first place, and continues to
do so today. - Douglas Adams, Guardian 1995

On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 07:34:53 -0000 (UTC)
Julian Macassey <julian@n6are.com> wrote:

> You want a reliable, wide OS? Try Linux,

Then when it's not reliable or consistent enough for you switch to
a BSD - a little before I left Yahoo! I shut down some FreeBSD servers that
had been running the back end of the EU billing system for the last seven
years without a reboot.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 07:52:31 -0000 (UTC)
Julian Macassey <julian@n6are.com> wrote:

> There is so mcuh you can do with a language, you just
> need the vocabulary which is why that language is everywhere. A
> language first written in the 1970s that uses the vocabulary
> suited to slow printer terminals.

That language has grown rather than altered (at least in BSDs) so
that scripts written in the 1980s will still work today.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

Julian Macassey <julian@n6are.com> wrote:
> On 29 Jul 2023 17:12:52 GMT, Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
>>> RustyHinge wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Williamson wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> htop is betterer, also dstat
>>
>> And this is why more folk don’t dabble with Linux. You’re speaking in
>> tongues…
>
> Tongues? Do you mean the jargon of Billyware or the
> jargon of Unix/Linux?
>
> The Internet was built on and runs on Unix and Linux,
> not Microsoft. Apple OS is built on Unix as is the OS for every
> smartphone be it an iPhone, Android or Harmony. The AT&T
> landline telephone switches ran Unix.
>
> You want a reliable, wide OS? Try Linux, not an OS that
> gives you BSOD (Blue Screen Of Death).
>

99.99% of the time I never touch a PC these days. Do everything with
Android phone or iPad. I don’t need to learn to speak in tongues with
either of these.

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

On 2023-07-30, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 07:52:31 -0000 (UTC)
> Julian Macassey <julian@n6are.com> wrote:
>
>> There is so mcuh you can do with a language, you just
>> need the vocabulary which is why that language is everywhere. A
>> language first written in the 1970s that uses the vocabulary
>> suited to slow printer terminals.
>
> That language has grown rather than altered (at least in BSDs) so
> that scripts written in the 1980s will still work today.
>

I Miss `cal', which is no longer automatically on debian.

--
greymausg@mail.com
God Damn the Influencers

On 30 Jul 2023 09:03:58 GMT
greymaus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:

> I Miss `cal', which is no longer automatically on debian.

What this ?

✓ steve@steve ~ $ cal
July 2023
Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30 31

It's in the base system on FreeBSD as it has always been. There
would be howls of protest if it were to be removed.

On debian presumably apt-get cal will install it for you.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 12:54:18 +0100
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On 30 Jul 2023 09:03:58 GMT
> greymaus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:
>
> > I Miss `cal', which is no longer automatically on debian.
>
> What this ?
>
> ✓ steve@steve ~ $ cal
> July 2023
> Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
> 1
> 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
> 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
> 16 17 18 19 20 21 22
> 23 24 25 26 27 28 29
> 30 31
>
> It's in the base system on FreeBSD as it has always been. There
> would be howls of protest if it were to be removed.
>
> On debian presumably apt-get cal will install it for you.
>
I have something for DOS I picked up eons ago

C:\>cal

Jul 2023
Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
* 31
> --
> Steve O'Hara-Smith
> Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
> Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
> Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On 2023-07-30, Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 12:54:18 +0100
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> On 30 Jul 2023 09:03:58 GMT
>> greymaus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:
>>
>> > I Miss `cal', which is no longer automatically on debian.
>>
>> What this ?
>>
>> ✓ steve@steve ~ $ cal
>> July 2023
>> Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
>> 1
>> 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
>> 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
>> 16 17 18 19 20 21 22
>> 23 24 25 26 27 28 29
>> 30 31
>>
>> It's in the base system on FreeBSD as it has always been. There
>> would be howls of protest if it were to be removed.
>>
>> On debian presumably apt-get cal will install it for you.
>>
> I have something for DOS I picked up eons ago
>
> C:\>cal
>
> Jul 2023
> Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
> 1
> 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
> 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
> 16 17 18 19 20 21 22
> 23 24 25 26 27 28 29
> * 31
>> --
>> Steve O'Hara-Smith
>> Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
>> Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
>> Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency
>
>
thats part of the whole problem, you are typing something, and suddenly
want to check on a date. type `cal' on the command line, and you have
your data. otherwise, under a `clicky' OS, you have to take your hand
off the keyboard, click on some ikon and return to keyboard. Too much
trouble. And no, just checked on latest Debian, no `cal'. Bummer, and on
All-Ireland Sunday, too much trouble to bother. Now 14.40 and kickoff at
15.30. A wet sunday on the Reek as well.

Someone suggest something on youtube?
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God Damn the Influencers

Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> that language has grown rather than altered (at least in BSDs) so that
> scripts written in the 1980s will still work today.

haven't noticed anything changing in ifconfig, netstat, arp etc that
would b0rk existing scripts, but the ip command brings lots of notjbex
related info/configuration under one hat ...

On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 09:07:04 +0100
Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:

> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>
> > that language has grown rather than altered (at least in BSDs) so that
> > scripts written in the 1980s will still work today.
>
> haven't noticed anything changing in ifconfig, netstat, arp etc that
> would b0rk existing scripts, but the ip command brings lots of notjbex
> related info/configuration under one hat ...

Provided they're installed yes - but sometimes they're not
installed in favour of the newer replacements. The BSDs have gone the way
of extending things like ifconfig instead of adding new commands like
ipconfig and ip.

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency